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Why I Ain't Buying A Mac

gphat writes "An article at Rush Magazine details why the author isn't buying a Mac. This is in response to Apple wanting our input last week."

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  1. Apple's Market by Jess · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem is that this guy is not in Apple's market. Apple is not going after people who want to tinker around with hardware and buy componets that have 0.1% markup. They want to sell to computer *users* like schools, small businesses, and the typical home user (like your mother). With that said, I do have to agree with the price issue that he raised. In the end, most people will probably choose a lower price over a cooler computer (iMac, for example). Apple needs a value line that competes with the $800 PC's.

    1. Re:Apple's Market by jasonwileymac.com · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "In the end, most people will probably choose a lower price over a cooler computer" By that logic, everyone would drive Geo Metros. I think most comsumers just don't realizes that they have a choice.

  2. So why is this "news"? by Lars+T. · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There is absolutely nothing in that article that hasn't been said already. Even the G4 ATX style motherboard isn't a new idea - infact they are being sold (but can't run OS X).

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  3. Re:Why *I* am not buying a Mac by IpalindromeI · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If Macs were the equivalent of a high-level language, while PCs were the equivalent of assembly, why don't Macs have the equivalent market/mindshare that high-level languages enjoy over assembly? A better analogy might be that you can do everything with Cadillac that you can with a BMW. You can enjoy a nice, luxurious driving experience, while the BMW is basically just flashier and more expensive.

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  4. Some problems here... by gfilion · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The author says PowerMac G4 933MHz with a 60Gb hard drive, 256Mb of RAM, and a Super Drive (that's DVD and CD-RW people!). This is going to run me $2,299.00. At Dell's website (Dude, yer getting' a Dell) I can get a 1.8GHz Dimension with an 80Gb drive for $1,497.00. That's $800 dollars less for the same functionality, more hard drive space, twice the clock speed (I won't get into CPU architecture), and your required contribution to the Microsoft Empire in the form of Windows XP and Microsoft Works.

    First, the superdrive is a DVD-R and CD-RW, it burns DVDs and CDs. The Dell doesn't have that, and guess what, it costs about 800$ to get one. The assembled-with-the-cheapest-possible-parts-PC doesn't have a warrantee, so it's not a fair comparaison.

    Also, his whole argument about weither more MHz is better is quite stange. At first he says that only Joe Sixpack thinks that, and people who know computer architecture relalise that the MHz are only a part of a computer speed. Two lines later, he says that the Mac is slower because it has a lower frequency.

    Let me tell you something, if you ever have two computers that have the same performances (time to do a task), always take the one with the lower frequency, you'll have a more stable system, it will produce less heat, etc.

    Overall, it was a pretty crappy article...
    GFK's

  5. He just doesn't get it by Dokushoka · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Macs are for people who want to do stuff with their computer, not do stuff to their computer.

  6. Apple needs depth in their product line by elliotj · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm saving up to buy a Mac at the moment. If I was buying a PC I would have done so already, but the Mac I'd be happy with is more expensive than the PC I'd be happy with.

    This is an interesting distinction, and ultimately the source of my current predicament. My problem has long been that Apple's product line is too shallow and not diverse enough.

    The iMac is fine, but I suspect I will want to upgrade my video card at least once over the life of my machine. Why? Because I like games. The Mac itself will last for several years but I know with the pace of game development that I'll want a new video card before the system really needs any other upgrade.

    That puts me in the Powermac range, which is very pricey. I really don't want to pay for all the other bells and whistles that come with the Powermacs, like Gigabit Ethernet and a Superdrive, but I don't have a lot of choice once I get into that category. I won't even get into the financial problem of wanting a Apple display.

    I just wish Apple would sell a mid range tower. That's all. But I don't presume to know the economics of their market better than they do, so there must be a reason why. Perhaps they like forcing me for save up.

    1. Re:Apple needs depth in their product line by pi+radians · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Honestly buddy, if you want to play games, get a PC or better still a PS2. I am a hardcore Mac user, the last thing I'll ever do I toss down money for a PC (luckily the college my Mom works for loves to throw out PCs all the time), but I would never suggest that someone gets a Mac for gaming purposes. It will only aggravate you with it's year old, shoddy ports and non-existent library.

      I really encourage you to save up and get a Mac (you won't regret it), but make sure you have something else to play games on.

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  7. From an Ex-PCer by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I use to be a Big PC guy who loved getting new hardware and upgrading my PC every couple months to keep it up to date. But after a while I just got really expensive, Even with using Linux as your only OS. So I started to let my computer fall behind the times for a while and save up my money and I got myself a Sun Ultra 10. And I felt that is was a much easier to work with the Sun then with a Linux box. Although installing some programes were a bit more difficult (Had to do the make stuff). But I never had issues with the harware no unexpected crashes from hardware, it just worked after over a year it still works perfectly. And the only thing that I really should upgrade on it is the Ram. But that is only for a speed increase not because apps require more. I can probably get at least 3 more years out of the Sun Systems sience Solaris is pritty good on working on older hardware, I can get a long life out of all the equiptment More then a PC. So now I needed a laptop so after looking around I found the PowerBook G4 to be the best bang for the buck. 1 Gig of Ram 40, Gig HD, GigaBit Eathernet, Wireless Eathernet, Larger Crisp screen. USB, Firewire. It had all the stuff I needed and I check for Dell and I couldnt build a Laptop to come have the same specs and still it became more expensive. And adding external components to it is a lot less of a hassle. And the OS works a lot more closely to the hardware then a PC ever did. The Apple saves me money because it saves me time. Doing it yourself is nice but that is if your time isn't worth to much money. For me I have to much to do and PC debuging takes way to much of my time. Why spend an Hour Debuging if you dont have to. Sun Workstation and Apple Computers have a higher operation time and a Lower TOC then PCs do. Even with a Free OS.

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  8. Apple == Volkswagon by leifw · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The best analogy I've seen for Apple's place in the computer industry is to that of Volkswagon's in the auto industry, especially VW's marketing of the new Bug. Volkwagon makes a cool looking product and then sell it with all services paid; your oil changes and other routine maintenance plus any unscheduled maintenance in the warranty period are part of the cost of the car. Of course this means the vehicle costs more, but plenty of people see it as worth while. This really appeals to people who just want a cool no-hastle vehicle.

    Apple sells their products similarly; the various Macs since the iMac have been cool looking, easy to use, no hastle computers. Part of buying a Mac is the cool iTunes, iMovie, iPhoto, ietc. software that automagically does everything you bought your new PC for, including uploading your stuff to your mac.com website.

    It's all about increasing coolness and decreasing hastle for both VW and Apple.

  9. Next please by sg3000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > I don't buy computers anymore; I buy components.
    Congratulations, pal, you're not in any of Apple's target market segments. Don't let the doorknob hit you on the way out.

    > I don't think Steve Jobs is concerned with Apple
    > making money -- excuse me, 'increasing
    > shareholder value'.

    I hate to say this, but this guy is a moron. Just because they're not interested in catering to the shade-tree PC builder doesn't mean they don't want to make money. In fact, Jobs clearly is interested in making Apple a profitable business. Along with Dell, Apple's one of two PC companies actually doing well during this recession. So claiming otherwise is just silly.

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  10. One Problem with this Article by piecewise · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Fortunately, I don't really care why someone else doesn't want to buy a Mac, and I don't care if they waste their time publishing an article about it.

    I care that I use one every day and I love it, and I wouldn't trade it in even for the newest, maxed out Dell.

    It's amazing how a company can have 90% customer loyalty -- but receive such awful press. Obviously PC users are missing something here. Brand loyalty and outstanding products aren't suppose to equal poor press and biased reporting. But hey, like I said, as a Mac owner I have the privelage of not needing to worry about it.

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  11. Troll by dasspunk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    More Apple FUD from the king of trolls...

  12. So it's all about the benjamins by Frobozz0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Let me save you from reading the article. His whole arguement is cost. Yes, we know they're more expensive. Next...

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  13. Re:Another idiot blowing his horn.... by EddydaSquige · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's so true. People get roped into demanding the biggest thing out there with no real need (think SUV's). Most average computer users (ie, prob no one who reads /.) would probably be just as happy with a two or three year old computer as they are with the latest and greatest. I still have an old p166 beating around that my girlfriend uses to check email, surf the web, a MS Word, and you know what, it does all of those things great. Can it do video or work on a 1gb Photoshop file, no, but it doesn't need to. That's why I bought a G4. That 4 year old p166 does all the stuff that it needs to do, and that's all the stuff that alot of people need a computer to do.