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Bad Review for the Zaurus

higginsx writes "Sharp's new Linux PDA, the Zaurus SL-5500, gets pretty bad marks from The Wall Street Journal's tech columist Walter Mossberg. He doesn't get much into the OS (other than complaining it wouldn't synch up with his laptop), but concludes that "it failed to do the simple things well. It has a high price, a complicated user interface, and hefty dimensions and weight. Even the cool-looking keyboard turns out to be clumsy to use."" I still really want to try one out since I don't expect I'll ever sync a Zaurus to Outlook.

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  1. Does it matter? by NerdSlayer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Does it really matter that it runs linux if it sucks as a PDA? It might have a Gee-Wiz cool factor, but if it sucks it sucks.

    1. Re:Does it matter? by MonkeyBoy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sure, I agree with what you're saying - in principle.

      But you have to take these things in the appropriate context.

      The issue is that Mossberg is well known in Mac circles for being a crotchety journalist who thinks computers mean WinTel. It's akin to pulling teeth to get him to admit that Macs had their purpose, which he has done on a few occasions (hey, he likes eye candy, tooth loss was inevitable).

      So just because Mossberg couldn't get it working or had a tough time with it, doesn't mean it definately sucks. It just means that he had trouble. Given the unit (Linux-based handheld), and his history (Intel/Microsoft cheerleader), the fact that he has trouble with it isn't exactly surprising. (I don't mean to push the conspiracy aspect, only the "this is different than what I'm used to" aspect)

      Nor should it be an outright condemnation of the unit, except maybe for sales forces who install/manage their own hardware. I only say that because one of our sales guys managed to disable his modem (and therefore his ability to send/receive email while on the road) after installing a Palm. A *Palm*.

      It's not so much the resolution of the hardware conflict, half the battle is getting them to admit that they changed something. (grumble)

      But that's a story for another day...

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  2. Re:Sl-5000D at JavaOne by dj28 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sharp doesn't make money off the techies that want to hack it though. If it's hard to use and doesn't work well for what it is designed to do (which is not to hack it), then Sharp will drop it like a bad habbit.

  3. WinCE / PocketPC sucked pretty bad too. by Bit_Pusher · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have a Zaurus and have owned WinCE devices in the past as well. For a first commercial release I think the Zaurus is well done. WinCE and PocketPC sucked pretty bad early in their lifetimes, so I think the Qt/Embedded will improve with age. It will probably also improve rather rapidly with the gaggle of open source developers that will add apps and enhancements on their own schedule compared to the 2-3 years that it took Microsoft to make PocketPC usable.

  4. reading this on my Zaurus now... by jmorse · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There are some valid criticisms there. I'm still using my Clie as a PDA, but the Zaurus is great and will only get better. The US Robotics Pilot sucked when it first came out, but it evolved into an essestial tool over time. I hope the Zaurus evolves that way too. I'd like to see a smaller form factor, better s reen res, metal cases, and a way to place the display on hold while playing music. The battery life needs to improve dramatically, especially when using a wireless card.

    That said, not many PDAs give you both CF and SD slots. Embedix/Qt is a great OS for the PDA, and I hope it grows and rivals Palm OS and Pocket PC.

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  5. Well... by DickPhallus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I still really want to try one out since I don't expect I'll ever sync a Zaurus to Outlook.

    Welcome to the minority. Just because we may not want to, some people will. So, one has to decide between marketing for a (possibly unprofitable) niche market or just making something that will work with any Windows laptop so people can carry their outlook address books around.

    I applaud Sharp for their work but if this thing is big and clunky, then they should go back to the drawing board.

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  6. Mossberg Reviews - Thorough and Fair by Punchinello · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As a long time WSJ subscriber (both online and in print), I can tell you that Walt Mossberg's reviews are always thorough and fair. As a technology consultant I'm lucky enough to get the oportunity to test many of the same products he reviews.

    This is another review where I think Walt is right on. The Zaurus SL-5500 is making the same mistake made by M$ with their PDA, mainly that the user interface is too complicated. The Palm OS is still the standard for simplicity as far as the GUI is concerned.

    I can't speak for the issue of Outlook sync. However, if it's advertised on the box and in the company press release, there should at least be some documentation on how to get it to work.

    I hope the word LINUX doesn't scare the average user away from using the product. I'm afraid that poor documentation will only make people fear it more.

    If the Linux community wants a broader acceptance of the platform then we have to stop with the attitude that something is good enough because a nerd can figure it out.

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  7. PDA Death Sentance by Gedvondur · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A review like that in the WSJ is almost a death sentance for a PDA.

    I know all you Linux users are geeked out by the fact that it runs Linux, but PDAs are about simplicity of use, and compatability. If this unit from Sharp (who, in my opinion has always been a third rate electronics manufacturer) is as big and as clumsy as the reviewer says it is, it has almost zero chance of adoption.

    This is a PalmOS and (God help us) WindowsCE market.

    Think about the corporate buyer. These guys are conservative. They don't want something not mainstream, and a PDA not running PalmOS or WINCE is NOT mainstream. Nobody wants to get crap from his CEO about the PDA choice. Guess what else, the CEO doesn't give a crap that it runs Linux. All he knows is that his other CEO buddies have WINCE and PalmOS PDAs and wants to know why his company isn't doing what everybody else is.

    This market simply doesn't and shouldn't care all that much about what OS the PDA is running. Its a big geek factor to run Linux, but was it really a good choice? Probably not.

    1. Re:PDA Death Sentance by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 3, Insightful
      This market simply doesn't and shouldn't care all that much about what OS the PDA is running. Its a big geek factor to run Linux, but was it really a good choice? Probably not.

      Depends on your point of view. From the customers point of view, it might not be. After all, they'll either like it or they won't, and they have a choice to whether to use it or not, same as with any OS (except windows on the desktop). However, look at the competition: Windows Pocket PC and PalmOS.

      Now the Palm is a mighty fine OS, but it seems to be losing all but the budget market to Microsoft. Palm itself meanwhile is looking shaky, the handspring PDAs didn't take off, and the Palm models are looking increasingly dated and limited.

      This could leave the PDA market in the unenviable position of also being dominated by Microsoft, simply through Pocket PC being better. Now whatever you may think of Sharp, and they do seem to have made some dumb mistakes here, they probably don't want to see MS dominate yet another marketplace as it tends to be bad for everybodies profit margins (other than Microsofts of course).

      So - they are taking a risk by using Embedix/Qt rather than Pocket PC. As a result, there will be a segment of the populace (reviewers will always be amongst them) who will look down on this decision. After all, where operating systems are concerned not going with the mainstream usually brings the disadvantage of

      a) being different and
      b) not having as many apps.

      However, Sharp is willing to take that risk because it knows that if one day PocketPC was the only viable OS for PDAs it'd be shafted, after all, whenever MS is in need of cash, well just turn the screws on the PDA makers. Why not?

      Look - understand one thing: for a long time yet reviewers will always prefer PocketPC/PalmOS over Linux on PDAs for exactly the same reason they poopoohed Windows CE when it first came out: lack of apps, slow, unpolished, first generation etc, what's the advantage over Palm and so on.

      Now Windows CE had the advantage when it came out of brand recognition: CEOs went, ooh, windows, we must have it, it's expensive but we'll have an integrated solution from one company. And MS refined the OS, the PocketPC of today is sooo much better than CE when it first came out. And there were no apps at first, but Windows developers found their skills were largely portable and so on.

      But you are forgetting that Linux on the PDA is in the same position. It also has brand recognition, for different reasons. Instead of going, ooh, it'll integrate with everything, CEOs might well go, oooh, it'll be cheap, reliable and we'll be free from MS tyranny. They balance out. And right now it needs polish, it's a first generation product - what do you expect? And it doesn't have many apps yet, but they'll be quickly ported, if anything it's easier to port apps for this than for WinCE. Yes - there might be a problem with the apps available being of the geek variety, but I have plenty of non-geek apps available, and at the end of the day it'll be a market motivated by demand.

      I'd be highly surprised if people who bought a Zaurus expected all their software to be free. Most won't care, and that means they'll be willing to pay for their software (which is good imho) and that means it won't be long until people figure out they can make a bit on the site porting their Linux apps or writing new apps for Embedix/Qt and selling them. I know I'd be thinking about it if I could afford a Zaurus ;) I don't see any intrinsic reason why Linux PDAs should fail.... they can easily compete with PocketPC, the only problem right now is that PocketPC has a head start. But then that was true of Palm wasn't it?

  8. Re:I don't expect I'll ever sync a Zaurus to Outlo by gazbo · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Its amazing what some people do with things that they are not designed for.
    No, it's amazing that the manufacturers of a PDA didn't allow for syncing to one of the (maybe the) most popular contacts/appointments management tools in use.

    I guess you intimated that with your second statement, I'm just saying that it was never a misuse by the user, just a lacking feature from the manufacturer. If users want to sync to Outlook, then 'but it's Linux!' should be met by the valid argument 'Then don't use Linux!'

    I realise that Linux as an OS does not prevent the syncing, and that a bridge could be written, but you get my point.

  9. Sad But True... by BadmanX · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Mossberg's right on with most of his points. There is an accepted feature set that PDAs must provide or they just aren't useful to the average user. And one of those features is syncing to Outlook.

    His second point is that by using a completely new operating system, they lock out users from the thousands of existing Palm and Windows CE programs. Once again, we have the "no apps for it, so nobody buys it, so nobody programs apps for it" circle.

    Palm managed to overcome that by providing most of the useful features (like syncing with Outlook) out of the box...and with the sheer coolness factor of owning a PDA.

    Microsoft overcame that simply by taking the loss necessary to keep their handhelds on the market until their market share got bigger. And by adding features to Windows CE devices that Palm didn't want to, like media players.

    Sharp didn't serve its customers well by putting Linux on this device.

  10. Re:"Worship" by cuijian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We're not doing Zaurus and favors by dismissing Mossberg's comments as ignorant bunk. Mossberg is very well regarded and, more importantly, influences a huge section of Zaurus' intended market segment. From what I've seen, behind articles that have been dumbed-down to the technical level of the average WSJ reader is a journalist that really understands his stuff.

    This is a first iteration product and if it only manages to appeal to the folks here on /. we might not get to see it in an improved second iteration. Let's drop the assumption that Linux products can do no bad, start accepting constructive criticism and focus on making products, software, etc. that will force praise for Linux and our community from even the most skeptical.

  11. Re:Not sure what that guys problem is by rcs1000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Anyone capable of getting Perl working on their PDA is probably quite technologically aware.

    Perhaps the Geek Gods should be a little less condecending to us mere mortals.

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  12. Not a very competent tech writer IMHO by mckeowbc · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm somehow disappointed in the Wall Street journal for making this man a Tech columnist. I understand that most people aren't tech savy and that news usually is for the masses. However for a tech writer to talk about Linux by calling it, "the renegade operating system that many techies worship.", is beyone my comprehension. In this day and age Linux is no more renegade than any other OS. Linux is increasingly becoming the OS behind big businesses, and especially the web. With companies like IBM, and Sun backing it, and with companies like Amazon and Merrill Lynch using it, to call it renegade only illustrates how ignorant he is. If you don't like Sharp's PDA fine, but don't knock an OS because you didn't like one experience with it.

  13. A couple problems with this by FallLine · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Firstly, POSE and XPilot require a Palm ROM to operate. Because Palm would be none too eager to provide the competition with their ROMs, Sharp or its users would have to do it illegally.

    Secondly, it doesn't allow the user to run their conduits, so many of these applications would be crippled at best.

    Thirdly, the emulators are not perfect from an emulation point of view and also generally have problems from an interface stand point.

  14. Linux PDA's suck--they're not blocks of wood by Ilan+Volow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The inventor of the Palm, Jeff Hawkins, didn't design the hardware and then the system software and then say "now that I'm done with everything else, I'll come up with a way the user should interact with the device". He started the palm project by fashioning a block of wood in a rough Palm-shape and carrying it around with him and thinking about how the user would interact with it in the real world. Only after he came up with the interaction model did they really proceed to design the Palm hardware and the Palm UI.

    Any real UI designer is going to tell you that you must always design the interface and work out the user interaction before a single line of code is ever written. The same goes with a PDA, and then you have to add "before you ever design the hardware" to that provision.

    One must also consider that PDA's and desktops PC's have an entirely different set of design constraints for their interfaces. One constraint is size: A type of widget that is perfectly clickable with a mouse at its 40x40 pixel desktop PC size is a target that is nearly impossible to hit at a 5x5 with a stylus and should not be used on a handheld just because it is familiar to someone who has used a desktop pc. Another PDA design constraint is time: people using PC's accept badly designed interfaces because they plan half a day around kludging their way through their task. People accept that computers are awkward and slow to use, and are able to plan they way around it. People using PDA's often don't have the luxury to plan when they're going to use their technology. They might have 20 seconds and not any more to get down an important phone number. My point is that the laws of physics for desktop machines and for PDA's are entirely different. Anyone who is too much of a clueless newbie (like many of the failed linux PDA developers) to understand this is really nothing more than marketplace cannon-fodder.

    I will admit I haven't used a Sharp Zaurus, but from just looking at the layout of the buttons and looking at how the TrollTech embedded interface is designed (i.e. mirroring a full-size desktop interface) I can pretty much say that Sharp/Trolltech is guilty of the same thing that killed the Agenda Vr3: "We'll design the hardware and the basic user interface first and worry about creating the interface later." What Sharp and Trolltech really need to make the Zaurus succeed is a good block of wood.

    People call the reviewer clueless. They say "he doesn't take the time to learn thing x or adapt himself to thing y". The real clueless newbies who don't want to learn are linux programmers who refuse to learn how to design usable interfaces for PDA's. Any attempt to deny the truth of this point will only further prove the truth of this post.

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