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Darwin/Mac OS X: The Fifth BSD
LiquidPC writes: "Lance M. Westerhoff from AppleLust has written a superb article on the history of BSD. The article talks about the first versions of BSD and continues with the stories of NetBSD, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, BSDi, and it finishes off with Darwin/MacOSX."
Did you know that searching for 'nigger' on google returns the category Arts > Movies > Titles > W > Who Framed Roger Rabbit ??? See for yourself!
Good thing there is a fifth *BSD, considering that the first four *BSDs are dying.
The goatse guy for president. Win one for the gaper!
FP!
How much brain would it take for the /. admins to extend the lameness-filter to parse the postings in the BSD section for dead, dying and all the synonyms and ban those IP adresses for a few weeks in a row?
Of course, it would take alot more brains than for the anti-BSD guys to stop posting that crap.
This reminds me of how bad it is that natrual selection no longer works full-time on humanity now that we have medicine for most stuff; hopefully we'll be able to hand out Darwin awards to these idiots in a not very distant future.
Makes me wonder
One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.
You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers.
Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.
Fact: *BSD is dying
The record is clear on one thing: no operating system has ever come back from the grave. Efforts to resuscitate *BSD are one step away from spiritualists wishing to communicate with the dead. As the situation grows more desperate for the adherents of this doomed OS, the sorrow takes hold. An unremitting glom hangs like a death shroud over a once hopeful *BSD community. The hope is gone; a mournful nostalgia has settled in. Now is the end time for *BSD.
Fucking nigger, karma whoring around our *BSD is dying section. All posts in this section must be posted at 0 or -1. No exceptions, nigger boy.
It would seem that you caught me on that one. I had a friend with a cat named "Berkley" (without an 'e') who I used to take care of from time to time. I'd often write a note concerning the cat, and I just kinda got in the habit. Thanks for the heads up! I'll be sure to add that one to the spell checker for future ref...
-Lance
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Penis penguins are so cool. Has anyone done a penis daemon yet?
It is with great sadness that I bring you this news: *BSD is dead.
:(
It was at 4:25am on the morning of April 15th 2002 that, after many failed attempts to resuscitate the dying OS, *BSD finally passed away. While *BSD has been in it's death throes for many months now and it's death has been forseen for many years, this is still a very sad moment; a great loss for OS dilettante dabblers and *BSD lovers the world over. Though *BSD has passed away, it will surely be fondly remembered for years to come by users, developers, and trolls alike. Even if you didn't enjoy using *BSD, there's no denying it's contributions to popular OS culture. Truly a Berkeley icon. It will be missed
What about ClosedBSD?
If you read the article, you might want to follow the link to: Secure Trusted Operating System Consortium Apparently there is a project to enable Darwin, the underpinnings of MacOS X, to have the capabilities of a trusted OS! Amazing.
Does that mean that JUNOS is the sixth BSD?
Protoplasm. Quiet Protoplasm. I like quiet protoplasm.
What about ClosedBSD?
ClosedBSD is a distribution of FreeBSD designed for firewalls and NAT boxes. Read More in the FAQ.
Will I retire or break 10K?
It is NeXTSTEP, not BSD.
It is Mach, with a BSD syscall server, and some BSD and GNU userland bits, with NeXT libraries.
I think it's good to see another branch of BSD, not just a fork. I think Darwin has real potential to be something great in the BSD world. Just needs a little time to mature. Does anyone know it's strengths over other forms of BSD?
ahh, the egg in the basket..
Glad to see another branch of BSD and not just a fork. I think that Darwin has the potential to be a strong player in the BSD arena once it matures up a bit. Does anyone know what specific strengths it has over other BSDs?
ahh, the egg in the basket..
I'm glad to see that there's another branch of BSD now and not just a fork off some BSD that's been around a while. I think that Darwin can become a viable player in the BSD arena once it matures up a bit. Does anyone know the specific strengths that Darwin has over other BSDs?
ahh, the egg in the basket..
Darwin is a Mach kernel, which is a microkernel, based OS. Microkernels ONLY manage/arbitrate the connections between the upper half of device drivers and the IO buffer interface that software can see. The FreeBSD kernel is wrapped around Mach, rather than attatching drivers directly. As a result, the kernel (managing all kinds of goofy stuff like tables of TCP/UDP sockets in use) is preemptable by drivers that need realtime processing (like a FireWire video stream). Also, since the FreeBSD kernel layer only sees a virtual device interface, devices can be attatched and detatched at will without crashing the kernel. You can unload the device driver, recompile it, reload it, and you have just upgraded a device driver without needing to reboot. If your hardware wouldn't fry in the process, you could rip the video card out of a runnig machine, and replace it. Applications may decide to die when they get the message they are not allowed to write to the framebuffer, but then again they could be written to wait patiently...
The same sort of technique is used to "virtualise" filesystems. So, you have Mac, Mac-extended, UFS, FAT, EXT2FS partitions on the disk, the software is insulated from the differences. It's as if everything looks like it's wrapped in an NFS mount to the OS. This may not be totally accurate on a technical level, but you should understand that there is another layer of abstraction to the Mach kernel architecture..
Theoretically, you could have heterogenous CPUs in a system. Mach would treat them just like another device with a driver and IO to route here and there. Not that this isn't possible in other OSes, but Mach makes it much easier to do the software side.
--- Nothing clever here: move along now...
that is lovely. post it everywhere
One more crippling bombshell hit the already bleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has drpped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on theheels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.
You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers.
Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.
Fact: *BSD is dying
When are people going to start talking about lainOS across the wired? It's the 6th BSD :)
Saying your OS is the best because more people use it is like saying MacDonalds make the best food
I knew Steve had horns!
that BSD can only survive 9 incarnations before it dies. Of course I've also heard that it has two hearts and a mechnnical dog named K9.
The UI doesn't suck like the others.
Funny, how he writes a whole long lengthy article on bsd, and misspells it EVERY time. It's Berk e ley.
Nobody said Mac fans were the smartest motherfuckers on the planet. Take this jackoff, for example.
I often hear that "Macs are better for design" or "Design is easier on a Mac" and other similar statements, but I find it amusing that all of that is disproved by one dipshit who has devoted his life to Apple and the Macintosh.
If design work were so easy on a Mac, then logically, someone who spends as much time around Macs as he does would have no problem at all creating a stunning website. Obviously, that's not true. Case in point: His fucking website.
Maybe his vegan brain is addled from a lack of protein, because I don't know anyone who thinks blue text on a melon-colored background looks good.
But I could be wrong. Maybe design isn't his forte, and he's actually more interested in doing video editing? Well, lets see what he has to say: ""I haven't edited any footage. I haven't even gone back and looked at it. My dream is that somebody will like it and organize an army of interns to produce a detailed log of everything, and then develop some really interesting DVDs.
Yeah, I think the real answer is that he's less interested in actually using his Macs, than he is in giving Reverend Jobs all his aunt's hard-earned money.
Notice I said his aunt's hard-earned money, because the motherfucker doesn't have a fucking job.
The theory of relativity doesn't work right in Arkansas.
Maybe you should spend less time kissing Steve Jobs' ass and more time paying attention to how you're spelling the name of a MAJOR FUCKING EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTION.
Motherfucker. I bet you're one of those jackoffs that asks "What instrument do you play?", when someone tells you that they go to Berkeley, and they figure it's too much of a fucking waste of time to tell you that UC Berkeley is different than the Berklee School of Music.
The theory of relativity doesn't work right in Arkansas.
Save your mod points for the OBVIOUS trolls.
Most BSD threads are small, I read at 0 (yeah zero). It only takes a few minutes to scan through all the postings and pick out the interesting ones.
It really is a waste of your mod points.
Heh.
this article is great for those mac users who are interested in understanding part of the reason why they went from their traditional mac os to BSD, and why it didn't happen sooner.
I luv OSX. Easy to use, powerful, and pretty much the #1 thing that made me want to jump ship from Windows. If you want to compare to Linux, it is definatly a clear choice. OSX has the polish of an OS where Linux makes it hard for someone outside a CS major to understand the damn thing! :)
i said wewt!
I think the problem is that we have a bunch of anti-BSD people coming in here and using their mod points just to mess up the conversations in here. About 90% of all the troll rated stuff was non-trollish. Maybe not particularly funny, not particularly informative, perhaps slightly off-topic, or even just boring, but not a troll.
Yes you are right. It is not hard to just go through 50-60 unmoderated posts.
Is there any other BSD news site where anti-BSD people don't get to mod down conversations?
If your hardware wouldn't fry in the process, you could rip the video card out of a runnig machine, and replace it.
Actually, there are people working on this for the linux kernel at least See this page or the May issue of Linux Journal page 54.
I imagine that similar capabilities could be coded for any BSD as well.