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Linux "is not piracy" Says Microsoft Lawyer

dipfan writes "Further to this Slashdot piece on the activities of the Business Software Alliance, the BBC reports on a European conference on piracy organised by the BSA. The good news is even Microsoft distinguishes between open source software and piracy; it quotes Microsoft's top in-house lawyer Brad Smith as saying: 'Linux is a way of developing software whereas piracy is copying.' The rest of the article is the usual panic-attack about the size of software piracy in general, and how this is holding back the software industry in Eastern Europe, according to Brad. Although the article notes the irony that despite all the piracy, software sales are forecast to grow from $50 billion in 2000 to about $90 billion by 2005."

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  1. In other news by Burritos · · Score: 0, Funny

    The sky is blue

    Grass is gren

    Voicemail is cool

  2. News To Me by rubinson · · Score: 5, Funny

    Linux is a way of developing software...

    And all this time I was under the impression that Linux was an operating system kernel!

    1. Re:News To Me by Servo5678 · · Score: 5, Funny
      And I always thought "piracy" was the illegal plundering of ships and boats. I love newspeak!

      Maybe it's all in how you develop your software.

      Normal: "I'm going to compile my latest version of code."

      Piracy: "Avast me hardies, I'm going to compile me latest booty! Arrr!"

    2. Re:News To Me by Buck2 · · Score: 2, Funny

      ("Eight bucks for a Kiss album? Fuck that, man!")

      Man, I totally agree. They're not even worth the diskspace.

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    3. Re:News To Me by 56ker · · Score: 3, Funny

      Pirate: Ha ha Jim Lad - what be in this treasure chest.
      Jim Lad: Shiver me timbers there be 1000 pirate copies of Windows 98
      Parrot: Pieces of 98, Pieces of 98.

    4. Re:News To Me by Reziac · · Score: 3, Funny

      Sounds like a parroty error to me!!

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      ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
  3. Piracy is copying? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "piracy is copying."

    So 18th century pirates just boarded your ship, copied everything, and left?

    1. Re:Piracy is copying? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      Arr matey, we didna listen to th'fsckin church wit thar bullshit 'bout clonin'!

      We cloned thar women'n thar booze'n then let 'em go. Arr, it worked out good, me harties, cause they'd come back th'next month and we'd do it 'gain!

    2. Re:Piracy is copying? by g1zmo · · Score: 5, Funny
      So 18th century pirates just boarded your ship, copied everything, and left?

      Isn's that what copyleft means?
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      It all comes down to livin' fast or dyin' slow.
      -REK, Jr.
  4. Linux ok. MS-OS free machines not by bildstorm · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is it just me or does this contradict things?

    They tell us we can't buy machines without an OS. Then they say that we're not allowed to remove the OS. Oh, and we can't give away the machine without a Microsoft OS either.

    Oh, and you can be sure that they think that a machine with Linux preinstalled is an OS-free machine.

    These guys play both sides so much you'd swear they were U.S. negotiators in the Middle East. Well, granted, Microsoft has been more successful. Bill Gates to solve the crisis in the West Bank???

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    The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it. - G.B. Shaw
  5. Dont forget... by Bob+McCown · · Score: 4, Funny
    ..standard includes:

    #include "StandardWhineAboutExpensiveSoftware.h"
    #include "WhineAboutOnlyUsingItOnce.h"
    #include "RantAboutNeedingPhotoshopInsteadOfGimp.h"

    etc...

  6. Make up your minds... by Drachemorder · · Score: 3, Funny
    Make up your mind, Microsoft! Is it piracy, or is it just a virus?

    Sheesh. Are there any insulting comparisons Microsoft hasn't yet made?

  7. Linux Piracy numbers by fabiolrs · · Score: 2, Funny

    In other news: "Mozilla piracy has grown 12% last year according to MS sources. Also, GIMP piracy has also grown considerably."

    Come on MS... come on... grow up!

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  8. It's so nice to have their sanction! by Tri0de · · Score: 3, Funny

    In other news Micro$oft spokesman says "we magnanimously concede that breathing oxygen is not, in and of itself, stealing from us".

    To me, the big brotherish quote was:

    "Criminal organisations can sell software direct, as well as through retail channels," said Symantec lawyer Art Courville. "So, it is harder to monitor."

    yep- can't have that ol' free market in the way, somebody might be doing something unlawful

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    "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts."
  9. Re:I think their numbers may be off by TheTomcat · · Score: 3, Funny

    Google:

    Searched the web for pirated software. Results 1 - 10 of about 73,600. Search took 0.11 seconds.

    Did you mean: warez

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    Searched the web for warez. Results 1 - 10 of about 4,110,000. Search took 0.07 seconds.

    I's an ebil haxxor.

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    S

  10. A whole day? by JediTrainer · · Score: 5, Funny

    It took them a whole day?

    Geez. A quick Google search on 'warez' yields not merely a million, but 4,290,000 sites!

    Search took 0.04 seconds. How much are they paying these guys?

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    You can accomplish anything you set your mind to. The impossible just takes a little longer.
  11. How about a trademark? by drew_kime · · Score: 4, Funny

    Or shall we patent/copyright "a method for cleaning windows?"

    I believe Linus holds the trademark on "Linux," and I've used it to clean Windows off of several systems.

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    Nope, no sig
  12. For future reference... by eyeball · · Score: 5, Funny
    Linux is also not...
    • A vegitable
    • An animal
    • A mineral
    • A verb (although I have heard people say "let's linux this project," which made me want to slap them)
    • A birthcontrol device (well, arguably)
    • A form of martial arts
    • A cure for the common cold
    • A paint remover
    • A shoe manufacturer
    • A religion (arguably)
    etc...

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    1. Re:For future reference... by Sosarian · · Score: 2, Funny

      # A birthcontrol device (well, arguably)

      boot: Do you consider yourself a celebrity?

      Torvalds: Sometimes. At conferences I have a lot of people coming up and talking to me. But at the same time I don't have young girls coming and screaming at me and throwing their underwear! Which is just as well, as I'm a married man!

  13. Re:Wrong assertion from the lawyers by ocie · · Score: 3, Funny

    JW: So tell me about the free software.

    VV: So what you want to know?

    JW: It's free right?

    VV: It's free, but it ain't 100% free. I mean you can't just walk into Fry's and grab a copy of Red Hat off the shelf without paying for it. You have to download it or copy it from a friend.

    JW: That's because it's under the GPL.

    VV: Right. It breaks down like this It's leagal for you to buy it, it's leagal for you to copy it and if you are into programming, it's legal for you to modify it. Companies can sell the software, but that don't matter, 'cause you can turn around and give away copies of it. Limiting redistribution is a right the GPL explicitly doesn't give developers.

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  14. Re:Still Unclear on MSFT's Strong Dislike of Linux by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Say it again and I'll Be you, for jibbity's sake!"

    Actually, I'd rather be Bill Gates, if only for the money...

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    Fascism starts when the efficiency of the government becomes more important than the rights of the people.
  15. Re:Still Unclear on MSFT's Strong Dislike of Linux by dioxide · · Score: 3, Funny

    Actually, I'd rather be Bill Gates, if only for the money...


    promise me you'll spend some of that money on a decent haircut..

  16. Linux "is not piracy" says Microsoft lawyer... by Gildor · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...in other news, Microsoft released a statement which said that the Pope is Catholic...

  17. Don't worry, they have the way out! by Perlguy · · Score: 2, Funny

    Errr, I mean they HAD the way out...

    http://www.wehadthewayout.com

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    -- Windows security? Sure, which ONE would you like? -me
  18. Specious Association by Bob9113 · · Score: 2, Funny

    "We can't estimate how much piracy is on the net but in one day we found a million sites under a search for one of the codenames for pirated software," said a BSA spokesperson.

    I just found 125,000 web pages for "masochism", yet there are hundreds of times that many people using Windows. It would appear that page count does not accurately reflect societal penetration [sic].