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Program Tivo over AOL

mynametaken writes: "Saw this article about AOL and Tivo partnering to offer services. The gist: Terms of the pact call for San Jose, Calif.-based TiVo to integrate AOL features like instant messaging (IM) and live chat into its new TiVo Series2 DVRs, which were introduced earlier this year. Also, both companies are working to provide AOL members who are also TiVo subscribers with the ability to schedule recordings on their TiVo from the AOL service. I know that being able to program a PVR remotely is a big request. It looks like we'll have to have AOL to do it, though."

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  1. all is good until by lingqi · · Score: 4, Funny

    AOL program introduces a small bug (probabbly something to do with calendar) (see previous story) and all the Simpsons we want to record turns out to be "Dawson's creek" instead...

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  2. No OS equiv? by Marx_Mrvelous · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hmm.. if it's programmable via AOL, couldn't someone develop another application that does the same thing? How hard would it be to fugure out the protocol?

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    1. Re:No OS equiv? by ajs · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There will likely be no protocol.

      Or, to be more correct about it, you will talk to AOL, AOL will talk to TiVo and your TiVo box already calls up TiVo WCHQ each night to report on your recent service to the overmind, so the schedule changes from your AOL service will just be added into the mix. Presumably this will mean that you can only cause things to be recorded from AOL that are 24 hours or more out (or they can tell you to "force a dial in" after you submit your info to AOL). I can't imagine how else they would do it, since your TiVo only has access the outside world when it dials in anyway.

      TiVo Web is a much better way to go.

    2. Re:No OS equiv? by Skirwan · · Score: 2
      [Y]ou will talk to AOL, AOL will talk to TiVo and your TiVo box already calls up TiVo WCHQ each night to report on your recent service to the overmind, so the schedule changes from your AOL service will just be added into the mix.

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      I can't imagine how else they would do it, since your TiVo only has access the outside world when it dials in anyway.
      The new Series2 TiVos have the ability to use USB-Ethernet adapters to obtain guide information over the 'net. At the moment this is an announced but offically unsupported 'hack', but it's been fairly clearly implied that it would eventually have a sanctioned use.

      Given that the announcement mentioned instant-messaging, it seems far more likely that the AOL service would require a broadband 'net connection and such an adapter, as having to dial in to retrieve messages makes them a tad less 'instant'. So it may be possible to back-engineer the protocol and use this service without going to AOL. I hope.

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    3. Re:No OS equiv? by ajs · · Score: 2

      Good point. Makes me wish I could edit my original comment ;-)

  3. Or just use TiVoWeb by Jack+Porter · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://tivo.lightn.org/

    I use it to schedule recordings while I'm at work all the time.

    1. Re:Or just use TiVoWeb by bstout · · Score: 3, Informative

      ReplayTV has offered the myReplayTV service for almost 2 years now. It allows any ReplayTV user to remotely program their unit from the web.

      You can see the programs that are currently on your machine (as of the last dial in), all of your record options, and all of your replay channels. From there you can do everything you need, such as delete shows and add new shows to be recorded. It is way cool, not only when I'm traveling but it sure is a lot easier to search for shows using a browser instead of the on-screen keyboard!

      (Besides which, I'm think ReplayTV is just a more hacker friendly box in general.....)

    2. Re:Or just use TiVoWeb by CaptainSuperBoy · · Score: 3, Informative

      TivoWeb doesn't work on Series2.. also it requires you to add a tivonet or setup PPP over serial. Once 3.0 is rolled out, let's hope TivoWeb is made to work on 3.0 and Series2 units. Easy USB ethernet should increase demand for web-based tivo access. Maybe then we'll get a more in-depth and user friendly solution. Heck, I'll use AOL to program my Tivo if it is a good comprehensive interface.

    3. Re:Or just use TiVoWeb by grytpype · · Score: 2

      A little warning if you want to use TivoWeb: it made my Tivo lock up periodically, I eventually quit running it. YMMV.

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    4. Re:Or just use TiVoWeb by NMerriam · · Score: 2

      But isn't it limited by the dial-in? So you can't set up your Replay to record a show unless you do it a day ahead of time.

      But with TiVoWeb you can literally hit the "recrd" button in your web browser and the TiVo 3,000 miles away will start recording because it is the server, not some intermediate system at Replay. or am I mixing up the way Replay works?

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    5. Re:Or just use TiVoWeb by Jordy · · Score: 2

      There is software you can use to control the 4000 series Replay boxes in this way as well. Heck, there is even a little cgi script included on 4000 series replay boxes to quite litterly imput remote control sequences if you want to (ReplayTV boxes have a built-in webserver for accessing data over the network.)

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  4. Unauthorized Clients by G0SP0DAR · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Will it work with Trillian? www.trillian.cc AOL has been a prick lately about third-party clients...

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    1. Re:Unauthorized Clients by Da+w00t · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, AOL has been picky about nasty clients, not good clients. Throughout the entire trillian fiasco, all gaim users using the oscar or toc protocol did not have any problems. AOL was directly targeting trillian.

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    2. Re:Unauthorized Clients by Sc00ter · · Score: 2
      And before Trillian AOL was targeting Gaim specifically.. Once AOL realized that Gaim wasn't going to give up, they backed off.. Same with Trillian, they havn't messed with Trillian in months.. I don't see why Trillian is "Nasty". At least it comes with encryption so you can talk to other people using trillian over an encrypted connection. With Gaim you need a seperate plugin, and when I tried it, it didn't work for shit.

  5. Come on security holes... by saintlupus · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can hardly wait to fill other people's TiVo drives with dreadful Cinemax softcore porn.

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    1. Re:Come on security holes... by PinkStainlessTail · · Score: 3, Funny
      I can hardly wait to fill other people's TiVo drives with dreadful Cinemax softcore porn

      You'd be like the Santa Claus of dreadful softcore!

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  6. Security Flaws? by YourMissionForToday · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I love how EVERYTHING has to be hooked up to the Internet now. I don't want to turn on my TIVO and see that some Hax0r has told it to record 60 hours of paid programming and Dawson's Creek. Yes, the TIVO connects to the Internet anyway, but this is a potentially huge problem. I'm hoping one day that my oven connects to the Internet so that hackers can use it to burn my apartment down.

  7. Program a PVR remotely by jimmcq · · Score: 5, Informative

    I know that being able to program a PVR remotely is a big request

    That capability has been available for quite some time from ReplayTV... and you don't even need AOL to do it! :)

    1. Re:Program a PVR remotely by Sc00ter · · Score: 3, Informative
      Well, from the way I understand it the way this works is it will change the programming data next time it calls in to sync. So it's only useful if it's something for the next day (since those calls usually happen in the middle of the night). With TiVoWEB the changes happen right away. So if you're at work and you find out something is going to be on at say 4pm, and you get home at 5pm, and you have TiVoWEB installed, you'll get it, but with the replay service you won't.

      Of course TiVoWEB is a something you have to hack onto the TiVo, but it's still cool.

  8. I love TiVo but... by keep_it_simple_stupi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think they're missing their target audience here. I mean sure, the techno illiterate (AOL users) will be able to use a TiVo, but are they really going to be the ones that want this functionality? They need to make this service available to everyone who uses the "real" internet.

    Just my $.02

  9. Replay already does it by printdevil · · Score: 4, Informative

    I program my Replay over the internet all the time. http://www.myreplaytv.com/

    Even when I'm sitting in front of the TV, it's a lot easier to type in names of shows, search, etc with a full keyboard and mouse than with an on-screen keyboard. I can also download the show to my laptop's hard drive and watch it on the plane. And I don't have to be on AOL.

  10. Marketing by billnapier · · Score: 2

    In January 2001, AOL and TiVo expanded their relationship to include an enhanced multi-million dollar marketing and promotional campaign across various AOL Time Warner online, print and television media properties. The campaign focused on educating consumers about the TiVo personal television service.

    As has been mentioned before, the hardest thing about a PVR is trying to explain it to other people. I've had mine for 1.5 years now, and I still have a hard time explaining what it is to people. But once I show it to them, they understand (and usually think its pretty neat). Haven't gotten any hooked on it yet, but I keep trying.

    1. Re:Marketing by billnapier · · Score: 2

      I would do some reserch before I make the Dish/DirecTv decision. From some of the stuff I've read in rec.video.satellite.dbs, there are some quality issues associated with Dish. The common consesus is that DirecTv has better equipment and a better picture (unless all you are worried about it cost)

      You should be able to go to some stores and check out the picture difference between the two and see if you notice anything. Frankly, I'm happy that I lucked out and got DirecTv. The picutre is much better than what I got from Cable before (I got lucky because I hadn't done my reading before hand, just knew that I wanted a DirecTivo unit)

  11. Is this useful? by phoenix26x · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Disclaimer: I do not own a tivo. I have seen them in use, though.

    I fully understand how remotely updating your preferences would be useful. Say you are at work, a coworker tells you about a certain program thats on an hour before you get home. Log on to AOL (sigh) and update your prefs! In contrast, would anyone really want IM and chat capabilties in their PVR? Can anyone think of a good use?

  12. I wonder what Jamie Kellner thinks of this? by JohnTheFisherman · · Score: 2
    1. Re:I wonder what Jamie Kellner thinks of this? by ncc74656 · · Score: 2

      Maybe this development means that his bosses will tell him to STFU. (We can always hope that will happen, at least...)

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  13. AOL in trouble? by billnapier · · Score: 2, Interesting

    At the same time, TiVo will return to AOL $48 million of a $200 million investment made in June 2000 because "the new product offering will not require the subsidy payments contemplated at the time of the original agreement," TiVo officials said in a statement. AOL in turn will return 1.6 million shares of TiVo preferred stock to the DVR concern.

    With all the talks about AOL-TimeWarner having some financial trouble (with AOL's stock dropping in the toiliet), I wonder if this has anything to do with AOL needing their money back?

  14. I'm confused. by gklinger · · Score: 5, Funny

    Let me get this straight. AOL-TimeWarner owns Turner Broadcasting. Turner Broadcasting says PVR users are thieves and yet AOL is making it easier for me to use my PVR?

    1. Re:I'm confused. by Knobby · · Score: 2, Funny

      Don't worry, the Senator from Disney will clear it all up with his next bill.

  15. Turner's gonna be pissed... by zaren · · Score: 4, Funny

    Turner Broadcasting thinks PVR users are theives, though... and AOL owns Turner Broadcasting!

    Maybe they can set up their system to skip recording anything that's on a Turner station...

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    1. Re:Turner's gonna be pissed... by SDrifter · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, it's brilliant. Now, they'll know exactly who's recording their shows! And when they find out...

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  16. two sides of the same mouth by BenSnyder · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Looks like AOL-Time Warner needs to get their story straight. I mean, first PVR users are theives, and now the same conglomerate wants to add functionality to their PVR?

    It doesn't make sense to me unless they're just dying to insert pop-up ads over actual TV shows.

  17. This is Great! by Qwerpafw · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Well, maybe not great, but I think that this turn of events is properly termed a "Really Good Thing!"

    After they finish with napster (if ever) the media companies seem to have set their sights on TiVo as their next target. What with the "PVR=illegal" comment by Jamie Kellner, and the disapproval in general of being able to record and store media, its not a wonder the lawsuits haven't already begun.

    Having AOL Time Warner throw their weight behind TiVo (if only partially), will at least make most companies think twice before going after TiVo, not to mention add a veneer of legitamacy to the whole PVR movement.

    Plus, since Jamie Kellner is CEO of turner broadcasting (owned by AOL Time Warner), maybe his superiors will get him to shut up :).

  18. New meme by Zen+Mastuh · · Score: 2

    You have stolen property!!!

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  19. But aren't pvr users theives? by grahamsz · · Score: 2


    Here we have the CEO of Turner (part of AOL Time Warner) saying that PVR users are theives and yet his same company are embracing them for profit.

    Good to see AOLTW have their departments in sync... the whole gnutella thing is ringing in my head too.

  20. Ughh, Tivo and AOL by Kailden · · Score: 2

    First before I say anything, I would like to say I'm a proud owner of a 20hr TiVo and it's great!

    TiVo has been also a great company to work with, very responsive.

    However, I don't think it's a good idea to team up with AOL. Maybe it's time to start looking at these video cards that are getting closer and closer to providing a TiVo like service--- ie, ATI's All-in-Wonder 8500 128MB & TV/Capture Card and the titantv service Now, before you assume that this is just another post claiming "you could build it yourself and play Quake on it too", check out the link. You can now schedule stuff, have it do time shifting, etc etc. I linked to the page that begins to talk about the tv recording like services. The actual review starts a few pages back. Anyways, word on the street is the TiVo on your pc isn't far away at all.

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  21. I'm glad someone noticed this... by joshamania · · Score: 2

    This is ridiculous...one Turner idiot bitching about PVR's while another increases their functionality. What a crock of shit...the right hand doesn't know what the left is doing and they both look stupid.

    1. Re:I'm glad someone noticed this... by smnolde · · Score: 5, Funny

      The left hand is whacking the Turner idiot off and the other is choking him for autoerotic asphyxiation... sooner or later something's gonna go really wrong with a fucked up arrangement like that.

  22. This may actually be a VERY good thing in disguise by browser_war_pow · · Score: 2

    Think about it. AOL, 1/2 of AOLTW acknowledging that PVRs are actually legitimate consumer electronics and trying to get its foot in the door by adding services to them. That not only discredits that stupid TW executive because who the hell is going to take her seriously when half of AOLTW is taking PVRs seriously, it also may mean that AOLTW will find a way to get around the "theft" issue of PVRs.

    If AOLTW figures out how to make a profit on broadcasting and PVRs that is a good thing. It means that we will have one less company that is sympathetic to the unproductive whiners whose state-enforced monopolies have made them into lazy little shits unable to move faster in a rapidly changing marketplace than a T-Rex caught in a tar pit.

  23. But Instant Messenging is theft! by eyeball · · Score: 3, Funny

    Just wait till Turner Broadcasting CEO Jamie Kellner figures out that instant messenging distracts the viewer from watching commercials during ad-supported basis. That project will be dead quicker than you can say "what a freakin jackass."

    Seriously, I could see television executives, using legislation or lawsuits, require all set-top boxes to freeze up during commercials and not allow the user to do anything but watch.

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    1. Re:But Instant Messenging is theft! by zbuffered · · Score: 2

      Like when Disney makes you watch a preview for their new movie every time you watch the DVD you bought, and you can't fast-forward through it or skip it or whatever...

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    2. Re:But Instant Messenging is theft! by 4of12 · · Score: 2

      Like when Disney makes you watch a preview for their new movie every time you watch the DVD you bought, and you can't fast-forward through it or skip it or whatever...

      That forced feed preview feature of DVDs represents a theft of my time.

      I'm sure that DVD preview section is only going to grow larger over time, until it starts to dwarf the 7 previews and 2 advertisements that take up the front end of most VHS rental tapes.

      "Honey, put on the DVD and the mute button so after dinner we can watch the movie!"

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    3. Re:But Instant Messenging is theft! by ncc74656 · · Score: 2
      Like when Disney makes you watch a preview for their new movie every time you watch the DVD you bought, and you can't fast-forward through it or skip it or whatever...

      If you had an Apex AD600A, you'd just hit "PBC Off" twice and then go straight to the menu. (It's good for skipping "FBI warnings" on other DVDs...can't say that I've tested it against any Di$ney stuff as I've never bought or rented any Di$ney DVDs.)

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  24. Yet more irony by blankmange · · Score: 2
    So, if I understand this correctly, AOL is complicating their services after touting to the entire planet how simple their services are... I know that I am not the only /.er here who doesn't think that programming a PVR may be outside the realm of AOL users....

    The massive security holes in this will be hilarious to read about... heh, heh

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  25. Re:Ughh, Tivo and AOL by kindbud · · Score: 3, Insightful

    However, I don't think it's a good idea to team up with AOL.

    Oh no, getting access to 23 million+ naive consumers who have at least $20 disposable income per month is usually the death knell for any fledgling business. Yessirree.

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  26. Don't hold your breath... by burnsy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This was a cover story for the fact that AOL pulled out of joint devlopment of an AOLTV\TiVo box for Time Warner cable subs.

    Think about it, how would you IM with without a keyboard?

  27. Um, AOL is short for "Time Warner" by ahde · · Score: 2

    Tivo just got shut down. There are only 3 companies that wanted to _partner_ with Tivo as much or more, and they all have "B" as their middle initial.

  28. same as that Dallas Morning News mess... by SethJohnson · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The real irony with yesterday's story about the Dallas Morning News opposing 'deep linking' the technological retards at the dallas morning news had invested heavily in a startup company whose only product "...instructs your Web browser to go directly to a page within a Web site, eliminating the need to go through several links."

    Geez. Even when every other critic in the world had pronounced the CueCat a stupid idea and a failed business effort, the Dallas Morning News kept supporting it. Now they've turned a 180 and want to force people to click through as many pages as possible. What gives?

    I can understand how a mega-goliath like AOL-TimeWarner might be at opposing ends of an issue. Sort of like how Sony makes CDRW drives and also finances the RIAA in battling piracy. But the Dallas Morning News people who are running their website (and presumeably the CueCat debachle) probably all sit in the same building.
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  29. I was really looking into TiVo by MBCook · · Score: 2

    If AOL can not be easily avoided/turned off, they just lost my money. I have been looking into TiVo type devices for a while. When I fould out about the new series two units from TiVo, I've been getting ready to buy one. But if my TiVo is going to be slow and crash because of AOL software, I don't want it. If I'm going to get IMs from people trying to send me viruses during my favorite shows, I don't want it. If I get a single piece of spam on my TV, I don't want it. I sure hope TiVo will keep a VERY tight rope around AOL.

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  30. TivoWeb doesn't work on Series2... yet by Otto · · Score: 2

    Give it time. 3.0 is coming out and TivoWeb is still undergoing modifications.

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