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Spintronics May Lead to Quantum Microchips

Rashan writes "A Scientific American article which waxes poetic about the possibility of microchips which use the "spin" of an electron to perform their functions." An excellent explanation of a complex subject.

103 comments

  1. fp? by n3r0.m4dski11z · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    props to scott bakula! the original quantum microchip

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    1. Re:fp? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      No such luck.

    2. Re:fp? by Brandeissansoo · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      As for your sig, didn't the earth also make arsenic, uranium, and poison ivy? Just because it comes from the earth doesn't mean it's better than anything man-made

    3. Re:fp? by Spaceman+Spiff+II · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      I would rather have sugar over nutrasweet or any of those other fake sugars. Although his sig is at correct in that marijuana isn't as bad for you as beer.

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    4. Re:fp? by n3r0.m4dski11z · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      i was speaking of drugs not things something made but as it seems most /.ers have the comprehension of a soup can, i will try and make it more lucid. actually fuk that its time for a sig change anyways.

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  2. blork by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    fp

    1. Re:blork by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      No such luck, buster.

  3. Science should stick to what it can prove by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    The "spin" of an electron? Oh, please. Next thing they're going to claim that they can harness the energy of a black hole to power the world's computers. If you want to impress me, prove that black holes or electrons actually exist. Otherwise I fail to see why this unsubstantiated garbage actually gets posted on Slashdot.

    1. Re:Science should stick to what it can prove by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "Yes electrons does not exist", he said and hurried to turn off every electric device dependant on this. Then he realized that the neurons in the brains are communicating with electric impulses, and he turned that one off, too.



      No, wait. That was before.

  4. Im ready... by PepsiProgrammer · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Im ready for Quantum Entanglement Networking, heh zero ping time, and nearly unlimited bandwidth, and unlimited range, till then im gonna be stuck with dial up, seeing as how i live on the outskirts of nowhere

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    1. Re:Im ready... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      But then id have no excuse to how bad I suck at quake.

    2. Re:Im ready... by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm glad I'm not the only one that recognizes just how cool QE networking would be. However, if the corps or gov get ahold of it first, it will be a bad thing. Incredibly bad.

      QE transcievers by their very nature, are untraceable. Say you and I have a dialogue via anonymous email, and we agree to exchange a transciever pair. I go to Central Park at midnight, and pull the transciever pairmate out of a trashcan... we can network now, without knowing who the other is, or where they are. Chain 20 people together like that, and warez (just one example) would be unstoppable.

      So, if you are part of the gov, how do you stop this? You make sure that eash QE transciever is built in such a way, that it can't be tampered with without unentangling. Then, you build a GPS reciever into it, connected to a second QE particle. It's pairmate will be in the Federal QE Network monitoring center... they'll be able to narrow it down to within a few feet geographically. It will allow them to sniff all traffic traveling through the QEnet, and will pinpoint where it is coming from.

      You're infinite bandwidth will only be useful for a (nearly) infinite amount of advertising and some overpriced pay content.

      The only hope we have, is that it's somehow simple to make your own QE transciever, and that someone anonymously publishes on the web just how to make your own. Make it underground.

    3. Re:Im ready... by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 2

      You make sure that eash QE transciever is built in such a way, that it can't be tampered with without unentangling.

      For shame. You're a reader of slashdot
      You should know by now that there's no such thing as tamper-proof technology.

      Believe it or not, where there's a will, there really, actually IS a way.

    4. Re:Im ready... by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 2

      Duh.

      Apparently, you have no idea how *fragile* quantum entanglement is. In any other case, you might be right, but not this one.

      Hell, even with conventional technology "locks" some are good enough that only the talented can manage to "pick" them. And we are talking about a case where if the majority can't defeat it, then there is no point in defeating it.

    5. Re:Im ready... by Misanthroporama · · Score: 1

      I think it would be damn awesome. I knew physics had to pay off somehow. Now I know, faster porn. Seriously though, I think QEN is very cool.

    6. Re:Im ready... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Did I miss something in the article? What does quantum entanglement have to do with spintronics?

    7. Re:Im ready... by _Knots · · Score: 1

      Eeerk... well, not quite. QE works very well for what it *is* good for, but it is *not* good for transmitting information faster than the speed of light. So a QE network would still be *just as fast* but no faster than the state of the art optical networks we have now (in terms of the optical part of the ping time. The electronics, though, can be sped up quite a bit over what we have, IIRC).

      QE will, however, as another poster points out, allow (in principle) (near-)perfect encryption since it solves the problem of OTP distribution - anybody viewing the OTP changes it in a way that is very detectable (they collapse the quantum wave function and cannot recover it). So.

      Other uses are anonymity, but here it'd only be classical-protocol anonymity protected by the (near-)perfect encryption offered by QE.

      Depending on your interest and math levels, you might want to pick up a QM textbook (warning: QM is *lots and lots* of linear algebra and tensor math) or an introductory text (though no titles jump to mind, sorry).

      -Knots

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    8. Re:Im ready... by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 2

      I'm sorry, but the experimental data is inconclusive at this point. It may very well allow FTL data transmission. Besides, it's not like one of the hobbyist uses for this will be realtime control of Kuiper belt probes. It's moot.

      QE won't allow near perfect encryption. What it will allow is a transmission medium that is untraceable geographically and one that is eavesdrop proof.

      But then, it may not even be that. Unless you manufacture these things yourself, under direct supervision, there is no way to know that the gov hasn't placed a second pair of QE particles in the device... sure, you can open it up and look, which collapses the damn thing. Besides, why would you want to distribute keys anymore? So you can talk safely over the phone? Hello McFly, assuming that you can trust the QE transciever in the first place, just speak over it... eavesdropping is impossible.

      But I can see how it would be cool to connect QE pairmates up to gigabit ethernet transcievers. Just plug it into your switch, and you have perfect wireless networking that is without distance or interference limitations.

    9. Re:Im ready... by _Knots · · Score: 1

      Wow that seemed a little harsh. Forgive me if I respond in kind.

      No, QE is not going to allow for FTL information transport, since the particles themselves can never be moved faster than light. The wave function collapses to give either corresponding or anti-corresponding values at each of the detectors (subject to the carrier media of the quantum wave function - photons are anti-corresponding, IIRC, others are corresponding). The value cannot be determined ahead of time without collapsing the wave function and making it classical information transport.

      FTL isn't moot - it's what the original poster said he wanted!

      QE *will* allow for near perfect encryption - using the now-standard key generation algorithms to generate a OTP will be slow but, surprise, perfect. And if you think for a minute that the government can clone the qubits used in key exchange - you're wrong, the very act of trying collapses the wave function! And by collapsing the function, it will, of course, be detectable by the checking phases of the key generation algorithms.

      And *what* are you talking about, wireless networking without distance or interference limitations!? It's a nice idea, but no, QE as key exchange (QE cannot really be used for information transfer, though the classical photonic methods work) has been demonstrated as viable over several kilometers with highly directed transceiver pairs, but it's certainly not a replacement for 802.11.

      Please, please, I implore you, read up on QM and information theory. If you can point a single counterexample experiment that demonstrates FTL information trasfer, QE as a way of information transport, etc. please let me know. But until I see one, I will trust my textbooks.

      -knots

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    10. Re:Im ready... by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 2

      "FTL isn't moot - it's what the original poster said he wanted!"

      What, a dozen people in history have been as far away as the moon? Which has a 2000ms ping time. The original poster most certainly doesn't live there, so FTL information transport probably isn't a priority of his.

      I'm not even sure what you're talking about any more. OTP's are easy to come by, it's distributing them securely that is a problem. So you buy your little black box that in theory lets you recieve the OTP securely. Big deal

      Another device hidden inside, watches the signal as you recieve it. Not in the middle where it collapses. Besides, if QE allows secure OTP transmission, send the message that way, unencrypted.

      QE photons and what not are much easier to come by, but not as fun. I've read hints that more docile particles might be subject to QE, in such a way that they could refrain from collapsing even after seperated by any distance. In such cases, it might be possible to send data using these as a transmitter and reciever (for duplex, you'd need 2 pairs). Figuring out a way to do this so that you could send info without collapsing them would be difficult, likely impossible in practice. I've heard stuff to the effect that this may indeed be instantaneous, or still subject to FTL. Either way, who cares? It would still kick ass. Any point on the globe is never farther than what, 8000 miles or so from you? That's an acceptable ping time in my books.

      I believe you're referring to using QM to send a signal that can be intercepted, but in doing so betrays the eavesdropping (since the eavesdropper can never make a 2nd fake signal that will match the first). This has been performed with photons over both fiber, and through the air. Cool, but nothing I really care about.

      So that others have a clue what we're even talking about, the layman's explanation of QE is tricking 2 or more particles into believing that they are the same particle, at least as far as certain properties are concerned. Push one particle, the other also moves, etc. More than likely, it's science fiction (I think Ender's Game was the first I've read to use this premise). But then what tech isn't scifi before it's invented?

    11. Re:Im ready... by _Knots · · Score: 1

      You're very confused. QE does *not* allow for information transfer - it's a way of doing fair coin tosses (OTP *generation* not *distribution*).

      Every particle is subject to QE, it's just a trick to get it superimposed and maintain its state as such. It's fundamental to QM.

      Once again, once you collapse a quantum wave function (by observing the entangled particles), re-entangling them would require information to be sent among them - so no FTL that way either.

      If you care about QE at all, you care about key generation. Otherwise you shouldn't care about QE - it's useless for information *transfer*. No, push one particle the other *doesn't* move - they just collapse to the same (or opposite, depending on *what* you have entangled - photons, protons, etc) state *no matter how you measure them*. Once again, this aspect of matter cannot be exploited for FTL information transfer. It can't be exploited for information transfer at all without in some way transfering the information through another channel.

      -Knots

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    12. Re:Im ready... by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 2

      Oh I see. The whole problem has always been that we can't *make* OTP's. You're a very subtle and elaborate troll. Can't believe I've been an idiot this long.

      Never, and I mean ***NEVER*** has it ever been described to me that OTP's are difficult because of a randomization problem. Sure, many general rand()'s are far from the quality needed for OTP. But this doesn't rule it out. Using wav files of static noise are generally high enough quality, using the hardware rand() in a Pentium 3 is even better. The coin toss problem has been fixed...

      It's getting the OTP (one time pad, if I've not explained it yet) to the other person securely that has ***ALWAYS*** been the problem.

      So I think it's you that is confused, not I.

      QM does allow for safe OTP distribution, but this can still be eavesdropped on. It just makes it obvious to the encrypters that someone is eavesdropping, and that they need to try again before sending the important message. This method has little, or nothing to do with QE, that I am aware of.

      And my laymen's explanation of QE is still better than yours, if far from perfectly accurate. The gist of it remains the same. You know, you actually had me for a second, checking to be sure I wasn't brain farting, and using the term QE when I really meant something else. Fucking trolls.

  5. terminology? by tps12 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Electronics use electrons, so spintronics must use...spintrons?

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    1. Re:terminology? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait
      Gawd, you are fucking lame.

      Seriously.

    2. Re:terminology? by The+Anime+Troll · · Score: -1

      Slashdot is not responsible for the parent comment or any physical effects resulting from it. But it really ought to be.

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    3. Re:terminology? by distributed.karma · · Score: 1
      No, they use spinors :-)

      Just kidding.. spinors are the mathematical descriptions (wavefunctions) of particles that have spin. On the other hand, I disagree with the original story where it said that 'spintronics is short for spin electronics'.

      Because electronics are not always about electrons. In many semiconductors, the charge carriers are positive. What matters is the transfer of charge, which comes in units of e, the electron charge.

      So, electronics is about charge (e) transfer, and spintronics is about spin transfer. Even then, it need not be electron spin.

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    4. Re:terminology? by DivineOb · · Score: -1

      Anime is for losers

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    5. Re:terminology? by The+Anime+Troll · · Score: -1

      Then I'm proud to be a loser! (You're new to this, aren't you?)

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    6. Re:terminology? by wass · · Score: 1
      Because electronics are not always about electrons. In many semiconductors, the charge carriers are
      positive. What matters is the transfer of charge, which comes in units of e, the electron charge.


      I don't know how much solid-state physics you already have, but for the benefit of others, I'll clarify a bit. The positive charge carriers are still really due to electrons.


      Nearly-empty bands can be thought of as having mobile negatively-charged electrons, while almost-full bands can be thought of as having mobile positively-charged holes. The holes are merely lack of electrons, and act like a physical entity, but is really the lack of an entity. Kind of like bubbles in a liquid. They denote locales where the fluid is not, but the bubble looks like a particle in itself moving through the liquid medium.

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    7. Re:terminology? by Chinese+Karma+Whore · · Score: -1

      That sig sucks mad cow

    8. Re:terminology? by HalfFlat · · Score: 2

      The holes are merely lack of electrons, and act like a physical entity, but is really the lack of an entity.
      That's a bit harsh I think :) Holes act like particles - like electrons do - and so in the solid-state domain, they're just as much a physical entity. Outside that domain of course, they don't make much sense. Electrons get around more and get all the girls.
  6. spintronics? by 10+Speed · · Score: 0, Redundant

    ...the foundation of spintronics... wasnt the foundation of spintronics and 80's techno group?

    1. Re:spintronics? by FearUncertaintyDoubt · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, no, Spintronics a new Richard Simmons aerobics program entirely based on twirling...

    2. Re:spintronics? by Thud457 · · Score: 0

      My fellow Americans. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball, but tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom.

      -- Kodos gives a speech, "Treehouse of Horror VII"

      snpp -- the definitive reference

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    3. Re:spintronics? by Misanthroporama · · Score: 1

      I think that was Technotronic, I saw em on an old episode of SNL, Fred Savage was hosting, good stuff.

  7. Slashdot slashdotted? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Is it just me or was Slashdot slashdotted or something for at least the last five minutes? I could not get the front page to load... what is up with that.

  8. Well.. by CaffeineAddict2001 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    With your feet in the air and your head on the ground, try this trick and spin it.
    Your head will collapse if there's nothing in it and you'll ask yourself:
    Where is my mind?

    1. Re:Well.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Come on Pilgrim?

    2. Re:Well.. by Visigothe · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Waaay out, on the water, see it swimming!

      Pixies Rock!

      .

    3. Re:Well.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Well I was talkin' to preachy-preach about kissy-kiss
      He bought me a soda
      He bought me a soda
      He bought me a soda and he tried to molest me in the parking lot
      Hey hey hey hey hey

  9. FFWD 10 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    No, that's not a bug in the code, your computer must be dizzy.

  10. JAP! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Jessica Alba post

  11. I could be your father ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    ... but then, so could about four or five thousand other men.

  12. Use quarks instead! by Limburgher · · Score: 5, Funny

    Then a strange chip would be perfectly normal!

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  13. Re:Use quarks instead! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hehe, I would give you +1 Funny if I could.

  14. Spintronics??? by AlastairMurray · · Score: 0

    Spintronics??? I had the idea of sticking my computer in the washing machine months ago. If only I'd patented it.

    1. Re:Spintronics??? by morbid · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      No no no! Y-Fronts must be on fire!

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    2. Re:Spintronics??? by morbid · · Score: 0

      It's kind of weird, every time I post nowadays, whether it be genuinely informative, funny or whatever, it either gets ignored or moderated as -1. I am now down to karma 39 and still posting at 0. So how much karma do you have to have to get to post at +1? Any why is disagreeing with IBM automatically -1 troll?
      Please enlighten me?

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  15. parallel universes by oever · · Score: 1

    quantum computing?
    we already have that:
    fork()

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  16. sound like a good idea but... by dimitri_k · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm afraid it is only spin.

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  17. I'm sorry by ch-chuck · · Score: 2

    You'll have to take that magnet out of here, this is a 'no spin' zone.

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  18. How about interference? by aaandre · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How sensitive to electro/magnetic interference would such a chip be?

    In times when my neighbor can fry all my PCs with a home-made impulse gun I'd be more interested in a light-based chip.

    1. Re:How about interference? by inertia187 · · Score: 1

      It's probably not to sensitive to electormagnetic interference. But if you pick it up and shake it, you're out of luck...

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  19. Hmmm.... by PepsiProgrammer · · Score: 1

    Will us nerds who do tech support begin to be called spin-doctors by the press now?

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    1. Re:Hmmm.... by Renraku · · Score: 2

      I doubt it, conszidering us tech support nerds currently aren't called transistor-medics. I doubt tech support would be fiddling around with the individual electron paths of a computer.

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  20. Spintrons....... by isotope23 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I believe that Maytag was the first to use
    spintronics.

    Watch out all you chip companies, Big Bad Maytag
    will sue you all for IP violations!

    (In reality though wouldn't it be nice if all computers were as dependable as washing machines?)

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  21. You spin me right round by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    baby right round.

    Like a record baby, right round, round round.

    I want your LoooOOOooOOOoooOOOOve,

    I need your LooOOOooOOOoooOOOOve,

    All I know is that to me, you look like you're havin' fun,

    Open up your lovin' arms,

    Watch out here I come.

  22. Mod Parent Up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Heh, if only i hadn't spent my mod points this morning.

  23. man made vs nature by isotope23 · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Hey,

    Uranium is a GREAT thing! Good for promoting hair loss, tooth loss AND rectal bleeding!

    Arsenic has merely suffered from a lack of a good PR company. It needs a jingle something like
    "Arsenic will make your nosy neighbor sick,
    and if you hate your family head, use Arsenic
    to make them dead! AAAARRRSENNIC!!"

    Picture the above with a snappy jingle, I think Arsenic sales would go through the roof.....

    As for Poison Ivy? She was REALLY DAMN hot in Batman so don't dis her either!

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  24. spin-control by carlos_benj · · Score: 1

    Of course you will have to power it via the static electricity generated while using a hula hoop while wearing a polyester leisure suit.

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  25. Watch out if you use XP by Anti-Microsoft+Troll · · Score: 0

    A little static electircity changing an electron or two in your computer, and you'll have to re-authenticate it.

  26. Wolfram: He's a moron. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Forty-five bucks for that overblown piece of shit by that fucking blow-hard?

    Give him the goatse.cx picture link and tell him to wank himself.

  27. But wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    The explanation would be even more excellent if it were correct.

    I miss the old Scentific American, when the articles were more technical and more accurate.

  28. this is similar to the startup I was at... by brer_rabbit · · Score: 2

    ...where the executives used the spin of "stock options" to perform their functions.

  29. Electron Encapsulation by seangw · · Score: 1

    I'm not familiar at all with the field, so here's a dumb question:

    If they are going to use electron spins to keep track of information, how are we to encapsulate the electrons, with other electrons? Didn't the article say that they affect all other electrons in the area?

    1. Re:Electron Encapsulation by C4v3_7r0ll · · Score: 1
      If they are going to use electron spins to keep track of information, how are we to encapsulate the electrons, with other electrons? Didn't the article say that they affect all other electrons in the area?

      The article said that the spin is coherent within the channel as long as the ferromagnet is switched in the correct way. It also said that the spin alignment had very short coherence outside the field. Depending on the material and mechanism anywhere from a few picoseconds to a few hundred nanoseconds. The reason for the decoherence is as you stated. Spin alignment is adversely affected by magnetic and electric fields. Since surrounding electrons give off such fields, you get really short spin alignment times.

  30. NO it was only YOU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    It was only you who had a problem.
    That was all I wanted to say.

  31. Just one question... by motardo · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    since they're spinning, do the electrons get sick and barf up their nucleus?

    -motardo

    1. Re:Just one question... by seangw · · Score: 1

      Electrons don't have a nucleus :)

  32. Re:Use quarks instead! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    That's insightful?!?

  33. Re:Use quarks instead! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Maybe if the moderator was a native galimatias speaker... cause in galimatias, "Insightful" might just mean "Funny".

  34. Hard drives are already "spintronic" by 1010011010 · · Score: 2

    GMR heads use the spin of electrons to detect changes in the magnetic field on the surface of the discs.

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    1. Re:Hard drives are already "spintronic" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually GMR hard drives "spin" the disk platter around. It reads bits by waiting until the desired data rotates under the head, then electromagnetic fields from the platter stimulate the head, giving 1's and 0's.

    2. Re:Hard drives are already "spintronic" by wass · · Score: 3, Informative

      The transition from laboratory discovery to actual heavy industry usage of GMR-based devices in the recording industry has been incredibly fast. One of the only other technologies that has transferred this quickly from lab to industry was the transistor, and it is obvious how influential and revolutionary transistors were. This gives a brief indication of the relative influence spintronics may have on the industry.

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  35. Coming soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Coming to the diagnostic section of your local software store in 2035: Norton Spin Doctor 1.0

  36. What if... by Zen+Mastuh · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    ...all the electrons stop spinning? What's a sysadmin to do?

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    1. Re:What if... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's a sysadmin to do?

      Stop making stupid jokes?

  37. For A Joint #@ 420 Lewis !!!! @# by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic



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    the drug war surrounding).

    Conventions are legends: 420 is not police radio code for
    anything, anywhere. Checks of criminal codes (including those of
    the City of San Francisco, the City of Los Angeles, Los Angeles
    County, the State of California, and the federal penal code) suggest
    that the origin is neither Californian nor federal (the two best
    guesses). For instance, California Penal Code 420 defines as a
    misdemeanor the hindrance of use (obstructing entry) of public
    lands, and California Family Code 420 defines what constitutes a
    wedding ceremony (Marco). One state does come close: The
    Illinois Department of Revenue classifies the Alcoholic Liquor Act
    under Part 420, and the Cannabis and Controlled Substances Tax
    Act are next, under Part 428. (RB 5/19/99)

    True story?: According to Steven Hager, editor of High Times,
    the term 420 originated at San Rafael High School, in 1971,
    among a group of about a dozen pot-smoking wiseacres who
    called themselves the Waldos. The term 420 was shorthand for the
    time of day the group would meet, at the campus statue of Louis
    Pasteur, to smoke pot. ``Waldo Steve,'' a member of the group who
    now owns a business in San Francisco, says the Waldos would
    salute each other in the school hallway and say ``420 Louis!'' The
    term was one of many invented by the group, but it was the one
    that caught on. ``It was just a joke, but it came to mean all kinds of
    things, like `Do you have any?' or `Do I look stoned?' '' he said.
    ``Parents and teachers wouldn't know what we were talking about.''
    The term took root, and flourished, and spread beyond San Rafael
    with the assistance of the Grateful Dead and their dedicated cohort
    of pot-smoking fans. The Waldos decided to assert their claim to
    the history of the term after decades of watching it spread, mutate
    and be appropriated by commercial interests. The Waldos contacted
    Hager, and presented him with evidence of 420's history, primarily
    a collection of postmarked letters from the early '70s with lots of
    mention of 420. They also started a Web site, waldo420.com. ``We
    have proof, we were the first,'' Waldo Steve said. ``I mean, it's not
    like we wrote a book or invented anything. We just came up with a
    phrase. But it's kind of an honor that this emanated from San
    Rafael.'' Maria Alicia Gaura for the San Francisco Chronicle,
    4/20/00 p. A19; and thanks to Noah Cole for the submission

    Alternate explanations

    There are a variety of other explanations, all much more interesting
    than police code, and many plausible. Some are more likely uses
    of the 420/hemp connection rather than sources of it, such as the
    score for the football game in Fast Times at Ridgement High,
    42-0.

    Known Myths: It isn't police code (see above). There are 315
    chemicals in marijuana, not 420. And although tea time in
    Amsterdam is rumored to be 4:20, it is actually 5:30 (Gerhard
    den Hollander).
    Sixties Songs: For instance, Bob Dylan's famous Rainy Day
    Women #12 and 35 is a possible reference, or source --
    12x35=420. And Stephen Stills wrote (and Crosby Stills Nash
    & Young performed) a song 4+20 (first recorded 7/16/69,
    released on Deja Vu 3/11/70) about an 84-year-old
    poverty-stricken man who started and finished with nothing.
    (Thanks to Sherry Keel 12/6/98.) Dylan aslo mentions 4 and
    20 windows in The Balland of Frankie Lee and Judas Priest
    (on John Wesley Harding).
    Older Verse: But 420 in poetry is older than that - Greg
    Keller notes the old nursery rhyme line, four and twenty
    black birds baked in a pie. Revelation 5:14 (in the King
    James Version of the Christian Bible) reads, And the four
    beasts said 'A-Men.' And the four and twenty elders fell down
    and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever. (Travis
    Spurley 2/15/99) And in Midnight's_Children, Salman
    Rushdie wrote, Inevitably, a number of these children failed
    to survive. Malnutrition, disease and the misfortunes of
    everyday life had accounted for no less than four hundred and
    twenty of them by the time I became conscious of their
    existence; although it is possible to hypothesize that these
    deaths, too, had their purpose, since 420 has been, since time
    immemorial, the number associated with fraud, deception and
    trickery. (Comet 2/14/98) Comet's best guess is that this
    refers to something in Indian mythology or numerology, since
    the book is set in India and frequently involves Indian history,
    culture, and religion. Given the high interest in Eastern
    religion among the phish/dead community, this seems a likely
    origin of 420's current significance.
    Temporal Significance: Hands on analog clock at 4:20 look
    like position of doobie dangling from mouth Larry in
    Tuscan and Alex Mack 5/19/99). Disruptive students are out
    of detention and safetly away from school by 4:20, also
    rumored to be the time that you should dose to be peaking
    when the Dead went on stage Hart. The Waldos were a
    group of teens back in the 70's that lived in San Rafael, CA.
    420 was the way they talked about pot in front of teachers,
    non-smoking family members etc. Also it was the time of day
    they could just go relax, and get baked. (PhunkCellar)
    Jamaicans purportedly worked till 4 then walked home then
    lit up. They would talk 420 like our parents talked about after
    5. That's when partying began Larry in Tuscan). Albert (not
    Abbie) Hofmann supposedly first encountered LSD at 4:20
    p.m. on 4/19/1943 (Bart Coleman citing Storming Heaven by
    Jay Stevens, recommended by Mickey Hart in Planet Drum).
    Surrealist painter Miro was born April 20, 1893. And
    www.filmspeed.com says the propoganda film Reefer
    Madness has a copyright date of April 20, 1936 (i.e. 4/20).
    (Patrick Woolford)
    Misc: Could be that it comes from hydroponics, the practice
    of cultivating plants in water often used by indoor marijuana
    cultivators, since 4 is used for H on a calculator (420/H20).
    (Nick Lowe 3/30/00) The number 80 (eight) is quatre vingt
    (pronounced cah-truh vahn), meaning four (times} twenty.
    Dan Nijjar 1/27/00 (No connection yet between the number
    80 and pot. A quarter pound is roughly 120 grams, rounding
    quarter-ounces to 7.5.) The titanic was supposed to arrive
    4/20/1912. (Thanks to RB.) Perhaps the heavy use of vt420
    terminals in the Berkeley area is to blame? (BTW, 420 in
    binary code is 110100100.)

    Ubiquitous?

    Now there's a 420 Pale Ale. One of the late-97/early-98 Got
    Milk ads featured a character eating cookies without milk and
    then passing a sign that reads Next Rest Area 420 miles (as Ross
    Bruning). Reportedly, all of the clocks in the movie Pulp Fiction
    are stuck on 4:20. Shirts with the number 420 on the red-and-blue
    interstate highway shield (Interstate 420?) have show up on the
    sitcom Will and Grace (Paul Risenhoover 5/14/99) and in several
    videos. UPS' labelling software has a 420 postal code legend for
    next-day/2-day deliveries (which is how Phish tickets are sent).
    (Jack Lebowitz 10/3/98) MTV's 1997 Viewer's Choice Award (for
    the MTV Video Awards) was decided by calls to
    1-800-420-4MTV. And by May of 1998, the number was
    appearing in so many ads (eg Copenhagen 5/14/98 Rolling Stone
    p54, Corvette p55 5/98 Car & Driver) that its presence is
    presumed to be intentional. Many songs are around 4 minutes 20
    seconds long (since many songs fall between 2:30 and 5:30),
    including for example Pink Floyd's A Great Day for Freedom (on
    The Division Bell, 1994), the Foo Fighters' My Hero, and
    Smokin' from Boston's first album. There have also been some
    420 references on The Simpsons. In the re-run episode aired on
    April 20th, 1999 at a special time (probably in honor of those
    college students staying in the holiday spirit ;-), Homer mentions to
    Flanders that Barney's birthday is April 20th. Also, the jackpot sign
    in one part of the casino says $420,000. There are a couple less
    concrete ones, but these two have to be legit, especially since they
    decided to air THAT particular episode on 4/20/99. (Submitted by
    Matt Meehan 4/21/99) And (as of Fall '99) the 60 free minutes that
    Working Assets Long Distance offers, at the 7 cents per minute
    rate, is $4.20 free. There's even a band named 420, and another
    names . In the first fifteen pages of Karel Capek's novel War with
    the Newts, a man diving under wonder stayed down for four
    minutes and twenty seconds. Grant Garstka 1/6/00 At the
    suggested retail price ($3.96) and Michigan (6%) sales tax, a deck
    of Uno cards costs $4.20. Nic Boris 4:20 marks the first downbeat
    of the drums in Led Zeppelin's epic Stairway to Heaven. (Dan
    Harris) The bill authorizing force after the World Trade Center
    attacks of 9/11/01 passed 420 to 1, and news reports in following
    months noted many times that there are (or were then, anyway) 420
    airports in the U.S. Allan Morris And don't forget that Adolf Hitler
    was born on April 20, macabely celebrated (or at least
    referenced) via the Columbine High School shootings.

    Phish-related Occurances

    Whatever the origin, the number appears frequently... For the
    summer 1997 tour, TicketMaster service charges were $4.20. In
    the Fall 1997 Doniac Schvice Dry Goods section, a limited edition
    Pollack poster printed on 100% hemp is order number 420P. The
    Great Went was 420 miles from Boston (former home of Phish).
    The official logo includes 4 gills and 20 bubbles (Gringo
    11/12/98). As of 6/15/97, including covers and originals, Phish
    had performed a total of 420 songs (thought its 486 by 4/24/98).
    (David Steinberg). Lawnboy is 420megs of memory. Patrick
    Walker Phish's The Vibration of Life underlies a whirling loop
    with Seven Beats per second (which makes 420 beats per minute.)
    Trey has used the altered line woke up at 4:20 in Makisupa
    Policeman, which also often indirectly celebrates 420ing, e.g. by
    mention of goo balls. One of the funniest shirts around takes light
    jabs at both the 4:20 phenomenon and the rumored evolution
    (collapse?) of the Phish.Net (especially rec.music.phish) from
    being Gamehendge to Flamehendge, and beyond. The first day of
    the Great Went started at 4:20 (with Makisupa Policeman. (The
    second day started late, at 4:37.) Noah Cole The first single from
    Slip Stitch and Pass was played on WBCN 10/14/97 at 4:20 pm.
    An uproar at 12/31/96 can be heard on tape during the 2001, in
    response to an enormous digital clock (which was counting down
    to midnight) reaching 11:55:40 and reading -4:20. (Yoda)
    During the 9-12-00 2001, Trey hits the first riff right at 4:20 into
    the intro jam. (Cal 2/25/01) Some mail order tickets for the 1997
    New Year's run were in section 420. The first Mass Pike toll
    leaving Oswego was $4.20. (Camille Heath ) And the standard
    shipping for The Phish Companion through Amazon was
    originally $4.20.

    420 Shows: Phish performed on April 20 in 1989, 1990, 1991,
    1993, and 1994. The first day of the Great Went started at 4:20,
    although that was called a soundcheck by Trey after three songs.
    The Jazzfest Harry Hood 4-26-96 started at about 4:20 reported by
    Trevor. At Big Cypress, David Bowie was playing at 4:20 a.m.
    And the one event during the hiatus (10/8/00 - ?) featuring all
    four members - for Jason Colton's wedding - was 12/1/01, 420
    from: http://www.phish.net/faq/n420.html:

  38. One immediate advantage: No more booting? by MagnaMark · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Spintronics could mean the end of booting your computer. From the article:

    More sophisticated storage technologies based on spintronics are already at an advanced stage: in the next few years, MRAM (magnetic random-access memory), a new type of computer memory, will go on the market. MRAMs would retain their state even when the power was turned off, but unlike present forms of nonvolatile memory, they would have switching rates and rewritability challenging those of conventional RAM.

    Think about what this means! You will be able to turn off your MRAM computer and when you turn it back on, you won't have to boot it. The computer (its memory) would be in the state in which you left it. Think of how nice that'll be!

    Of course, when Windows crashed everyday, you'd still have to boot it.

    1. Re:One immediate advantage: No more booting? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      except that the rest of your hardware, including the cpu, does not preserve its state when you turn off the machine. so you still have to boot. sorry.

    2. Re:One immediate advantage: No more booting? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kids today....

      Back in the day, that 'Magnetic Ram' was called Core Memory. It came in 8KBytes per board, a board roughly 11"x17"

      What else is new?

    3. Re:One immediate advantage: No more booting? by distributed.karma · · Score: 1
      We've had this in laptops for ages. Of course not with MRAM, but the effect is similar. When the machine is put into sleep, the memory contents are copied into a swap partition, and picked up from there when you start up again.

      Of course something else must be done, for example with CPU registers. Interestingly, MRAM technology also holds the key to 'magnetic CPU' which maintains its state in the same way as MRAM. That way, you have in a single chip, CPU, RAM and harddisk functionality.

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    4. Re:One immediate advantage: No more booting? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So when you reboot a Windoze machine it'll still have the BSoD? Great....

  39. sqrt(!) by BoBaBrain · · Score: 1

    For a fairly detailed overview of quantum computers, see Brian Hayes' article "The Square Root of NOT".

    The mind boggles at the power of a quantum parallel CPU and that's before some smart arse overclocks it.

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    1. Re:sqrt(!) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's a couple of questions: How many gigahertz would a quantum computer run at? And how much could you overclock it?

  40. Quantum computer school by preternatural · · Score: 4, Informative

    Those of you who are interested in the future of alternative computing, including quantum computing, might want to check out Caltech's Computing Beyond Silicon Summer School program. The top minds from around the world will present the latest information about quantum, molecular, and DNA computing.

  41. No more binary... by Pahandav · · Score: 1

    Instead of 0s and 1s we'll have +1/2 and -1/2!

    1. Re:No more binary... by C4v3_7r0ll · · Score: 1

      Actually you are correct. No more binary, but it will be 0, 1 and both 0 and 1 (superimposed).

    2. Re:No more binary... by redog · · Score: 1

      With spin and charge we could do up0 right0 up1 right1 ! Quadral cool I wonder if 56err48k modems will actually be able to do 96k Does this technology allow for the electron to change directions as in up to down and left to right or just the binary up to right?

  42. Editor didn't get it. by Lethyos · · Score: -1, Troll

    "An excellent explanation of a complex subject."

    In otherwords, you didn't understand it. The reason I can make this statement is that the Slashdot editors only make simple, unbiased claims when they have either no interest or no understanding of the subject matter. If the editor in question here had actually read the article and gotten a grasp of its "excellent explanation", I am certain we'd have a prediction about how this will lead to Lain-eque networks and hot-grits, all the while bitching about privacy and fairness in an area of quantum computers. Meanwhile, in another browser window, the editor is bitch-slapping whole threads and black listing users who disagree with them.

    Don't worry, you're not alone. Quantum physics confuses everyone.

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  43. Too Early by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I just got to work here and tried to read that article... My head hurts now...

  44. spintronics == para-magnetic by peter303 · · Score: 2

    Megnetisation is the setting spin. In this technology they are taking about using a very small nmber of spins to do logic and represent data.

  45. My field! by DarkMan · · Score: 5, Informative

    Pun not intended.

    Noticed something in that article - they state that the hard disk read heads use GMR sensors - not quite accurate. They use a single unit spin valve. GMR devices consist of many layers stacked on top of each other, and, more pertinantly, they operate at large magnetic fields. The sensor used have a lower field for peak sensitivity, and the change in resistance in smaller. GMR is conventionally used in the literature to indicate large, multi-layer devices. [0]

    One thing that the article glosses over slightly is the difficulty in construction. Well, it's not so much a dificulty, as a paradigm shift. The metal GMR structures are built vertically onto a substrate, and thus the working current flows perpindicular to the plane of the substrate. This is distinct from traditional semiconductors, where the principle direction of the working current is parrallel to the plane of the substrate.

    The notable exception would be the spin FET, but they've not actually been built yet, so it's a little tricky to comment on.

    One option that the article didn't mention is the possibily of generating a magnetic semi-comductor / metal by using a conventional magnetic insulator (such as NiO, MnO or Fe2O3), and dopeing, or otherwise adjusting the electrical properties [1].

    My research is into combined ab initio and statistical mechanical models of ultra thin films of the magnetic insulators. Particularly interesting is what happens when a two atom thick layer of iron is put over an NiO surface - spin dependant electron transfer, which is interesting. All in all, most of my work is the blue sky / basic building block level.

    My point is that the spintronic devices require a finre degree of control in construction - by thier nature, the magnetic structure is important. Oh, and as a kicker to this, the length scale for a defect in a magnetic lattice is around 20 or so times larger than it's affect on the electrical properties. Additionally, it seems likely (to me) that other routes to mass manufacture may have to be found.

    In other words: These are going to cost more. Not just because they are new, but also because they are inherently more complicated devices that electronic semiconductore devices.

    [0] Well, in PhysRev anyway. IEEE and similar may use a different nomenclature

    [1] My calculations suggest that a layer of NiO 4 formula units thick, or thinner, will be a metal.

  46. nice joke by tps12 · · Score: 2

    That was almost as funny as my joke.

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  47. /.'ed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    can anyone post the article here!!

  48. Re:terminology .. explained by wass · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Electronics use electrons, so spintronics must use...spintrons?

    No, they use Spin-dependent electrons. This is spintronics, in a nutshell.

    Up until now, almost all electronic devices have made use only of the electronic charge. Ie, amplifying it, switching on it, transferring it, etc.

    Well, in a subtle manner, there is spin dependence in the above, due to Pauli exclusion, but that's buried in the quantum statistics.

    Remember the electron is a spin-1/2 fermion, and hence has two possible states for a measure of it's spin in any given direction. Spin is an inherent property of many particles, with no classical analog, but you can think of it roughly as an angular momentum. Spin is quantized, unlike a spinning top. A spinning top is a classical system, which can have any rotational speed from 0 to any positive/negative values. (Negative means opposite direction of spin as a positive value).

    Since the electrons are quantized spin-1/2 particles, there are only two measures of the spin angular momentum that are valid. +-(1/2)hbar where hbar is the Planck constant. Thus, an electron can only spin one way or another, there are no intermediate values (including no zero value, so it's ALWAYS spinning). Also note that this spin doesn't really represent the electron spinning about it's own axis, it's an inherently internal concept that's is actually quite involved.

    These two values of spin of an electron can now be exploited in new devices. Right now the goal is to make devices that can inject electrons of one value of spin, and make transistors that work only for certain values of spin, or preserve spin parity, etc. Quantum computation would work nicely here too because the two states of spin are a good basis for representing a binary digit.

    I haven't read the Scientific American article, so I don't know if I'm just repeating the obvious or not. But I'm a graduate physics student right now, and I hope to eventually work on some applications of spintronics. It is a currently buzzing field with much potential.

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  49. Early drives were *magnetoresistive* ? by awfar · · Score: 1

    "For instance, even the earliest computer hard drives used magnetoresistance--a change in electrical resistance caused by a magnetic field--to read data stored in magnetic domains."

    All earlier practical Hard Drives before the "discovery" of the GMR effect used Electromagnetic heads; wildly different practicalities than GMR heads. They were simple electromagnetic devices mounted on aerodynamic substrates; low impedance, wire wound affairs and definitely NOT magnetoresistive.

    Did I miss something in the spin and magnetism physics relationship??

  50. Re:Use quarks instead! by 56ker · · Score: 2

    Sounds like the perfect chip for spindoctors to use. :)

  51. ...what? by Transcendent · · Score: 1

    ...the possibility of microchips which use the "spin" of an electron to perform their functions.

    I thought that was the basis of quantum computing? At least when I read about it 2 years ago it was..... called a qbit?

  52. Distorsion by michiel.h · · Score: 1

    Everybody is talking about building quantumcomputers, but no one has thought of a way to stop the distorsion that occurs when making an electron spin. The are multiple ways to make it spin, on of them is using a magnetic field. This will influence the electrons nearby. Other methods do have the same effect. There are two ways to deal with this: 1. Find a method that will not create distorsion. So far, no one has been able to come up with a good solution. 2. Compromise the distortion in the software. This will reduce the extra speed, gained by using the quantum mechanics, to almost nothing. Therefor, untill we find a way to make the particles spin in one or two directions without influencing the others, we will not be able to use all the extra speed. Distorsion is not the only problem. The order in which the particles are made to spin will also influence the state of the particles. I didnt' read the article, so if this has been sad already, I'm sorry.

  53. Sooo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When'll linux try to assbackwords enginere the software get a half ass driver and be a mediocre OS at 400x the speed?

  54. Heisenbugs by mysty · · Score: 1

    Only half kidding:

    Imagine that programs
    in a quantum computer can have bugs that
    disappear as soon as you try to observe them.

    In current programming there are sometimes problems that disappear as soon as you try to debug them, the disappearance apparantly caused by the interaction with the debugger program.

    These bugs are called "Heisenbugs".

    It just appeared to me that quantum programs could have actual Heisenbugs.

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