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Interview with Dr. Villanueva

cigarky writes "I think many of us were very impressed by the recent letter of Peruvian Congressman Dr. Edgar David Villanueva Nuñez. Linux Today has a followup interview with more in-depth information."

206 comments

  1. Tragedy averted! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
    The Congressman is getting more and more caught up with the open source and free software movements as time goes by. Villanueva was once invited to an event in Columbia where he was to meet with the Free Software Foundation's Richard Stallman, and to his great disappointment this event had to be cancelled.
    Whew!
  2. Gotta love this guy. by Limburgher · · Score: 3, Funny

    Any chance he'd be willing to run for President in the U.S. in 04?

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    1. Re:Gotta love this guy. by cmdr_beeftaco · · Score: 0

      I am pretty sure you need at least a green card to be president...

    2. Re:Gotta love this guy. by cmdr_beeftaco · · Score: 4, Funny

      Maybe he could get an H1-B visa. It seems likely that there no US citizens that have the skills needed to be Commander-In-Chief.

    3. Re:Gotta love this guy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No can do. Please know your US Constitution. To be President, you have to be at least 35 years old and a *natutal born citizen*. Short of a new amendment, even naturalized citizens cannot be elected President of the US.. all other elected positions (Gov, Senator, Congressman/woman, etc.) are open though.

    4. Re:Gotta love this guy. by zimbu · · Score: 1

      To be President, you have to be at least 35 years old and a *natutal born citizen*.

      Unless of course you were a citizen of the United States at the time the constitution was adopted.

    5. Re:Gotta love this guy. by ComaVN · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      To be President, you have to be at least 35 years old and a *natutal born citizen*.

      So, there's no danger that clones of dubya will rule the USA for the rest of eternity. Guess we're lucky after all.

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    6. Re:Gotta love this guy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gosh, no. Whew!

    7. Re:Gotta love this guy. by mobydobius · · Score: 2

      I'd be willing to change the constitution to get this guy...Wouldn't you? (-:

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    8. Re:Gotta love this guy. by Zathrus · · Score: 1

      All of the early presidents were born in America, so they were natural born citizens (c.f. - http://www.ipl.org/ref/POTUS/).

      I don't know if there was ever any debate about someone born on foreign soil trying to become president in the first 50 years or so, but I suspect that "natural born citizen" would have ruled them out.

      Yes, I know this is offtopic.

    9. Re:Gotta love this guy. by rknop · · Score: 2

      I'd be willing to change the constitution to get this guy...Wouldn't you? (-:

      His birth status may rule him out of being president, but he seems to have a better handle on the ideas behind the US constitution than most of our "legitimately" elected officials.

      -Rob

    10. Re:Gotta love this guy. by zaphod110676 · · Score: 1

      It's funny how some people can't recognize sarcasm when they read it.

      It might be worth an ammendment though. =)

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    11. Re:Gotta love this guy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately, you have to be born a US citizen to be President. Naturalized doesn't count.

    12. Re:Gotta love this guy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "All of the early presidents were born in America, so they were natural born citizens (c.f. - http://www.ipl.org/ref/POTUS/ [ipl.org]).

      I don't know if there was ever any debate about someone born on foreign soil trying to become president in the first 50 years or so, but I suspect that "natural born citizen" would have ruled them out.

      Yes, I know this is offtopic. "

      Actually, not quite true. Taft was born in Ohio while it was still a territory. He wasn't a natualized U.S. citizen. His presidency was illigitimate.

    13. Re:Gotta love this guy. by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 2

      Which is why Strom Thurmond qualifies.

  3. Microsoft will never learn by Black+Aardvark+House · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    The "subsciption model" for software just won't work. There will be a lot of resistance to move from a "buy once" model to a scheme where licenses must be periodically renewed, or a "pay per use" model.

    Microsoft is just trying to extract the extra buck from consumers, which is natural for most corporations. But when your software costs hundreds per copy, people will resist.

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  4. This guy rocks. Too bad he's not an American by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    politician. Oh wait he wouldn't have been elected. We need George Walker to tell us who to vote for.

    Everytime I see a non planned speech by GW I feel like I'm watching an episode of the Osbournes. Sad really.

    1. Re:This guy rocks. Too bad he's not an American by JimmytheGeek · · Score: 1

      In your nightmare, presumably OBL is still at large?

      The current administration has completely eliminated the supposed Republican superiority in foreign policy. W was a draft dodger like Quayle, only he didn't fulfill his National Guard committment. He's a nitwit. Powell is pretty weak - remember, he opposed the Gulf War and was instrumental in prematurely ending it. Rice is not up on the Middle East, which is a leeeeetle bit important now. Top to bottom, poseurs.

    2. Re:This guy rocks. Too bad he's not an American by neocon · · Score: 1

      An interesting assessment. I agree, mostly, with your take on Powell, though I have to say that he's miles beyond Albright (who has made several speeches during the course of this war suggesting that the government is doing too much, not too little).

      On the other hand, I've been quite happy with Rice's performance, and with that of Rumsfeld (whom you didn't find anything to say about).

      As to OBL, I'm much more concerned with the job we've done on the infrastructure which made 9/11 possible than I am with any particular individual who's out there. Find only Bin Laden, and someone will take his place. Crush the al Qaeda infrastructure, and with or without Bin Laden the world will be a lot safer.

      BTW, I assume by your slam on Bush's NG service that you have done more? Or would that not be a safe assumption?

    3. Re:This guy rocks. Too bad he's not an American by neocon · · Score: 0

      I find it amusing that posting `George Bush sucks' is not modded either way, but posting `I disagree' gets a mod as `Flamebait'.

      Let it never be said that /. moderators do not as a whole enforce a particular viewpoint.

    4. Re:This guy rocks. Too bad he's not an American by DThorne · · Score: 1

      Stop being such an ugly american, fer cryin' out loud. You find it surprising/disappointing that there are some smart people in the world that don't come from your particular country? Gawd. Do some reading. Travel. Listening.

    5. Re:This guy rocks. Too bad he's not an American by JimmytheGeek · · Score: 1

      I have not served. Nor have I belittled Clinton for not serving, as the Republicans have done. Notable dodgers include Phil Graham, Pat Buchanan (former repub) and Newt Gingrich, all of whom argued that Clinton was unfit to serve as CIC.

      If a draft dodger is unfit to serve as CIC (as I've heard argued), W and Quayle are not fit. I understand that Quayle at least served out his term, honorably defending our nation's golf courses. They both pulled strings to stay out of harms way and let others do the fighting (and dying). Gore served. Clinton opposed the war in Vietnam - so I find his actions morally consistent. I also find his assessment of American policy at the time correct.

      I think that OBL is important. Simple principles of justice say we nail his hide to a pig stye. His charisma appears to have a galvanizing effect on his followers, and the fact that he may still be at large makes him heroic and the US look bad.

      9/11 vindicated the notion of nation building, to some extent. Without a chaotic non-country to sit in, the terrorist infrastructure wouldn't have been built there. The places OBL may have gone (or his successors) include Somalia, the Sudan, Pakistan, and Yemen. All have ineffective or non-existent central government control over territory.

  5. Beautiful by inkfox · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Perú's youth continue to approach Villanueva, offering to march in support of the Bill: "It is the youth that needs to drive its creativity, its intelligence, its intellect ... there are many young people that can create their own employment through [the use] of free software."
    Beautiful. "there are many young people that can create their own employment" thanks to free software.

    When you hear people complaining that free (as in beer) software is going to cost programmers jobs or cut their salary, or that free software will send us into an economic tailspin, remember this: Both free (as in speech) and free (as in beer) software are making technological revolutions possible in places where it just couldn't happen otherwise. And you can bet that we're going to see good stuff (more software!) starting to flow back the other way.

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    1. Re:Beautiful by inkfox · · Score: 2, Interesting
      i am pretty sure the only reason this guy posted is because he likes to say "free (as in beer)"
      You got me. I am all about free beer. :)

      Actually, I wish there were a better term to differentiate between the two. "Free open source" versus "public domain open source" versus "public domain" versus... gah. "Free software" may have been an unfortunate choice of wording, but we'd need something like a permissions mask to cover all the possibilities:

      "Oh, frobjazzer is 754." "So the author can do anything, friends can edit and redistribute, but strangers can only redistribute?" "No, that'd be a 732 license. Bit 2 is reselling." "Oh! So MS would be 711?" "No - MS is 700, and requires a hard drive that won't let you chown..." "Oh ho..."

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    2. Re:Beautiful by 56ker · · Score: 2

      "there are many young people that can create their own employment through [the use] of free software" - so what will they be doing then - working for the government or something else?

    3. Re:Beautiful by sheldon · · Score: 2

      I'll be convinced when I start seeing a large contribution to free software by nations who do not take part in the G7 economic summit.

      Until then it appears to be nothing more than pro bono work resulting from wealth created by an already well established commercial industry.

      One can make the same claim of benefit to poorer nations as when the US drug companies give pills away for free. It certainly does benefit the poorer nations, but it is because the drug companies subsidized this cost with profits made off wealthy US citizens.

    4. Re:Beautiful by RobNich · · Score: 2

      ...nothing more than pro bono work resulting from wealth created by an already well established commercial industry...

      But that is the whole point. The majority of developers in OSS work for companies which use OSS. This means that they benefit from the improvements that they make, as well as the improvements that all other companies are making.

      Which means that it is NOT 'pro bono', it is sound business. They share their work on those specific packages they don't want to write from scratch, and everyone else shares theirs, everyone involved is MUCH better off. The companies have more valuable products they can sell with support (since they have programmers on staff familiar with the software to support it), the customers have their choice of vendor for roughly equivalent software, and service and support improve as a result.

      There is not a single bad result that I can see here. Hmm. Come to think of it, you should READ THE LETTER. Hmm. Me too.

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  6. BREAKING NEWS by phunhippy · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Today it was announced Stallman is boycotting linuxtoday.com until it changes its name to the "correct" gnulinuxtoday.com and now recoomends everyone use Windows in protest until this change is made across the GNU/Linux world!

  7. Re:correction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Need to check your understanding of Spanish surnames. Article is correct.

  8. Lets write him in by techstar25 · · Score: 3, Funny

    If every Slashdot reader wrote him in on the ballot, he would end up with more votes than Ross Perot.

    1. Re:Lets write him in by cmdr_beeftaco · · Score: 2, Funny

      Are you kidding, the way Slashdot readers spell he would be lucky to get a single vote. Earlier post couldn't even figure out his last name...

  9. Ah yes by NiftyNews · · Score: 1

    Oh yes, the Peruvian Congressman's letter, how could I forget?

    It reminded me a lot of that recent Mexican treatice on excellent no-background slashdot subject descriptions.

    1. Re:Ah yes by Elphin · · Score: 1

      Oh come on, this was a big story just two weeks ago....

      Slashdot:
      http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/05/06/173924 4&mode=thread&tid=109

      The Register:
      http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/25157.html

  10. Considering Microsoft's Position on their own OS by Domasi · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think this recent post would reasure not only Dr. Edgar David Villanueva Nuñez position but the rest of the Open Source advocates that a secure OS is needed. Would you install a OS when it's creators tell you it is not secure?

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  11. Re:Considering Microsoft's Position on their own O by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How did i know this was coming..oh i knew it and called it first here!

    I can see this security comment happen over and over again...sigh..

  12. I'm moving to Peru by sofist · · Score: 0

    when we get the EU DMCA... It has nice climate, nice pepole and nice laws... special dose about OS

    1. Re:I'm moving to Peru by robinjo · · Score: 2

      Peru is far from a paradise, I'm afraid:

      Kidnappings, murders, armed robberies, and drug-related crime remain serious problems, especially in Lima. Corruption is deep-seated in the police and security forces. Despite the near-destruction of the left-wing Sendero Luminoso guerrillas, main cities frequently have curfews and those who can afford it protect themselves with high-security homes and armed guards.

    2. Re:I'm moving to Peru by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and a bullet in your head gringo

    3. Re:I'm moving to Peru by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dear God! That sounds just like California! Oracle pay offs for government deals. 'Enlightened' Actors who feel compelled to take aways the masses guns, but feel very comfortable hiring their own private armies for protection (Sharon Stone, Rosie O'Donnel, etc). Corruption & abuse of power by the LAPD. State government screwed up the electrical system. Yeah, we're so much better off than Peru.

  13. The Bill by oever · · Score: 1

    Is the text of the Bill proposed by Dr. Villanueva available on-line in English?
    I'd like to see their definition of free software.

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    1. Re:The Bill by TrixX · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Try here..

      Actually, this is the text of a bill proposed in Argentina, but it is almost identical (to the point of s/Argentina/Peru/g). The free software deffinition used in both is the same.

    2. Re:The Bill by oever · · Score: 2, Informative

      e) Free program (software) is any which use gives the user, without an additional price, the following rights:
      d.1) unrestricted execution of the program for any purpose.
      d.2) unrestricted access to its source code
      d.3) exhaustive inspection of all internal operating mechanisms of the program.
      ...


      Very good: patents are not allowed for government software!
      But, hmm, hat does rule d.3 mean?

      This is also interesting:
      g) Open data format is any digital information coding method that meets the following conditions:
      g.1) its complete technical documentation is publicly available.
      g.2) the source code for at least one complete reference implementation is publicly available.
      g.3) there are no restrictions for writing programs that store, transmit, receive or access data codified this way.


      So a standard is not an open format until there is an open source implementation. This means a lot of the stuff by w3.org is not an open format!

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    3. Re:The Bill by DebtAngel · · Score: 1

      Well, what's the point of adopting an open standard, if your mandated open software can't....wait for it now....open it?

      *collective groan*

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    4. Re:The Bill by jsfetzik · · Score: 1

      But, hmm, hat does rule d.3 mean?

      I would guess it is to address things like embedded binary code. Thus it is not 'free' if you create a binary loader and then have a bunch or precompiled code as text.

      It might also be meant to restrict the use of linked libraries. If all your 'free' source code does is link to a bunch of closed source libraries it defeats the whole purpose.

  14. Minor pedantic point on N��ez's name by Kiwi · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Minor pedantic point: His second last name is Núñez, not Nuñez.

    More important point: I am glad he wrote the letter; I can now explain to all my friends in México why Linux is important by having them read the original Spanish version of his letter.

    - Sam

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  15. Interesting background, little interview by Jeppe+Salvesen · · Score: 4, Insightful
    While the background information on the writing process of his now famous letter is intriguing, as well as the fact that this guy is a lawyes who has been with the OSS crowd for 6 years, I would have liked more eloquence directly from the horses mouth.


    What intrigues me about the entire software industry, is that they charge relatively different prices around the work. In Europe, a copy of XP is maybe 1 week of average pay. In inner Africa, a copy of XP runs well into the months. Asking companies there to pay full price is plain ridiculous. When I'm rich and famous at 35, I'll go to Africa to teach them how to unleash the then awe-inspiring power of the Penguin. Hopefully, I'll be many years too late.

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    1. Re:Interesting background, little interview by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      can the penguin build a roof over their head? does the red hat distro install running water? i am sure your time could be better spent. the answer to africa's problems is not a beuwolf cluster of linux server so they help out with seti proejct...

    2. Re:Interesting background, little interview by BritInParis · · Score: 1

      read about the hole in the wall: http://www.niitholeinthewall.com/kiosk.htm http://www.greenstar.org/butterflies/Hole-in-the-W all.htm

    3. Re:Interesting background, little interview by xtremex · · Score: 1

      How come after 7,000 years or so of Human existance, Africa STILL needs OUR help in getting runnign water???? Name one thing that has come out of Africa in the past 500 years that has benefited mankind?

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    4. Re:Interesting background, little interview by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Name one thing that has come out of Africa in the past 500 years that has benefited mankind?


      WELL, THE SLAVES WERE USEFULL, UNTILL THEY STARTED GETTING UPPITY.

    5. Re:Interesting background, little interview by MdeG · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How come after 7,000 years or so of Human existance, Africa STILL needs OUR help in getting runnign water

      africa had running water for more of those 7000 years than anyone else did.

      Name one thing that has come out of Africa in the past 500 years that has benefited mankind?

      Well I suppose the US includes mankind, and slavery certainly benefited the new world.

      A solid corpus of study suggests that thats also the answer to your first question.

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    6. Re:Interesting background, little interview by xtremex · · Score: 2

      Most people would not consider Ancient Egypt as part of Sub-Saharan Africa. In answer to the second part of your comment, Egypt had black slaves as well.
      If you consider "slaves" as benefitting mankind, practically every culture has had slaves (due to war and occupation). Actually, slavery is still going on in this country on a grander scale in the form of indentured servants. Look at the state of the H1B visa. That's servitude if you ask me. Go to projectusa.org and see how these people are being taken advantage of.

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    7. Re:Interesting background, little interview by Jeppe+Salvesen · · Score: 2

      So, I'll let your obvious fundamental faith in Christianity slip by - humans have been around for much longer than 7000 years. Let's see what's happened to Africa in the past 500 years?

      Oh. Colonialism. Slave trading. Infighting. I'm not saying they behaved better pre-whites, but we sure haven't made it any easier for them to prevail. We introduce concepts like nations, but draws the borders according to river streams and just using a ruler if we can't find a proper river to use, disregarding any socio-political matters like tribes. We borrow them money, but will not buy their produce. We still get more money from them by interest than we give them in terms of aid. So, without our so-called help they might be have been able to arrange running water for themselves.

      That being said, anthropologists theorize that the reasons why the west has come to rule is bad weather and winter. In Africa, it was for a long time relatively feasible to live hand-to-mouth. They didn't have cold, cold winters where food got scarce. They didn't have overpopulation that required ever increasing levels of food output. Being too organized in terms of housing might have proven a disadvantage when there was confrontation. Lots of theories.

      So, if we had been invaded by space aliens who used us for dumb labor force, oppressed us, and made Al Qaeda share a country with republicans, would you really expect us to produce a lot of good for the benefit of mankind?

      By the way, the Sierra Leone elections give me hope. Holding democratic, peaceful elections after 10 years of civil war is an inspiration. Maybe they just benefitted mankind in terms of inspiration? ;)

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    8. Re:Interesting background, little interview by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 2
      It will be people in Africa who are able to use current technologies who will solve the problems of food distribution, housing and the like. And much of the reason for the problems of hunger and disease are due to problems of politics, infrastructure, logistics, and knowledge, anyway.

      Should we stop supporting the arts in the US because there are still homeless people here? Should we stop helping the homeless people because there are victims of domestic violence in the US?

      Technology doesn't solve everything, but people who are using technology usually solve more problems than people who aren't.

    9. Re:Interesting background, little interview by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I'll ignore the hamfisted, blockheaded admixture of arrogance, ignorance, and crudity that informs your post - the idea of thinking of a continent in such ridiculous terms as you postulate - and answer the question in two very simple ways:

      First, Africa is mankind, at least a goodly part of it. So, it benefits mankind by continuing to exist. The fact that you measure its value only by the things it gives to the rest of humanity is like valueing your neighbors only to the extent that they work on your yard.

      Second, I will name one thing right off the top of my head: my old linguistics professor, Sam Machombo. He was a very good linguistics professor. Like hundreds of thousands of intelligent, generous, hard-working Africans, he contributed just by being who he was and doing a good job of it.

    10. Re:Interesting background, little interview by xtremex · · Score: 1

      7,000 or 50,000, it was an arbitrary number.
      So , you're saying that the WHITE man has surpressed the African continent? You must've gotten your communist, liberal point-of-view from the biased US University system.
      While Sierra Leone may have had a peaceful election, tell me their GNP. BTW, I have a Anthropology degree (Anthopology/Linguistics), and that Anthropolgy statistic you quoted is used in Neo-Nazi literature as an aid to prove white superiority. I personally don't think climate is the reason why Africa is backwards, but the standing belief is that cultures which inhabit temperate climates are more advanced.

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    11. Re:Interesting background, little interview by xtremex · · Score: 0, Troll

      I have a Linguistics degree. How does what your Niger-Congo or Kordofanian professor said have any relevance? The US University system has been implanting hippie communist ideals into our youth for 2 decades.I never said that individuals from Africa have not contributed. I just said that the Sub-Saharan portion of Africa have not contributed anything to mankind in the past 500-1000 years. I see that you didn't disagree with me.

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    12. Re:Interesting background, little interview by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 2
      Portions of continents don't contribute anything except raw materials. People contribute. What counts as a contribution to you? Literature (Chinua Achebe)? Music (Fela Kati)? If you mean technology and only technology, then what you are saying is the very uninspired and uninteresting observation that many other parts of the world have more research labs than Sub-Saharan Africa does. I'd call that a big DUH, and still say, "so what?"

      As far as my professor went, he happened to be a professor who worked in syntax and morphology across a wide range of language, particularly English - assuming that his work was on African languages, when you'd never assume a white linguist kept his work to his own native language, is pretty fucked up.

      Where do you have your degree from, anyway? The bottom of a Cracker Jack box?

    13. Re:Interesting background, little interview by thornist · · Score: 1

      I almost modded you down as a troll, but that wouldn't be fair - its a valid question.

      Try blues, jazz, soul, rhythm'n'blues, reggae - all are deeply influenced by African styles and rhythms, and came largely from the Africans taken to the West as slaves.

      And really that's just a start - a huge number of beneficial things have come out of my home country of South Africa - the inspiration and hope of the successful struggle over apartheid springs to mind - and many smaller normal contributions just like any decent country. And I'm sure people from other African states would argue the same.

      Pah - maybe you were just trolling in which case - well done, I bit :)

    14. Re:Interesting background, little interview by thornist · · Score: 1

      That being said, anthropologists theorize that the reasons why the west has come to rule is bad weather and winter. In Africa, it was for a long time relatively feasible to live hand-to-mouth. They didn't have cold, cold winters where food got scarce. They didn't have overpopulation that required ever increasing levels of food output. Being too organized in terms of housing might have proven a disadvantage when there was confrontation. Lots of theories.

      There's an excellent book on this subject called Guns, Germs and Steel by Jared Diamond. He goes through a whole series of hypotheses to debunk the popular myth that non-Europeans are biologically inferior (I know that wasn't what you were arguing).

      It's more complex than just climate, for instance Diamond argues that the east-west orientation of the Eurasian landmass allowed agriculture to spread easily once it had developed in the "fertile crescent" of the middle east, whereas the north-south orientations of Africa and the Americas hindered any such migration due to significantly different climates as one moves away from or towards the equator.

    15. Re:Interesting background, little interview by thornist · · Score: 1

      I think this shows a very limited understanding of Africa. Sure housing and water supply are important issues, here in South Africa as well as elsewhere on the continent. But many African countries also have a sophisticated infrastructure that is supported by IT. In many ways I regard dependence on Microsoft software as a form of cultural imperialism, and to some extent economic. We need to be free of fundamental dependence on foreign corporations.

    16. Re:Interesting background, little interview by xtremex · · Score: 2

      I wasn't trolling...anyway, now that S. Africa got rid or Apartheid, it is now the rape capital of the world....These are facts they don't teach you in University.
      You do have a point about blues however...although both Blues and Jazz are American creations, inspired by Africa.

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    17. Re:Interesting background, little interview by thornist · · Score: 1

      Yes, South Africa has some heavy duty problems to deal with post-apartheid: rape as you say is a huge problem (I have a close friend who has suffered), as is AIDS and having a neighbour like Zimbabwe. However there's a huge amount to be inspired about here too, the amount of grassroots enthusiasm for addressing the country's problems and building the future is outstanding.

      As regards music - sure, Blues and Jazz came from African-Americans. Two things - firstly there's also a some incredibly beautiful music around in Africa itself, just you won't have been exposed to it as much. Just here in Cape Town there's some stunning music being produced by the likes of African Dope.

      Secondly I wanted to make the point that if you are looking at the last 500 years of African history, and the contributions of Africa to the world you have to look beyond the geographical continent because vast numbers of Africans were kidnapped and taken elsewhere.

    18. Re:Interesting background, little interview by xtremex · · Score: 2

      The answer is who developed (that which matters) in
      true improvements for the human condition. I listed 7
      areas (in order of importance). Technology is not
      alone, but ranks #3 of 7. The list is below
      1) Enlightened Humanism. This resulted in individual
      rights, requiring limits on government.
      2) Government and Justice systems (quality &
      fairness).
      3) The scientific method. Pure Science and applied
      science(technology).
      4) Commerce & Infrastructure. This puts products &
      services into the hands of society and
      individuals.
      5) Philosophy
      6) Literature
      7) Not all music is equal. Is rap equal to Mozart?

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  16. Re:Funniest geek joke evar! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And, to further supplement my correction of your screwup, 31 in base 16 does not equal 25 in base ten, but 31 in base 8 does.

    You really, really need to check over your jokes. Copy it correctly next time, and you will get upvoted by me!

  17. Interview? by rot26 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I didn't see an interview.

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  18. PERU 0WNZ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's amusing that the US thinks of themselves and Europe as the only foward areas of the globe.

    Look at Peru. Though a little fascist, look at Brasil. Wonderful places, forward thinking. Let's hope the US doesn't bomb the fuck out of them for MIcrosoft.

    1. Re:PERU 0WNZ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      from the post:
      too bad a wheelbarrow filled with last week's pay is worthless

      This is what white Christains tell each other to prop up their own esteem. While the blow is cheap, pretty clean too, the wheelbarrow analogy is ridiculous. Argentina, maybe. Not Peru. Even in post WWII Germany, where it is used extensively, the wheelbarrow analogy off base.

      So much depends on the red wheelbarrow, beside the chickens, glazed with blow.
    2. Re:PERU 0WNZ by xtremex · · Score: 0, Troll

      Too bad Peru is a third world country. If it's such a great country, how come half the population of Peru lives in my neighborhood?

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    3. Re:PERU 0WNZ by cmdr_beeftaco · · Score: 1

      dude you need a better job.

  19. Re:Considering Microsoft's Position on their own O by ccady · · Score: 2, Insightful

    > Would you install a OS when it's creators tell you it is not secure? It is precisely *because* people are willing to accept that Linux (and no software) is totally secure, that I use it. Would you install an OS when it's creators tell you it IS secure, but they keep releasing "critical updates"?

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  20. Re:You messed it up by ComaVN · · Score: 1

    I think he meant to mess up :P

    What I'm concerned about, is why you think the error is that Hex isn't a month: I'd say the math error is far worse for a nerd than messing up something as trivial as the identifiers for 0..11

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  21. Peruvian Facts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    from the CIA World Factbook

    Ancient Peru was the seat of several prominent Andean civilizations, most notably that of the Incas whose empire was captured by the Spanish conquistadores in 1533. Peruvian independence was declared in 1821, and remaining Spanish forces defeated in 1824. After a dozen years of military rule, Peru returned to democratic leadership in 1980, but experienced economic problems and the growth of a violent insurgency. President Alberto FUJIMORI's election in 1990 ushered in a decade that saw a dramatic turnaround in the economy and significant progress in curtailing guerrilla activity. Nevertheless, the president's increasing reliance on authoritarian measures and an economic slump in the late 1990s generated mounting dissatisfaction with his regime. FUJIMORI won reelection to a third term in the spring of 2000, but international pressure and corruption scandals caused him to resign in November of that year. A caretaker government oversaw new elections in the spring of 2001, which ushered in Alejandro TOLEDO as the new head of government.

  22. Priority for Peru OSS support by originalhack · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Since most of us don't vote in Peru, all of us in the OSS community should pay special attention to any requests for tech assistance from Peruvian sources.

    Spread the word.

  23. Little steps at a time .... by forged · · Score: 1
    From the article's links:
    • http://www.congreso.gob.pe/organizacion/comisiones . asp

    Let's hope that some day they will get rid of the .asp bit, and implement PHP instead ! :)

    1. Re:Little steps at a time .... by cmdr_beeftaco · · Score: 1

      php translated into spanish is actually asp.
      it is also worth noting that "open source software" translated from spanish means literally "the expensive stuff mr.gates sells"
      not sure what all the fuss is about...

    2. Re:Little steps at a time .... by jbn-o · · Score: 1

      The fuss regarding the phrase "open source" has to do with using the name of the wrong movement to talk about what Dr. Villanueva refers to in his letter. Early on in the letter he corrects the Microsoft rep's use of the term, telling Microsoft he is speaking of Free Software, not Open Source. There is a big difference between the two movements.

    3. Re:Little steps at a time .... by gfim · · Score: 1

      We argued about this when then original Slashdot article came out. I let your reply go then but you keep saying it so I'm going to have another try.

      I know that the letter says "free software" and I know that the letter corrects Microsoft when they say "open source". However, if you read the bill (and the rest of the letter for that matter), you'll see that it describes perfectly OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE.

      e) Free program (software) is any which use gives the user, without an additional price, the following rights:
      d.1) unrestricted execution of the program for any purpose.
      d.2) unrestricted access to its source code
      d.3) exhaustive inspection of all internal operating mechanisms of the program.
      d.4) use of internal mechanisms and of any arbitrary part of the program, to adapt it to user needs.
      d.5) production and public distribution of copies of the program
      d.6) modification of the program and free redistribution of these modifications and of the resulting program under the same conditions of the original program.

      See how there's no mention of any obligation to redistribute the modified source. They must have the right to do so but there is no requirement to do so.

      Graham

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  24. Stallman won't meet with him until... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... they change the name of the country to GNU/Peru (or PerGNU).

  25. all documents by direwolf+puppy · · Score: 2, Informative

    More coverage on this entire topic here

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  26. I read the letter again, and it doesn't lose any by lww · · Score: 1

    of it's original bang. Seriously, I hope someday we can look back on this as a defining moment in the history of the open source movement... wouldn't that be cool? Even cooler, to be able to tell your grandkids, "Yep, I was there and here's what I did..."

    Okay, and at the risk of offending any tender PC sensitivities out there (whoops, this is /. never mind), every time I read the letter I get the urge to shout "Viva la revolucion!" ;)

  27. The Internet is so cool by sam_handelman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is all a real blow to my cynicism.

    People say "the internet will change the way the world works!" and I say "yeah, right", because people who say that sort of thing (often involving the non-word "paradigm") don't even know what a packet is. "It's shifted the whole paradigm for the sex movie industry", I say derisively.

    Well, this, and by this I mean the whole imbroglio where Dr. Villanueva is now the cause celebre of the open source movement, could never have happened without all that international packet switching, and the culture that has grown up around it, and this is very significant.

    This isn't a fake economic event - like stock quotes. This isn't a manufactured cultural event with no social or political relevance - like the pop music we're swapping. This isn't the sophistry of most modern political news which is nothing more than the latest lies to promote your own self interest.

    This is real and genuine and the internet has made it possible.

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    1. Re:The Internet is so cool by Elbereth · · Score: 2

      The internet didn't make it possible. This is simple file swapping, information sharing, and press releases.

      The printing press, telegraph, telephone, radio, and organized mail delivery caused revolutionary changes. The internet is just incremental or even incidental, except in very few circumstances. This is not really one of them.

      You haven't become cynical enough. Maybe in another five years or so. True cynicism knows no bounds.

      BTW, watch out for nihilism. It sneaks up on you once you've become truly cynical.

    2. Re:The Internet is so cool by kindbud · · Score: 2

      BTW, watch out for nihilism. It sneaks up on you once you've become truly cynical.

      No, it doesn't. Never has, never will. Things never change.

      True cynicism knows no bounds.

      You're only into "pretend" cynicism. True cynicism doesn't give a shit.

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    3. Re:The Internet is so cool by jbn-o · · Score: 1
      Well, this, and by this I mean the whole imbroglio where Dr. Villanueva is now the cause celebre of the open source movement...

      Please make the effort to use the term Free Software (not "open source") when referring to the movement referred to in the letter. The bill and the letter all refer to only Free Software. The Open Source movement stands for something quite different.

  28. Write YOUR elected reps -- now! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    When this story broke. A lot of people made comments like: ' I wish we had government officials who were as clueful.' I took that as a clue to write to my elected reps and fill them in on the scoop and also mandate that free software be used over proprietary here in the U.S. You should consider doing the same. Let us make our reps accountable for the IT infrastructure used to do governement business.

    1. Re:Write YOUR elected reps -- now! by Elbereth · · Score: 3, Funny

      Oh yeah, that's going to work.

      "Deer Congresman,

      Please stop using Micro$uck's software in the federel stuff. GNU/LINUX ROX!! Like that letter in Peru. They got it write!

      Sinceerly,
      Anonymous Coward

      p.s. BAN MICRO$HAFT!!!!"

  29. Re:Why I don't like Villanueva by tomdarch · · Score: 1

    While this AC uses florid, if correct, English, (s)he speaks as though (s)he is Peruvian. Is this correct? Perhaps AC hasn't read the Congressman's letter? If AC is referring to the same Dr. Villanueva, would AC like to cite specifics, and perhaps links to news stories that explain his/her seemingly bizzare comments? Who, specifically, are the persons of "impeccable character" who were "smear[ed]" by his comments? I missed the "invectives," and the "gnosticism." Is it a "conflation of reckless psychics" to say that a nation state should not trust a 'black box' system for national security? Particularly if the 'black box' is produced by a massive, foreign corporation with a track record of criminal behavior and negligence with regards to security? Perhaps AC would like to explain the reference to "the most vulnerable in our society"? I think that it is far more likely that AC is an employee or stockholder of MS than Michael Moore.

  30. Correct me if im wrong... by lyberth · · Score: 1

    Its been a long while, so it might not be so, but isn't Villanueva Pippi Longstockings house?

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    1. Re:Correct me if im wrong... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, thats "Villa Villekulla", at least in swedish. RIP Astrid Lindgren.

  31. When you wish upon a star.......... by Ride-My-Rocket · · Score: 1

    I wish this guy was an element in the US government. Instead, we're stuck with Fritz "Freling" Hollings' caricature of how technology can / should be used to serve his supposed constituents. Which is laughable at best, since it seems to be more focused on eviscerating digital rights /privacy and handing them out to corporations wholesale.

    Good to see digital democracy is alive and well in Peru. Sorry I can't say the same about things back home, though........

  32. Merely "very impressed"? by tomdarch · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The Doctor's letter is more than impressive. His point by point rebuttal of Microsoft's falacies was both thorough and consise. He clearly called out the internal contradictions that are so common in Microsoft's arguments. I was stunned by how well he made his points. For anyone who hasn't read it, regardless of your position on the issue, you should.

    1. Re:Merely "very impressed"? by Elbereth · · Score: 2

      It was well written, but it wasn't anything that I haven't seen before. You never wrote (or read?) a long message on UseNet in comp.os.linux.advocacy?

      Granted, I did most of my best flame-baiting (youthful indescetions), essay-length rebuttals, and such many years ago (well before the Attack of the Spammers), but you can probably still dig up some good stuff from UseNet even now.

      The guy gets attention because he's a Very Important Person, not because he's a great writer.

  33. Re:Why I don't like Villanueva by bhv · · Score: 1

    Lets see......posted as AC....hummmm! Either M$ employee or M$ investor. I recommend you dump your M$ interests and get over it.

  34. Re:You messed it up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, but I didn't catch that error until I read through it a second time. =( I'm slacking, I know.

    I did, however, post that correction just after my first. =D

  35. FSF mtg. cancelled by slow_flight · · Score: 5, Funny

    Villanueva was once invited to an event in Columbia where he was to meet with the Free Software Foundation's Richard Stallman, and to his great disappointment this event had to be cancelled.

    They refused to re-name the country GNU/Columbia.

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    1. Re:FSF mtg. cancelled by tommck · · Score: 2
      Since I can not currently moderate, I must say "Bravo!". This gave me a nice hardy laugh.

      To those who can moderate (and have a sense of humor), please mod this up! (the parent post)

      T

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    2. Re:FSF mtg. cancelled by jonathanjo · · Score: 3, Informative
      Villanueva was once invited to an event in Columbia where he was to meet with the Free Software Foundation's Richard Stallman, and to his great disappointment this event had to be cancelled.

      Columbia South Carolina or Columbia Maryland? I hope Villanueva meets with Senator Hollings!

      And what's Villanueva doing in North America? Don't they have Free Software events in places like Colombia?

    3. Re:FSF mtg. cancelled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually the event wasnt cancelled it was just postponed to take place sometime after the upcoming presidential elections in Colombia which happen to be next sunday.

    4. Re:FSF mtg. cancelled by proyZ · · Score: 1

      Actually the event wasnt cancelled it was just postponed to take place sometime after the upcoming presidential elections in Colombia which happen to be next sunday.

    5. Re:FSF mtg. cancelled by Jeppe+Salvesen · · Score: 1

      GNU/Colombia or Colombia of the Wilderbeest?

      I think the GNU name is silly, when you could have an awesome name like Wilderbeest. Same logo, awesome name. RMS - you read this?

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    6. Re:FSF mtg. cancelled by peddrenth · · Score: 1

      Maybe Peru can be the new nation of Humorix where we all live safe from the US laws (entrance requirements: no formal law schooling). You might even persuade Alan Cox to visit for conferences if it's not in America ;-)

    7. Re:FSF mtg. cancelled by Bodrius · · Score: 2

      I wonder what is the opinion of Stallman with respect to the Bill and the letter?

      Will he be as enthusiastic about it as everyone else seems to be? Or will he complain about the use of "open source" terminology and limited freedoms?

      Will he praise Villanueva's efforts? Or will he complain that the Bill is not named GNU/1609?

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  36. Slashdot Interview by Johnny+Mnemonic · · Score: 5, Interesting


    How about a Slashdot interview with this guy? I haven't know many politicians to shy from another couple million eyeballs regarding their pet project, even if it comes from non-constituents.

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    1. Re:Slashdot Interview by Rams�s+Morales · · Score: 1

      I totally back this up.

      I'm from Panamá. My government has its head inside its but. They beleive Microsoft is the Mesiah, the saviour of the opressed and the poor.

      More information from another latin american country could help people to wake up.

      Interview!!!

    2. Re:Slashdot Interview by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "How about a Slashdot interview with this guy?"

      How about you find a hundred slashdotters who can speak spanish?

  37. You say N��ez, I say the best I can by Bastian · · Score: 2

    'cos I'll be jiggered if I can figure out how to get any international characters out of my Linux box w/ a US 101-key.

    1. Re:You say N��ez, I say the best I can by Kiwi · · Score: 1
      I've written a HOWTO on this topic:

      http://www.samiam.org/typing.spanish.characters.ht ml

      - Sam

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  38. Re:It's the return software that I'm worried about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You pussy.

  39. Re:Let's write him in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unlikely. SlashDot readers don't vote because voting is for losers. They prefer to play fascist video games on their computers.

  40. Re: He IS an american by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Last time I checked, Peru was in America.

  41. Not really. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I catch the most disturbing Bush sayings simply watching CSPAN. Not sound bytes. And in case you missed it Bush only won the electorate not the popular vote. Pathetic really. I'm surprised you didn't try to blame the terrorist attacks on Clinton. Besides 7 years of growth and prosperity is enough for any nation. We had to get back to fucking the poor for the benefit of the rich. BTW I probably pay more in taxes than you make a year and have no problem with social problems. That is because I'm not a hypocrite about say one thing and do another like the Christian Right.
    Saying: "Help thy neighbor"
    Reality: Give the rich a unnecessary tax cut so the VP won't have to pay as much in taxes after he leaves office for another "pay back of favors" job. Cut social programs because they are just lazy.

    It's easy to be Republican when your on your high horse. I sure hope you never need any of those social programs (medicare, medicaid, social security...) because everyone knows social programs are evil and just promote laziness. God forbid helping someone in need. Maybe your grandparents or parents should give up their social security checks and medicare benefits. Oh yeah, that's right noone is for social programs until they need help.

    1. Re:Not really. by neocon · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Well, I'd like to speak to a few points here:

      Bush only won the electorate not the popular vote. -- which is a fancy way of saying `I think the (rich, generally left-leaning) large coastal states should get to decide who the new president is single handedly'. Our founding fathers felt differently, and thus established the electoral college to ensure that a candidate would need a broad base of support and not just the popular vote to become president.

      Give the rich a unnecessary tax cut -- we probably don't have time to go into the economics of why cutting taxes creates more jobs, and thus helps people at all levels of society, but I would like to point out that far from being solely a Republican idea, this fact was well recognized by JFK, who pushed his tax-cut in very similar terms to the current round of cuts. As to `for the rich', I suggest you look at the economics of these cuts -- almost all were in areas like the estate tax and middle-income-brackets which the rich don't pay anyway, but which middle class businessmen shoulder the burden of.

      As to helping people in need, well we've all seen how the Republican welfare reforms of 1996, which I give Clinton credit for signing, have resulted in more improvement in the number of people getting off welfare and into work than any of the programs of the previous 30 years. Of course, you'll have to decide for yourself whether when you say `help people' you mean `keep them on welfare' or `help them get a job and return to society.' I see the latter as much more helpful.

    2. Re:Not really. by xtremex · · Score: 2

      I am not a republican, but I AM conservative. Similar, but very different. I am a proponenet of patriotism. American Citizens first. Anti-GLOBALIST companies. Anything that goes against the true meaning of America. I've always said a liberal is a person who's never been robbed :) Democrats should support the Green party (nader) and republicans should support Buchanan.

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    3. Re:Not really. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "we probably don't have time to go into the economics of why cutting taxes creates more jobs, and thus helps people at all levels of society"

      Well you spent enough time on other right-wing rubbish so you might as well have given us your skewed view on economics.
      In Europe they generally use taxes to support such things as the health service - which helps ALL members of society...

    4. Re:Not really. by neocon · · Score: 1

      Well you spent enough time on other right-wing rubbish so you might as well have given us your skewed view on economics.

      It's comments like this that leave one with the impression that leftism is much less a reasoned system of beliefs than it is a religious movement. The fact that many on the left are willing to dismiss and insult opposing viewpoints rather than disagree with them civilly does not bode well for the future of civil discourse in this country and the world.

      In Europe they generally use taxes to support such things as the health service - which helps ALL members of society...

      Except that it doesn't. Instead it results in things like France's 12% (!) unemployment rate, or the crime waves which have made Paris in London each significantly more dangerous than New York for the last half decade or so.

      To pick an example, were Sweden, which is often praised by the left for it's high tax rates and massive social welfare programs, to become the 51st state of the US, it would not only be the state with the poorest standard of living in the US, but Swedes as an ethnic group would be the group with the poorest standard of living -- see here for details.

    5. Re:Not really. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... which is a fancy way of saying `I think the (rich, generally left-leaning) large coastal states should get to decide who the new president is single handedly'. Our founding fathers felt differently, and thus established the electoral college...

      Considering that there was nothing but coastal states when the constitution was drafted, that seems unlikely. ;)

      By the way, just to set the record straight, the only reason Bush "won" the electoral vote was because the supreme court stopped the count while he was still ahead. If the vote had been permitted to proceed Gore would have won.

    6. Re:Not really. by neocon · · Score: 0

      Considering that there was nothing but coastal states when the constitution was drafted, that seems unlikely. ;)

      Indeed. At the time, of course, the conflict was between the larger and smaller states of the Atlantic seaboard.

      By the way, just to set the record straight, the only reason Bush "won" the electoral vote was because the supreme court stopped the count while he was still ahead.

      This was arguably still possible to claim in the spring of 2001. However, any number of recounts have been done since then, all reaching the same result: By every counting method which was considered in any of the court cases or called for by Gore's campaign, Bush won. By almost all methods, he won by more than the current official tally.

      And it's worth pointing out that many of these recounts were done by groups (The New York Times, Chicago University) which openly entered the counting process with the contention that Gore had won, and accepted the truth after completing their own counts.

      If you want to get into a discussion over why the Constitution requires that the Supreme Court do what it did, we can go there too, I suppose, but I think it's clear from a plain reading (hint: state's policies for federal elections are placed not in the hands of all branches of the state government, but explicitly and solely in the hands of the state legislature -- see Article II, Section I: ``in such manner as the Legislature thereof may direct'')

  42. Haiku! by Haiku_troll · · Score: 1

    Villanueva's bill
    Would make the state use Linux
    Hooray for Peru

  43. I like Villanueva by theolein · · Score: 2

    If you are oversensitive, then it's because you obviously have some sort of vested interest in posting difamatory material as you do. I won't say you work for Microsoft but I will ask you where on earth you get your claim that Villanueva doesn't value human life and believes it to be expendable? I will also ask you on what you base your claim that he is spreading hatred and malice when it seems that that is more what you are doing? In addition to this I would ask you on what you base your claim that he is making the lives of the sick, old, disabled and unemployed miserable, since, judging from everything I've read about this man and looking at his origions and his work in improving the computing access in a region with extremely limited financial means, this is exactly the opposite of what he is trying to do.

    Finally, i would ask you who you are?

  44. You DO have options, you know by wrinkledshirt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you're so desperate to throw a vote to some foreign guy based on only one of his stances, you might want to look up politicians who have similar agendas at home, like Ralph Nader. He has been keeping up with the issue.

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    1. Re:You DO have options, you know by jbn-o · · Score: 1

      True. Nader & Love's Tunney Act letter was well-written too. I appreciate both the Villanueva letter and the Nader/Love letter in different ways. It is one more reason I would feel compelled to vote for Ralph Nader if he runs again.

  45. It can help by theolein · · Score: 2

    It will not solve the problems you talk of but consider this:

    Having access to the internet enables those people to exchange information, a process invaluable in terms of solving problems and sharing experiences.

    It enables people to find cheaper practical ideas to the problems of getting clean water, roofing, medical aid etc which they might not have known about earlier.

    It enables people to gather and process statistics, one of the oldest computing tasks, which is invaluble in helping them to see their problems as a whole.

    It helps them to learn, and enables them to get access to learning materials which they possibly could not otherwise do.

  46. Have you ever taken a course on Economics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a B.A. in economics and finance. Read up on Public Finance and derived benefit from public goods. Then come talk. Typical Republican bullshit following: "Tax cuts help the poor". Hate to tell you this but my father makes around 900k to 1200k per year and all he does is spend the same amount he would if he made 100k per year. So that is not helping job growth. He invests in companies (mutual funds) and bonds. So you are trying to tell me there is a direct relationship between his 500k divided by 1000 (assuming he's that diversified) and the new hires at IBM? Not at all. Reinvesting in already issued stock does nothing for "jobs" as you say it gives a slight upward push to the stock price. However, since it is in such small portions (spread out evenly) there is no growth as you call it.

    The way to help is to bring those needing help to the level of those not. Believe it or not most people do not want to be on welfare. However the few abusers get all the publicity.

    A perfect example is the state I live in. Most people are Republican because they cannot see the simple fact that we are a subsidized by the federal government. We pay in about 1/4 the benefit we receive. This is of course of no concern to the people who are receiving this federal gift.

    Everyone wants something for nothing. Just have the balls to live up to what you believe. I believe giving people a helping hand is good. I believe medical care for all is good. I believe greed is a dead end way to live. I am a socialist however. Bet you thought I was a democrat. lol.

    1. Re:Have you ever taken a course on Economics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no, i am pretty sure you are a fag. beat dim wit you make George Bush look like a Nobel Prize winner. I pity the school that took all of your Dad's money and left you ignorant as can be.

    2. Re:Have you ever taken a course on Economics? by neocon · · Score: 2

      Again, just to reply to a few points here:

      Read up on Public Finance and derived benefit from public goods. Then come talk. -- actually I'd suggest you read some more serious economic texts than you appear to have received in your undergraduate education. Read some Milton Friedman, some Arthur Laffer, and so forth, and you'll see that most serious economists agree that reducing taxes is a very effective way to stimulate growth. And growth means a better standard of living at all levels of society.

      my father makes around 900k to 1200k per year -- so perhaps it is you who are not acquainted with the huge tax burden placed on the rich and the upper middle class in this country. In actual fact, as documented here and elsewhere, the upper middle class and rich in America pay an amount in taxes that is completely disproportionate to what they earn or have.

      The way to help is to bring those needing help to the level of those not. -- unfortunately, the effect of all attempts at doing so over the last 200+ years has been to bring everyone down into poverty. In contrast, one thing capitalism has done really well is to raise everyone's level. As a perfect example, the bottom 20% of American society currently earns, has, and consumes as much as the middle 20% did in the 1950's, an era generally remembered for it's prosperity. No other system has ever provided growth like that.

    3. Re:Have you ever taken a course on Economics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bet, if you made $15K in the 1950's you were pretty well of. Today $15K won't get you very far...

    4. Re:Have you ever taken a course on Economics? by neocon · · Score: 0

      I should have specified that these are adjusted numbers. If you have any doubt of what a difference these years of growth have made in American society, look at the percentage of Americans who have cars, refrigerators, and other commodities which are just assumed today vs. the 1950's. And this holds true at all levels of society.

    5. Re:Have you ever taken a course on Economics? by fuzzbrain · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure about your choice of Laffer as a 'serious economist'. He was the one whispering in Reagans ear about supply-side economics, arguing that a reduction in taxes would actually increase tax revenues. This did not happen when it was tried in the US. This is not to say that there isn't a point at which increased taxes lead to declining tax revenues, but it is debatable just where the crest of the Laffer curve lies.

    6. Re:Have you ever taken a course on Economics? by neocon · · Score: 0

      You're close, but off by a few decades. Laffer was a senior advisor of president Kennedy, who was a strong believer in cutting taxes to increase tax revenue, as were Reagan and Bush Jr. after him (and just about no one in between, from either party).

      The Laffer curve actually worked quite well as a predictor in both Kennedy's time (where much of the increased revenue went to build Johnson's `Great Society') and in Reagan's time (where the increased revenue brought us from talk of `eternal' budget deficits to a budget surplus in just a decade and a half).

  47. Peru is a third world country!!! by xtremex · · Score: 1

    Just move to any US inner city. You'll feel right at home.

    --
    If you're not a Liberal in your 20's, then you have no heart.If you're still a Liberal in your 30's you have no brain.
  48. Fear in Redmond by theolein · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't know if I'm imagining it but everytime Villanueva's name turns up here on /. the anti-OSS trolling increases to a fevered pitch.

    It seems as if opponents of this bill are very, very scared of the snowball effect that it could have. Peru is a poor country and is one of many on this earth. While I doubt that many of those countries have leaders that are as interrested in the wellbeing of their populace or as well articulated, I think there would be enough to see the benefits of a law such as this one, especially if it makes a notable difference in the IT landscape in Peru. Certain companies will certainly try to use dubious methods to try to silence efforts such as this, because it leaves them out in the cold, or did anyone think that poor countries had any possibility of expending their IT knowhow in any other manner?

    1. Re:Fear in Redmond by sheldon · · Score: 1, Troll

      Are you sure the effect isn't the reverse of your perception?

      I haven't seen any increase in the anti-OSS trolling, and I'm one of the main trolls. Instead I'd have to say I've seen an increase in the anti-Commercial trolling by far.

      But let me get this clear. You seem to be saying that if this law in Peru ends up killing the IT landscape of that nation, it's not the laws fault, but rather the fault of certain companies using dubious methods?

      I'm personally of the belief that it is simply anti-US legislation, sort of a polite way of creating a barrier to trade encapsulated in an intellectual argument. Sometimes a poor developing nation creating a barrier to trade can be a good thing. Look at Japan as an example of this.

      Thus it confounds me to see people proclaiming a trade barrier as some sort of victory for open source.

    2. Re:Fear in Redmond by peddrenth · · Score: 1

      Kind of like the chinese language being a trade barrier to keep the US out of software development in China, right?

      Local customs and all that. Wouldn't want Johnny Foreigner having access to their data without our say-so of course.

    3. Re:Fear in Redmond by MindStalker · · Score: 1

      They arn't blocking trade against anyone, they are willing to purchase software. They just won't buy software that doesn't come with libre source. And this is only the government, citizens or companies are not in any way controlled on what they may buy. Many many government put trade restrictions on themselves (not the people) in order to encourage ideas that they consider important.

    4. Re:Fear in Redmond by theolein · · Score: 2

      His Bill doesn't stop any company in Peru from buying anything. It simply says that public sector software has to have accessible source code.

      It is so typical of an MS troll to go into denial when OSS gets any positive press. And your barrier to trade argument could have come straight out of Jim Allchin's mouth in the courtroom. Is this the new MS propaganda move? Try to claim anti-americanism everytime someone installs Linux and laughs at your win2k uptime.

    5. Re:Fear in Redmond by sgtrock · · Score: 1

      Steve, Steve, Steve. Did you even bother to read the letters in question? At no time does the good Dr. ever advocate a trade barrier of any sort. Red herring, my boy.

      Turn away from the Dark Side, my young Jedi. The Penguin and the Daemon shall be your salvation. :)

  49. We should create a petition... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Slashdot crowd should petition their own representatives to have a similar bill pass in the US Congress. Most of these government officials can't make an intelligent decision if their lives depended on it. Just look at California and Oracle. Similar things are going on all over with Microsoft. Just look at their jack-booted attack of the Seattle school system. It's high time we said enough with these corrupt monopolies.

  50. Look out here comes another Patriot. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What do you mean by never been robbed? I think Nader and Buchanan are nuts. GW and Gore are morons as well. We have no good candidates due to our corrupt form of political selection based on Advertisement not Issues.

    American Citizens first, lol. I guess you're Native American? What tribe?

  51. Re:Thank-you???? by theolein · · Score: 2

    Could you perhaps be the same person who posted that other diffamatory note with the title "Why I don't like Villanueva"? In any case you are doing yourself an extreme disservice. Almost everybody believes that you are from Microsoft and asks why you are posting such stuff here? I would also belive that most people here see this kind of post as Fear on the part of Microsoft.

  52. I was just giving an example. I am however not gay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But I don't see how that is relevant at all. Lol, fag, what is this 1980?

  53. Lost your balls and logged out I see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of course you wouldn't want to ruin your precious Karma for slander such as "fag". How insightful. BTW my father is a Republican too. He just hasn't seen the light yet.

    Did you know Einstein was a socialist too? Bet he's more intelligent than your precious GW.

  54. We should start a lemonade stand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    grow up

    1. Re:We should start a lemonade stand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is excercising one's rights imature? It is attidudes like yours that allows companies like Micro$oft to ram down our throats licenses and policies that are anti-consumer (does anyone remember UCITA?). They know that you'll all bitch and moan, but in the end won't do anything to hurt them. We all cry about their current abusive policies, but what are you doing about it? Stop whining and act. Our method of government provides a way to express our outrage at companies like Microsoft. Our government should not be held hostage to Micro$oft's antics. The Slashdot crowd didn't kill UCITA, because they didn't do anything to prevent it. UCITA was killed by the CEOs, CIOs and sysadmins who were directly impacted by it. This is the same thing. You can change Micro$oft's behavior. Just don't buy its products. Our government should be leading that charge. Plain and simple.

  55. Re:Thank-you???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...I think you mean "defamatory", there's no such word as "diffamatory"...

  56. Peru is a cool place by Slayer_X · · Score: 1

    You was in Peru before?? I think you only see a lot of stupid movies, Peru has the same problems of any country around the world, tell me... no murders in your country???

    We has a big problem in the past with terrorism, but not anymore, terrorist movements like Sendero Luminoso and MRTA dont exist anymore.

    I live in Lima and Im so happy, I dont have to pay to any guard :P

    We are making a lot of activism here (http://www.linux.org.pe)
    :)

    Saludos

    --
    - Slayer_X
    http://www.slayerx.org/
    Lima
    1. Re:Peru is a cool place by robinjo · · Score: 2

      No, not movies, news.

      I'm happy to hear that those problems are solved in Peru. I'm also very sorry for my ignorance. I didn't doublecheck better before quoting what I found with Google. It doesn't help that news agencies were quick to air negative news but don't bother with positive. :-(

  57. yes, there is by sT0n3_h34d · · Score: 2, Informative

    u can check it at here
    regards

  58. The US Govt did what Peru is trying long ago. . . by cgleba · · Score: 2

    The US government, fustrated with vendor-lock-in and the national-security fact that they 'didn't know what was in their software' specifically stipulated that all future programs written for the state by contractors will be written in "human comprehendable COBOL". This was in the late 1950s. . .

    I was reading this in a computer history book recently. . .anyone wish to comment on it? It seems to have the same pretense as the Peruvian Bill but was enacted all wrong (aka forcing a language). . .

  59. If only other developing countries would ... by MdeG · · Score: 1

    ...follow suit.

    MS South Africa has just
    (http://www.mg.co.za/Content/l3.jsp?a=11 and about being able to compete in the global market.

    --
    ...weaned, as it were, on the webs of ritual... (Mervyn Peake)
  60. Oh YEAH! by rocjoe71 · · Score: 1

    Is there a Nobel Prize for Open Source yet? This guy should get the first one.

    --
    Height: 38U, Weight: 0 Newtons, Eyes: #0000FF, OS: Gray Matter 1.0 (Alpha)
  61. Re:You say Nunez, I say the best I can by jbn-o · · Score: 1
    'cos I'll be jiggered if I can figure out how to get any international characters out of my Linux box w/ a US 101-key.

    You could use HTML mode and type in the ASCII markup: Núñez (Núñez).

  62. Re:Minor pedantic point on Nunez's name by jbn-o · · Score: 1

    Not only is the kernal important, the whole GNU/Linux system is important too, since we're talking about naming in this thread (and since the letter we're referring to correctly refers to the name for the system).

  63. off topic: jiggered by gimpboy · · Score: 1

    what does this mean? yeah i know i'm another ignoarant yank.

    --
    -- john
  64. "Free" means more than one thing in English. by jbn-o · · Score: 1

    The problem with "free" is a problem in English, not other languages where the difference between price and liberty are clear. The FSF offers a list of translations to use for Free Software when speaking other languages so people understand you're not talking about price (yes, I know the link points to a term on "Freeware", that's where they put it because the list answers another question relating to the term "Freeware").

  65. considering the penalties by circusboy · · Score: 1

    they want to save us from, how could they not come leaping to save us?

    this link was posted by someone, below the interview at LinuxToday,
    http://www.vialibre.org.ar/lessdeveloped.html

    it details some of the penalties being threatened by the BSA down south. Apparently some of the BSA's advertising is using the thought of prison rape as deterrent.

    how can they possibly know if you're not guilty if you don't have a receipt?

    --
    -- it's ridiculous how many people misspell ridiculous... (damn, damn, damn...)
  66. What happens if this bill passes? by Tony+Hammitt · · Score: 2

    We _really_ need to make sure that when this bill passes, the OSS/FS communities make sure that the project gets all the help it needs!! We can't let this project even hit a small snag, let alone fail.

    Face it, with the attention that this is getting, if anything goes wrong, M$ is going to jump down our throats about it. This is the poster child project for the whole movement. It's going to be looked at by the whole world as an example of what happens when you go the Free software route, therefore we can't let it fail.

    Please help make sure that the project goes as smoothly as is possible. Thanks in advance.

  67. What about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So cutting taxes and running deficit is somehow better than the govt not borrowing from people to fund necessary activities. For example, we (the govt) pay around 1/2 of the total tax collections annually on the interest on the debt alone. So you're telling me that keeping the trillions of dollar debt is better than keeping taxes higher, paying off the debt and starting anew. Granted this would take 30-35 years but after retiring the debt interest rates would be around 2-3%, the highest tax bracket (still assuming progressive) would be 18-20%. So planning for next week is more important than next year? Not at all. I pay an enormous amount in taxes (more actually than my father due to the fact he owns his own companies). However, I am not burdened by this so called "huge tax burden" placed on the rich and middle class. My boss doesn't even bitch about the 1 to 2 million in taxes he pays yearly because it means he is making money. Simply put you dont pay taxes unless you make money. I referenced public goods because I wasn't sure you knew what the hell you were talking about. I guess you do (although simply referencing others work is arguably not coming to your own conclusions).

    Bringing down to poverty is one of the funniest quotes i've heard. How did the US get out of the great depression? Cutting taxes? How about after Bush Version 1.0 left office (when a college guy couldn't find a fucking job at Taco Bell for christs sake). How about sharing for the greater good. How many cars does one need? Houses? Planes? There comes a point where the greater good can be achieved by working together instead of apart. Show me anything in private industry that can match the goverment in providing for the people. Actually a properly implemented system of socialism brings everyone up to the same level (see Sweden).

    1. Re:What about by neocon · · Score: 0

      So cutting taxes and running deficit is somehow better than the govt not borrowing from people to fund necessary activities -- I'm all for deficit reduction, but it's my considered opinion that the quickest way to get there is to reduce spending. If we allow spending to drive revenue needs instead of allowing revenue to drive spending, we will always be increasing the tax burden, to little effect.

      My boss doesn't even bitch about the 1 to 2 million in taxes he pays yearly because it means he is making money -- this may be true, but is it not also true that if he were paying less in taxes, much of that money would be going into new hiring, research and development, and growing his business? Or into paying you and his other employees more?

      How about after Bush Version 1.0 left office (when a college guy couldn't find a fucking job at Taco Bell for christs sake). -- a perfect example; remember that for all his talk, Bush Sr. raised taxes, a fact which greatly upset many of his supporters.

      Show me anything in private industry that can match the goverment in providing for the people -- well, I think what we can see in the private sector is the engine which produces general economic growth. And it's general economic growth, not social programs which have made it so that the bottom 20% of American society earns, has, and consumes more than the middle 20% did in the 50's.

      Actually a properly implemented system of socialism brings everyone up to the same level (see Sweden). -- I think Sweden is a wonderful example of what I'm talking about. See this story for a report on what these policies have done to Sweden. In short, Swedes are poorer off than any state or any ethnic group in the US. That's Socialism in action...

    2. Re:What about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My boss wouldn't hire 1 more person, it's not needed. He would simply keep more $, that is what i'm trying to explain.

      Bush Sr. raised taxes 1 time. After Regan then Bush the economy was shit. Trickle down didn't work for squat in my recollection.

      I meant show me the highways like the interstate system (major social program), NASA, MediCare, ... Cut spending on these programs, they aren't necessary.

      One study does not define a nation. Have you ever been to Sweden? It may not compare in direct dollars but it is much better than that article suggests. Go there first (plus Swedish, Finnish and Norwegien girls are unbelieveable).

      Direct competition is not always a good thing. A perfect example is the Energy market in California. How about education in America? I guess it should be up to private business too. Oh wait that falls in line with people want great schools just no taxes to fund them. Same old shit, it is no burden on me to pay 28-32k a year in taxes. In fact I could pay more. The best system (assuming socialism isn't an option) is eliminate all taxes except one. Have a federal sales tax, making all state and local taxes illegal. Let the govt distribute the money equally to the qovt programs, states programs, and debt reduction/interest payments. It would start high but drop quickly as the debt is reduced. It would also incentivise savings and reinvestment. Place high burden on those that sell black market goods to help in reducing tax evasion. This would also catch the people who fall through the cracks now (ie, waiters, hair stylists, illegal aliens, ...). It is a tax on consumption not income. How about that? Personally I like that as a motivating factor for work but what the hell do I know.

    3. Re:What about by neocon · · Score: 0

      After Reagan then Bush the economy was shit. -- actually, Bush inherited an incredibly strong economy and squandered it. Even his mini-recession (remember it's a 9 month period we're talking about) couldn't put a permanent crimp in the economy he inherited.

      NASA, MediCare -- except that the Medicare system is broke, and all the interesting space work is being done in the private sector by people like Bob Zubrin.

      A perfect example is the Energy market in California -- that's a whole other can of worms, which I won't go into right now. Suffice to say that there is still serious disagreement among serious economists over whether California's problems resulted from too little government involvement (so-called `deregulation') or too much (deregulating prices but prohibiting contracts, thus tying prices to the spot market, an environmental impact study process so over-regulated that no new power generation capability had been built through 20 years of growth

      Finally, some more thoughts on growth and taxation. First off, I consider your ideas of moving to consumption- rather than income- based taxation to be largely on base. In particular, consumption-based taxation systems are inherently self-regulating, because when taxes go up, consumption goes down. This makes raising taxes much more obviously unprofitable than in the current system.

      In practice, there is such a feedback loop at work with income taxation, as pointed out by people like Arthur Laffer in his famous `Laffer Curve', but it's much less obvious than in a consumption-taxation system.

      We do disagree on whether to strengthen the federal government over local governments, though -- I feel that this is a terrible idea, and also very far from what our Founders intended.

    4. Re:What about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You straight up rocked his world.

  68. Hey I made 15k in college and it got me a long way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    lol, although it's not the same. My 64 1/2 mustang cost 2321 in 1964 my 1998 mustang cost 17975 and has a smaller engine! My wifes Jag is not open for discussion (damn woman, economics says avoid expensive, high maintenance wife).

  69. Text of the Bill 1609 by alonsoac · · Score: 1

    Here you can read the text of the bill (in Spanish):

    Bill 1609

    Rather small doc I must add. Quick and to the point I suppose.

  70. Re:The US Govt did what Peru is trying long ago. . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (aka Forcing a language)

    Also known as forcing a language? Methinks you have a wierd and wonderful language where you live, if enacting a bill all wrong = forcing a language.

  71. Villanueva Wants Your Help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Bill's chance of succeeding grows as international momentum builds behind them. That momentum can certainly help, Villanueva added, as those within Perú and without can help by writing articulate letters to any number of agencies in Perú, including Congressmen, the Commission of Education, and the Consumer Protection Commission, on both the freedoms of open source and the practical nature of how the Bill might benefit Perú, its government, its people, and its technology industry.

  72. This is a troll by chipotle_pickle · · Score: 1

    This troll floats effortly from science to religion to ethics and the law. I can't remember the last time I saw someone criticised as a heritic (gnostic here). There is no story behind the troll.

  73. Microsoft Court Case by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Has anyone made sure that the plaintiff lawyers know about Dr. Villanueva's original letter? Wouldn't that be a great response to Microsoft's recent claim that secrecy is needed to protect people from Windows? Our own Government, too, should follow the Peruvian example!

  74. Re:Thank-you by cmdr_beeftaco · · Score: 1

    This is the funniest thread I have read in awhile. I think sometimes people take things too seriousl. This is an obvious attempt at humor. If I only had mod points...

  75. Why you *should* go to Peru by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Kidnappings, murders, armed robberies, and drug-related "

    Yea right.. and people do not get killed, kidnaped, and robed in *your* city right?

    Just a few facts about Peru to enlighten you:

    Peru is as safe (and dangerous) as any major city in the world. Terrorist wackos were pretty much wiped out in the 90's and now is not any worse than here in the US. (I've been there)

    Since the 90's Peru has been a leader on creating internet access for the unwealthy masses.

    Peru was one of the first countries on the world to set up "public internet cabins" on small villages where anyone can freely access the internet for less than a buck an hour.

    Believe me it is a surreal experience to access (via fiber cable from end to end of the country) the web or your email on a "cibercabin" (many times runing linux beacuse it runs on cheaper CPU's )located inside a 100 years old adobe building on a *very* small fishing village with dirt streets not to different than what it looked 100 years ago.

    Outside of computers ...
    Peru also produces some of the best beer in the world and to acompain that beer just gaze to the west to see 1000 miles of magnificent white sand beaches with fantastic surfing (as seen on surfer magazine) or turn to the east to admire gigantic snow caped peaks (>20k feet tall) on the andes that are the envy of rock climbers around the world.

    If you want more, drive four hours thru the mountains and get lost on the amazon jungle with the most incredible flora and fauna you can imagine.

    If you care about the past fly a couple of hours and visit Cuzco and Machu Pichu, capital of the inca empire and archeological treasure of the world.

    What else do you want?
    Food? is great *and* cheap (the sea food is to die for)
    weather? in the coast from 55 to 100 all year round..
    No tornados, no huracains.. maybe a little earthquacke here and there..

    If you do not believe me.. open your mind, move your butt, leave the bube you live in and go yourself. (plus help the local economy with your $$)

  76. They should reschedule in GNU/Peru by starling · · Score: 1

    Hmm, GNU/Peru. Has a nice ring to it and it even rhymes.

  77. Actually our T-1 went down for service. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    SBC has HDSL for our T-1 and we are cutting over to a new network. Great discussion however. To summarize, you dont like taxes and aren't for helping people by paying for it. I'm for helping people (whether they deserve it or not) and paying more taxes. Simply put there is little to argue about b/c neither of us is stupid enough to run for office. Have you looked at the relationship to crime and the economy? Australia is a perfect example of that. They took all the criminals (well maybe not all, they had to keep some politicians) and moved them to Auzzie land. Next thing you know they can make an honest living.

    Our system is setup to keep the status quo. Not to help everyone achieve regardless of circumstance. If you truly believe we are in a fair system fake your resume (in whatever field you're in) and simply send a 60 year old black woman to the interview. I will bet 1000000 to 1 that no matter what she would not be hired for the same position they would hire you for. Until that cannot be said we need social programs. But then again why try to make the world fair when no one actually wants it that way.

    Later, thanks for the discussion (even though it was -1 the whole time!).

    Rob C

    1. Re:Actually our T-1 went down for service. by neocon · · Score: 0

      Likewise -- a good discussion of the issues, without the flamage which often comes into these discussions (except for the whole thing being modded down as `flamebait'; go figure :-) )

  78. Even more beautiful (no, I'm not quoting Yellow) by leonbrooks · · Score: 2

    The third LinuxToday response links this native Argentine article (in English) which is less professional but in its own way even more telling than Villaneuva's response.

    Read some of the explanations of the motivation behind much software `piracy' in `less developed' countries and weep. Imagine, for example, paying more for a base copy of your OS than you did for your new hardware!

    --
    Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
  79. I'm an ignorant yank, too by Bastian · · Score: 2

    It means whatever you want it to mean. I seem to remember it being some sort of bastardization of "Jinkies" from Scooby-Doo, but it could just as easily be a real word with a real definition that I heard once that slipped into my vocabulary.

  80. Doesn't work by Bastian · · Score: 2

    Typing the keystroke sequences you listed does different things in different programs. For example, Alt-A is the standard keystroke for "select all" and does exactly that if you try it in Netscape. In emacs, alt-A does something completely different.

    There is no keystroke standardization in X. I don't even think X itself does anything to trap keystrokes whatsoever - just windowmanagers and any other programs you have running. 's one of the most *ahem* beautiful *ahem* things about GNU/Linux - absolutely NO user interface standardization, and no way for a user to create it without modifying the source code to every piece of program he or she has.

    1. Re:Doesn't work by Kiwi · · Score: 1
      The only program which doesn't work with the special us_spanish keymap is The GIMP, which, for some reason, doesn't like allowing accented characters when people add text to images.

      The ALT+AIMSZ doesn't work on a lot of systems...I will update the page accordingly.

      And yes, I agree on the lack of standards causing problems in Linux. Such is the price of freedom.

      - Sam

      --

      The secret to enjoying Slashdot is to realize that it should not be taken too seriously.

  81. There is no obligation to distribute Free Software by jbn-o · · Score: 1
    However, if you read the bill (and the rest of the letter for that matter), you'll see that it describes perfectly OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE.

    No, it doesn't (and your point is not well served by pointing out how the letter starts off by correcting the use of that term). The Open Source movement is primarily targetting businesses. The Free Software movement speaks to all computer users. The Peruvian bill speaks to all Peruvian computer users, not just businesses. This is one way in which the wording in the letter is correct.

    The bill is concerned with user's freedoms. The Open Source movement takes pains to avoid talking about software freedom because they believe their development methodology message will go over easier with businesses if they stop the freedom talk (in their FAQ they refer to freedom talk as "ideological tub-thumping" with no further analysis of the Free Software movement's motives). This is another way in which the wording in the letter is correct.

    See how there's no mention of any obligation to redistribute the modified source.

    I see now where your misunderstanding lies: There is no obligation to redistribute programs in the Free Software movement. The Free Software movement is geared around freedoms you need in "the system of free expression in a technological society" (from the FSF's Amicus brief for Eldred v. Ashcroft). Nowhere in the Free Software definition is there a requirement to distribute Free Software. Quite to the contrary:

    You should also have the freedom to make modifications and use them privately in your own work or play, without even mentioning that they exist. If you do publish your changes, you should not be required to notify anyone in particular, or in any particular way.

    Software licenses requiring publication or notification are non-free (such as the APSL, the Apple Public Source License, which requires any modified version of APSL-covered software "deployed" in an organization must be published).

    They must have the right to do so but there is no requirement to do so.

    Exactly—users must have the right to do so. That's freedom talk which is totally synonymous with the Free Software movement, not the Open Source movement.

    I think any reasonable person has to conclude that Dr. Villanueva knew what he was talking about and he meant what he said throughout the letter, including his repeated support for Free Software.