Moving towards Mozilla 1.0

fluedke writes "The latest Mozilla CVS identifies itself as "Mozilla 1.0". It looks like this source will become the official 1.0 within the next days. Read the news posting here." And if you're one of the missing hackers, speak up.

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Bugzilla.mozilla.org

[Penguinoflight]

If you feel a sudden urge to help now that the project is entering it's final stages, checkout bugzilla.mozilla.org. You can help troubleshoot other bugs by trying to replicate, and figure out if there are browser problems, or webpage problems. You have to be a member, but the form is short.

Check out http://bugzilla.mozilla.org

Re:Bugzilla.mozilla.org

[Swaffs]

My experience has been that those on bugzilla want to correct bugs, not hide or deny them. If you can reproduce it well, and document that well, others will test for it, and assuming its a real bug and not your problem, they will confirm it as a bug. All submissions i've made have been taken seriously.

Re:Bugzilla.mozilla.org

[dbarclay10]

It depends.

All the reports I've submitted have been dealt with seriously. Sometimes that means, "sorry, we're not going to fix this for a while." That's understandable, they need to prioritise.

Sometimes, the report is closed because it's not a bug - a particular thing behaves in a way I'm unhappy with, but which most people would prefer over the alternative I suggest.

Most times, though, the bugs are just dealt with. I've never submitted a bug report which didn't get a reply of _some_ form within a few days.

This is just in my experience. But I have to read a lot of bug reports myself (for Debian), and I gotta tell you, there is NOTHING more frustrating than somebody filing a bug report, saying "it doesn't work."

WHAT doesn't work? In what way does it not work? How would you expect it to work?

The more serious you are, the more serious you'll be taken.

Re:Bugzilla.mozilla.org

[greenrd]

That's not encouraged - it creates extra work. Not much, but it mounts up over hundreds of bugs.

PLEASE, PLEASE, use the Vote For This Bug link instead of submitting known duplicates. The search isn't psychic so dups are inevitable, but let's try to keep them to a minimum.

Re:finally

[Anonymous Coward]

OEMs will only distribute another browser if they can be certain that MS won't retaliate against them. Hopefully that will be one of the provisions in the anti-trust case.

What will be special about 1.0

[jonasj]

The main change is that many APIs (Application Programming Interface) have been frozen, which means that you can now create skins, plugins, add-ons, XUL applications, applications which embed Mozilla's layout engine Gecko, etc., which will work with all future Mozilla 1.x releases. In the past, it wasn't unusual for, say, skins developed for Mozilla 0.x to break as soon as Mozilla 0.y was released.

Of course 1.0 is also more stable and polished than 0.9.9, just like 0.9.9 was more polished and stable than 0.9.8 and so forth, but the main thing is the API freeze.

See also the Mozilla 1.0 Manifesto.

Yes he is!

[jonasj]

Oh yes, jwz is throwing a Mozilla 1.0 release party at DNA Lounge. I wouldn't call it "being sorry about quitting the project and dissing it", though... As I understand it, he never said that he didn't want Mozilla to succeed; all he said was that it was moving to slowly for him and he wanted to spend his time on something else. In fact, he would like to use it at his terminals at DNA Lounge, but can't do so yet because there is no way to rebind the mouse buttons. (I'm not posting the bug number here since I don't want Bugzilla to be slashdotted once again.)

Also check out his backstage log entry about this party; interesting stuff.

Re:finally

[sidesinger]

If you are interesting in getting help for installing plugins goto MozDev's Plugin Documentation.

Re:something tells me ...

[kasparov]

Actually it was O'Brien questioning Winston in 1984 by George Orwell long before it was a ST:TNG episode (and it was four fingers not four lights).

O'Brien held up his left hand, its back toward Winston, with the thumb hidden and the four fingers extended.

"How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?"

"Four."

"And if the Party says that it is not four but five--then how many?"

"Four."

The word ended in a gasp of pain. The needle of the dial had shot up to fifty-five. The sweat had sprung out all over Winston's body. The air tore into his lungs and issued again in deep groans which even by clenching his teeth he could not stop. O'Brien watched him, the four fingers still extended. He drew back the lever. This time the pain was only slightly eased.

"How many fingers, Winston?"

"Four."

The needle went up to sixty.

"How many fingers, Winston?"

"Four! Four! What else can I say? Four!"

The needle must have risen again, but he did not look at it. The heavy, stern face and the four fingers filled his vision. The fingers stood up before his eyes like pillars, enormous, blurry, and seeming to vibrate, but unmistakably four.

"How many fingers, Winston?"

Four! Stop it, stop it! How can you go on? Four! Four!"

"How many fingers Winston?"

"Five! Five! Five!"

"No, Winston, that is no use. You are lying. You still think there are four. How many fingers, please?"

"Four! Five! Four! Anything you like. Only stop the pain."

Of course, they couldn't have Picard actually say he saw five lights--he is rescued before that can happen (although he confesses to Troi later that in the end he could actually see five lights).

Big scary lawyers from Apple

[yerricde]

I'm using os x, and those windows-esque controls look like ass.

What's anybody supposed to do about it? Mozilla developers can't use native widgets because the Aqua widgets do not support the rendering options required by CSS, and Mozilla developers can't use look-alike widgets because of Apple's hard-ass policy against Aqua look-alikes.

Don't like it? Make a skin that looks like KDE Liquid and submit a patch.

Re:Big scary lawyers from Apple

[Anonymous Coward]

Chimera's widgets aren't pseudo-Aqua, they are Aqua. Chimera throws out the XUL chrome and replaces it with a Cocoa GUI.

That's the difference that Apple legal seems to care about: you're not allowed to imitate Aqua in XUL because it's cross-platform and that would break their OS monopoly on the Aqua look; but making an actual Cocoa/Carbon browser for Mac OS X is fine.

(Of course they'd phrase it in more positive terms, about avoiding the confusion of an interface that looks like Aqua but isn't in the details.)

Re:Good News: Mozilla +3 to +6, MSIE -3 to -6

[Zontar The Mindless]

Set them up with the MSIE skin for Mozilla. :)

Forum for Mozilla users

[Nicopa]

There's a newgroup for user discussion and questions. You can get support there, please don't use the developer forums. This the users' group:

snews://secnews.netscape.com:563/netscape.mozilla. user.general