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MTV Movie Awards Webpage Pull a Lone Gunman

abouttime writes "What happens when your webmasters and the show scheduling people don't communicate? This page on the mtv site is where the winners of the awards are known before the show even airs tonight... Way to go MTV....." I wonder if it will be pulled by the time the story goes up....oh and in case you can't figure it out, spoiler alert...

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  1. FYI- by BannSidhe · · Score: 5, Informative

    They filmed it Saturday, most local news agencies/radio stations have ALREADY told the award results.... LOTR took best movie. American Pie 2 best kiss. blah blah :)

    1. Re:FYI- by Jonny+Ringo · · Score: 2, Funny

      Whatever man I'm not hearing you!!! (Hands over ears) Happy Happy Joy Joy Happy Happy Joy Joy.

  2. Well, fuck it by Skim123 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm certain millions of other /. readers are having the same reaction I am: I was planning on watching the award show, but now, because of this gaffe, I'll have to find some other form of entertainment tonight. Shucks, and I was so anticipating the suspense of seeing who would win these coveted awards. Maybe next year!

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    1. Re:Well, fuck it by Skim123 · · Score: 2

      At least you don't feel apprehension of your suspense over your anticipation. That would be almost unbearable.

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    2. Re:Well, fuck it by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2

      People actually watch these entertainment industry award shows? What if Jerry Springer comes on at the same time?

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  3. this is not a lone gunman by kochsr · · Score: 3, Informative

    the awards show was sunday, it is taped. the winners have been on various websites since then

    1. Re:this is not a lone gunman by wo1verin3 · · Score: 5, Funny

      X-Files didn't leak the lone gunman story, slashdot did. Technically MTV pulled a slashdot.

    2. Re:this is not a lone gunman by ShavenYak · · Score: 2

      But, the X-Files episode had at least aired somewhere when /. plooped out the story. So MTV's gaffe is a bit worse than /.'s

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  4. Lone Gunmen? by howardjp · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Can someone explain the Lone Gunman reference?

    1. Re:Lone Gunmen? by Violet+Null · · Score: 5, Informative

      Chrisd put up a slashdot story talking about how the Lone Gunmen (from the X-Files) were killed off in an episode here, before the episode had aired for a number of slashdot readers. The caption of the story was even "The Lone Gunmen Are Dead", negating any possibility that someone visiting slashdot could avoid the spoiler.

      Lots of folks quite upset.

    2. Re:Lone Gunmen? by alacqua · · Score: 5, Funny

      Oh my God! The Lone Gunmen are dead??

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    3. Re:Lone Gunmen? by smoondog · · Score: 2

      Actually, the best /. example of giving up spoilers is in this story. When 'Taco posted a story that was annotated with "minor spoiler" but contained a rather major one. Too bad the movie sucked.

    4. Re:Lone Gunmen? by csguy314 · · Score: 2

      so they didn't pull a lone gunman... they pulled a chrisd

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    5. Re:Lone Gunmen? by Rendus · · Score: 2

      No, you goons. The reference is to when The X-Files site showed pictures of The Lone Gunmen on their site for one of the episodes (The last?). After they died. Spoiling the suprise of them coming back.

    6. Re:Lone Gunmen? by ConsumedByTV · · Score: 2

      The good news is that when I met Boyd Rice in LA a few months ago he told me about his next project with Rose McDowell.


      ABBA LEAD


      So have no fear.
      All the worst ABBA hits are coming back with the Boyd and Rose touch.

      I cannot wait.

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  5. Um... by brooks_talley · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Were the results really supposed to be secret until the broadcast?

    If so, then how would one explain this story, from June 2

    Cheers

  6. Grammar alert! by Violet+Null · · Score: 2

    I thought it was well established that 'lone gunmen' was now a verb; thus, the title should read, 'MTV Lone Gunman's Movie Awards'.

    1. Re:Grammar alert! by ipfwadm · · Score: 2

      And who was it that said verbing nouns is fun?

      And yet you "verbed," the word 'verb,' which is a noun.

    2. Re:Grammar alert! by cybrpnk2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      While we're microanalyzing words, shouldn't it be "lone gunMEN" instead of "lone gunMAN"? The actual series title always juxtaposed a "singular" adjective with a "plural" noun as some sort of ironic statement, didn't it?

    3. Re:Grammar alert! by pjp6259 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just like in Airheads, where the name of the band Adam Sandler was in was called the Lone Rangers.

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    4. Re:Grammar alert! by jea6 · · Score: 2

      It's a joke, jackass. A play on words.

      I hate having to explain it, but... Because this group was comprised of conspiracy theorists, and among the most reviled conspiracies stands the JFK assasination, and because the Warren Report decided that a lone gunman had killed JFK, a conspiracy play on words might yield "Lone Gunmen". And no, Mr. Grammar Alert, it's not irony. Look it up.

      Cheers.

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  7. Not really by gwernol · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Actually, the award results were widely reported several days ago, for example see SFGate.com which mirrored the Associated Press feed.

    MTV themselves provided the information to the AP, so this is hardly a slip up. They clearly want the results known several days ahead of the air date. My guess is they figure this is good publicity to draw people in to watch the show.

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    1. Re:Not really by GuyMannDude · · Score: 2

      MTV themselves provided the information to the AP, so this is hardly a slip up. They clearly want the results known several days ahead of the air date. My guess is they figure this is good publicity to draw people in to watch the show.

      Yeah, I agree completely. Let's face it: MTV movie awards aren't a serious event. I'm sure even the people who watch it know that it doesn't compare to the Oscars. No one really cares whether who wins "Best Movie Kiss" on the MTV awards. So there isn't any incentive for MTV to try to create an air of suspense -- no one cares anyway. The MTV awards show is just a forum to showcase all the hip Hollywood types to the young-kids-with-lots-of-disposable-money demographic. Hell, in the same way that people watch the Super Bowl just to enjoy the commericals, I'm sure a large portion of the MTV awards viewing audience is simply watching because of those comedy spin-off shorts they do.

      GMD

    2. Re:Not really by GuyMannDude · · Score: 5, Funny

      MTV sits back and basks in the flow of \.'ers

      Dude, you like totally messed up the "slash" in slashdot!

      LOOK HOW MICROSOFT HAS CORRUPTED OUR YOUTH!!

      GMD

    3. Re:Not really by Asprin · · Score: 2

      Which reminds me, why the hell hasn't anyone registered backslashdot.org yet?

      Backslashdot? How is that supposed to work?

      A combination of major news sites and hitherto unknown web pages post a link to an obscure web site with one page that has something RELLY cool on it nobody's even seen because it can only handle 5 requests per minute since it's running on an Apple Newton with a Lego Mindstorm ethernet controller connected to a paper plate for optical storage.

      Oh, and it has Jon Katz, too.

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    4. Re:Not really by sheldon · · Score: 2

      I was going to say...

      Last night while flipping stations I saw Reece Witherspoon accepting an award on MTV News. She told some story about her daughter liking the donkey from Shrek better.

      So this wasn't some secret.

      Although I don't understand why they didn't just broadcast the show live.

  8. Not a problem.... by Patman · · Score: 2

    Everyone else announced the award winners already. Read 'em on CNN a couple days ago.

  9. Saving Grace by freakinPsycho · · Score: 2

    Well, we know for sure MTV has no taste now (in case there was any doubt).

    The only saving grace is that Brittney did not win.

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  10. How do we know it's not a hoax? by t0qer · · Score: 2

    Remember when they found that pic on the survivor show website that had the "winner" circled in red? How do we know this isn't the same kind of hoax?

  11. The Slashdot effect to the rescue by szyzyg · · Score: 2

    Don't worry - now it's posted here the website won't be up long enough for too many non-slashdotters to read the results.

  12. MTV Awards? by fungus · · Score: 2, Funny

    What channel is that on?

  13. All i can say is, who cares? by digidave · · Score: 2

    I hope I'm not alone in really hating awards shows. Do celebrities really need another reason to get full of themselves and pat themselves on the back? I used to work in an area where I'd meet various celebrities all the time and the only one I have ever met that isn't a jerk/bitch is Martin Short, who is actually quite funny in real life.

    I'll still watch the movies that look good, but I say "screw 'em" to celebrities. They should be embarrased about who they are.

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    1. Re:All i can say is, who cares? by _ph1ux_ · · Score: 3, Funny

      I totally agree... hollywood and the stars suck ass.

      No im not jelous. they really are a bunch of self patting on the back types. i would love to have as much money - but not for doing the same thing.

      I think its really sad that most people think that an actor is really intelligent based on the roles they play. Clue: everything they say in the movies - written by someone else!

      I never watch MTV - I have a life... thats why i read /. all day!! :P

    2. Re:All i can say is, who cares? by dylan_- · · Score: 3, Funny


      I hope I'm not alone in really hating awards shows.


      Actually, the others are lying to make you feel better. You are actually alone in hating awards shows. Any time I've seen awards shows mentioned, I've never heard anyone complain about them, or suggest that it's emotional masturbation for half witted, moronic, self-indulgent, overrated goat-felchers.

      I'm afraid you're just a social outcast.

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  14. Time to make some fast cash... by jcsehak · · Score: 3, Funny

    placing bets with non-slashdotters (or non-mtv.com'ers)

    sweet.

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  15. Obligatory joke by CBNobi · · Score: 5, Funny

    What happens when your webmasters and the editing people don't communicate?

    JonKatz.

  16. Awards, Huh? by bellings · · Score: 2

    What, MTV gives out awards during the annual MTV movie awards? I'm trying to imagine why -- I suppose they need an excuse to show the studio sponsored DVD advertisements, and giving out meaningless awards was as good an excuse as anything else.

    The real dissappointment for me this year is that MTV hasn't released a lot of publicity photos of scantily clad women at this year's event. Without the promise nearly-naked hollywood chicks, I really can't find any reason to watch the show anyhow.

    I'm sure as hell not going to watch another two hour long advertisement for "The Fast and the Furious" and "Moulin Rouge" without getting something from it.

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  17. maybe non communication by spookysuicide · · Score: 2

    Maybe the web guys were sick of a bunch of slickster suits not inviting them to any of the good post-awards parties.

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  18. so it's a lousy spinoff? by SethJohnson · · Score: 2


    So if mtv's web page is pulling a lone gunman, then does that imply that there's a spinoff webpage that sucks worse than the original web page? Perhaps an mtv2.com webpage or some such crap?

    Wow, I guess there is! It sucks so bad it just redirects to port 89 of the regular mtv web server which then refuses the connection. Now that's what I call a lousy rehash of an existing website.
  19. Saweet Jeebus! by fluxrad · · Score: 2

    see sig. end of post.

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  20. Not pulled. Why bother... by crovira · · Score: 2

    Like, really.

    The fools who are going to watch MTV are probably snuggled down on the couch, scarfing pop Korn and geting (going?) down in front of the tube (of KY-Jelly?) waiting for the next spring break T&A fest.

    Big , uh, deal.

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  21. Re:In case they take it down: by GuyMannDude · · Score: 5, Funny

    If there was any justice in the world:

    Best Villain Jack Valenti MPAA

  22. Somebody remind me why... by Karl+Cocknozzle · · Score: 2

    ...I should care?

    MTV stopped being relevant to people with any kind of good taste 10-15 years ago. You could also call MTV's Movie Awards a "Who's Cutest Contest" and still be pretty accurate.

    This really isn't a troll--it's a true statement.

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  23. Re:Uhm... by ObviousGuy · · Score: 4, Informative

    I think that's where I saw it too. It's dated June 2.

    I didn't think it's possible, but is /. becoming slower?

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  24. Trolled by RadioheadKid · · Score: 2

    Judging by the comments about the results being released by many news outlets, I think its fair to say that /. go trolled with this one, even if it was inadvertent.

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    1. Re:Trolled by felipeal · · Score: 2

      Actually, it's even worse than that.

      It is just a lame attempt from the editor to consolidade the 'to pull a Lone Gunman' verb, which was "invented" by himself.

      I'm almost convinced to put him on the list of editors to have the stories excluded (as someone already suggested)...

  25. Spoilers save time and money by ehiris · · Score: 2

    That's why MTV stands for Money Television.

  26. No story here by niola · · Score: 2

    Hey folks,
    MTV does not do the Movie Awards live and I believe it was even filmed days ago and most of the mainstream media was issued releases of who won what a few days ago. There is no suprises with the Movie Awards since it is taped. People only really watch it for the skits and shit.

    Come to think of it I saw all the winners on one of those entertainment tonight shows or something the other day.

    --Jon

  27. thank you for watching MTV by cr@ckwhore · · Score: 2

    "Thank you for watching MTV, the shiny things network"

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  28. s'okay .. by skotte · · Score: 2

    i was gonna just watch em fFor jack black. who cares who wins? they're all just MPAA puppets....

  29. Re:Wow, ChrisD has invented a new idiom by zephc · · Score: 2

    or to Munson something?

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  30. When you notice... by 3Suns · · Score: 3, Funny

    that Legally Blonde was nominated for almost every category, you have to ask yourself...

    Do I really care???

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  31. Oh my God! by stefanlasiewski · · Score: 4, Funny

    Oh my God! The Load Gunmen had a show??

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  32. MTV's IT department has screwed up before by Nightwraith · · Score: 5, Funny

    This isn't the first time that MTV's Web stuff has been poorly implemented. Around January of 2001 my friends and I began to watch MTV2 pretty regularly.

    Lo and behold we found the wonders of MTV's Control Freak show. While a video was playing on the show, you could visit their web site and vote for the next video to air. All this was implement ed with a simple "click on this video to vote for it" page that was simply replaced/edited then refreshed each time the new video began to air.

    Well we had already implemeted a web interfaced, Linux based, MP3 jukebox hooked directly to our stereo and also to an FM-stereo transmitter for longer range listening. Now we had the opportunity to have our very own Video Jukebox (granted with a somewhat limited selection).

    So we wrote a program to parse the page for the voting URL's, display them for selection, and then create http connections submitting the appropriate vote. On the normal interface this would send you to a new page asking you to "Click here to vote again" and the whole process would repeat itself.

    Now normally you would wait for a response that the vote submission went through. We didn't really care if it did or not since we were submitting votes as fast as we could open the connections successfully.

    This seemed to work fine, however we were still unable to watch anything we wanted since the rest of the world was voting as well. On the videos that were evenly split, we would supply the (many) deciding votes, but for the runaway hits we didn't have a fast enough connection with our piddly 768 u/d DSL modem (~1000 votes/min)

    That prompted a redesign of the program. Version 2 allowed for distributed vote submission. With the resources that we had (root on a few high performance computers connected to a burstable T3) the distributed program soon allowed us to submit ~15000 votes/min.

    This solution worked like a charm. Start the threads and the percentage on our video would start to climb like a mountain goat. Switch the video we were voting for and that one would climb. Nothing like seeing a piece of crap (Busta Rhyme's YoYoYo) go from 1% to 97% in less than 2 minutes.

    Well that next week or the week after that, Control Freak was not being aired. "No worries, we'll hit 'em next week."
    The next week, the show came on. We started voting for our favorite video. The percentages went up. And up. And, wait a minute the percentages just dropped 25%!

    Seems that MTV had caught on to our scheme and was culling our votes from the pool. Bastards!

    Well, we kept at it to see if we could find the cutoff limit for votes from a single IP address (that was the only way we could think of for them to remove just our votes). That way we could run the client for x amount of time/votes and then shut it off for maximum effectiveness.

    That worked for a week. The next week we had upgraded the client to "spoof" random IP's with each vote it sent out to bypass the culling machine.

    It bypassed the culling machine alright. That week the percentages would climb, then something broke. The percentages went to 20K+% on each video. Then our video went to 0%. So we chose a new video. It went to 0%.

    Right then we shut down the operation. Up till that point, we had been doing nothing wrong (well cept maybe the IP spoofing of votes) since they had encouraged users to vote multiple times. We had simply removed the human factor of the voting process. But finally we had broken THEIR program.

    We surmised that the program held the vote tallys in an int and when we started submitting votes, the ints overflowed and caused a serious problem with negative numbers being used to calculate the percentages. If we had continued to vote in that manner MTV could have sued us for breaking their computers. Very bad scene for 3 college students with no money. Not to mention the fact that the computers connected to that T3 were not ours, and we probably would have lost those jobs and been sued for misuse of company resources.

    But, I'll tell you that was probably the most fun I have ever had hacking any type of program/protocol/interface/hardware. This produced immediate results that you could not only see, but your friends on the other side of town could see as well.

    1. Re:MTV's IT department has screwed up before by Alsee · · Score: 2, Flamebait

      Nothing like seeing a piece of crap (Busta Rhyme's YoYoYo) go from 1% to 97% in less than 2 minutes.

      Hmmmmm.........
      I wonder if this could explain N'stync and TittenySpears.

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  33. still up by sconeu · · Score: 2

    as of now.

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  34. Not a leak; CNN published those winners 4 days ago by dstone · · Score: 3, Informative

    To the /. editors... Rather than get /. readers whipped into a 'this is news' frenzy, please consider doing some basic research on your stories before publishing them. Four days ago, CNN published those winners, as simple news (not even a 'leak') back then.

    Maybe chrisd was just hoping other people make mistakes similar to his original Lone Gunman fiasco. ;-)

  35. Spoiler? by saintlupus · · Score: 2

    in case you can't figure it out, spoiler alert...

    Hmm. That would imply that I was biting my nails on the edge of my seat, just dying to find out who won the Blandest Small-Chested Actress award.

    --saint

  36. Re:Not a leak; CNN published those winners 4 days by bluebomber · · Score: 2
    From the CNN story:
    Performers and presenters at the 2002 show, taped [on June 2] at the Shrine Auditorium in Los Angeles for broadcast Thursday...
  37. Hey, where are the Slashdot Awards? by gosand · · Score: 2
    So when are we going to see the Slashies?

    And the nominees for most hated "journalist" on slashdot are:
    Jon Katz.

    And the winner (loser) is...

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  38. MTV winner by totallygeek · · Score: 2
    I vote for Kellie Osbourne all the way! She did a great job performing Madonna's "Papa Don't Preach".

  39. Re:Lone Gunman?? Who Cares!! by ShavenYak · · Score: 2

    I just hate the Red Wings. I could care less who their goalie is at the time. I actually kinda like Hasek, but I'd much rather see the Canes win, even though I know that's unlikely.

    Roy may be the winningest goalie of all time, but when he's off, boy is he off. What the hell happened to him in Game 7? And why does he constantly pull bonehead moves like that Statue-Of-Liberty-look-at-my-great-save-oops-i-dro pped-the-puck-damn-its-in-the-net thing he did in game(5? 6? whichever)?

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  40. Irony by cybrpnk2 · · Score: 2

    irony : The use of words to express something different from and often opposite to their literal meaning. An expression or utterance marked by a deliberate contrast between apparent and intended meaning. A literary style employing such contrasts for humorous or rhetorical effect. See Synonyms at wit. Incongruity between what might be expected and what actually occurs: "Hyde noted the irony of Ireland's copying the nation she most hated" (Richard Kain). An occurrence, result, or circumstance notable for such incongruity.

    Duh, I think "lone gunmen" fits this definition pretty well as an "ironic" statement. I'm well aware it's a play on words referencing JFK - the LG origins ep from X-Files explains it quite clearly with Deep Throat II's parting exchange on the loading dock. And although you couldn't know that I remember very well The Day Kennedy Got Shot (impossible to forget the adrenaline rush, the world was different then, lots of people actually believed we would get nuked from the Russians by sunset), lots of people weren't even born at that time (or failed to become X-Files fans since) and might very well not get the "lone gunmen" reference. That doesn't make them a "jackass", and I for one would never "hate having to explain" a significant historical reference so that we all have a cultural identity to share regardless of our age or experience. Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it....