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Technology Sectors that are Hot or Heating Up Now?

unemployedCoder-in-retraining asks: "As a recently "leisured" programmer, I'm very interested in trying to turn misfortune into opportunity. This means using this career discontinuity to bone up on the latest-n-greatest in the hot sectors of the industry, to offer a better chance of a finding another great job. Of course, then one asks: 'What's Hot?' The Telco/Switching sector seems to have flatlined (Nortel and Lucent as examples). Cable and DSL access device and service development seems to be struggling. Wireless 3G networks seem to be having a hard time in North America. And yet, we here that a recovery is underway and that the technology sector as a whole is picking up again. So I ask you: 'Where?' In what sectors? What are the most important new technologies to learn to enhance employability? Somewhere, somebody is hiring or will be soon. What do I and other victims of the slowdown have to know to 'get back in the saddle' in the near future?"

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  1. Don't chase trends by csb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    By the time you figure out what's hot and train for it, it won't be hot any more. Just do what you like to do, do it well, and put yourself in a position where somebody will recognize you for it. Chasing trends will only exhaust you.

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    1. Re:Don't chase trends by selderrr · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I will depend heavily on the trend, and the trendsetter. If you want to chase a trent set by some small town startup, you're probably fucked indeed. If you follow a trens set up by a donkey with enough cash momentum to give that trend a huge initial push, you can hook up and ride along for quite some time.
      A few examples are .Net, XBox, java, 3D games, palm stuff... most of these started as a gadget that turned into a trend which turned into a full blown sector. Some of these will survive, some will die out.

      Hey, the poster asked for interseting job opportunities, right ? He didn't ask for an interesting or valuabble job !

    2. Re:Don't chase trends by neuroticia · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Chasing trends quite simply *will not* get you anywhere. Of course, neither will merely "doing something you like".

      Today's employer is looking for a well-rounded individual with a diverse skillset that includes a "working knowledge" (which appears to be the 'cname' for "I know of it, and if you give me a book and 3 days to read it, I can convince people who don't know much about it that I'm an expert") of the trends, but also a more traditional background. (ie: systems administrators should know some form of Unix, and be able to fake their way through Windows... Programmers should know C, C++ or another "commonly accepted industrial-strength" programming language... On TOP of that they can know the latest buzzword OS to hit the market, and whatever odd new language has been thrown into the fray.

      Having a well-rounded body of knowledge that includes both the 'classics', and the 'top 50' shows that you can be grounded and keep up at the same time.

      Optionally, you can follow the path that an increasing number of people seem to be following. Abandon the computer field for a bit. Look into occupations that seem to be suffering from a shortage of qualified workers. (Interpreters, home health care workers, etc.) If you're really at a loss for "what to learn" (there's so MUCH you should never find yourself asking this question.) then you just might find it a relief to get away from this particular industry for a while.

      That said--I would suggest that you don't spend much time chasing the trends at all. Bone up on the 'classics', once you get those entrenched in your mind it's a very short leap to figure out where the path leads from there.

      -Sara

    3. Re:Don't chase trends by 4of12 · · Score: 2

      Abandon the computer field for a bit. Look into occupations that seem to be suffering from a shortage of qualified workers.

      Actually, what I think works better is to expand on your non-computer areas of expertise and become someone that is qualified at bringing IT solutions to the $AREA.

      Say you know computers and used cars. Then, you'll have a leg up on people that only know one of those two areas. Granted, you'll have greater competition if you're looking to become a simple used car salesman or a plain IT hack with no other skills. But, if you can demonstrate to prospective employers that you know IT in a particular industry, I think you'll find it to be more rewarding and lucrative.

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  2. Wrong Forum by brad3378 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sounds more like a thermodynamics problem

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  3. .NET by selderrr · · Score: 2

    not that I can tell if the technology is any good, but if I lock you up for 10 days with 5 managers and a horse, both you and the horse will come out with eye-stare, mumbling '.NET is cool, .NET is the way to go...'

    this assumes offcourse that all 5 managers are as brainwashed as possible, but that's probably the easiest part.

  4. pornography by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Porn has always made money, and always will. So if your morals are OK with it, go be a gearhead for a porn site or publisher.

    I don't remember who said it, but I once read a quote that was along the lines of "The whole of computer science is nothing more than methods for increasing the efficiency of generating, storing, transmitting, viewing, and enjoying pornography." Heh.

    Or, to update the recurrent slashjoke:

    • Step 1: Satisfy people's base urges in an easy and discreet manner.
    • Step 2: Open merchant account.
    • Step 3: Mega-Profit
    1. Re:pornography by LinuxCumShot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The adult website market is too crowded, hard to get in an make money, and you have to deal with people stealing your photots. Other websites and users, and the gov't is more interrested in protecting music and movies than your smut, so you are on your own. Plus after 8 years of no worring about indecency, Dubya is back at tossing people in jail for fisting and such... plus the script kiddies and xxx password sites steal your bandwidth... its a tough business... and then your wife leaves you because you dicked on of your models...

      No my friends, the money is in the back end, servers and such, image viewers... supply the porn indusrtry with what it needs and the money will come rolling in... only down side is you won't actually get to see/touch the naked people.

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    2. Re:pornography by Tranvisor · · Score: 4, Informative

      Come on, give credit where credit's due.

      The Step 1,2,3 joke is from a Southpark episode. Specifically, "The Underpants Gnomes".

      The original joke was that the gnnomes buisness method was:

      Step 1: Steal Underpants
      Step 2: ??? (None of the gnomes could remember)
      Step 3: Profit!!

    3. Re:pornography by mickwd · · Score: 3, Funny

      "No my friends, the money is in the back end"

      No wonder they call it dirty money.

    4. Re:pornography by dubl-u · · Score: 3, Funny

      But that episode didn't air until 1998. Clearly they stole it from here:

      Step 1: Get market share
      Step 2: ???
      Step 3: Profit!!

      Which was the business plan of 92% of VC-funded internet companies starting in 1996.

  5. AI by Astin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Where I'm working (large financial institution) they're starting to look into AI as a means of predicting market movement and trends. One could see this as becoming key in other areas as well. Any field that tries to predict chaos or long-term trends could potentially be looking into this.

    Of course, there's the danger you'll invent a supercomputer that takes of the world and sends killer robots back in time to kill the leader of the resistance. This naturally would lead to his psychotic mother trying to kill you and you ultimately sacrificing yourself to save the future. Something to think about.

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    1. Re:AI by jesser · · Score: 3, Funny

      Where I'm working (large financial institution) they're starting to look into AI as a means of predicting market movement and trends.

      If your AI predicts that AI is the hot field for the next few years, do you trust it?

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    2. Re:AI by dubl-u · · Score: 2

      Large financial institutions have been doing this for quite a while. The crash of '87 was allegedly made substantially worse by automated trading systems, so much so that the SEC muzzled 'em substantially.

      The nice thing about working for financial companies is that they aren't afraid to spend money if they think they can make money. But beware: trading atracts the most prodigious bullshitters and superstious nut-jobs that I've ever seen. If I could get a dollar for everybody who thought they had sure-fire way to beat the market and make millions, I'd make millions.

  6. Adult Industry by LinuxCumShot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Good times or bad times, the adult industry is unaffected. And they are always the first ones to adopt new tech...

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    1. Re:Adult Industry by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 5, Funny

      And they are always the first ones to adopt new tech...

      ...especially if it vibrates.

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    2. Re:Adult Industry by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      (* Good times or bad times, the adult industry is unaffected. *)

      That is not true. In paycheck-poor times one simply pastes new heads on old bodies using a pixel editor. You don't have to pay to get head images. (Cheapskate Geek Tip #74)

      Also, I wonder what will happen to the porn industry when people can buy porn simulation software that can generate/render infinate variations? Want 3 mellons instead of 2? No problem! It is hard for real girls to compete with that (except maybe at Chyrnobol).

    3. Re:Adult Industry by Ryan+Amos · · Score: 2

      Aah, but someone has to write the porn simulation (or should I say stimulation) software. Someone has to produce the hardware. You see, there will always be something to do in the adult industry. Plus, they ARE the first ones to use new technology. Long distance telephone, VHS and web-video are just some of the examples of where the porn industry has been way ahead of the rest of the market.

    4. Re:Adult Industry by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      (* Aah, but someone has to write the porn simulation software *)

      Yes, but one person might generate enough images to put 10,000 other porn workers out of work. It is kind of like how computers put calculator clerks out of business. Supposedly the long-term trend is away from low-tech jobs to higher tech jobs. But, the problem is that they are going to India. I think the U.S. is becoming a Nation of Managers. If you are not a good manager, you are hosed. Low tech gets automated, high-tech is exported to India, so what is left is PHB's to manage everything else.

      That one porn software job might be interesting, however. "Boss, I need to study a few more live models to get scene 4 juuuust right."

  7. Reason for overly sunny info by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've been reading the book Next (my father reccomended it. He's a businessman so it's at that level. It did have some interesting stuff though, like explaining the conflicts of interest that most financial advisers are involved in and how you can get more accurate estimates of profits just by reducing their estimates by 10%.

    So that can help to explain why what you're hearing isn't matching up with reality.

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    1. Re:Reason for overly sunny info by interiot · · Score: 2
      Also the job market tends to lag behind the economy a bit.

      People who are currently employed are feeling secure enough in their current position to start spending more, so that's helping to speed the economy up. But companies 1) don't need to start hiring more employees because they can just make the current ones work harder, and 2) hiring someone is a longer-term commitment, and it's not necessarily clear yet that the economy has picked up for good.

    2. Re:Reason for overly sunny info by Beliskner · · Score: 2
      ? If it's about the uncertainty regarding whether the economy has any more shoes to drop, you are not a very good student of economic history. Many recessions have a mild initial dip, such as this one, then recover a bit as inventory is depleted and manufacturing starts, and then demand falls out and the real recession begins. Most of the time few people had a clue that a "double dip" would happen, and many at the point of recovery from the first dip predicted that there would be no more economic trouble for a while
      That's a +5 in my book. The question is has the WTC attack induced the second dip prematurely making this the real recovery, or is the effect of WTC merely to cause a short-term artificial dip, then a short-term artificial recovery (NOW) followed by a full recession (SOON)?
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  8. long answer...short answer... by gTsiros · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Short one: If we knew, we'd be doing it.
    Longer one:
    I can't tell you what...but you can start using your imagination trying to find something that people would use frequently.

    And now for some brainstorming:

    Whatever you do, a good marketing dpt. will make it look better. This is sad.

    Not "one" thing there is. Ok, yoda speak, but what i want to get to is that people need to fill gaps in the business...some people do this...some people do that... coding is fun , ok, but if everone only coded, it'd be dull.

    Look which /. subjects seem to get most attention. I consider these subjects "hot". Do this with various other publications, and since we all have seen how satire foresees reality, start with the onion ;)

    storm's out.

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    1. Re:long answer...short answer... by ComaVN · · Score: 2, Funny

      Look which /. subjects seem to get most attention. I consider these subjects "hot"

      DON'T!!! before you know it, you'll be pouring hot grits into your widened asshole.
      Oh he meant the articles... My bad.

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    2. Re:long answer...short answer... by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      (* Look which /. subjects seem to get most attention. I consider these subjects "hot". *)

      "The most attention" often seems to go to what is the most controversial or bashes Microsoft (which they probably deserve).

      BTW, I see a huuuuge gap in remote GUI's over HTTP technology (see Andreeson browser interview topic messages), but nobody seems to care. Businesses keep trying to make HTTP browsers act like VB/Delphi GUI's for biz forms, but the existing standards suck at it.

      Why is it that I see a giant market for such and nobody else does? Is it because their DOM+JavaScript skills are hard-won and they don't want to start over? I am missing something?

      The remote-GUI issue could serve as a case study for what takes off and what doesn't.

      (Sorry to keep bringing up this subject, but it both fascinates and frustrates me.)

    3. Re:long answer...short answer... by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 2

      Look which /. subjects seem to get most attention.

      OK, so now I just need to find a job involving hot grits in my pants, goatse.cx, and Natalie Portman. Check

  9. Support! by NullStream · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There are always open and varried opportunities in the ever strong field of technical support!

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    1. Re:Support! by ImaLamer · · Score: 2

      funny thing is that I was told to go into "help desk" positions by my "counselor" for the states vocational rehab (i'm disabled, bi-polar type I)

      The lady also said that certification is the best way to go!

      Afterward of course I came home throwing shit and yelling "dumb whore!"

      I tried to tell her in the office to visit ask.slashdot.org but she won't listen.

  10. Um... by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 2

    Maybe you'd be better off doing what you like, and quit chasing buzzwords.

  11. Just like the economy? by ComaVN · · Score: 2, Informative

    I have heard the economy is starting to pick up again for months, yet no real signs of improvements show up. Probably the same for the job market for some time.

    My advice: lay back, have a beer, meet new people and do interesting things with them, and when cash runs out go flip some burgers or something. In a few years time, when things look better, they'll come running for you again.

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    1. Re:Just like the economy? by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      (* Talk of the tech sector being on the upswing is so much B.S. Don't believe the hype. *)

      That is not what I hear. I am hearing that the *overall* economy is improving.

      However, tech itself is still slow, and so is hiring in general. Hiring is traditionally the last to pick up, according to many analysts.

      The problem is that consumer spending is starting to slow, and it was just about the only thing preventing a much bigger slide. If other parts don't start to pick up soon, then everything may slide down together again.

      Lowering interest rates can't work any further. The only trick left in the Fed's bag is defecit spending.

      If a re-slide happens, time to practice:

      "Do you want fries with that?"

    2. Re:Just like the economy? by xtremex · · Score: 2

      Flip burgers? Not everyone here is 22 and lives at home. Some have a MORTGAGE to pay. Some have a child to feed.And have you tried getting a job flipping burgers? They won't hire an educated 32 year old. Plus, BK wont pay my mortgae..answer that one.

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    3. Re:Just like the economy? by Beliskner · · Score: 2
      The entire economy will continue to fall as more and more companies go belly up, or lay people off to stay afloat. This isn't just a recession, it's a depression
      Dude, sounds like you're talking more about yourself than about the economy. Take some Prozac (don't worry everyone does, especially nowadays).

      Recessions usually last about 6 years, we've only had it for 2. When the STUPID Merrill Lynch and friends illiterate "Analysts" find that they've been talking up the economy because everyone *wants* a recovery, and that things have been a little buoyant recently because they were banking on a recovery, they're gonna get screwed for 4 years. Now the Japanese economy, now that's different, or perhaps the US is also suffering from this baby boomer effect, hmmmm.

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  12. Biotech is the future. by User+956 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just look at the stock market. Biotech is the future, my friend. In the new annual ranking of the Nasdaq 100 index--made up of the 100 largest nonfinancial companies ranked by market capitalization--seven of the 13 companies added were in biotech. The new entrants include such familiar names as ImClone Systems (IMCL ), Cephalon (CEPH ), Sepracor (SEPR ), and Invitrogen (IVGN ); they replace 13 faltering tech, telecom, and Internet outfits, including onetime stars CMGI (CMGI ), 3Com (COMS ), and Palm (PALM ). All told, biotech companies now represent 12.7% of the market capitalization of all the companies in the index, nearly triple the share they held only two years ago.

    Sounds an awful lot like the Internet bubble all over again, I know. And in one sense, it is: The high market capitalization of many of these stocks suggests that investors are paying a lot in anticipation of future earnings that may never materialize. It costs tens of millions of dollars and can take five to 15 years to get a drug from the test tube to the clinic--and many drugs simply don't make it.

    In several ways, however, this boom is different. The industry is more mature than it was a decade ago, when it last rose and fell. New alliances, new products, and new financing should combine to produce lasting growth in this once-turbulent field. There are some 300 biotech products in Phase III testing, the final stage of human experimentation before seeking Food & Drug Administration approval. The FDA issued 32 approvals for biotech drugs in 2000, a 45% increase over 1999. Sales of biotech products rose from $16.1 billion in 1999 to $18.1 billion in 2000, an increase of 12%. And there were 22 profitable biotechs in 1999, up from 17 in 1997. In addition, there is a distinct lack of bearded linux hippies in biotech, making it a much more attractive market segment to the general public.

    Furthermore, unlike many Internet companies, the biotech companies are targeting clear and existing markets. Many Internet companies devised products without knowing whether there were markets for them. Others, such as Yahoo!, aimed for ad revenues that proved far smaller than hoped. Biotech companies don't have that problem: A drug for arthritis or cancer, say, has a huge market. If their drugs work, the biotechs will make money.

    Excitement in biotech will likely get another boost when the climate for initial public offerings improves. There are 50-100 biotech companies waiting to go public, says Oronsky. That's where casual investors should be especially careful. Some of today's most promising biotechs will undoubtedly fall short of the hype. Unfortunately, that's one way this boom won't differ much from the last.

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    1. Re:Biotech is the future. by RevRigel · · Score: 2

      Of course, the CEO of first company you listed, ImClone systems, was just arrested and charged with insider trading for notifying his friends (including Martha Stuart) and family that the company's cancer drug wasn't going to be approved prior to the information becoming public, enabling them to sell off the still-valuable stock.

  13. web services by bilbobuggins · · Score: 3, Interesting
    web services.

    i know it sounds like a trendy buzz-word but i think it's here to stay and some seriously cool stuff will start to happen soon (look at Google).
    at any rate, if you can walk into a potential employer and say 'I can convert your current software into a remote API for access by your clients in a multitude of languages' I think you have a pretty good shot at a job. at least, this is what I would be trying to learn if I had time.

    Oh, and being able to throw around 'SOAP' and '.NET' a lot doesn't hurt too much either ;)

    1. Re:web services by tzanger · · Score: 4, Informative

      i know it sounds like a trendy buzz-word but i think it's here to stay and some seriously cool stuff will start to happen soon (look at Google).

      The web is dead.

      I didn't create this tech but I am using it to replace shitty HTML+Jscript+prayers+sacrifices web-based interfaces. There are some other guys like XWT too but XWT is simple, straightfoward and fast. It essentially projects UIs -- do you forms locally (on the client machines) but all your business logic sits on a server where it belongs. Talkes XML-RPC and SOAP. Very cool. Way way way better than what I would call traditional "web services."

    2. Re:web services by SerpentMage · · Score: 2

      I honestly think Web Service is not going to get anywhere. Not that I do not support Web Services. I like Web Services and have been using them for several years (really).

      But I am getting the feeling Web Services is technology that is nice to have but not necessary (at the moment). People are fighting other battles.

      I honestly think the IT industry is going to go back to "traditional" programming and skip the other stuff. It seems to me that IT is in a contraction phase. And that is resulting that software is going to be moved to Java and the .NET runtime. Or more generally put, the era of runtimes since we seem to have CPU cycles to waste. This is not exciting stuff, but something that will take at least 10 years to complete. And during this phase to "runtimes" things like distributed processing (a'la BeoWolf) will become mainstream.

      After that who knows? But definitely software is entering a boring phase. So if you want excitement go west young man, go west!

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    3. Re:web services by adam_megacz · · Score: 2

      [Disclosure: I wrote XWT]

      X11 and XWT do different things. The essential differences are:

      • XWT doesn't require you to download/install an X server. The client side is packaged as an ActiveX control for Windows users and a Java Applet for everybody else. The native code Linux/Solaris client is in beta testing.
      • XWT actually transmits the widget behaviors to the client. This means that scrolling a scrollbar, clicking a checkbox, or pulling down a menu happens entirely on the client side. The upshot is that you can actually use XWT across the public internet (even dialup!) without painful lag, unlike X11, which was designed for LANs.
    4. Re:web services by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      Remote GUI's need these features IMO:

      1. Latency Friendly - Does not require sub-second response time to act "normal". This generally means that textboxes, scrollbars, etc. are managed by the local GUI browser and not the server. XWindows and Citrix-like approaches generally faulter here because they send each and every pixel change. The protocol needs to be at the widget level and not the pixel level (accept as an option perhaps).

      2. Can run over HTTP - Firewalls and other issues make using something other than HTTP a pain in the wazoo.

      3. No app-specific client-side scripting or executable downloading - A Turing-complete language creates too many upgrade and security problems, plus makes it easier to steel business logic.

      4. Delta-based updates. Unlike HTML browsers, one should not have to redraw or resend entire screens just to change one small part.

      5. Open standard

      6. Simple

      (BTW, I am the author of the SCGUI draft standard, a competitor to XWT, although I respect XWT. Number 3 is probably where we differ the most.)

  14. Novely Websites, The Trend of the FUTURE.... by donnacha · · Score: 4, Funny


    IsMyJobHotorNot.com

  15. Bioinformatics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Using IT to crunch the genome, protiens, protien-folding, creating treaments by targeting specific molecular recpetor sites, etc. Definitely the next hot area and mostly wide-open from an IT perspective.

  16. One word by mfos.org · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Security, this is the big one now

    1. Re:One word by Telastyn · · Score: 2

      *bump*

      I for one work in the computer security industry, and we (largely) did not feel much ill-effects from the .com problems (perhaps also because we're not a .com). Security is still high on everyone's minds after the Mafiaboy escapades and to PHB's 9/11. The industry is changing from anti-virus crap and dumb firewalls to things that actually provide security, and there's tons of cash to be made doing so.

  17. Biotech? by cr0sh · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This may be the next big thing, but right now most of what the usual geek could get into seems mostly hype. What I am talking about is the field of Bioinformatics. From what I understand, Bioinformatics is basically "data mining of biotech databases" - more or less. I know there are a few books available on the subject (including one by Oreilly). The main problems with "breaking into the scene" is most positions, when offered, require you to have some kind of science degree (biology related, generally) - even though it is just data-mining. I tend to wonder if it is because you really have to know the terminology behind the data you are looking through (maybe), or if it is just such a young field that the employers thinks they need such people right now.

    It is something I would like to get into: I live in Phoenix, and the city is trying to get something going here called the "International Genomics Commission" (IGC - the "C" part I am hazy on) - basically a huge research lab for biotech, etc - so far, it is seemingly being sucessful. Anyhow, I haven't got a chance in hell of possibly getting onboard "early", so to speak, because not only do I not have a degree in any bio science area, but I don't have a degree at all (ok, I take that back, I do have an Associates, but from a tech school - read: Near Worthless). All I do have is 10+ years of professional experience in software development and database applications - but I am not sure that will count for much, at least at this point in time.

    Another area to consider: Alternative Energy Research - I am not talking solar, etc - but more on funky engine and prime mover designs, etc - I am seeing more of this stuff crop up all over the place.

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    1. Re:Biotech? by Lictor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As someone working in Bioinformatics, here are a couple of quick opinions on your post:

      Bioinformatics is *NOT* "just data-mining". Certainly, data-mining of genetic information is one aspect, but its far from being the whole field. There are lots of really interesting problems besides just "how do we deal with this huge genome..." Protien secondary structure prediction, tertiary structure prediction, computational pharmacokinetics (and biomolecule docking problems) etc... there is just *so* much more to the field than data mining.

      The other thing is that this is only going to be "hot" for a limited amount of time. Bioinformatics is here to stay, but right now its on a huge trendy upswing. Drug companies are throwing millions of dollars at it in hopes of developing an 'in silico' drug testing lab... sooner or later they are going to realize that there is still a LOT of basic science that needs to be done before this happens. People working in bioinfo in industy are getting some pretty ludicrous salaries these days (yes I'm jealous... I'm in academia), but it ain't gonna last. Like any other flavour of the week there will be a huge bursting of the bubble, followed by a nice levelling off.

      If bioinformatics *interests* you, then I would highly recommend pursuing it. Its a very rewarding area, and it offers you the opportunity to work with people from many different disciplines. But if you are on the "Bioinformatics == $$" bandwagon... you're going to end up dissapointed.

    2. Re:Biotech? by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 3, Informative

      From what I understand, Bioinformatics is basically "data mining of biotech databases" - more or less.

      Not quite. That is a part of it, but there is more to it than that. For example, an experimental technique called microarray analysis was developed in 1998 for finding expression profiles for thousands of genes at once. Companies manufacture "chips" with thousands of spots on them, and each spot has a specific piece of probe DNA on it, chemically bound to the chip substrate. You take a biological sample with unknown mRNA, attach a dye to the mRNA, and expose the chip to your sample. The unknown dyed mRNA hybridizes only to the specific probe sequence that one spot on the chip has. You then rinse the chip, put it in a fluorescence scanner, and whammo, you know the intensity of mRNA concentration (i.e. the level of gene expression) in your sample for thousands of genes in the genome. Just doing this for one or two genes used to be a lot of work. Repeat this procedure with a bunch of chips (mitosis phase, day of treatment, patient, etc.) and you have an immense pile of expression profile data to sift through! But somewhere buried in there may be a good lead for a drug target that can be teased out with the right statistical algorithm. So a niche market exists for good gene expression analysis software, which is what my company makes. There exist only a few customers for software like this, but they're all biotech and pharmaceutical companies (and some universities) for whom the cost of the software is trivial. We have a large market share built up by word-of-mouth. So life is pretty good right now for us.

      Bioinformatics doesn't automatically mean easy money. The field has already seen companies fail (e.g. DoubleTwist). And it seems like everyone and his brother is trying to form a dot-com style bioinformatics startup. I personally know two guys who are busy launching startups that are bound to fail. The time to start a bioinformatics startup was 1998-1999 during the dot-com boom. Now it's too late. Being in a trendy field won't save you if you have no product to sell.

      I know there are a few books available on the subject (including one by Oreilly).

      The O'Reilly book has some good information, but keep in mind it is mostly targeted toward the biotech researcher (the end-user) and not the programmer who is developing tools for biologists to use. It tells you how to use the software that's already out there. They have a Perl book out too, again targeted at biologists. There is a lot of string manipulation in bioinformatics. But there is also a lot of numerical analysis which is not exactly Perl's strong suit. In theory, a biologist who understands statistics well and knows how to do his own ANOVAs and clustering can probably do everything he needs to do with Perl and Excel. Thankfully for us, most of the people with expression data to analyze are not quite as industrious as that. :)

      The main problems with "breaking into the scene" is most positions, when offered, require you to have some kind of science degree (biology related, generally) - even though it is just data-mining.

      First of all, like I said, it usually isn't just blind data-mining, there is also some intense numerical analysis. Second, if they've got a clueless HR dept. who demands that programmers have some sort of bio degree, they're completely Dilberted and going under soon anyway so it's no big loss to you. A general biology background is easy to pick up. If you skim through a college-level textbook and learn how DNA/RNA works, what open reading frames, promoters, and introns are, you're basically all set as far as that stuff is concerned. You'll still need to learn about how to interact with the messy public databases out there (GenBank, Homologene, UniGene, LocusLink, Gene Ontology, etc.) that suffer from missing or incomplete data and/or non-unique identifers. You also have to cope with the lack of data format standardization in the industry and the proliferation of oddball formats to be parsed. Familiarity with all that stuff is much more important, and a biology degree doesn't help you much with it. And good programmers are way too rare for us to be picky about who's got a bio degree. Of the programmers here, not a single one is a biologist (actually, all the programmers here have physics and EE backgrounds). If you interview here we won't even talk to you about biology. We ask people simple programming questions, like how to raise two to a small integer power (to generate a bit mask, for example). You'd be amazed at how many people immediately convert the 2 to floating point and call pow().

  18. Defense is way up by lingqi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Try Northrop Grumman / Lockeed Martin / Boeing, etc

    as for the pure, pure computer area -- i think people are returning to the "core business". (chip wise)

    LCD is another area;

    wireless is picking up a little steam (look at how many DSL routers there are!), as well as other marginal stuff -- HDTV, PDA, etc...

    cellphone and pda integration is considered to be inevitable by some -- so cellphones are not "flatlining", they are just not exploding as they were before.

    at the same time digital imaging (cameras / miniDV camcorders) are sparking a huge thing within flash market -- look how the size have doubled time and again: imagine how much $$ of R&D / engineering went into that

    home entertainment (xbox / ps2 / cube) is also kinda hot -- sony expect to sell a LOT of ps2s by christmas -- and ppl are gearing up for that too.

    there are a couple more -- can't think of them off the top my head though

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  19. Like in The Graduate, but different. by vegetablespork · · Score: 2, Insightful

    One word: forensics. Between Enronesque corporate investigations, the kiddie porn scares, and the emphasis on "cyber security," there's lots of opportunity there. But don't do it unless you have the stomach to be the guy that helps put some teenager playing with a website in prison, because at the end of the day, that's what the computer crime "units" seem to enjoy most.

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  20. Small Business by peterdaly · · Score: 3, Informative

    I would argue small business, based on what I have seeing. Big business has jumpe on the e-commerce bandwagon, but for the most part small busniesses have not yet really touched its potential.

    I am not in the consulting industry, but I believe there is quite a lot of business to be had by aproaching the right small companies with the right plans. If I were "leisured" at the moment, which I am not, in addition to looking for a real job, I would aproach some small businesses in my area with "solutions" to get started in e-commerce, or e-customer service. My mechanic, who can barely use a mouse has just setup a site, and plans to offer information about his high quality used car inventory. If you had a simple turnkey site for a market like that, there is a decent living to be had. Now kep in mind, you probably cannot charge the $95 an hour you used to get. However, there are many low end turn key systems to be sold. 40 dealers/mechanics at $1000 a site would be the equivilent of an entry to mid level programmer in my market. How many small mechanics, or used car dealers are there in your area? Used cars are just an example, I am sure you can come up with more on your own. It helps if you have an "in" with at least one business of the type you intend to go after to get your foot in the door.

    Anyway, if I had a few weeks ahead of me where my employment was uncertain, I'd identify a market like that, and go after it. This is also a market where open source can be used to your advantage if you approach the situation correctly.

    Hope I have gotten some thoughts going,

    -Pete

  21. Web services. by case_igl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I see lots of growth in Web services and entertainment. There are lots of companies transitioning to membership based models now, and that generates a lot of work to build those subscription systems and management tools.

    I just hired four new developers at my company, so I will give you some pointers for actually getting in the door once you have found a company to interview for:

    #1 - Accept the fact you'll most likely make less money than your last position. Times have changed in most markets. I hired for four positions and had 150 resumes (not counting the throw them in the trash right away kind). Lots of people I interviewed were looking for salaries that were gone with the 1999 dot com frenzy. Don't mentioned your MBA or Masters in CompSci fifty times, either.

    #2 - Don't accept less money than you're worth. With #1 being said, don't short sell yourself either. Companies are getting away with murder when they hire right now because the market is so bad for those out of work. You want to come across as someone who is WORTH every penny you ask for. How to do this? Focus on things at your previous jobs that increased efficiency or saved your company money. As an example, someone I hired told me about how they cut their company's bandwidth costs by 30% by installing a proxy that used mod_gzip on everything going out. Companies will pay for people who will not only save them money, but FIND them ways to save even more money.

    #3 - Be assertive, but not forceful. People who call me every two days to follow-up annoy the heck out of me. It sends a signal that you're desparate and don't have other options. Definately send an E-mail thanking the person for an interview with a couple BRIEF thoughts. If you call back more than once and don't hear back, don't waste your time chasing the job.

    #4 - Focus on MY needs, not yours. I don't want to hear about how you are really heavily involved in open source, or have this web site you help maintain on the side that gets uber traffic. Things like that spell distraction to me. Review the Web site or product catalog of the company you are going to interview for. Do a Google search and read recent press on the company. Try to get an idea of what challenges the company is facing and apply your past project experience directly to that.

    #5 - Dress and act appropriately. Don't show up in a suit unless it's an executive position and you're in an area of the country that requires it. Being overdressed makes you look out of place, and tells me you haven't been in circulation or interviewed much. Comb your hair, take out those nose rings (unless you're a graphics person, haha), and ask questions. If you don't understand something you're asked, say so. Nothing is worse than watching someone try to fake their way through an answer.

    #6 - Base the business on the numbers and the market, not the Herman Miller chairs. Our office isn't super deluxe. It's pretty spartan, just a couple floors of cubes and Costco desks, tables, etc. But we're profitable for over a year, have over three million users, have positive growth, and have been in business on the net for over six years. You won't find a good job that will last if a company spends more on their office than their payroll.

    #7 - Avoid the startup...This one is more of my personal experience, but most people I know are sick of hearing about startups. Hearing someone works at a startup in most cases sends up warning signs. You're better off working for a smaller, established company that is challenged by it's growth and needs quality people. You'll learn a lot more when you don't have to worry if your paycheck will be coming next month.

    Just some thoughts from the front lines of a smallish Internet company in Seattle...Hope this helps!

    Case

    1. Re:Web services. by rkent · · Score: 2

      Okay, I'm going to blow my mod priviledges in this thread to ask you a followup question:

      #1 - Accept the fact you'll most likely make less money than your last position.

      #2 - Don't accept less money than you're worth. With #1 being said, don't short sell yourself either.


      How do we, as developers, get a good hold on this? Should we put any stock at all in those online "salary comparisons" that say a person with job X in market Y makes $Z?

      Part of my problem is that I'm relocating to a new market with a significantly higher cost of living than my old place. So I don't know if I should be asking for about the SAME as my last position, figuring that the market difference will make that "lower," or go even LOWER than my old salary and live like a peon.

      That, and how does the salary requirement influence you? Do you require it on resumes/monster searches, and just toss out the ones that have unreal demands? Personally, I'd rather just interview and then discuss what a reasonable salary would be if it seems like a good fit.

    2. Re:Web services. by yog · · Score: 2

      I see lots of growth in Web services and entertainment.

      Thanks for your thoughtful posting. I'm curious whether you mean you are seeing lots of growth now, or you simply mean you are predicting growth. I have not seen much growth yet. Of course, it depends how you define web services, but I'm talking about opening up a company's data to its customers via services written using serverside J2EE or .NET.

      There's certainly a lot of interest in web services, and some very large companies are promoting it as the next big thing, but I wonder how much of that interest has been realized in terms of broad based investments by customers. According to the Gartner Group, by the year 2004 Web services will be the primary method of delivering corporate software solutions. That's a pretty bold statement.

      Regarding your job interview advice, your advice is pretty sound, except:
      #5 - ...Don't show up in a suit unless it's an executive position

      That's possibly true in certain places but it's a very bad rule of thumb. Better to always wear your best suit. Do you really want to work at a place where people look down on you for being well dressed? How silly.

      #6 - Base the business on the numbers and the market, not the Herman Miller chairs

      You don't always know where the furniture came from; my brother's medical clinic has these $5000 leather sofas that he got for like $300 each--slight damage in delivery or some such, and he's got an eye for bargains. Personally I'd be put off if they didn't have decent ergonomic chairs and keyboard holders; it's such a good investment. I might still take the job and then lobby for (or just bring in my own) better equipment, but nonetheless it's not a good sign.

      #7 - Avoid the startup

      Well if we all did this, what a boring world it would be. Startups are a great opportunity to learn all about business, which the typical tech person doesn't necessarily get working at a larger company. Plus, you get to do more stuff, e.g. if you're a database programmer you might also be involved in installing and admin'ing the databases until the company got big enough to hire a dba. It's all in what the individual is seeking, and the original question was about trends to jump on, not how to find a stable boring position.

      -Terry

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    3. Re:Web services. by case_igl · · Score: 2
      How do we, as developers, get a good hold on this? Should we put any stock at all in those online "salary comparisons" that say a person with job X in market Y makes $Z?

      Salary comparisons online lag pretty far behind the real job market. The data they are using is always at least six months old, and I'm sure many of the online sites are using data older than that.

      A better source would be cost of living comparisons between cities. That will give you a starting point. I relocated from the East coast 3.5 years ago to Seattle, and that's what I did.

      Part of my problem is that I'm relocating to a new market with a significantly higher cost of living than my old place. So I don't know if I should be asking for about the SAME as my last position, figuring that the market difference will make that "lower," or go even LOWER than my old salary and live like a peon.

      The employer lives there, and they know what it costs to live there. So don't feel bad about asking for more than you "feel" worth in a market like that. Just make sure it's in live with how much you were making over the cost of living at your old position.

      That, and how does the salary requirement influence you? Do you require it on resumes/monster searches, and just toss out the ones that have unreal demands? Personally, I'd rather just interview and then discuss what a reasonable salary would be if it seems like a good fit.

      I've asked people to submit salary requirements with resumes, but honestly less than 5% of people are willing to do that. Usually the last couple questions in an interview I ask to get a handle on a "range" that someone would be comfortable with. If someone says their low end is, say, 90K and they have only a year or two of experience, that's a pretty good indicator it's a waste of my time (when hiring entry level positions, especially).

      I think it's important people be honest about their expectations. You don't want to waste your time if you can't make $x, but you aren't qualified for $y. So say you'd like to make between $x and $y and then you'll arrive at $z.

      Again, I'm not suggestion you shouldn't earn enough to feel happy and comfortable. I'm saying that to get that kind of salary in this job market, you need to sell yourself well.

      A good tactic is to ask for a real world problem they are facing right now, and give them your 30 second "from the tip of my tongue" solution. If the person interviewing comes away from it with a couple new ideas it will help get you in the door.

      Good luck!

      Case

    4. Re:Web services. by Brento · · Score: 2

      If you're so petty as to dismiss someone because of something as minor as a nose ring, I would rather work at WalMart than for you.

      Ever seen someone at Wal-Mart with a nose ring? They have standards on everything from the length of your fingernails to no dyed neon hair. The more you deal with the public, the more stringent standards you get from your employer, especially if you're talking about a national chain like Wal-Mart.

      Stick with Starbucks. They like that alternative look.

      --
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    5. Re:Web services. by MxTxL · · Score: 2

      Well, maybe wal-mart is a bad example... the people they put out front with the public are decent enough, but at the 24-hr Wal-marts, the ones where they stock the shelves while there are still people in the store, at 3am I've seen some freaky ass people lugging boxes. Sure, they were wearing blue vests with smiley faces on them, but the tatoos and Rob Zombie beard don't match.

      Disney is a better example, they have standards down to what color nail polish or lipstick the girls can wear.

    6. Re:Web services. by Kanasta · · Score: 2

      Here's the thing I don't get. Whenever you talk to recruiters, friends, your boss and such, they always say you should always wear a suit to an interview.

      What do you mean you don't think a suit is necessary? I mean, as developers, we didn't wear suits to work, but even now, some of the others are wearing suits to work ever since the layoffs.

  22. This one's heating up real hot... by i_want_you_to_throw_ · · Score: 4, Informative

    Bioinformatics.

    Just north of Washington DC area there are almost 200 companies that are working in the bioinformatics area s. Subject knowledge is good of course but even better is knowledge of Perl. O'Reilly even has 2 books Beginning Perl for Bioinformatics and Developing Bioinformatics Computer Skills

    Then there are companies that are doing lots of work regarding facial recognition.

    Hope this helps.

    1. Re:This one's heating up real hot... by the+gnat · · Score: 2

      If you have a good CS degree, you can get a decent job. But the real jobs are for scientists. Even if you're not all that great a programmer, if you're a PhD you can do real "experimentation", insofar as this is possible with computers. Knowing how to investigate a problem is the real problem- how you do it is often secondary. Without real training in the life sciences (and math, and sometimes physics) you'll be lost without someone to direct you.

      Of course, there are cases where good programming skills are most important. But if you're the type who needs those O'Reilly books, I wouldn't bother. Those are great for biologists who need to pick up some bioinformatics on the side. Real computer programmers would do better to pick up a serious biochem text, and think about grad school.

  23. See this slashdot story... by RyanFenton · · Score: 2


    http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/05/27/002523 2&tid=99

    Much of the comments from that story apply here.

    :^)

    Ryan Fenton

  24. Wireless Broadband Internet by istartedi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    People are starving for inexpensive, easy to setup, wireless. Some day we'll be able to just slap a $20 antenna on any suburban rooftop and log onto a network. Until then, there are a lot of people looking for "solutions". Move fast if this excites you. Entrepreneurs are already moving on it.

    If this doesn't turn you on, exploit fears of terrorism. That could include surveillance, security, privacy issues, encryption... anything spook-related.

    Of course, you'll be lucky to get something you actually like in this economy.

    --
    For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
  25. Re:technology or sectors? by BeerGood · · Score: 2, Informative

    I started working in military technologie a month before Sept. Needly to say my career as IT programmer in this area has surged.

  26. Video Games by Screaming+Lunatic · · Score: 2

    Even though M$ is doing to well with their X-Box, video game makers are doing great. They have three new consoles to develop for. They Geforce3's are also becoming mass market. That means developers can pull off tricks with the progamable pixel pipeline that they couldn't do with the fixed function pipeline.

  27. Re:Bio-informatics by Paul+Johnson · · Score: 5, Informative
    Biotech is increasingly an IT-intensive industry. Some of the biggest iron in the world exists to crunch biotech problems, mostly related to protein folding and drug interactions. They also generate huge amounts of experimental data that has to be managed and mined. Finally there is a lot of automated lab equipment for parallelising those bits of it that still involve real chemicals and real biology.

    The field here is wide open. Lots of university biology departments are spinning off companies to make innovative new sensors, so you can get involved there. Or you can go and manage a Beowulf cluster for a big drug firm. Or anything in between.

    Paul.

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    You are lost in a twisty maze of little standards, all different.
  28. Security by nakhla · · Score: 2

    Information security is probably the hottest segment of the market right now. Penetration testing, intrusion detection, common criteria. There are a ton of different things that you can do in the field, and there's LOTS of demand. Plus, since there are a lot of positions as government contractors available you have a bit more job security than you would have as a contractor for the commercial market.

  29. Dumb Yahoo by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    (* Yahoo!, aimed for ad revenues that proved far smaller than hoped. *)

    Yahoo just seems to be making stupid decisions. I see almost *no* subject-based targeting in their geocities ads. I don't remember a single computer-related ad in my IT-related websites (such as my anti-OO site). It is already classified as a computer-related site in their system.

    Further, they are killing thier own "children". They are starting to "clean up" older sites that have not changed, regardless of the number of visitors.

    The cost of storing and transmitting webpages will continue to drop over time. (The only cost that might rise is content disputes, like DMCA stuff.)

    Thus these two factors:

    1. Better targeting ads

    2. Continuous drop in storage and transmission costs

    Should make things like Geocities viable. True, #2 is long-term, but they could do #1 now.

  30. The future is so bright I need a radiation suit by gelfling · · Score: 2

    Walmat's real hot right now. They give you a uniform and everything.

    Oh sorry, you meant coding?

  31. Work on up-and-coming Big Free Software Projects by Micah · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...like GNU Enterprise.

    As people continue to see the light and increasingly prefer Free Software, and want to keep their data in a more open system, projects like this should skyrocket in use, and people that know them well should be more valuable.

  32. Who told you things are looking good? CNN? by ahfoo · · Score: 2, Offtopic

    The Economist has been going on for months in a row about the end of capitalism as we know it and has even run articles in which The Economist of London's staff reporters have said things like-- perhaps capitalism was never appropriate for many parts of the world.
    In case you hadn't heard, Taiwan's chip fabs have gone renegade and are pushing the ultimate limits of nanotechnology in a period of months rather than the twenty years drawn out schedule set by IBM. I'm talking about the 65nm fab being built in Singapore as we speak. See the last few months of EETimes if you want some scarry stories. Yeah, that was nanotech, it went by so fast you hardly even saw it, eh?
    While investment bankers are being charged with corruption, Wall Street is below where it was before the Gulf War and Israel is loading nuclear cruise missles onto a fleet of submarines in an effort to beat India and Pakistan to the headlines of being the second nation in history to use nuclear weapons for offensive purposes.
    Who is suggesting to you that things are suddenly going to rebound?
    Oh, did I mention that Taiwan students have stopped attending the TOEFL in vast droves and are now going to grad school in mainland China instead of the US? So much for that strategic partnership. And you can guess what this is going to look like a few years down the road when the chips market has been totally commoditized and relocated to mainland China and Taiwan has de-facto reunified by popular consent from within Taiwan. Americans are going to be like --when did everything suddenly change? Well guess what, it's changing by the minute and much of it is the seeds of bitter fruit that we Americans have ourselves planted with decades of irresponsible government that has allowed the sickness of monopoly to put our economy in grave danger.
    I suggest you look outside of anything that has to do with software or hardware for money. For entertainment though --hey don't touch that dial babe. PCs are the entertainment value of choice and value is what we're all going to need lots of.

    1. Re:Who told you things are looking good? CNN? by dubl-u · · Score: 2

      Dude that stuff makes me paranoid, too.

      Best not to mix economics and toking, though. Instead, try writing device drivers when the paranoia hits; that way you will trap potential errors six ways from Sunday.

    2. Re:Who told you things are looking good? CNN? by ahfoo · · Score: 2

      Well so much for annonymity.
      I am a partner in one of Taiwan's largest TOEFL cram schools. I produce the only remaining viable TOEFL computer practice test in Taiwan. Our competitors had larger budgets, but they also spent money too fast, when it began drying up last year they kept going full speed ahead and lately our only major competitor dried up and disappeared. I'm the sole survivor. Ha ha ha, but the battlefield is covered in salt. There's no spoils to be had. Game over. Insert coin.
      I've been sitting through interviews with all the competitors' teachers that have been laid off. We're not going to hire them because we don't have any students either, we just like to drill them for data.
      As far as where the kids have gone --well that's no secret. Look at the eductaion ministry's home page for more info on the lifting of restriction to Mainland. It's been about two years now since that went through. I would suggest that most government statistical reports from the US are at least a year out of date. And I would also suggest that US statistics on mainland China's education are little more than guesses.
      It's tough, but it's not all bad. I've always been a bit concerned with the emphasis on English although I used to profit from it, though never much by US standards. I've always felt that the Chinese language is beautiful and extremely poetic and I've spent many years studying it. So, perhaps a turn away from the West isn't so bad for people like myself who have solid Mandarin skills. In the end, my Mandarin skills may be more important than all my precious windows code. I'll believe in this awesome Chinese translation software when I see it.

    3. Re:Who told you things are looking good? CNN? by Beliskner · · Score: 2

      How do you know that China won't turn around and bite you like they did to Tibet (where they are constructing a railroad to cause ethnic cleansing by forcefully settling Hun chinese in Tibet genocide of 1.2 million people - World Trade Centre is insignificant nothing ) and in Xinjiang province where they are killing the Muslims. How do you know they won't do the same to you? Do you tell your students this before they leave to go to the mainland?

      --
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    4. Re:Who told you things are looking good? CNN? by ahfoo · · Score: 2

      Uhm.
      You're missing it here buddy. I've been bit by the Taiwan students that are going to China. I don't profit from that in any way shape or form. I lose. I've already been bit. The students don't want to talk to me because they're not studying English and that's what the E in TOEFL is for and that's what I sell. Game over. Insert coin. Go home yankee, we don't need your Eenglish because your PC chip game has eneded. See, I've already been bit. That is to say, I have been bitten already. It's the past tense, you see. There is no speculation on this, it's a done deal.
      I should point out though that I had an American wife at one point who also bit me --drew blood even. So, you can get bit wherever you go. But as the Rolling Stones once said. .. let it bleed. You get over it or you die. Either way nothing much changes.

    5. Re:Who told you things are looking good? CNN? by ahfoo · · Score: 2

      Alright, one more time but just because I'm bored with what's going on in the other window.
      See the deal here is that I no longer get to see the lovely children of Taiwan when they decide to go to China. I can't tell them anything because I don't see them anymore. I miss them so much and wish they would come back to me and buy my Eengleeesh learning CeeDees, but they don't like me no more and I am suspecting it's got something to do with the end of chip technology from the west.
      If there were students to see, I would tell them how great America is like I always have done in the past, but they don't come to see me about going to China. It's not my business anymore at that point. I don't have any role to play in their China plans.
      But anyhow, telling the extremely racis... I mean nationalist and traditional Chinese people of Taiwan that they should be against mainland China is a tricky thing to be doing as a foreigner who actually has to live here and try to make some business. Just getting by is quite the achievement.

  33. Government Work by XBL · · Score: 2

    or for gov't contractors. I am just out of school, and found a well-paying job with a bunch of old guys. There is going to be a lot of people retiring in this sector over the short term.

    Oh, and the job is interesting.

  34. LOL by hendridm · · Score: 2

    > and put yourself in a position where somebody will recognize you for it.

    Why the hell didn't I think of that?! 8 months of unemployment and the answer is that simple!

    Studying what you like doesn't work unless what you like is a current "hot trend". I think this industry requires chasing hot trends, unless you are lucky enough to get "job security" (I heard about such a thing once in a magazine article).

    1. Re:LOL by JordanH · · Score: 2
      • Why the hell didn't I think of that?! 8 months of unemployment and the answer is that simple!

        Studying what you like doesn't work unless what you like is a current "hot trend".

      This is simply not true. Being into something that's a "hot trend" will find you with a lot of others. If you don't like it, you won't stand out.

      There is always work for people who are good at what they do. An important ingredient in being good at what you do is enjoying what you do.

      It's just that simple.

      Now, if you can find something that's hot and that you know you really enjoy, then throw yourself into it. Seems like that's going about it backwards, though.

      If you still need direction on what to study, all jobs require good communications skills and good organizational skill. You could work on those areas, if you really want to focus on things that will help.

    2. Re:LOL by smagruder · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Studying what you like doesn't work unless what you like is a current "hot trend".


      Buzzzt! Guess again. Try counting up all the actual programming jobs using the "hot trends"; this number will be *far* lower than the "other" programming jobs out there (no... don't just look at Monster... I mean all potential programming jobs). There are many shops underserved with regards to the meat n' potatoes apps that a lot of "good" programmers snub their noses at, so these shops end up with money-grubbing consultants who swoop in and leave crap behind. Commit yourself to *high* quality and helping (yes, really HELPING) businesses thrive. Fix their existing systems and build quality new systems, and you'll go far. Sticking to the bleeding edge stuff (i.e., .NET) will drive you crazy and lead you off many "lemmings cliffs."

      --
      Steve Magruder, Metro Foodist
    3. Re:LOL by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      (* There are many shops underserved with regards to the meat n' potatoes apps that a lot of "good" programmers snub their noses at *)

      Care to name some? I might be in the (horrible, nasty, lowdown) market again in a few weeks. (Temp jobs are easier to find these days. Nobody want to invest in permies right now.)

      Besides, there is probably a *reason* they are being snubbed. For example, small companies often like to skip paychecks, making IOU's. Been there done that.

    4. Re:LOL by hendridm · · Score: 2

      > but wouldn't that mean you will have a greater chance of staying there for god knows how long?

      Oh, you must be one of those people who HAS a job. Thank you, drive through.

    5. Re:LOL by hendridm · · Score: 2

      > There is always work for people who are good at what they do.

      If this is a truth, I must be good at nothing. I am willing to improve my skills (I thought that's why I went to college, to get a head start), but it's tough to do with NO MONEY and no opportunity for ON THE JOB experience.

      You must be another one of those people with a job. Thanks for the advice, though.

    6. Re:LOL by Beliskner · · Score: 2
      There is always work for people who are good at what they do
      Nope, your resume has to show that you're good at it. Whether you're good or not doesn't matter, as long as you can "talk the talk and walk the walk".
      --
      A caveman dreams of being us, the incalculable power and riches. We dream of being Q, then what?
  35. Take the advice of Dogbert: by Jerf · · Score: 3, Funny

    Ratbert: "I'm going to interview successful people and write a book of their tips. I'll start with you, Dobert."

    Dogbert: "Set your alarm clock to go off every hour. Keep a big vat of 'Jell-O' by the bed. When the alarm clock goes of, stick your head in the 'Jell-O' and yell, 'Boy, I'm tired!'"

    Ratbert: "Thanks!"

    Dogbert (thinking): "Beware the advice of successful people; they do not seek company."

    Seven Years of Highly Defective People, p. 137.

    1. Re:Take the advice of Dogbert: by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      I don't remember where I saw it, but it went something like this:

      "Welcome, Roger. As our new Downsizing Expert, your first duty will be to fire yourself."

      This rang with me as I moved from one failing dot-com to another. (One such company did non-dot-com stuff, so I thot they would be more stable, but they canned the web staff anyhow when their whole biz was slow.)

  36. Security would be a hot thing... by antdude · · Score: 2

    I currently for a software security company, and I believe security is a hot future.

    --
    Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
  37. Re:.NET === XML by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    XML is simply a data transmission format. Comma delimited format did not generate front-page news when it came out, so why should XML?

    People trying to turn XML into databases and programming languages are missing the mark. XML does not do either of these particularly well. Databases are optimized to be databases, not optimized to fit a certain external format. That would be almost like optimizing a car engine to resemble a Peter Max drawing.

    Regarding .NET, MS made a confusing mess. The advantage of VB was that it had a shorter learning curve than Java and its API's. Now that MS cloned Java, they also cloned the complexity of Java, it seems.

    All it will do is create a *new* market for K.I.S.S. True, MS might suck up that market also, but they still have to start from scratch and risk all the problems related to being overbearing and mean.

    (Whether the Java approach is "better" in the long run to make up for the longer learning curve is another long, flameful debate. I personally think Sun's API's are rotting crap.)

  38. Do Some Open Source & Brag by justanyone · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Find a subject or area that interests you, and follow up on it by finding an open source project (see Sourceforge.net for good ideas).

    Basically, find a module on CPAN that is neglected, or look for some idea that hasn't been done elsewhere, work on it and post it to the web, and get your claim to fame!

    Another great idea is to help out with the CJAN (sourceforge has the project) and bone up on your Java skills, converting ideas from CPAN into Java and posting them on some kind of CJAN site. You'll

    • get Java experience,
    • help the community,
    • prove you can program well,
    • prove to a future employer that you know something, and
    • prove you're motivated to do good work you're not afraid for other programmers to use/read.

    Some other ideas:

    • Don't be afraid to brag on the resume,
    • practice answering the top 50 interview questions believably, with good and truthful answers,
    • post your resume on lots of job boards,
    • create a kickin' homepage,
    • find old documents like howto's that you've written that are generally usefull to everyone and post them on your page,
    • don't forget to wax your car! It's summer!
    -- Kevin
  39. The Problem with "Hot" Jobs by fidget42 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    is that they tend to cool off, and the hotter they are the faster (and farther) they cool. I would really recommend a more "tempid" area for work, as those jobs will be around for a while. Network administration may not be sexy, but I have yet to see a network that can manage itself.

    I personally work in embedded systems development. While the pay may not be at the top of the curve, you will not find a more challenging area nor will you find a brighter group of developers. The best thing is that your skills are kept sharp for when the industry heats up again (i.e., You can do what on a 486 with 128K of memory?).

    --
    The dogcow says "Moof!"
    1. Re:The Problem with "Hot" Jobs by Webmonger · · Score: 2

      128 k? Cry a lot?

  40. Copy protection by jdh28 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Copy protection seems to be a growth industry at the moment.

    john

  41. Re:Um... by archen · · Score: 2, Informative

    I think what he means is that since he can choose his path, that he should give something a try that he always wanted to do, but probably hasn't. It's easy to say when you have a job, but it would probably be a mistake to jump on a buzzword then end up doing something that sucks.

  42. One word, Benjamin... by DEBEDb · · Score: 2, Funny

    Plastics.

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    Considered harmful.
  43. Now you have the chance... by Alex+Belits · · Score: 2

    ...to finally learn C.

    Seriously.

    --
    Contrary to the popular belief, there indeed is no God.
  44. Re:Um... by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 2

    I'm unemployed also. When I do find a job, it's more often some 2 month contract, than anything even remotely perm or fulltime. But even so, I'm not whoring myself around, trying to learn the latest buzzwords and act like it's something that makes me employable. The reason I chose this as a career, was because I love everything about IT. Not because I heard there were fat paychecks to be found.

    So, in the meantime, I plan on continuing to learn the same things I've been teaching myself, and forget about whatever the latest crraze is with the pundits and industry rags.

    And yes, maybe if you don't like IT, this indirectly translates to you being unemployed. Lord knows if I were hiring someone, I would rather have someone that liked doing the job they were being interviewed for...

  45. slashdotted by Srin+Tuar · · Score: 2



    IsMyJobHotorNot.com


    The site seems to be slashdotted already. It's so bad the hostname is'nt even resolving.

    1. Re:slashdotted by donnacha · · Score: 2
      IsMyJobHotorNot.com

      The site seems to be slashdotted already. It's so bad the hostname is'nt even resolving.

      lol, what's the betting that some idiot actually goes and registers the name before this thread discussion gets much older?

      Gleaned from the world's most idealogically sound domain registrar:

      After checking, the domain name IsMyJobHotorNot.com is available.
    2. Re:slashdotted by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      (* IsMyJobHotorNot.com *)

      And if you score poorly, there is always layofflounge.com (a real website).

  46. Small business == slim margins by sterno · · Score: 2

    I worked in consulting for 4 years and we avoided the small business customers for a very important reason. The problem with a small company is that they go through the same hesitation and concern over spending thousands of dollars that a big company would do over millions of dollars. You end up having to work just as hard for a substantially smaller return.

    Now, that's as a consultant. Consulting implies a certain amount of custom work, which is what kills you in the smaller businesses. If you could develop some product that's useful to a lot of small businesses, then you might have some potential to make money at it. Think of something like quick books, a product that lots of small companies use, that's relatively cheap but is sold in large enough quantities to be profitable.

    So, what you need to do is identify a need in the market. The trick is not inventing the next big thing, it is simply finding an unaddressed need. You've probably stumbled accross a few of these in your past work; meeting people who are doing things a complex way because they have no idea there's a better way. Find those things and provide solutions to them.

    The thing that's different though in developing a product is that you, as the "leisured" programmer are taking on the risk of it. If you are billing somebody by the hour, if something goes wrong, you can still eat. If you make some product and nobody buys it, you are screwed. This means that, in addition to being able to develope software, you need to have the talent or be able to hire the talent necessary to sell your product to people.

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  47. Re:.NET === XML by selderrr · · Score: 2

    Well, I sure hope you're right as far as the .NET == XML equation goes. I'm not experienced with .NET to judge it.

    as far as the XML not good for databases or PLs, you're right too, but you're missing one more section : data exchange. XML is pretty good at that : you can dunk anything (dunkeable offcourse) into an XML and send it over. The reading side can undunk it and process. Tab delimited stinks at this. So XML is a big leap over tab if you look at it from that perspective.

    About the KISS principles, well, the pure existance of MS is the only axiom that keeps KISS alive. If MS hadn't been here, we would never have had a need for KISS. MS incorporates MICM (mae it complex, moronic) into ANYTHING they build.

  48. Stay above the Fray by mveloso · · Score: 2

    And move into management. As a manager one said, "Details don't matter."

    Learn how technology applies to businesses, then make that your business. In the world of business, people that understand technology and business issues are rare, valuable commodities. Managers who've got tech and business cred are more valuable that you'd ever understand.

    Think of it this way: would you rather be the guy that hand-coded the unified password repository, or the guy who's team of people defined and implemented company-wide technology standards, and created a stable computing base for the next 10 years?

    The answer, of course, is the first one!

    But still, it's a much different feeling to say "Wal-Mart kicked the cr*p out of everyone because of the logistics system we came up with is the sh*t." than it is to say "I single-handedly delivered a php-based dynamic website in 2 weeks."

    In short, ignore the technology, and concentrate on the business end. You'll be more useful, and you won't worry that your skills are eroding.

  49. Another biotech risk by swb · · Score: 2

    ...is not from corrupt, ImClone-style insider trading, but from the long-term outlook for patented, exclusive medical therapies.

    There's a large, general outrage at the overall cost of medical treatment and within specific socioeconomic groups HUGE outrage at the cost of perscription medicines. It's not felt (as much) by the middle class due to their generally good, employer-provided medical coverage.

    However, I predict a time in the next 20 years when the cost of medical treatment across the board (doctors, hospitals, medicines, and so on) will be so high that political pressure will be brought to bear to severely regulate the costs associated with medical treatments if not to begin socializing medicine.

    What's this got to do with biotech careers? Biotech right now is hot as a sector because of the promise of developing amazing new treatments that are proprietary, patentable and licensable for HUGE profits. However the money will dry up quickly if government begins to socialize medicine.

    1. Re:Another biotech risk by swb · · Score: 2

      I'm not advocating socialized medicine. Just pointing out that the perception of unchecked profiteering by the medical industry will eventually lead to a great socialization of medicine, which will in turn limit the appeal of investing huge amounts of capital when the ROI is either eliminated or stretched into 20 years instead of 5 or 10.

      I think most people agree that something needs to be done to reign in medical costs -- whether its on the demand side (people learn to live with limited treatments) or on the supply side (regulated margins, less profit).

      I'd personally advocate structural changes to the medical realm -- give RNs and Nurse Practitioners much broader ability to actually practice medicine, such as the ability to do in-office medical procedures like mole removal, stitches and the ability to write perscriptions for a broad array of drugs.

      There's room for all sides to move -- drug companies ARE guilty of gouging and anticompetitive behavior. Patients are guilty of cost-is-no-limit expectations for medical care. Doctors are guilty of holding the practice of medicine hostage to their professional and financial gain.

  50. Re:.NET === XML by smagruder · · Score: 2

    Well, XML and SOAP are the basis for the web services component of .NET, but .NET is also MS' too-late, feeble (bound to be low-quality before multiple service packs) attempt at creating an OO API for Windows that (supposedly) is easily accessible by any language (that is, any language compilable to their .NET IL; MS is foisting C#).

    --
    Steve Magruder, Metro Foodist
  51. Re:My recommendations by mickwd · · Score: 2

    HEY!

    If you're Larry Ellison, you're one big opening.....

  52. Computer Games by EpsCylonB · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The computer game industry is worht more than the film industry worldwide, it is predicted that it will grow year on year for the next five and there is a specific lack of people who have experience or specific training (cause none really exists).

    Downsides are that it is very competitive, only 10% of games released make money. It is very difficult to make headway in the industry unless you work for a publisher or a well established software house.

    1. Re:Computer Games by Tazzy531 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Also, I've heard it is a VERY difficult field to get into. You either have to know someone in the industry or proven yourself. I talked to one of the recruiters at EA Games and they actually scout the online community forums for people that have modded games and have been successful at doing so.

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  53. Mobile Robotics: The Next Revolution by Louis+Savain · · Score: 2
  54. Re:.NET === XML by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 2



    XML solves some problems that CDF doesn't, like validation and extensibility. I can add a new field to an XML file without it affecting the receiver, try that with CDF ant the receiver gets very confused.

    Then there are all the support facilities like SOAP and so on. They let me write a server like:

    public class Adder {

    public int sub(int a, int b) {
    return a+b;
    }

    }

    Drop that source code in a web service enabled application server and I can send a message to it uusing any SOAP cleint and get my sum back.

    Try that with CDF.

  55. Re: dressing for the interview by King_TJ · · Score: 2

    Yeah, honestly, the "appropriate" dress for an interview is always something I struggle with.

    The best advice I ever got (from a recruiter) is to try to take a look at how their own people dress, in advance - and copy their style.

    (If, for example, you see most of the employees dressing casually - with only management in a suit and tie, then you're probably fine just dressing up with a plain shirt and tie, and no suit. That is, unless you're applying for one of those management positions.)

    Much depends on the age of the people interviewing you, IMHO. I've been to places where the dress was quite casual - but the management was made up of older people who expected that all interviewees would show up in a suit and tie, and freshly polished dress shoes. Anything less told them you weren't the type who "goes the extra mile" to make a good impression, and that was a negative.

  56. I wouldn't believe that article - too much hype by hackman · · Score: 2

    I'm a mobile robotics person. That report sounds fishy to me. Sure the robotics people (Activmedia and MIT) are going to hype robotics as being the big thing in 5 years, they have a vested interest in that happening. I think they have been saying very similar things for at least 10 years, and as of yet there are very few mobile robotic household equipment. Sure, the solar lawnmower and indoor vaccum cleaner robots are around but I've never met anyone who was seriously interested in something like this. Sony has some of the new "entertainment" robots that are the closest thing, but they are still way expensive and not very useful.

    I mean really, listen to the tone of this quote:
    " In the next three to five years, intelligent networked mobile platforms and manipulators will permeate the fabric of our society just as computers do today."

    Be wary of anyone advertising to know the future, especially when they predict enormous growth in their own sector of buisness.

    That said, I do think there is a good future in mobile robotics in general, but if you're looking for "hot" jobs right now it's ridiculous to look for opportunities in that industry. I've yet to hear of a company aside from military robotics, Activmedia, or iRobot that needs genuine mobile robotics people. Sure there are AGVs (Automated Guided Vehicles) for factories and such, but that technology is so large that I don't think it stands a chance in the home market. (Maybe their software would be helpful though?).

    Well, my $.02.

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  57. This is not the first technology slump by Orangedog_on_crack · · Score: 2
    Technology and the jobs that it creates has always been subject to boom and bust times. Examples:

    Railroads....not really high tech by todays standards, but it was once "the next big thing." Once there were a lot of railroad companies, then the bottom fell out. A lot of them went away, and a lot of jobs with them. The strong companies survived and went on.

    Automobiles...there were once dozens of car companies in the US. Now there are but a handful, but those companies provide tens of thousands of jobs, many of them very high-skilled.

    Calculators...The calculator revolution in the 1970's popped up after Intel produced, almost accidentally, the first microprocessor. Initially it was just going to be a calculator-on-a-chip, but later they realized just what they had produced was more than just something that they hoped one manufacturer would use to make calculators. The calculator business grew very big, very fast, and crashed about as quickly.

    There is something, skill-wise, in each of those times that workers were able to adapt for later use. Just give it some time and you will notice the door opening for the next opportunity, even though they all appear to be closed for good right now.

  58. ERP and CRM seems to be a hot ticket too.... by King_TJ · · Score: 2

    I've been scanning the job postings on Monster.com and other sites, and one thing that comes up repeatedly is a need for JD Edwards or PeopleSoft administrators (with experience), or administrators for CRM (Customer Relations Management) packages.

    Personally, I think both of these types of software packages are just "fads" right now - but they cost so much for corporations to implement that they easily justify hiring an additional person to keep them running.

    If you're one of the few people lucky enough to have received some training (or hands-on experience designing forms or supporting) either ERP or CRM software, you're missing out right now if you don't leverage it to get a good-paying I.T. job for the next couple years. After that though, don't be surprised if this stuff fades away again.

  59. Ideas (good ones!) by smagruder · · Score: 3, Interesting

    1. Local and state law enforcement agencies out there need a really good, common, mobile and intercommunicating records management system. There's nothing on the market today that's close to being decent.
    2. Someone needs to solve the problem of "a different data collection/review/production system in every shop". This area needs standards (based on best practices) like a newly birthed baby needs oxygen. Yes, this solution will put many crap consultants out of business, but at least you'll get their money and can laugh all the way to the bank. Also helps the overall economy like a mofo.
    3. Somebody needs to write a really good P2P mechanism for collaboration on document/code review.

    My personal hope is that all the above will be developed as open source projects, but certainly, a good programming group with drive could make some very good money off these ideas as well.

    --
    Steve Magruder, Metro Foodist
    1. Re:Ideas (good ones!) by smagruder · · Score: 2

      Thanks for your remark. It illustrates the point that many programmers are seemingly too willing to only chase the "sexy" or buzz-y side of software development. Law enforcement very much needs basic records management to cover the meat n' potatoes of their operations. Sounds boring, yes, but only on the surface. Does anyone realize that law enforcement agencies, for the most part, have highly inadequate systems for tracking perp aliases? This is a major chunk of these records mgmt systems.

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      Steve Magruder, Metro Foodist
  60. Best job security by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

    My grandfather once told me:

    "Be an undertaker, kid. No matter how bad things get, you will always have customers."

  61. Re:SNIF by fferreres · · Score: 2

    Buzzzt! Guess again NOT. Most things sell "by the trend". A lot of people made money programing Java when it was hotest, a lot of contractors will make huge revenues from companies adopting .net.

    The other day i was in a meeting with some CEO of a programming firm with many clients. What they do i follow the TREND. He claimed that ".net will require a lot of $$$ from companies adopting it, and that (they) will be ready for it! Huge profits to be made".

    Believe me, you can make lots of money by just following the trend. Companies will adopt .net because their contractors or programming department will tell them they need it. And Microsoft will be leveraging their "hard earned" 40B plus their monopoly to make sure the argument wins.

    This is just an example. The trend make you eat extra food. On the other hard, you have someone like me, which tries to make sense out of this. End result: they make money and do not help producitivity. I don't make much money and do save money. Yet, they are the heros during the "revolution" and they only care about me when they want to "cut costs".

    It's really simple:

    STEP 1: adopt whatever crap is on the IT mindshare at the moment. Adopt it fast and act as you believe it's true
    STEP 2: PROFIT
    STEP 3: PROFIT

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  62. Re:.NET === XML by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    (* The reading side can undunk it and process. Tab delimited stinks at this. *)

    I agree that delimited formats needed a few more protocols to make them more robust, such as a header, but unless something is heavily nested, delimited works quite well.

    Do you have a specific problem with delimited formats that you can describe?

    I am not saying that it is superior to XML, but XML is only an incrimental improvement at best. Not something to bet the farm on. Besides, XML is warmed-over static LISP by some accounts, and LISP existed in the 50's.

    Fat ties will be back in style if you hold onto them long enuf.

  63. Fibre Channel industry by levendis · · Score: 2

    I'm suprised no one mentioned yet... but the Fibre Channel industry is one of the few segments of the computer industry that is actually growing these days. (see here). Storage in general will probably grow (or at least not significantly decline) for a long, long time. A quick search on Monster shows a lot of jobs out there.

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  64. Re:.NET === XML by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    (* I can add a new field to an XML file without it affecting the receiver, try that with CDF ant the receiver gets very confused.*)

    No, just add it onto the end. How is the receiver not being able to handle more stuff at the end different than an XML reader not being able to handle a new tag? That is a bad reader, not a bad format.

    I will agree that removing a field in XML is a little easier, but delimited format is already more compact, so you are still ahead size-wise if you leave an empty place-holder.

    (* Drop that source code in a web service enabled application server and I can send a message to it uusing any SOAP cleint and get my sum back. Try that with CDF. *)

    Send: 2, "+", 3

    Receive: 5

    Next!

  65. Re:I'm glad YOU don't have any trouble finding a j by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    (* But in general I think Net Admins, being somewhat the "Jack of all trades" of the industry, have a better chance of staying employed or regaining employment quickly than the "specialists." *)

    That is what all those Novell guys used to say.

    Anyhow, what I predict is *remote* admin of networks. A hardware person might visit every week or so, but the rest will be done in network sweat-shops in India or China.

    "If you can digitize it, we can outsource it!"

  66. Re:pump your buzz words into a job site by Tablizer · · Score: 2


    Hmmmm. Lets see.

    "XML Biometrics Security Web Services Downsizing Specialist"

  67. Digital Rights Management by Ilan+Volow · · Score: 2

    DRM is probably one of the hottest, most relevant areas of the tech industry right now.

    Scary, ain't it?

    --
    Ergonomica Auctorita Illico!
  68. Re:What's really heating up... by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    (* It is crystal clear that the western world is preparing for a war with anybody that will stand in the way of the new order. *)

    Um, what and where is the "old order"?

  69. Re:Opportunities... by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    (* I heard the unemployment office was looking for bright talented software engineers to answer phones all day... seems they needed someone who spoke the same language as the guy at the other end of the phone. *)

    ROFL. Mod this dude/dudette up! (at zero now)

  70. Re:.NET === XML by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 2

    How is the receiver not being able to handle more stuff at the end different than an XML reader not being able to handle a new tag?

    My first programming job included maintaining a perl script that processed a database table. The table had 97 data fields; the original programmer didn't know that he could extract the data into a hash, and reference the data using hash keys that matched the field names. The result was code that read something like:

    $price = $row[17]*[$row[72]* sqrt($row[12] )

    this meant a) the code was totally unreadable, and b) the only place you could add a field to the database was at the end. This is exactly the kind of programming structure that your CDF proposal leads to. If I were you I would worry that when I died and went to hell I might have to work on code like that.

    Send: 2, "+", 3

    Receive: 5


    Where is the data typing that tells the server that you didn't mean to call add(string,string) and get 23?

  71. A better question... by hendridm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Where can I get an IT job in the U.S.? Anyone? I have applied for EVERYTHING here in the Midwest (meaning ALL IT jobs I've come across and anything else in the newspaper, even bank tellers, secretary positions, retail stores (damn college degree), and I can't get anything).

    I'm quite aware the Midwest is years behind the rest of the planet in everything except antique automotive storage techniques, but I am willing to relocate. Where should I go?

    1. Re:A better question... by GriffX · · Score: 3, Informative

      DC area. The tech firms (and the wind-down of the last administration) burned off a LOT of people in all sectors. Housing is, if not cheap, getting plentiful again, and I'm seeing many more jobs advertised than I was even six months ago. When I got roundfiled by a tech company right after 9/11, it took me about 4 months to find a job. Now I'm doing exactly what I did there - web design and graphics - full time for a university here in town. There are jobs out there.

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      These comments and opinions are mine and mine alone, although they shouldn't be.
    2. Re:A better question... by Maskirovka · · Score: 3, Informative
      Where can I get an IT job in the U.S.?

      Juneau or Anchorage Alaska. The state gov is almost always hiring tech workers (esp programers), and there's loads of private sector work too. The cost of living is a bit high though. Just my two cents.

      Here are some links:
      http://classifieds.juneauempire.com/classi fieds-bi n/classifieds?portal=&temp_type=detail&property=JU NEAU+AK&classification=EMPLOYMENT&maxrec=30&date=t oday
      http://notes3.state.ak.us/WA/postapps.nsf/Jo bsByTi tle?OpenView

      Maskirovka

  72. Wrong question by evilpenguin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I see that others share my sentiment about this. The question is the wrong question. Learn and master the fundmentals. If you are into hardware, learn your electrical engineering. Master it. If it is software, learn the fundamentals of programming, systems design, algorithms, threading, etc. Learn a few fundamental languages (for the *nix world I'd say C, C++, Java, perl, shells, and then maybe some others that extend your world-view, such as lisp, scheme, and smalltalk). Learn how to express solutions for common problems in each of these languages.

    I see so many programmers coming up these days whom I describe as "tool-junkies." They are programmers who know how to solve problems with one library collection, one integrated compiler suite, and nothing else (and, yes, I am referring mainly to Visual Studio, but there is a Java "tool-junkie" culture too -- Java programmers who can't work outside of their only IDE).

    If you find yourself using a library without the slightest inkling of what must be happening in that library it should send warning flags up in your head. You should be able to write anything any other programmer could write. If you can't imagine how to even begin, you may be a tool-junkie. (Note that I am not saying you would have to write it as well as any other programmer -- obviously skills vary -- but you should have some idea how to tackle the problem, because you should have seen and solved something like it before. Genuinely new techniques are extremely rare. For the most part in programming you are making a symphony of familiar tropes, not breaking new ground.)

    Learn fundamentals, not buzzwords, and maybe you won't find yourself looking for another job involuntarily.

    1. Re:Wrong question by evilpenguin · · Score: 2

      Hrm. Trotting out a series of philosophers and their worthy quotes doesn't a cogent argument make. I'm not sure what your point is here.

      I think that all the dot-com bubble bursting proves is that the tech market always was like any other market. You know what? There is still huge demand for technical professionals with good fundamental skills. HTML/Javascript hackers, not so much. But people who can use software to engineer solutions to real business problems are still very much in demand. HTML and Javascript are actually still in demand, but those skills alone don't command 6-figure salaries any more. So what? They never should have. The invisible hand worked.

      The dot-com bubble was tens of thousands of companies all in essence producing the same product. I don't think it took a rocket scientist to see that wasn't going to continue. I know I heard many people saying so the whole time it was happenning.

      You know what, though? The "new economy" is still very much alive. The "hot" dot-com technologies are having their real effect in how "real" businesses organize themselves. Web technology's real economic impact is coming from enhancing the efficiency of business processes, just as all computer technology has from day one. It is all about more, faster, better, cheaper, and with less waste.

      As for the drying up of the job market, sure, in No. Cal. there are queues of goateed unemployed programmers in designer sunglasses, but in the rest of the industry (and believe it or not, most of the jobs are outside Silicon Valley) the big fall-off in hiring followed Sept. 11, not the inevitable dot-com bubble. The only way in which that tragedy affected me was the disapperence of that sock-puppet dog (I thought it was funny).

      Furthermore, I don't think some sort of "nationalistic" policy is the way to keep tech jobs. If they can be better done in India, they should be done in India. They might want to deal with that whole nuclear war thing first, however. Companies I work with have curtailed outsourcing plans to the subcontinent.

      You left out an important thinker in your analysis: You ignored Keynes. Marx and Engels were living through the worst period of industrialization. A period of disequilibrium between the power of the bourgeois and the proliteriat. In industrial democracies, the public will is still consulted through democratic institutions (and, yes, I believe corporate money is distorting that process, but it can only go so far before voters actually do vote). I think Keynes' writing is the prism through which to view the present situation.

      Moreover, "cost" is not the only component of "price." "Quality" enters in to it. The key to retaining a tech sector lead is to retain the educational and technological edge. As far as I can tell, we haven't lost that even yet, due, in no small part, to the infrastructure problems that exist in some of the other economies that seek to enter the tech economy.

      I'm not sure, however, that there is anything to fear in programming shifting overseas. Some will. Some should. I think it is worthwhile to read two of Edward Yourdon's books: "Decline & Fall of the American Programmer" and "Rise & Resurrection of the American Programmer" where he completely reverses the thesis of his first book. You will see that we've been here before and that the obvious conclusions are not necessarily the correct ones.

      I, as an American Programmer, do not fear for my future emplyment or employability. I also welcome the participation of the rest of the world in the market of software ideas.

  73. +5 Insightful? Idiots! by Enigma2175 · · Score: 2

    You moderators are idiots. This is a news story printed in Business Week Magazine last december. Didn't it read more like a press piece than a /. comment? User 956 is not an insightful poster, he is a blatant plagarist. 4 moderators were either stupid or naive enough to believe that he was insightful when he posted this comment. Please, think before you moderate. I know I will get modded down for this* but I just had to say something.

    *Standard 'I know I'll get modded down' to ensure that I get modded up

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    Enigma

  74. Work on more than your technical skills by flockofseagulls · · Score: 2, Informative

    The jobs are there but you have to work at finding them and getting one. Standing out solely on technical qualifications can be tough if you don't have 10 or more years real experience, so be the candidate they remember. Be polite, easy to talk to, interested, curious, eager.

    I can't emphasize writing and speaking and good manners enough. If you come across as illiterate, uncomfortable, or socially handicapped (as so many geeks do), you are handicapped in the job market. The last time I interviewed candidates for a mid-level programmer job we had candidates show up unwashed, in skateboarder clothes; we had candidates who seemed uneasy around other humans; we had candidates who mumbled "I guess" and "I mean" and "You know what I'm saying" every few words, as if they had speech lessons from Eminem; we had candidates launch into scary (and irrelevant) anti-Microsoft or anti-Linux tirades that made us hope they weren't armed; we had candidates who obviously devoted too much time to body piercing and not enough to reading our job description.

    Learn to write. Read outside your discipline. Practice speaking, composing your thoughts, talking to a group. Practice problem-solving skills. Practice debugging--SourceForge is overflowing with opportunities for working on real code. Don't wait to learn on-the-job: spend some time every day learning something new. Use Borders as a library with coffee.

    Learn something about the businesses and industries that might hire you. Learn a little about accounting, inventory, logistics, sales, marketing, manufacturing, publishing, etc., so at least you know what the jargon means and what questions make sense.

    Learn databases and SQL. Learn them really well. It takes a while but you have to start sometime. Most companies have databases old enough to have seen many industry trends come and go.

    When job hunting you'll be competing with people who have the same stuff on their resume as you do, more or less. Stand out by presenting yourself well. Show some ability to string two thoughts together. Show enthusiasm about solving problems, debugging skanky old code, working as part of a team.

    Job hunting is not like taking tests in school where the best student ranks at the top of their class. Employers usually make up their mind about you in the first few minutes (or first few seconds if you smell bad, dress like a slacker, or display poor manners). Take 20 Java programmers with equivalent experience and certifications and the one who makes the interviewers believe he will fit in will get the job.

    Join a user's group, go to trade shows, network. Ask people you know who have jobs what kind of people their company needs. Get names of skilled recruiters and work with them--they aren't all dishonest scumbags. If you have time do volunteer work--you can meet people who can point you at full-time jobs.

    The short-term bubble that burst and put so many techies on the street persuaded too many of them that growing unusual facial hair and learning Flash would set them up for a lifetime, or at least get them in a Volkswagen commercial. Sorry to break it to you, but employers have sobered up now.

    Good luck.

  75. Re:.NET === XML by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    (* The result was code that read something like:
    $price = $row[17]*[$row[72]* sqrt($row[12] ) *)

    First of all, don't process it directly from the storage format. Make a translation table so that you *don't* have numbers in the code. You may have to do similar translations between XML field names and your own names anyhow, since the chances of them matching up 100 percent is probably nil unless you are starting from scratch.

    (* Where is the data typing that tells the server that you didn't mean to call add(string,string) and get 23? *)

    Put those rules in the table also. If you don't have a table-friendly language/environment, then I pitty you.

  76. Re:I'm glad YOU don't have any trouble finding a j by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    (* never happen kid. people like people to be there for their problems and not recorded messages or unanswered emails, no matter the outcome. *)

    Tell that to all the programmers *currently* losing jobs to India and China "outsourcers".

    I am not saying that *all* will go, but even if 40 percent go, there would be a *glut* that may last a while.

  77. Re:Bio-informatics by the+gnat · · Score: 2

    Speaking as a bioinformaticist (non-PhD, but with significant academic experience), protein folding simulations are extraordinarily overhyped. The potential for computers in structural biology is immense- every protein structure published has been refined by computer simulation. The theory involved is quite sound and the results are considered excellent. However, this still requires a great deal of experimental work. Folding via computer is still in the realm of pure theory, and while some people can come up with reasonable guesses at very low resolutions for small proteins (which is already quite difficult), this is next to useless for drug design. You need to have a high-res structure (about 3 angstroms, less is better), and computers just can't do that.

    It's not a matter of power so much as theory. A lot of people don't seem to understand this, which is why you can get lots of money to solve the folding problem. So sure, it's probably a good field to be in financially speaking. Scientifically speaking, it's comparable to AI in CS research- lots of big talk, few results. You'd be better off working on improving existing tools to help structural biologists, if you want to do something useful. You don't get to play with giant parallel machines, though.

  78. Re:.NET === XML by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 2
    Fat ties will be back in style if you hold onto them long enuf.

    Yes! Vindicated!

  79. Re:.NET === XML by selderrr · · Score: 2

    okay, I admit that I peed a pit too much on tab delims. For 95% of all jobs they'll do everything XML does, and faster.

    But I do have some quite nasty nested stuff, with non-static iterations (ie : inside transmission repeaters the iterations can grow or shrink) and with pointer links to other nested structures.

    you'll adimit that that is no beaf for tab delimited crunchers, right ?

    but indeed, "Not something to bet the farm on"

  80. Re:.NET === XML by Beliskner · · Score: 2
    $price = $row[17]*[$row[72]* sqrt($row[12] )
    Now this is a good example of eXtreme Programming.
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    A caveman dreams of being us, the incalculable power and riches. We dream of being Q, then what?
  81. Relative Demand of C++ and Java by goingware · · Score: 2
    Well I don't have an answer to your question, but I can relate some relevant information.

    Someone posted on the accu-general@accu.org list a few weeks ago (the Association of C and C++ Users) that he'd been studying the demand for various job skills at employment websites in the U.K.

    Suprisingly he found that the demand for C++ programmers was dramatically higher than that for Java programmers, and further that the pay scales offerred for Java programmers were very low.

    This is in sharp contrast to the situation at the height of Tulipomania. Sometime in 2000 someone lamented on a post to a C++ newsgroup or list or something that it appeared that the hourly rates available to Java consultants was twice as much as those available to C++ consultants - as much as $250/hour. This despite the fact that C++ is a much more difficult language to master.

    I think one thing this indicates is that the market for web server programming has fallen off the edge of the earth. But I'm not sure what all those C++ programmers are being hired for.

    News of this study came as a relief to me because I've been doing mostly C++ the last few years, and although I know Java I haven't really put much effort into it. At some points I wondered if I had made a big mistake. But I've gotten very good at programming in C++, and enjoy it a great deal now, and in fact I'm finding demand for my consulting work is starting to pick up noticably.

    I don't know how the U.K. results could apply to other countries, but you could check it for the U.S. by searching for various job skills at DICE and counting the number of hits you get for each.

    You could do this more systematically by having a robot browse each of the job descriptions on DICE and scraping keywords and payrates out of each of them.

    I can't post a link to the ACCU archive because the archives are only available to ACCU members and I'm afraid I let my membership lapse. :-/

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    -- Could you use my software consulting serv
  82. Re:.NET === XML by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    (* But I do have some quite nasty nested stuff, with non-static iterations (ie : inside transmission repeaters the iterations can grow or shrink) and with pointer links to other nested structures....you'll adimit that that is no beaf for tab delimited crunchers, right ? *)

    Use relational ID's or references. Every row should have a unique ID or key of some sort. You can simply reference instead of physically nest. Sounds like it is not even a tree anyhow, so you have no choice, except maybe to duplicate nodes to *force* it into a tree. Trees are an over-used structure anyhow. They don't scale when requirements turn them into graphs instead of trees. Unless you deal with a domain that naturally has trees in it, such "degeneration" is fairly likely over time because there is no tree-cop on duty in the real world.

  83. Re:.NET === XML by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    (* Now this is a good example of eXtreme Programming. *)

    He he.

    IMO, XP is a result of object oriented technology not living up to its promise of scalling and simplicity. OO has only created armies of overpaid consultants with 50 different OO methodologies that either don't work, or simply map the world into the author's mind (but nobody else's).

    (I will probably get tagged a "troll" for this. Oh well, I have a few points to blow this week.)

    oop.ismad.com

  84. Age Biggots! (Re:Government Work) by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    (* I am just out of school, and found a well-paying job with a bunch of old guys. There is going to be a lot of people retiring in this sector over the short term. *)

    What you don't realize is that the government discriminates against experienced people. You got the job probably because you have no experience. I am surprised there has not been huge lawsuits against age descrimination in gov orgs.

    It happens because the unions protect people from competition (experience). Thus, it tends to hire graduates and interns and fill vacancies by moving up the existing employees.

    Now, contracting for gov might be a different story. That is probably a better bet if you have experience.

    Further, they are slow to process most positions. I am still getting rejection notices for positions I applied to almost a year ago. If you apply now, the economy may be shining again by the time something happens.

  85. Re:You really don't get it by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    (* Clueful employers ask about solving problems, and quite frequently a binary tree or a linked list or another basic data structure - which many people still can't grasp - are fundamental in the solution. *)

    I learned all that crap, but was happily able to toss it in the garbage when I started using table-friendly languages/API's. Roll-your-own data structures just don't scale in complexity and size and persistence. The only use for them is perhaps embedded systems that cannot afford the cost of a real database or table engine. (However, dBASE's III's table engine used to fit in about 64k, BTW. So size is not really an technical issue.)

    Unfortunately, OO hype has turned the tide back to roll-your-own databases and hand-indexing, so knowledge of linked list and array crap is now needed again.

    But, I figure the IT world will wake up from its OO sleep one of these days and we can then forget about hand-building lame data structures from scratch again. GOF should be renamed, "How to hand-build indexes because we don't understand tables".

    Keep On Tablin'
    oop.ismad.com
    Reply, don't moderate me down, wimp!

  86. Re:.NET === XML by Beliskner · · Score: 2
    And the moral of this story is:

    Only use new stuff when it makes whatever easier/better/cheaper.

    Before McDonalds - get food out of overcrowded fridge, secure children so they aren't harmed while cooking, prepare food, wash utensils, cook food, spend 1 hour cleaning up baked-on egg.
    After McDonalds - drive up to window, give money, get food.

    Before OOP - procedural FORTRAN-style stuff, VCs lose interest, refuse to give money to further software development.
    After OOP - software companies get so much money from buzzword-mania that a bubble is created, they can outsource to third world countries and creating gigantic power stations and infrastructure (no other private businesses have paid for an entire national infrastructure, too high risk).

    Well, After OOP might be a little exaggerated, but you can see that I'm getting at the fact that the big buzzword sell is important, unless you want to be a free software programmer on welfare. Even if OOP is just a buzzword-generating algorithm, it brought in the money Micro$oft-style so I'm not gonna complain. If my Manager tells me that OOP is the best thing in the world, I'll say, "Yeah great" then take a paycheck from him and call him "Sucker"

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    A caveman dreams of being us, the incalculable power and riches. We dream of being Q, then what?
  87. Re:Hmm... by Enigma2175 · · Score: 2

    Yes, it did occur to me, but generally if an author is re-publishing his work he will give credit to the original publication. I would also suspect that the article in question is owned by Business Week, being a work for hire. Also, I reasoned that if you did write the article you are pretty sharp and would be able to write an original post that supported your thesis, rather than copying old work verbatim. These reasons plus your recently registered /. account led me to conclude that you did not write the article. Now my question: Did you write the article for Business Week? In your reply you didn't say you wrote it, you just asked me if the thought occured to me. I still maintain you are not the original author, and are therefore a plagarist. If I'm mistaken I apologize but I don't believe I'm mistaken.

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    Enigma

  88. Re:You really don't get it by Beliskner · · Score: 2
    You are correct. Unfortunately oversupply is a problem. It means you can screen applicants based on who eats Hershey and still you'll have far too many. To use an amorphism, shields are up dude, you need the exact key to get through the shield.

    Every company knows they can train you, but having 1,000 resumes of trainable people and then 10 people who actually have used .NET for 3 years, well who would you choose?

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    A caveman dreams of being us, the incalculable power and riches. We dream of being Q, then what?
  89. I have applied for EVERYTHING here in the Midwest by Raedwald · · Score: 2

    hendridn says:

    I have applied for EVERYTHING here in the Midwest (meaning ALL IT jobs I've come across and anything else in the newspaper, even bank tellers, secretary positions, retail stores (damn college degree), and I can't get anything)

    Applying to all those jobs would sure take a long time. I guess you didn't spend much time on each application. Did you just send in the same copy of your CV (Resume in USAian, I believe) to them all? A generic CV radiates laziness, even comtempt. The employer is looking for someone who can fill a particular role, which means a particular set of skills, some of which the employer will consider more important than others. If you send a generic CV, the employer will have to wade through distracting and irrelevant material to learn the information they want.

    • This will annoy them.
    • They might give up before they find the information that shows you are suitable for the job.
    • They will believe that you have not bothered to do any research about the employer, what they do and what they want. They might conclude that you are probably lazy and/or not really very interested in this job, and therefore will not be motivated to do it well.

    You don't want the employer to believe any of those things.

    Your CV should show how you are suitable for that particular job. That means each job application could require a separate, taylor made, CV. Also, it is better to apply for a smaller number of jobs, placing more effort in each application, than to use a 'shotgun' approach.

    I recommend an excellent book called What Color is Your Parachute?

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    Ne mæg werig mod wyrde wiðstondan, ne se hreo hyge helpe gefremman.
  90. Seriously... by oobeleck · · Score: 2
    I live in Colorado and with 9/11 and all, the defense contractors are hiring like mad.
    The only problem is getting through their HR. (Horribly inept according to Engineers on the inside.)
    With a Republican strong hold you can expect defense contracts to be strong for the next couple of years at least.

    Just my .02