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Laser Beam Teleported

Michael Wardle writes "ABC Australia reports that a team of scientists from the Australian National University have successfully teleported a laser beam. It seems that teleportation of solid bodies is still a way off, but at least we're a little closer to Slashdot's favorite super power." Another Australian newspaper has a more detailed story.

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  1. that was a single photon by rebelcool · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is a message bearing laser beam composed of billions of photons.

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  2. Teleportation, or recreating? by Wire+Tap · · Score: 4, Informative

    It seems to me, that there is a huge difference:


    Team leader Dr Ping Koy Lam says it involved creating a laser beam, its disembodiment and the recreation of the original beam in a different location.


    To me, that sentence can be translated as such:

    Team leader Ping Koy Lam says it involved creating a ball point pen, its destruction and the recreation of the same ball point pen using a factory blueprint in a different location.

    This isn't the first time I've read about "teleportation" of some particle or another, when it seems that they are simply re-creating, mirroring if you will, the particle(s) quantum states in another place. That's not teleporting - that's mimicing.

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    1. Re:Teleportation, or recreating? by dirtyhippie · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well.... Normally I'd agree with you. Things are what you perceive them to be. However, when people think of teleportation, they inevitably start thinking about "Beam Me Up Scotty" type stuff. Would I be willing to drink a beer that was teleported to me? Hell yeah. Would I be willing to teleport myself to that beer and drink it there? Hell no. Would you?

    2. Re:Teleportation, or recreating? by Erasmus+Darwin · · Score: 3, Interesting
      "What's the difference though, if the second is exactly the same?"

      Because when we're talking about a beam of light, the notion of analyzing it, transmitting the information, and reproducing the original seems more like television than teleportation.

      Like most of the non-hoax science stories on Slashdot that relate to fantastic-sounding possibilities (teleportation, time travel, etc.), this is most likely a breakthrough of some sort but not nearly as cool as the summary makes it sound.

      Getting to the subject of destroying an object and creating an exact duplicate, it's a hazy issue. I understand how I'd theoretically be the same person if you were to reproduce me at the most detailed level, but I'm still nervous about potential problems with it.

      For example, should the destruction of the original me fail, there are suddenly two of me in the Universe, each with a full claim to being me and each slightly different (based on the brief experiences that occur after the duplication). One interesting exploration of this scenario was featured in James Patrick Kelly's story, "Think Like a Dinosaur".

    3. Re:Teleportation, or recreating? by brunes69 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well, if the person created was the exact same down to the quantum level, it would be you, exactly. Your last memory would be a strange tingling as your body was torn apart at the quantum level to be stored, then once you were recreated your memories would begin again. Now this raises all sorts of philosophical questions, like what happened to your soul when you were torn apart, but really, I dont believe in any of that mumbo-jumbo :P If it was proven to be safe i'd use it, sure.

    4. Re:Teleportation, or recreating? by brunes69 · · Score: 2

      Yes, but if youd read up on this a bit more, you'd know that the only way known to do this kind of teleportation, the only way known to determine the states of each particle ata given instant, is to destroy the object being teleported. It simple is NOT possible for the read item to not be destroyed. Therefore, if something went wrong during the process, you'd be dead. There is no chance of there being two of you walking around though.

    5. Re:Teleportation, or recreating? by abreauj · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Well, if the person created was the exact same down to the quantum level, it would be you, exactly. Your last memory would be a strange tingling as your body was torn apart at the quantum level to be stored, then once you were recreated your memories would begin again.

      From someone else's point of view, the other guy may as well be me, However, from my point of view, I've been murdered, my body vaporized, and some other guy is now walking around with my memories.

    6. Re:Teleportation, or recreating? by dirtyhippie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The trouble is you can NEVER prove this to be safe. To another person, yes, of course you will appear exactly the same and have the exact same memories, etc. as you describe. And of course this new person will think "hey, whattaya know, the dagnab thing works, I'm over here now!" Because s/he has all the memories, etc. that the "original version" of him/herself had.

      However, the question is where exactly does consciousness live? Does it A) live in the actual, physical atoms that make you up? Is it B) some manifestation of the way your neurons are wired together (as some AI researchers who claim computers have life might contend)? Or is it C) something else, totally unrelated to the physical world (ie on the astral plane, like the Spirit referred to in Christianity and other religions)?

      If it's A) there's an exact copy of you somewhere else, but "you" no longer exist. If it's C), well, you're banking that God doesn't mind taking the time and effort to transport your soul over to the "new you". Only if it's B) can you rest assured that your consciousness will be transferred to the new unit, trouble free.

      I, for one, wouldn't take chances on something philosophers have been debating to no end for hundreds of years now...

    7. Re:Teleportation, or recreating? by CaptainSuperBoy · · Score: 2

      Kurzweil talks about all of this in The Age of Spiritual Machines. Highly recommended if you're interested in the whole teleportation / transporting your consciousness thing.

      BTW, the Slashdot blackout was like two months ago.. isn't it time to take it out of your sig?

    8. Re:Teleportation, or recreating? by susano_otter · · Score: 2
      However, from my point of view,

      Which "point of view" would that be? The only point of view available to you is that of the guy walking around with your memories... who, by definition, is you.

      Assuming the Perfect Quantum Replication thing is even possible, of course. Although, come to think of it, we should probably pass legislation now to censor the Internet using PQR, on the assumption we'll someday have the technology to enforce such a law.

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    9. Re:Teleportation, or recreating? by martyn+s · · Score: 2

      Thing is, I'd tend to agree with you about that mumbo-jumbo about a soul, except there is one huge problem. What if to teleport you, they had to store all the data about each and every one of your molecules in a buffer. And on the other end they would reconstruct your matter based on that data. But what if recreating one of you, they would recreate two of you....Now again, I said, I agree with you; I believe that my thoughts and my being is just a consequence of the matter configuration in my body. But my self-preservation instinct doesn't like that idea, and I bet neither does yours.

    10. Re:Teleportation, or recreating? by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 2

      I'm not sure I understand the difference between A) and B). In the case of C), wouldn't that become clear after the first experiment?

      I'd probably do it after it had been tested for a long period of time. The way I see it, who I am is either made up of matter which we already know about (photons, quarks, etc), or there is an as yet observed factor, call it a soul, which makes up who we are. In either case I think it will become clear by making a test case. Whether or not it should be allowed to make such a test on a human being is something I'll leave as a whole separate argument, which I fortunately don't have to make an opinion about (since it isn't yet possible).

    11. Re:Teleportation, or recreating? by karlm · · Score: 2

      So you need to do a destructive read. That doesn't mean that a software bug won't cause multiple reproductions of that read state.

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    12. Re:Teleportation, or recreating? by kubrick · · Score: 4, Funny

      And on the other end they would reconstruct your matter based on that data. But what if recreating one of you, they would recreate two of you.... But my self-preservation instinct doesn't like that idea, and I bet neither does yours.

      What could possibly be more self-preserving than being able to keep backups? :)

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    13. Re:Teleportation, or recreating? by martyn+s · · Score: 2

      Well it just exposes the whole idea of consciousness and identity as flawed.

      Listen, the fact is, I probably *would* go through the teleporter. But it would take a lot of thinking. I'm just explaining where the unease comes from.

    14. Re:Teleportation, or recreating? by mindstrm · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Right.. except the original beam no longer exists.. it's state has been frozen in something, and re-emitted later.

      As for the difference... no science we have yet teleports actual particles.

      It does bring up an interesting dilemma though...

      if we COULD make a precise, quantum copy of a person, which one would be the 'real' person? Both would percieve they are real, both would be for ALL purposes, identical. If one were destroyed immediately after quantum duplication, there would be no way to find out which is the original.

      So if someone duplicates you.. which one is really you? what happens to your sense of continuity?

    15. Re:Teleportation, or recreating? by MulluskO · · Score: 2

      It's the tearing apart that I don't like.
      Is the body to be transferred destroyed at the exact same time as the new body is created? Does it matter? More importantly, what becomes of the remains? Are they to be delivered to the new body in an urn? Or would that just be too weird?

      Oh, and additionally: You Skinnarian Baboon, you.

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    16. Re:Teleportation, or recreating? by kubrick · · Score: 2

      Well it just exposes the whole idea of consciousness and identity as flawed.

      All our ideas of consciousness and identity are just that -- ideas. If they are proven to be false by experimental evidence, then we have some pretty major re-adjustment to do... but that's no reason to ignore the reality of the evidence (if that's the way it works out).

      (Actually, "just" is probably inappropriate up there, as these ideas underlay everything in our lives... but you know what I mean :)

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    17. Re:Teleportation, or recreating? by qorkfiend · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As for the difference... no science we have yet teleports actual particles.

      according to quantum physics, particles are waves and vice versa.

    18. Re:Teleportation, or recreating? by canadian_right · · Score: 2
      If the encoced body is tramsmited at the speed of light, well then of course it depends on far you are being sent.

      On the other hand, if you entangle the raw materials, send half the entangled atoms to the destination, then scan and 'teleport' via 'spooky action at a distance' then it would be instaneous. Doing this with atoms, as opposed to photons, is a long ways off.

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    19. Re:Teleportation, or recreating? by awptic · · Score: 2

      This reminds me of a story in the book "The Mind's I" which discussed a hypothetical situation
      where you put the 'contents' of a person's brain (in the given example, einsteins) into a book
      and manually process each nerve impulse, and if the person who's brain was stored in this book
      would experience consciousness (albeit on a much slower scale). There's loads of stories
      which raise many philosophical questions, from AI to Cloning ... you'll never think the same again :)
      (it was written by the same author as 'Godel, Escher, Bach: An eternal golden braid, or just GED)

    20. Re:Teleportation, or recreating? by Artifex · · Score: 2

      No, this person would be like you, but wouldn't be you.

      Think about it: using the technology, you could make multiple instances of yourself; perhaps even delay their creation through time, if you had enough storage space you could set aside to hold the pattern. Any and all copies would think themselves to be you, assuming that memories properly transfer. However, you would cease to exist if you were destroyed in the creation of any copy or copies.

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    21. Re:Teleportation, or recreating? by martyn+s · · Score: 2

      You're kind of missing the point. Those things aren't subject to "evidence". If you leave everything to "logic" then we have no reason to continue living. Certain things aren't subject to logic, like our desires and instincts, because those are the assumptions upon which our logic is built.

    22. Re:Teleportation, or recreating? by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The answer to this dilemna is to realize that the person we were 10 minutes ago is dead. The person you were 10 years ago is very very dead. Each second that passes, what we were passes out of existence, and the the self that seems to be the unitary point of existence is just a collection of modalities and a small amount of working-memory. It sounds Buddhist, but it's more informed by neuroscience: there is no self as such.

    23. Re:Teleportation, or recreating? by tq_at_sju · · Score: 2, Informative

      Is it really teleportation? Obviously it depends on what you believe a duplicate of an object is, if you think a duplicate is purely physical then yeah they are transporting one object to another place, notably a laser beam. However, as the objects get bigger and more complex the question lingers, is this really duplication when it comes to animals, humans ? After you get to this point the question gets very philosphical and hinges on consciousness, can consciousness of a human being be duplicated. There are many arguments that say NO, consciousness cannot be duplicated especially if you are using just blue prints on the person's physical nature. I.E. if you believe that there is something not physical to us then we couldn't be teleported in this purely physical fashion. one such argument is Jackson's Mary argument "Imagine Mary, a person who knows all there is to know about the physical processes that give rise to color vision. She knows how the neurons interact and what happens with the brain and eyes. But, Mary has spent her entire life in a black-and-white room and therefore has never experienced color vision. So there is something missing from Mary's knowledge of color vision, conscious experience." This thought experiment criticizes materialism because if materialism was correct, then Mary would know everything about color vision (including conscious experience) because she knows everything about the physical processes. But she does not know about conscious experience so materialism must be wrong. Jackson's argument is as follows: 1. If materialism were correct, then knowledge about the physical would lead to knowledge of conscious experience. 2. Mary has knowledge of all the physical processes associated with color. 3. Mary does not have knowledge of conscious experience. 4. Materialism is wrong.

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    24. Re:Teleportation, or recreating? by zangdesign · · Score: 2

      If any of you ever check out old sci-fi, read some of Eric Vinicoff's writings for Analog magazine. Specifically, I am thinking of "When the High Lord Arrives" (Analog, Apr. 85). I don't remember the plot, but the technology described in the story was very similar what these guys are doing.

      A person would have his/her consciousness measured on a quantum level. The information was then transmitted a great distance and reimplanted into a body that was being speed-cloned specifically for him/her.

      This wasn't the only story. There were at least two others that covered some of the social ramifications of dissassemby and re-assembly of one's consciousness.

      FYI.

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    25. Re:Teleportation, or recreating? by kubrick · · Score: 2

      That's a matter of perspective.

      If consciousness and identity can't be tested by scientific exploration like any other knowledge, then they have no place in science at all, and philosophers in general may as well give up and go home. (And, indeed, most of them would be better served by doing so -- it's a profession with a lot of hot air and little actual science.) Still, that shouldn't stop people at least making the effort.

      To go back to my original point, if an exact copy of me behaves exactly as I would in all circumstances, who are you (or I?) to say that it is not me -- especially if the original was destroyed in the process? It's a functionalist viewpoint, but then I tend to take the view that consciousness is as consciousness does. If some entity claims to be conscious, and exhibits behaviour consonant with that claim, why should I not believe it?

      (Dragging in the whole 'other minds' problem here I guess...)

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    26. Re:Teleportation, or recreating? by TheOnlyCoolTim · · Score: 2

      Let's say you were in a coma for a while and then you woke up.

      How do you know that there has been continuity of your self and there's not just some new personality inhabiting your head that retains all your memories and whatnot..

      If in the future you transfer your mind into a computer, do you continue or do you just create a computer that thinks it is you?

      Tim

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    27. Re:Teleportation, or recreating? by martyn+s · · Score: 2

      I'm willing to agree with your viewpoint about functionality, until it's *MY* consciousness at stake.

      Considering this has only been tested as a thought experiment, it's most likely that once actually tried out, something which makes us question our consciousness, the functionality perspective will surely win out.

      But the questions still remain. Just because certain questions cannot be answered by science does not make their investigation somehow bogus. The thing is I'm usually taking your viewpoint, and people are usually arguing with me with the kind of stuff I'm saying now (albeit, they are more extreme).

      I've always said that consciousness is like a hall of mirrors. By it's very nature we cannot see or understand it, because we are using it as the tool to examine itself. It's like a blind spot in the whole rational process of our minds.

      As much as I know that the only possible answer is that we are mere machines, very intelligent machines, but mere machines; as much as I know that on some level, I can never fully accept that, and I don't think you can either. I always use that same argument that you do, and, logically, it's airtight, but by using that argument we are only winning by ignoring the part that cannot be put into words.

    28. Re:Teleportation, or recreating? by martyn+s · · Score: 2

      You seem to keep saying that anything that isn't science isn't worth looking at. Well, you should know, that science without philosophy is nearly as bad, or perhaps worse than philosophy without science. Mere observation cannot answer any questions; it is both making observations (science) and working on a logical model (philosophy) that leads to understanding. Agreed, what I'm doing now is the philosophy without the science, but "doing" philosophy on it's own can often push us in the right direction in science (that's what wolfram is trying to do).

      So I agree, philosophy on it's own is about as worthless as basic observations, basic data, on it's own. But that doesn't make it worthless.

    29. Re:Teleportation, or recreating? by karmawarrior · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So what happens if the original is not destroyed?

      There strikes me as being two processes involved here, duplication and destruction. The argument seems to be that the two together has the same affect as moving a person to another location, and that if both are done the second entity is the same as the first.

      That doesn't make sense, because nobody in their right mind would suggest the second entity is the same as the first if both exist at once. Destroying the first cannot possibly change that, that's an attempt to remove the evidence, not an attempt to move the position of sentience.

      Soul or no soul.

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    30. Re:Teleportation, or recreating? by brunes69 · · Score: 2

      People keep saying that to me. So many in fact, I am going to leave it in my sig forever :)

    31. Re:Teleportation, or recreating? by plumby · · Score: 2

      What you seem to be forgetting is that every moment that you live, various parts of your body die and other bits are created. You are not 100% the same person you were a second ago, but do you feel that you are a different person?. There's new particles making up parts of your body. All this does is accelerate the process and do them all in one go.

    32. Re:Teleportation, or recreating? by fredrik70 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So if someone duplicates you.. which one is really you? what happens to your sense of continuity? You would both 2 different persons albeit with (very much) the same background. As time goes by different things will happen to the 2 different copies shaping theit minds and opinions differently from each other... Think of it as twins, sort of.

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    33. Re:Teleportation, or recreating? by kubrick · · Score: 2

      You seem to keep saying that anything that isn't science isn't worth looking at. Well, you should know, that science without philosophy is nearly as bad, or perhaps worse than philosophy without science.

      I think I'm pushing the science agenda here because I found a lot of (historical) philosophy not to be overly scientific -- but you're right, neither is anything without the other (except interesting data or postulates, sometimes interesting enough in and of themselves to spend a lifetime on :)

      I enjoyed, particularly, studying the philosophy of science, and (having had a pretty digital upbringing :) lean towards the instrumentalist viewpoints that the models aren't necessarily correct,or even accurate, WRT the actual universe they describe, but that they do give us a very accurate way of predicting what will appear to us to happen.

      Philosophy on its own is not worthless, but the sort of philosophy that ends up disappearing up its own arse, happy in the knowledge that its unproven and unprovable, may as well be. :) What good does it do us if its eternal status is "Might be true, can't tell either way"? (Unless, of course, it actually does prove useful 750 years down the track....)

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    34. Re:Teleportation, or recreating? by kubrick · · Score: 2

      I'm willing to agree with your viewpoint about functionality, until it's *MY* consciousness at stake.

      The proof is in the pudding... and I'll let someone else beta test the machine. :)

      I've always said that consciousness is like a hall of mirrors. By it's very nature we cannot see or understand it, because we are using it as the tool to examine itself. It's like a blind spot in the whole rational process of our minds.

      Yes -- I think most variants of the qualia question are essentially meaningless, because they ask us to talk about something that cannot by its definition be defined or communicated.

      As much as I know that the only possible answer is that we are mere machines, very intelligent machines, but mere machines; as much as I know that on some level, I can never fully accept that, and I don't think you can either.

      I have no problem with machines having free will, for some value of free will. I can't conceive of anything dualist -- except to the extent that the mind may manifest itself in some other way in the myriad number of dimensions that have been postulated to exist (are we up to 11 now?), and even then I fit that within the 'physical' universe that (as far as I can tell) encompasses everything. I also believe that phenomenon to (eventually) be susceptible to some for of scientific investigation, when the time comes.

      I'm not as 'hard-core' as the full-on functionalist materialists, but I am happy to accept a materialist nature to existence.

      BTW: I'm not saying I'm right here, just stating my beliefs. I'm agnostic, so I have to muse about the nature of being in some other way. :) (I always say that I only came out of my Philosophy courses with one belief left -- "What is, is." And that's because I only did a BA, and didn't hang around for the postgrad stuff, otherwise I would have lost that too. :)

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    35. Re:Teleportation, or recreating? by llamalicious · · Score: 2

      Hmmm... there was an EFC episode in which they quantum duplicated Liam Kincaid so they could have a slightly out-of-phase version of himself with a CVI that wouldn't report to the mothership.

      I remember the psychological dilemma the writers added when the two were interoperating... it'd make my mind jelly.

    36. Re:Teleportation, or recreating? by NanoGator · · Score: 2

      "Would I be willing to teleport myself to that beer and drink it there? Hell no. Would you? "

      I wouldn't, either. The last thing I wanna do is be in a pub with my mates and shout "Why didn't anybody tell me my ass was so big!?!?"

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    37. Re:Teleportation, or recreating? by Tackhead · · Score: 2
      > As soon as the word "recreate" is used to describe the process, that means that the original is destroyed (i.e. killed), and the new object is just a copy. Sorry, I'm not going to step into that machine.

      man fork(2)

      The fork() and fork1() functions create a new process. The new process (child process) is an exact copy of the calling process (parent process). [ ... ]"

      Unless there's some stuff in the kernel we don't know about yet (always a possibility), humans don't come with unique process IDs. Both processes' fork() calls will return zero.

      When I step into the machine, one of me is vaporized and feels nothing. It's not around to complain :-) The surviving process steps into the machine and perceives itself as walking out the other end, instantaneously, even if "the other end" was light-years away.

      (And given that my data traveled at light speed to get there, and that all the news from Earth has been traveling at the same speed while I was in transit, I can walk over to the nearest kiosk and read the rest of today's Slashdot posts... Going back, mind you, would give me about nine years of reading to catch up on, which would suck ass... :)

    38. Re:Teleportation, or recreating? by Tackhead · · Score: 2
      > The main attraction of C is that it avoids the scariness implicit in B.

      Funny, as a guy who holds to "B", I always thought one of the biggest attractions of "B" was that it avoided the scariness implicit in "C".

    39. Re:Teleportation, or recreating? by Artifex · · Score: 2

      According to who's definition of equality?

      You just don't get it, do you?

      "Sir, the teleport is complete; you're now really in Paris. If you'll step this way, we can destroy this body. Yes, I'm sure. No, you're not really you, just a leftover body. Really, now, you're overreacting!"

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    40. Re:Teleportation, or recreating? by brunes69 · · Score: 2

      People who worry about this thing really ar emuhc more religious than me. There i sno "real you" The only "you" that exists is a mass of biochemical reactions. Your personality is othing more than the mass of your memories, which are stored biochemicly. You have no soul. Consciousness (if there is such a thing) is nothing more than an evolved biological process designed to give homo-sapiens an advantage, just as having a poisinous bite helps species of snakes.

    41. Re:Teleportation, or recreating? by brunes69 · · Score: 2

      The only known way to do teleportation is through quantm-entaglement, which by definition requires the destroying of the original in order to re-create the exact duplicate, in real time. No information available to be stored.

      Bzzt. Try again.

    42. Re:Teleportation, or recreating? by mindstrm · · Score: 2

      Well.. let's say I don't believe in a soul. Let's say I believe that the sense of consciousness comes from simply the arrangement of the molecules themselves and the patterns that arise within the mind.

      Given that, if we made an exacty quantum duplicate, It seems clear that both copies would feel they were, in fact, me. And they would both be correct.. however... would the copy really be me?

      What I mean is, to outsiders, both are indistinguishable in any way whatsoever. Yes, after the copy, they go on to have different experiences, but that's not what we are talking about.

      The thing is.. from my point of view. is it really me?

  3. I'm not getting in one of those things by yog · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Suppose they get this working with matter. Then it's just a matter of time before humans would walk into a chamber and be rematerialized somewhere else. The question is, who walks out of the destination chamber? Is it me or is it a reconstructed "me" with a different awareness, while the original "me" was destroyed? Even if it's a perfect copy, it's not worth the risk.

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    1. Re:I'm not getting in one of those things by interiot · · Score: 4, Funny
      Even if it's a perfect copy, it's not worth the risk.

      What if they could scan the original you, make sure they have two or three backups first, and confirm several long checksums of the backups versus the copied you, before they killed the original you? Would it be acceptable then?

    2. Re:I'm not getting in one of those things by discogravy · · Score: 5, Funny
      As long as those are legitimate back ups, and just for back up purposes, sure.

      It's bad enough people are sharing music and movies over the net, the last thing we need is people to start sharing themselves online!

      oh, wait...

    3. Re:I'm not getting in one of those things by interiot · · Score: 2

      Aye. RTFA. Entschuldigung.

    4. Re:I'm not getting in one of those things by krogoth · · Score: 2

      Even better, if the process doesn't require it, why destroy the original? I don't really like the idea of being unnecessarily killed while a perfect copy of myself is created.

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    5. Re:I'm not getting in one of those things by Artifex · · Score: 3, Funny

      What if they could scan the original you, make sure they have two or three backups first, and confirm several long checksums of the backups versus the copied you, before they killed the original you? Would it be acceptable then?

      Um. If I way up after someone makes a copy of me elsewhere, that's proof enough that that person is not me.

      "We're not killing you, just turning off your body here; you're really now in Paris. Trust me. Be still!"

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    6. Re:I'm not getting in one of those things by guttentag · · Score: 2
      To: yog
      From: Ministry of Love
      Subject: Re: I'm not getting in one of those things

      Why is it that you are the only person in your office who continues to resist teleportation? Society doesn't care whether it's the "real you" or a "duplicate you" that walks off the pad so long as that entity can contribute to the GDP the same way you do. Stop thinking about yourself for a minute and report to room 13B for political re-education. The two men standing behind you will show you the way.

    7. Re:I'm not getting in one of those things by foniksonik · · Score: 2

      Is this an excerpt from that age-old game of Paranoia (West End Games)?

      I hope sooo, I haven't thought about that game in at least 10 years.... wow! thanks (even if it isn't a reference). When will someone make an online game of that one...

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    8. Re: I'm not getting in one of those things by SmiloidalManiac · · Score: 2
      Suppose they get this working with matter. Then it's just a matter of time before humans would walk into a chamber and be rematerialized somewhere else. The question is, who walks out of the destination chamber? Is it me or is it a reconstructed "me" with a different awareness, while the original "me" was destroyed? Even if it's a perfect copy, it's not worth the risk.


      For a fun and disturbing thought, how do you know this never happens whenever you go to sleep? I remember thinking this as a kid...
  4. Amazing Science by Wrexen · · Score: 5, Funny

    Team leader Dr Ping Koy Lam says it involved creating a laser beam, its disembodiment and the recreation of the original beam in a different location

    The team was understood to be using a device known to insiders as a "video camera", although how it functions exactly was not disclosed during their press release

    1. Re:Amazing Science by cybercuzco · · Score: 2

      When was the last time you played a video and a laser beam came out of the TV?

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  5. McDonalds? by RelliK · · Score: 2
    Perhaps they could take me apart and send me to McDonalds at 25 MPH. That would be fantastic!

    Aha! So that's what they burgers are made of!

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  6. Re:teleportation by tftp · · Score: 4, Insightful
    what are the theological or philosophical repercussions of killing and rebuilding your physical self?

    For all practical purposes, it is like if you die (and disappear) each time you go to sleep, and your complete copy gets reconstructed at the instant you wake up.

    Given that cells of your body don't live long, you are a new, reborn person, every N years.

    The key to perceived continued existence is the slow transfer of your consciousness into another body, with clear departure from the old one. The copy operation (cp) is not good enough, you need the move (mv) here.

  7. Re:Religion, 'the soul', and teleportation by HydroCarbon10 · · Score: 2

    This should actually be a good test for the existence of the soul as separate from the body - if such a soul exists, the result of teleportation would be the removal of the soul from the body.

    Would you care to explain this phenomenon in detail? Oh, wait, you can't prove it but you believe it to be true. You're argument is just as "solid" as the argument of the "fundamentalists" that you deride. You have none.

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  8. Re:Religion, 'the soul', and teleportation by yog · · Score: 2

    OK. Suppose you walk into a teleportation chamber, it scans you completely and creates the identical copy at the destination. Then, it destroys the original you, to achieve the effect of "teleporting". That's what I don't want.

    Philosophically it doesn't matter to the rest of the universe what entity emerges from the destination chamber as long as it's a perfect copy of the original. However, it's still murder.

    You can go; I'll take the bus.

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  9. Wow, teleportation of waves by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 2

    How is this different from "teleporting" a sound wave by using a microphone and a speaker?

    1. Re:Wow, teleportation of waves by BobTheBooser · · Score: 2, Informative

      This is compleetly different from transporting sound by using a microphone and speaker.
      1 these are billions of photons, not the average of air preasure over the cone of a microphone.
      2 They are the teleportation makes an "exact" replica of the photons in the lazer at the other point.
      3 these are photons not waves, if you remember your high school physics light waves and light photons are two different (interconected) things.

      5 in mic -> speaker you are basicly making an electrical aproximation to the air preasure waves, sending that electrical signal down a wire, and the speaker aproximating movement of its cone via the magnetic interactions from that signal.
      In quantum teleportation such as this, the quantum states of the molecules at each end are directly conected.

      6 im sure someone eles could give a better explanation and more reasons

  10. Re:teleportation by Com2Kid · · Score: 2

    Given that cells of your body don't live long, you are a new, reborn person, every N years.

    IIRC some parts of your body are only once around.

    Your brain for instance. :)

    Some of the other human organs have this principle too, and there is even a name for the group of them as a whole, but darned if I can remember it. ^_^

  11. Re:Question by ObviousGuy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Can anyone give a layman's explanation of how the information is getting passed from point a to point b?

    Magic.

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  12. Nonsense by Bushipunk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Quantum entanglement isn't nonsense, and I don't imagine that this teleportation experiment necessarily is either, but the article on The Australian site certainly seems to be. Am I the only one who found it to be incredibly poorly written? I'm somewhat familiar with the principles involved, but I couldn't make heads or tails of most of it.

    More detailed my foot - it was gibberish. There were definite erorrs (a previous post already pointed out that the "spooky interactions" are instantaneous, not "at the speed of light"). It's a real shame, too - this may be near-sci-fi technology, but it really isn't so arcane that a little basic proof-reading couldn't be done on articles about it.

    1. Re:Nonsense by foniksonik · · Score: 2

      It isn't the 'spooky interactions' that are at the speed of light, it's the info describing the photons. The entanglement just makes sure that the quatum state info is accurate (AFAIK).

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  13. Re:Religion, 'the soul', and teleportation by HydroCarbon10 · · Score: 2

    Philosophically it doesn't matter to the rest of the universe what entity emerges from the destination chamber as long as it's a perfect copy of the original. However, it's still murder.

    Please...a perfect copy IS the original. Everything in the universe is made of energy. People are no exception, and one person certainly isn't made of "different" energy than another. Also, for teleportation to work the only thing that can come out of the other end is a perfect copy. We couldn't begin to measure how randomly changing the kinetic energies and translational vectors of the chemicals in your body will affect you.

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  14. Faster than super fast! by mattdm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yeah I thought that was pretty funny too. I think the reporter is wrong, though -- the spooky part is that it happens *faster* than the speed of light. I'm pretty sure about this, in fact, because there's a famous Einstein line about "spooky action at a distance" referring to faster-than-light quantum effects, which I'm pretty sure the scientists quoted would be aware of.

    That being the case, everyone here is totally missing the point. And in fact, the reporters who wrote the linked-to story missed it to, despite this quote:

    "The applications of teleportation for computers and communications over the next decade are very exciting," [Dr. Ping Koy Lam] said.

    The bits about teleporting solid objects (including humans) were just humoring the reporter -- sort of like the whole "could this experiment destroy the universe" thing surrounding supercolliders. The true interesting practical application of this is FTL communication -- vital for any space missions going much further than, say, Mars -- and pretty handy even if you're only that far away.

    1. Re:Faster than super fast! by 037 · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Yeah, FTL communication is cool, and I would agree that it is vital if it were at all possible, and I mean at all. It's not. The truth is that this type of laser teleportation is pretty arcane stuff, and doesn't move faster than the speed of light.

      The question is begged, "what is the point of making a a laser go the speed of light? Isn't that like making a german sheppard go the speed of dog?" and the answer is um, sort of. Because the laser is reconstructed at the other location sort of faster than the speed of light, in that half of it arrives instantly (FTL) and the other half arrives at the speed of light.

      This doesn't make any sense, but that's cool, so we'll keep going. The important thing to note is that the two halves of the laser beam (not really half, in the terms of 1/2 intensity or anything like that, it's more about the polarization, but we'll gloss over that) are needed to transmit any information. That's any information at all, including if the laser is even turned on or not.

      That means that half of the laser can arrive from Jupiter, and the other half is en route for however long it takes for light to get here from Jupiter and you pretty much have to wait around.

      (Actually, you can do a whole bunch of nifty calculations while you're waiting, and this is usually a good idea, but I've already dreadfully confused myself so let's skip that part.)

      Then your speed-of-light transmission arrives with the other half of the data and you can reconstruct the original. Which is fabulous, and actually quite exciting, but importantly not faster than the speed of light.

      Information turns out to be limited just like everything else is by the universal speed limit of 3X10^8m/s. So, if you want to go past, say, Mars, you're going to have to be ready for some lag on your phone call home. It's sad, but it's true.

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    2. Re:Faster than super fast! by redcliffe · · Score: 2

      I can't stand people who say that because we think it's impossible to do something now, that it always will be. You don't know what technology may come about in the future. I'm sure the ancients thought it impossible to fly without feathers, but we do now.

  15. yes and no by Kz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The "spooky action at a distance" is a weird consequense of the heisenberg uncertainity principle. It 'appears' to be an interaction, but in fact it's just the result of the coherency between two 'entangled' wavefunctions.

    the 'yes' part is that to receive a teleportation, you have to have one of the entagled particles, and a measured quantity.

    the 'no' part is that since the measured quantity is transmitted classicaly, there's no FTL transfer of anything.

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    1. Re:yes and no by ShavenYak · · Score: 2

      Yup the original particle must be destroyed.

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  16. Re:Link by lex_weaver · · Score: 4, Informative

    The URL you have provided is for a page published by a student undertaking a first-year physics course. Whilst it may (or may not) contain some good content, I doubt the student is part of the research team, and the page should not be treated as authoritative.

    The page at http://photonics.anu.edu.au/qoptics/ is somewhat more official.

  17. DMCA violation? by aozilla · · Score: 5, Funny

    As any teleportation device could clearly be used to replicate 'N Sync CDs, its use will be obviously be prohibited by the DMCA.

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    1. Re:DMCA violation? by PacoTaco · · Score: 2, Funny

      If you sent James Brown then it would be funky action at a distance.

    2. Re:DMCA violation? by frovingslosh · · Score: 2
      As any teleportation device could clearly be used to replicate 'N Sync CDs, its use will be obviously be prohibited by the DMCA.

      This might also explain the "region 2 error" I get in my experiments when I try to teleport a DVD to England.

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  18. Replication or Recreation -- not an easy question by serutan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The blueprint analogy shows a lack of understanding of entanglement. There is no blueprint at the receiving end, and no measurement and communication of instructions to replicate the properties of the sending photon. What happens is a seemingly spontaneous change in the properties of the receiving photon.

    Whether this is teleportation or replication is more of a philosophical question, or maybe a matter of semantics. Is an object (or a laser beam) equal to the sum of its properties? If you can make the sum total of an object's quantum properties disappear from one place and reappear in another place, have you merely copied the object or have you moved it?

    I think you've moved it, but questions like these deserve more than offhanded answers.

  19. Re:Still limited by speed of light by mattdm · · Score: 2

    Are you sure about that? If the numbers reported in the second article are correct, the "teleportation" does in fact happen at faster than light speed -- see this comment.

  20. Re:exceeding the speed of light by Why+Should+I · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That's the whole point.

    The "spooky interaction" postulate was based on the fact that these things seem to be interacting at faster than the speed of light.

    As other posts say, the re-constituted object appears (essentially) before the old one is destroyed.

  21. Re:Crappy Australian science journalism by detect · · Score: 2, Funny

    While the rest of the world has been sleeping we have been busily developing teleportation.

    Australia's Teleportation project:

    All we needed was Superconductor and Future Tech. In another 2 turns we will also have Genetic Engineering and the SETI Program!

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  22. Re:teleportation by tftp · · Score: 2
    Except for your nerve cells

    Nerve cells (axons) do regenerate, how else damaged nerves could be reconnected?

    Neurons, on the other hand, were believed to not regenerate at all. Recent studies, however, disprove this theory, concluding, in part, that "the human hippocampus retains its ability to generate neurons throughout life".

  23. Re:Remember... by martyn+s · · Score: 2

    Thing is, the strongest point in this post is not true. There are always more +2 posts than +3 posts and more +4 posts than +5 posts. Check this story, check every story. What you're saying is not true.

  24. Of course ... by ProfMoriarty · · Score: 2
    ABC Australia reports that a team of scientists from the Australian National University have successfully teleported a laser beam.

    And with this ... nobody knows where the laser beam went to.

    It is surmised that it is currently in time-space next to the time-machine that was invented several years ago, switched on ... and summarily disappeared.

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  25. Re:exceeding the speed of light by josh+crawley · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm still considering very fast traveling of the light. If there was an impediment between the 1 meter, I'd consider teleportation.

    There's a relativly (pun intended) interesting experiment on NEC Institute's web page. It proves that light can go faster than C. Here for NEC Faster than C webpage

    It seems that this beam of light traveled about 3C. However, there's conjecture that it traveled slower, but time dilation made it seem 3C. That's unprovable at the time though.

  26. Re:exceeding the speed of light by snkline · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think the article is incorrect, the Quantum Entanglment interactions are instantaneous, not delayed.

  27. *STAR TREK* by WetCat · · Score: 2, Funny

    **Enterprize is caught in a long range tractor beam
    ***HACK HACK HACK CHOKE!
    Kirk: Rauh! Rauh!

    May be we'll create long range tractor beams from the teleporting laser beams?

  28. Re:light transportation? by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 2

    The article doesn't make it clear if this is possible, but it would certainly be useful to be able to set up a network to transfer the quantum state, and then later transfer the actual information, after the network is torn down. What if I could transfer the quantum state in my car, take it to my friend, and then when I go home I can communicate with that friend. Even if it's "only" at the speed, this would revolutionize communications (and bankrupt the entire current telecommunications industry). No more need for T1s.

  29. Re:teleportation by mesocyclone · · Score: 2

    For all practical purposes, it is like if you die (and disappear) each time you go to sleep, and your complete copy gets reconstructed at the instant you wake up. This makes a big assumption: that your self is simply a product of the state of the atoms in your body. I think it is not unreasonable, but it is not a certainty. In this mechanistic age, this assumption is too often taken as an axiom.

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  30. On teleporting humans by Vadim+Makarov · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here is an informal talk by Samuel Braunstein on the problem of teleporting humans.

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  31. Re:teleportation by tftp · · Score: 2
    The key to percieved continuity of conciousness is memory. Think about it: if your memory were wiped clean and replaced with a completely different history instantaneously, you'd never realize that you used to be someone\something else.

    No. That would work only for the copy of me, but not for the original. The copy does not see a break in memories anyway. The problem is the original. Just imagine, you walk into a chamber, stand there for a minute, and then the operator says "All ready, you've been copied, now be please so kind to walk to the wall and I will shoot you." That is a problem - break of continuity for the original person.

    Think about this process. You are teleporting somewhere. You enter the Blue Chamber, press the button. Instantly the surroundings begin to fade into something else, colors fade, teleport operators become more and more transparent, and at the same time other people become visible where they weren't... and finally everything is stable again, and you are in Green chamber at the other end, with all your memories intact and not broken for a moment. That would work.

  32. It's faster than light teleportation too! by NewtonsLaw · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The article says:

    Using a process known as quantum entanglement, the researchers, led by 34-year-old physicist Ping Koy Lam, have disassembled a laser at one end of an optical communications system and recreated a replica a metre away

    and

    But the radio signal survives and is sent electronically to a receiving station, where within a nanosecond an exact replica of the beam - with the radio signal intact - is retrieved and decoded.

    I'm having trouble working out whether that nano-second is the elapsed time from when the original beam is destroyed and the new one is created, or whether it's the amount of time required to recreate the beam from the received radio signal.

    If it's the former then we're talking faster-than-light teleportation here because it takes light 3 nanoseconds to travel a yard.

    1. Re:It's faster than light teleportation too! by foniksonik · · Score: 2

      Just confirming the 3 nanosecond thing.

      "For example, if the second is kept as the basic unit of time, then the unit of length must be equal to exactly 299792458 metres."

      http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity /S peedOfLight/fast_light.html

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  33. A bit more vagueness, please? by Mulletproof · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "An encoded radio signal is embedded on an input laser, which is combined with entanglement and then scanned. The laser is destroyed in the process. But the radio signal survives and is sent electronically to a receiving station, where within a nanosecond an exact replica of the beam - with the radio signal intact - is retrieved and decoded."

    First, a simplified definition from my very limited research into Quantum Entanglement: The supposed link between particles that have once interacted, enabling them to influence each other instantaneously over indefinite distances.

    I'll mention before hand I'm not a quantum physics major of any sort, but if I'm reading this correctly, they have encoded a laser beam with a radio signal and "quantum entangled" the two mediums which is then "scanned" (whatever the hell that is) in which the laser is destroyed in the process. So now we should supposively have an intact radio signal with a "destroyed" laser sub-atomically anchored to it in ether somewhere. Sending this radio signal downrange to a receiver will recreate this signal and "pull" the laser back into reality (pardon my butchering of terms).

    My problem here is perhapse not how unbelieveable this sound, but how damn vague the artical is. Scanning? How the hell was the beam recreated? Did it appear from thin air? Did it have to be "un" entangled? It doesn't seem as if the laser is infact destroyed at all... How do you go about "entangling" something to being with? This artical doesn't simply bog you down in scientific explanation; In fact it doesn't bog you down in ANY explanation for that matter-- it throws some words in and stirs them up with teleportation references. Hell, the only way I could figure out ANY details was independent research, and oh, how fun that was. The above definition was as easy as it got. After that? Whew... Maybe I'm just bitching, but I'm asssuming this article was written for the common man, but goes far beyond watering things down. It leaves out key pieces nessisary for understanding to occure. Jeez, that's shitty writing...

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  34. Re:teleportation by tftp · · Score: 2
    The only other assumption that would change things here would be the "soul" hypothesis. However, it has not been proven to be correct or incorrect yet. The modern theory that associates self-awareness to electro-chemical processes in the brain has much more solid foundation already, even though modern computers are not good enough to simulate a brain yet.

    That's exactly why I used this theory in my analogy - it makes more sense at this time. If the soul gets discovered in some way (for example, as a wave in ether or hyperspace) then very many concepts will change.

  35. quantum teleportation is not teleportation by g4dget · · Score: 2
    The point of quantum teleportation is that it preserves the quantum entanglements of the object being teleported.

    But for teleporting humans, what matters is first of all the classical physical structure: the DNA sequence, arrangement of membranes, intracellular locations of proteins, and all that. There is no indication that you need quantum mechanical information or even dynamical information in order to make teleportation work.

    Maybe it will be quantum mechanical tricks that ultimately make teleportation feasible. But these results so far really have nothing to do with the teleportation of real-world objects, because they don't solve the hard problem. The hard part is not transmitting entanglements, the hard part is transmitting the instantaneous locations of molecules in 200 pounds of matter and recreate them at the other end nearly instantaneously.

    1. Re:quantum teleportation is not teleportation by foniksonik · · Score: 2

      I'd imagine that quantum entanglements is certainly related to the inter-relationship of the photons involved in this experiment.

      This means that eventually the inter-relationships of quantum states of electrons in 'atoms' and how they interact with each other will also be available. This means that eventually the inter-relationships of quantum states of electrons in 'molecules' and how they interact with each other will also be available.

      We're missing protons and neuterons. Who knows the future of this part. However it is the inter-relationships of each component and not necessarily the 'location' which looks to be the answer.

      If you think about it one way, a certain pattern of inter-relationships between electrons/neutrons/protons really defines the atom and thereby defines the molecule, etc. and one pattern defines the connected pattern as a result of the physics and chemistry involved... think about how molecules form themselves based on valence levels of electrons and available 'links' between atoms of elements. This goes on and on until you have a composite of elements/molecules otherwise known as matter.

      It is the inter-relationships which can be charted and gauranteed to be accurate because they can not ,according to the laws of physics, form any other pattern with those same relationships.

      Location is relative.

      The inter-relationships of millions of atoms of elements is not. The pattern can only exist in one configuration and that is related to it's quantum state at the time, a result of the inter-relationships between all of the atoms.

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  36. Re:Paralysis? by tftp · · Score: 2
    why can paralysis victems not regrow their nerve cells in order to walk again?

    It is a big question, and I am not a doctor. But probably your question is incorrectly stated. There is no such single thing as "paralysis". There are many illnesses and injuries that have symptoms of paralysis. If a portion of the brain gets seriously damaged (in a stroke, for example) then some functionality can be lost. Some of lost functionality can be later regained, and so far it is attributed to brain's rerouting capabilities. But I don't know much about that, and nobody knows.

    Even if paralysis is caused by nerve damage, nerves grow very slowly. If a significant section of a nerve is lost, it may never be restored.

  37. Practical Application? by NetRanger · · Score: 4, Funny

    I have a great idea for a device which will employ this new technology...

    How about a device that will teleport the laser back into the eye of the dumbass teenager shooting his laser pointer on the movie theater screen?

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    1. Re:Practical Application? by cybercuzco · · Score: 2
      How about a device that will teleport the laser back into the eye of the dumbass teenager shooting his laser pointer on the movie theater screen?

      They do that themselves. I remember riding the bus in HS, and the stoners who sat in the back would have contests to see who could shoot a laser pointer directly into their eye the longest before it hurt so much that they had to take it away.

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  38. Shitty Journalism by Mulletproof · · Score: 2

    And that's my problem with whoever wrote this crap. It's obviously dumbed down for people who know nothing about quantum physics (me), but then doesn't even provide the clues for basic understanding. My half hour google search revealed:

    Quantum Entanglement: The supposed link between particles that have once interacted, enabling them to influence each other instantaneously over indefinite distances.

    Da Mullet's interpretation: Once the two mediums are "entangled" (how you do that is anybodies guess because the article sure as hell doesn't say), they are mysteriously anchored to one another, partical to partical regardless of distance. THEREFORE... While you can "destroy" the laser beam into a chaotic mess, those particals are still mysteriously anchored to their radio counterparts. According to this article, they have destroyed the laser and it's signal, but transmitted the radio to a reciever and have been able to recreate the laser via quantum entanglement effect. The radio partical's laser counterparts (supposively scattered around incoherently) are pulled back from ether to create the original laser signal at point B.

    That's the best I can do. Hope it helps, cuz the author sure didn't.

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  39. I wonder how long-range can they make it by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Interesting
    If they can make it really long-range, as long as they can make it consume less power, it'll at least be useful for things like replacing undersea fiberoptic cables, and communication links to (at least) geosync satellites.

    It would be even better if it didn't have propagation time but hell, I'll settle for the speed at which a laser normally travels through a fiberoptic cable. That wouldn't disappoint me at all.

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  40. transporter was budgetary device by pmineiro · · Score: 2, Informative

    it's so funny ... the original transporter on star trek was introduced because they lacked the budget to handle shuttlecraft scenes. the famous roddenberry quote is "what if they just appeared there?"

    and here it is, inspiring cool science. neat.

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  41. Nice, but the real question is... by tm2b · · Score: 3, Insightful

    My big question would be what the "speed" of the information propogation was. Some say it should be c, some say it should be "instantaneous" - either way, the results will have substantial impact on our view of several well accepted physical models.

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    1. Re:Nice, but the real question is... by tm2b · · Score: 2

      It's only instantaneous in theory. AFAIK, there's no experimental data to back up the claim of instantaneous travel (of energy or information).

      General Relativity says that nothing can go faster than light, and as a result the two models are inconsistent. That's why experiment is important, to determine which theory requires updating.

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  42. IF this is true... by Mulletproof · · Score: 2

    Hell, it was an outer limits episode too. Aliens gave humans teleporter technology, but the human operator finds out that the originals are actually destroyed while their copies go about their daily lives thinking nothing but transport has taken place. Of course, the guy went insane... Until you can quantify what truely makes us different from life without consciousness, you're not going to be able to answer that question. if we're just building blocks to be taken apart and put back together, then there shouldn't be much consequence at all. If there is more, something governing those blocks beyong the physical, then you'll be running into quite a few moral dillemas.

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  43. Not just encryption... by Mulletproof · · Score: 2

    Sorry, another post on the main, but there are applications far beyond encryption... Try non-line of sight laser bombardment. Still, they never mentioned what it took to re-create the laser anyway. And that's assuming this isn't just cold fusion or Internet though your AC outlet...

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  44. Re:Religion, 'the soul', and teleportation by startled · · Score: 2

    "Suppose you walk into a teleportation chamber, it scans you completely and creates the identical copy at the destination. Then, it destroys the original you,"

    Actually, most of these philosophical questions are conveniently solved by the fact that that's not at all what happens.

    The scanning process involves destroying the original. At no point in time are there two of you, and we currently have no idea of how to do something like that.

  45. I'm cool with this by Graspee_Leemoor · · Score: 2

    I'm cool with being sent in this "destroy the original and recreate" thing so long as they don't transmit the UDP...

    me: "Where's my frickin' legs, assmunch?"

    technician: "Sorry mate, packet loss."

    graspee

  46. ya, kinda funny by martissimo · · Score: 2

    how the researchers state that the main hopes for it at this point are as an amazing encryption device, and yet 99% of the comments are about teleportation of matter.

  47. Re:Link by proxima · · Score: 2

    Too bad the "Quantum Teleportation" project listed on this page: http://photonics.anu.edu.au/qoptics/projects.htmll eads to a page that is still "Under Construction".

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  48. E-bay auction by quintessent · · Score: 3, Funny

    The original Mona Lisa, in good condition. Bidding starts at $20 million.

    The item will be sent either via FedEx or by FAX machine, buyer's choice.

  49. Re:exceeding the speed of light by josh+crawley · · Score: 2

    I knew some slashbot would make a rather inane comment on a non-issue. That's what the main project engineer was asked. See, we still dont know if faster-than-light does reverse-dilate time. It's still a theory till we prove it, and all we need is 1 out-of-bound number to throw it out.

    So yes, it is a valid question.

  50. Re:Link by dpp · · Score: 2, Funny
    Too bad the "Quantum Teleportation" project listed on this page: http://photonics.anu.edu.au/qoptics/projects.html leads to a page that is still "Under Construction".

    They must still be building it up painstakingly from bits they teleported from somewhere else :-)

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  51. transportation by RatFink100 · · Score: 2

    There's a word for moving a object from one location to another whilst maintaining the continuing existence of that object - it's called transportation.

    dictionary.com defines teleportation on the other hand as "A hypothetical method of transportation in which matter or information is dematerialized, usually instantaneously, at one point and recreated at another."

  52. Obligatory Douglas Adams Quote by JimPooley · · Score: 4, Funny

    I teleported home one night,
    With Ron and Sid and Meg.
    Ron stole Meggie's heart away,
    And I got Sidney's leg.

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  53. Re:teleportation by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 2
    The problem is the original. Just imagine, you walk into a chamber, stand there for a minute, and then the operator says "All ready, you've been copied, now be please so kind to walk to the wall and I will shoot you."

    I was just thinking about that to. That has the all the makings of a good sci-fi movie. Some guy(s) who keeps teleporting himself, but is always killing himself to, each time he does it. Wonder what that would to do the soul (if it exists). Wonder if your soul would be part of each copy. Would it be fair and legal to kill you old copy? Since it is a person to. Wonder if the memories of dieing would build up each time you did it.

    That's some fucked up shit that society isn't ready for yet. Lucky, we won't have to deal with it just yet.

  54. Re:Question by Salsaman · · Score: 2
    Yes, it uses sub-space frequency transmission.

  55. Re:It's the perfect test of a soul by HydroCarbon10 · · Score: 2

    The key is that you can't prove any of that. There is no logic to religion. Nearly everyone raised under the philosophy of western logic, however, insists that there is logic to religion and that logic can be used to either prove or disprove religion.

    ...and before you deride me for being no better than the unthinking joe-sixpack, you should study eastern philosophy.

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  56. Growing nerve cells by Aapje · · Score: 2

    An important problem is getting both ends of the nerve cells to connect to each other again. They can't automagically find each other. A cut nerve will usually grow a bit and give up when it doesn't reconnect very quickly.

    There is some early work on producing scaffolds that lead the nerve cells to each other and keep them multiplying until they reconnect.

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  57. Re:It's faster than light teleportation by guybarr · · Score: 2, Informative


    superluminal photons are old news.
    IIRC, though, superluminal communiaction , i.e. passage of information is considered impossible .

    (the fact the WF collapses does not imply passage of information, as you need to know the information measured at source to decipher the destination state)

    I very much doubt they achived this.

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  58. Re:Question by Asprin · · Score: 2

    You know, there's a great story about Richard Fenynman using 'layman's terms'. I've heard slightly different versions, but for the most part, the story appears to be true.

    When RF won his Nobel prize in Physics for Quantum Electrodynamics, the story goes that he was approached by a reporter who asked him to explain "in layman's terms" what his work was about.

    Feynman's response? Something like, "Well, if i could explain it to you in layman's terms, it wouldn't have been worth the Nobel prize."

    Classic.

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  59. The BBC also has an article on the story... by Zspdude · · Score: 2
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  60. Re:Quantum Entanglement by pboulang · · Score: 2, Informative
    Quick correction: Einstein's theory never said that the speed of light was the fastest that things could travel. Is in an impossible barrier to anything with MASS (due to the fact that mass will increase asymptotically to infinity as it approaches the speed of light) But then this argument also does not bring up tachyons, which would work with the theory happily.

    The ERP theory *was* proposed by Albert to attempt to disprove instantaneous communication. However, since relativity makes the whole concept of instantaneous moot what are we talking about anyways??

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  61. Re:Wich bring a good point by aozilla · · Score: 2

    Fire fighters could back themselves up before heading into burning buildings. Then if they die, they can just restore from backup.

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  62. Re:Wich bring a good point by Kintanon · · Score: 2

    There's a pretty good SciFi book about this called '"A" for Anything'.

    Kintanon

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  63. Bell's Theorem and Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen by emil · · Score: 2

    I am not a physicist, but I seem to remember a discussion of FTL properties implied by work by Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen and extended by J.S. Bell.

    The particular discussion I remember involved the emission of paired electrons that travel some arbitrary distance. When the path of one of these electrons is altered by some external force, the path of the paired electron is also instantaneously diverted (with some limitation due to frame of reference) in an equal and opposite direction, implying an FTL transfer of information, if not of matter or energy. As I remember, this has an intense impact on the assertion of local causality. Google seems to turn up a large number of references on this subject.

    In any case I do not understand why practical applications of this phenomena have not yet been developed.

    Please pardon any inadequacies of this summary; I am a lowly engineer and computer scientist entirely unqualified to be commenting on such lofty subjects.

  64. Teleportation for humans? I'll pass by xant · · Score: 2

    I don't believe in the soul, but this argument could be rewritten with that word. I choose the word "identity." You will never teleport me, because if you did I would lose my identity.

    I believe we are more than just brains and tissue and memories; we are the sum of ALL of our parameters. Our identity depends on that location parameter too. How do we reconcile this view with the certain knowledge that our parameters are changing constantly? We are constantly moving, our cells being born and dying, our mood swinging, or memories collecting. Identity isn't just the set of parameters as it is right now, it's a continuous function which shows our path from single unfertilized egg cell to the sum of all those terabytes of data which make us up as adults.

    To teleport me into another location, you recreate my exact characteristics in the new location with a new location parameter. Whether or not the original continues to exist is irrelevant; the new me is not the old me. You have created a discontinuity in my function. Identity is continuity.

    Let's talk about that important concept, identity.
    # The set of behavioral or personal characteristics by which an individual is recognizable as a member of a group.
    # The quality or condition of being the same as something else.
    # The distinct personality of an individual regarded as a persisting entity; individuality.

    The dictionary is telling us that it means both "the same as something else" and "distinct, individual". It's almost a one-word oxymoron. Certainly if you have been teleported in a process which can conceivably leave behind, even for a millisecond, a copy of you at the starting location, you are no longer individual. That sense of identity has been violated.

    What about the second sense: The quality or condition of being the same as something else. But if a being has been teleported, the new being is not "the same as" the other. They do not share identity because of that discontinuity. The old me has to be destroyed, the new me has to be born, and they do not share the same location, so they do not share the same function, so they are not the same waveform, and they are not the same entity.

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  65. Re:no by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 2
    For one thing, I'm not judging Buddhism at all. I'm making an observation that a perspective informed by a straightforward neuroscientific perspective on consciousness and the self resembles Buddhism in some ways - and the Buddhist doctrine of the skandas, to which I was referring, is universal in Buddhism, not just to Chan/Zen schools or even the Mahayana.

    Memory is an iffy way of defending the unity of the self over time. It is frequently wrong. Memories are reconstructions based on reactivation of neural paths, and are flawed, selective, and distorting. It is possible to remember things that didn't happen, and experimental psychology is filled with such cases (giving rise to the false-memory phenomenon of the past couple decades.)

    I'm capable of saying "I am." I'm also capable of saying "I am not," "I am the king of France," and the like. The question is what endures from moment to moment.

    Saying "mu" is pretentious. This ain't no zendo.

  66. Take one to Mars by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

    Hopefully they can productize this in the next decade or so, and the Mars explorers can take one with them.

    This way, they won't have to wait many minutes between sending and receiving messages with Earth.

    BTW, it's a 'subspace communicator', not a 'teleporter'. C'mon, get your bad Sci-Fi right.

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    1. Re:Take one to Mars by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2
      Hmmm, the BBC article says:

      At first sight, entanglement offers the prospect of sending a signal faster than the speed of light. But a closer look at what is actually possible shows that this will not work because of the limits of what can be known about quantum mechanical systems and how such information is relayed.

      But the IBM research several years back showed how to get around that particular problem. I wonder if that info came from the lab or the reporter's general knowledge.

      The quantam physics part moves faster than light (instant), but you need information (a radio wave) to use it so it isn't FTL communications...

      Hmmm, I'm hunting around the BBC site, but I'm not finding that in the article. You need information going into the system, a modulated laser in this case, and you have to analyze the data coming out, another modulated laser, all of which takes time. The FTL distance in this experiment is only 1 meter, but as the FTL distance is increased, the whole system should become FTL, no?

      The Lab Website isn't much use here...
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  67. +1, Funny by clary · · Score: 2

    ROFLMAO. Where are mod points when I need them...

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  68. CNN article by scubacuda · · Score: 2

    here.

  69. Re:You're forgetting something... by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 2

    "Now what are you going to make the one at the other end out of..."

    The same stuff that the original is made out of...carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, iron...

    I have absolutely no idea HOW you could do this, but there's nothing special about the basic ingredients that we're all made of. I have read before that the chemicals in our bodies are worth about 6 bucks on the open market.

    "...where are the 1.21 gigawatts needed to do it going to come from"

    Either lightning hitting the old clock tower or the wall outlet.

    -B

  70. Re:It's faster than light teleportation by Asparfame · · Score: 2

    It is not faster than light. Observable information never moves faster than light, even in Quantum Mechanics. It's true that entangled particles can "communicate" in a sense faster than light with eachother, but classical (measurable) information will never move faster than light.

    In this experiment, a radio signal was sent between the teleportation sender and the teleportation receiver. At each end, there were some particles entangled with the particles at the other end, however, the classical information - that is the laser beam - could not be reconstructed without sending a radio signal (at the speed of light) from one end to the other.

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  71. Re:teleportation by praedor · · Score: 2

    Not so fast Clarence! Not ALL your cells replace. Many cells are no longer dividing nor capable. Certain tissues (blood, mucosa, liver, skin, and the like) do constantly replenish with less and less fidelity as time passes but there are many critical cells and tissues that do not replenish and you are flat stuck with them.


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  72. Re:teleportation by praedor · · Score: 2

    Your "information" isn't stored in individual atoms. You are not a form of holographic storage device. Information is stored in very stable macromolecules such that even if this atom or that atom is replaced, the connections are the same (a covalent bond between a carbon and nitrogen atom is the same no matter what. This bond is no different than THAT bond - no information is stored in that bond). It is like trying to claim that synthetic vitamin C is not the same as "natural" vitamin C. They ARE the same. They are handled, seen as, and behave the same no matter how the vitamin C was synthesized. There is no information of note in the combined atoms of one molecule vs another. YOU are macromolecules such that the individual atoms are irrelevant in and of themselves.

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  73. Re:It's faster than light teleportation by Asparfame · · Score: 2

    The particles can "communicate" faster than light, but humans cannot extract information from this communication.

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  74. Re:no by ffatTony · · Score: 2

    I'm capable of saying "I am." I'm also capable of saying "I am not," "I am the king of France," and the like. The question is what endures from moment to moment.

    But I really am the king of France.

    Ok, maybe I'm not, but I swear I used to be.

  75. Re:Replication or Recreation -- not an easy questi by serutan · · Score: 2

    Another thought -- it's very possible that location is a quantum effect, and "normal" movement is subatomic particles popping out of existence and reappearing a distance-quantum away. If that turns out to be the case, then what we call teleportation is the same thing as normal movement, just covering a larger distance with each jump.