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Cops Have Got Your Number

explosionhead writes "Salon has a nice article about the FBI's stretching their powers for phone taps under the 'Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act' and how this could apply to digital communication. The FCC tried to apply this 3 years ago, and it was fought off, but the article also comments that many of the Telcos were hesitant to argue this time around for fear of bad post Sept-11 publicity." We covered this when it happened, with a lot of good information if I do say so myself. Salon is now noting that no one is willing to challenge the revised FCC rules, running scared in the (dare I say it?) post-September 11 world.

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  1. Come on now.. by swaic · · Score: 4, Insightful


    We all know that if anyone makes any attempt to challenge any Post-September 11 legislation, they are anti-American, anti-patriotic and of course support and sympathize with terrorists.

  2. Wiretap? by sheepab · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As I have heard, read, and understood, the FBI has devices they can just SET near the wire/line and it picks it up via electrical waves outputted by the wire/line. So, in reality, it isnt really a 'wiretap'. I could see this as being a way to get around the law, or atleast cause a pain in the butt in courts. Of coarse Im no lawyer and Im most likely wrong. Anyone else ever hear about or see one of these devices?

    1. Re:Wiretap? by yoyoyo · · Score: 4, Informative
      As I have heard, read, and understood, the FBI has devices they can just SET near the wire/line and it picks it up via electrical waves outputted by the wire/line. So, in reality, it isnt really a 'wiretap'. I could see this as being a way to get around the law

      No such luck. The courts have ruled that sense-enhancing techology requires a warrant. For example, using thermal imaging to see if you are using heat lamps to grow MJ is a no-no. Nice FUD though.

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  3. you can say it by Kargan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ///Salon is now noting that no one is willing to challenge the revised FCC rules, running scared in the (dare I say it?) post-September 11 world.///

    Yes, you can say "post-Semtember 11 world" because the truth is, this event obviously had and will continue have life-changing, far-reaching effects and consequences on every American.

    It is our job to make sure those effects evoke positive changes in our lifestyles, not negative ones, even in the short term.

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  4. Sad by kupekhaize · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You know, its pretty sad when I think about this. The terrorists have won; no matter what we say. They wanted to force us to change our lives; they succeeded. They wanted us to give up our way of life; we have, or at least part of it. They wanted us to be afraid; we are, at least to some extent. If you see somebody walking down main street with a large trenchcoat now, your afraid. What might he be doing.

    Terrorism will always succeed if we let them force us to change our ways, and give up some of our freedoms.

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  5. Re:Since when has this site turned from... by BrainInAJar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions. You can pass all sorts of laws for the protection of the people that gives extra powers, but what then when the "bad guys" are the ones who control all this anti-citizen technology?

    This isn't "commie red china" because it can't be. The laws are not (yet) in place to let it be.

  6. I dont get it at times by q-soe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not being american i have to admit i have trouble understanding the post september 11 issue.. It amazes me that since that date the number of basic rights and civil liberties that have been ignored or thrown away in the cause of 'Patriotism' are so big.

    it seems anything can be dismissed as post september 11 and be justifiable on the grounds of the war against terrorism...

    meanwhile in palestine the IDF moves tanks back into refuge settlements to 'supress undesirable elements' and no one blinks ?

    Tragedy that sept 11 was its no excuse to allow your rights and freedoms to be taken away from you and no excuse to not stand up for yourselves or others - America is supposed to be the land of the free and home of the brave - it seems worryinh that these days its increasingly not so free and only brave when backed by superior firepower.....

    And am i the only one who thinks that the post septmeber 11 comment has been a great way for the FBI and CIA et al to get around all those niggling civil rights and civil liberties issues? just how long have they been able to do this anyway...

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    1. Re:I dont get it at times by captain_craptacular · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It scares me almost to the point of not sleeping at night. I see it happening time and again and can't help thinking that once taken, civil liberties are never given back. I fear my generation will spend the second half of our lives in a constant battle attempting to bet back to where we were a year ago. People don't see the big picture, every civil liberty we lose is a win for a terrorism and a loss for us, we're losing the battle badly.

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    2. Re:I dont get it at times by bigbadwlf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No kidding.
      Check out this article.

      American citizen and suspected terrorist confederate, is arrested May 8 at O'Hare International Airport. He is held for a month in the criminal justice system, then transferred by presidential order to military custody for an indefinite period, not charged with any crime and cut off from contact with a lawyer.

      --snip--

      "Saying you can take an American citizen, arrested in the United States in a non-combat situation, far removed from a war zone, and lock him up indefinitely with no access to a trial and no access to a lawyer raises fairly chilling questions under the Bill of Rights," said Doug Cassel, director of the Center for International Human Rights at the Northwestern University School of Law.

      How does this happen in a "free" country?

  7. Forefathers's Quotes - They New.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    "There are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations."
    -- James Madison, speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 16, 1788

    "Those who would give up essential Liberty to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
    -- Ben Franklin, Respectfully Quoted, p. 201, Suzy Platt, Barnes & Noble, 1993

    These were found at http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/quote s/govt.html

    People who don't care about this since 9-11 are in trouble.

  8. Agreed by DiveX · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Go ahead and mark me as a troll or redundant, but I read this piece recently and feel it is relevant. I care not for karm but would just wish more people considered this.

    March 11, 2002

    I think the vast differences in compensation between the victims of the September 11th casualty, and those who die serving the
    country in uniform, are profound. No one is really talking about it either because you just don't criticize anything having to do with September 11th. Well, I just can't let the numbers pass by because it says something really disturbing about the entitlement mentality of this country.

    If you lost a family member in the September 11th attack, you're going to get an average of $1,185,000. The range is a minimum guarantee of $250,000, all the way up to $4.7 million. If you are a surviving family member of an American soldier killed in action, the first check you get is a $6,000 direct death benefit, half of
    which is taxable. Next, you get $1,750 for burial costs. If you are the surviving spouse, you get $833 a month until you remarry.
    And there's a payment of $211 per month for each child under 18. When the child hits 18, those payments come to a screeching halt. Keep in mind that some of the people that are getting an average of $1.185 million up to $4.7 million are complaining that it's not enough. We also learned over the weekend that some of the
    victims from the Oklahoma City bombing have started an organization asking for the same deal that the September 11th families are getting. In addition to that, some of the families of those bombed in the embassies are now asking for compensation as well.

    You see where this is going, don't you? Folks, this is part and parcel of over fifty years of entitlement politics in this country. It's just really sad. "Patriotism is not a short and renzied outburst of emotion but the tranquil and steady dedication of a lifetime." --Adlai E. Stevenson, Jr.

    Every time when a pay raise comes up for the military they usually receive next to nothing of a raise. Now the green machine is in combat in the Middle East while their families have to survive on food stamps and live in low rent housing. However our own U.S. Congress just voted themselves a raise, and many of you don't
    know that they only have to be in Congress one-time to receive a pension that is more than $15,000 per month and most are now equal
    to be millionaires plus. They also do not receive Social Security on retirement because they didn't have to pay into the system.
    If some of the military people stay in for 20 years and get out as an E-7 you may receive a pension of $1,000 per month, and the very people who placed you in harms way receive a pension of
    $15,000 per month. I would like to see our elected officials pick up a weapon and join ranks before they start cutting out benefits
    and lowering pay for our sons and daughters who are now fighting.

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