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New Communicators from Kyocera and HP
An anonymous reader submits: "Here are two links to articles about the new HP iPaqs and Kyocera's new Communicator .... Both are pretty sweet pieces of hardware."
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I have a Kyocera QCP-6035 "smartphone" (basically a PalmIII+cellphone) and based on my experience with it, i'd defintely buy another Kyocera "hybrid" device. The integration is incredible..when i'm using it as a phone, I forget it's a PDA. when i'm using it as a PDA, I forget it's a phone. Except for those occasions when it's *useful* that it's both (ie jotting down notes while on the phone). None of this "touch screen" buttons for dialing crap, my phone has a real keypad, etc.
The new 7135 looks like it continues this pattern.... that said, I got my Kyocera for $50 after rebates. I wouldn't be inclined to be an early adopter on a device like this (6035s started around $500-800)
3 of the first posts have been made by ACs.
How do you like them apples? I got her number, and the ACs got the first posts!!
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I guess they didn't like the name iP (freely)
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More irritating fluff from timothy. At least it's not a duplicate story.
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When things like this are out, why would anyone buy a Palm? The only thing Palm devices have is power consumption, but how hard it is to stick the device on a charger once every 3-4 days. Hell, I have to recharge my cell phone every day, so that's a pretty weak excuse.
I have a iPaq 3650 w/ microdrive and expansion adapter, but it looks like I am going to finally have to upgrade to the 3900 series. I don't think she is going to be happy ... :-(
Anyone know if the CF/PCMCIA adaptor sleeve is still used, or is the SD built in (and I have to get new cards - boo, hiss!)
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A friend has one of these. As mentioned in the article, these are a lot easier to read (at the expense of battery life) and also quite a bit faster than the 3800 series. He's trying to figure out how to hack Linux into it to no avail, but Microsoft's operating system WinCE seems to work nicely for what he needs it for. It looks kind of pricey though, and personally I'd go for a Palm Pilot.
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Well I hope their new line of communicator devices work better than some of their most recent offerings in the world of Laser Printers.. their old 1550's and 1700's used to work like a charm, but the newer budget 1000 series and the update of the 1700 known as the 1750 gave me nothing but trouble. Random dropped communications from the computer, print jobs vanishing, and paper jams.
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Now don't get me wrong, I know a good number of Black people and they're perfectly great humans. But their fucking monkey nigger cousins are something else.
I was in Revere/Winthrop this past weekend and while walking down the long strip of sidewalk and beach from Revere to Winthrop, I smelled something horrible. Terrible. 15 feet in back of me was a family of niggers. This coon collection consisted of a fat negress, aprox. age 25. A homeboy nigger (presumably the father of at least 1 of the 5 children), aprox. age 25. Five children of various ages ranging from aprox. 8 months to 7 years. They fucking reeked like a garbage dump.
I couldn't understand what words their fat lips were trying to form, but I think I heard "fried chicken", "nigga", and "adidas" somewhere in their conversation.
The smell got so bad that I had to cross but unfortunately some of their stench lingered on my clothes and I was forced to go home smelling like ass. There is a lesson to be learned here : niggers are teh smelly.
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I have the Samsung I300 Smartphone - color palm + phone. Like the Kyocera 6035, it's already obsolete. But, I love it.
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Interesting enough, while Samsung is about to release a new smartphone (the I330) that is much like the I300, they have an even newer palm/phone coming out later that is a flip phone like the new Kyocera. Pics here
http://www.pconline.com.cn/digital/textlib/mobile
and here
http://www.mobilmania.cz/Mobilnitelefony/Ar.asp?A
Combine that sweeeeet network with one of the Sony Ericsson phone, and you'll be able to post cheesy comment on Slashdot while stuck in traffice.
is it possible they are finally catching a clue? from kyocera's man Goetter:
"Voice is still the killer application, and our device has been tailored for voice first," Goetter said. The gadget's design is more like
that of a phone than a PDA. It's foldable and has a keypad, and its size is phonelike too. It measures 3.97 inches by 2.43 inches by 1.17 inches and weighs 6.6 ounces.
"Other (similar devices) are very much PDAs first. We're coming at it from a phone-centric standpoint," Goetter said.
exactly. i'm not carrying two clunky devices (cell phone and PDA), but one of those devices is more important (cell phone). maybe when i'm tired of my nokia i'll check out this one, after the price drops a bit next year.
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http://www.voicestream.com/pocketpc/default.asp
PocketPC and Cellphone combined. Nothing against Palm, but I an TS into my windoze boxes remotely using the Terminal Services for CE client along with our VPN client which is also ported to WinCE.
Live web cams
I hate PDA cellphone combo devices, but I have to say the scratchpad looks like it's in a nice spot. I don't know how easy it really is to use the touchpad, seeing how the screen is above the hinge, but the overall design is (to the best of my knowledge) the first phone designed like this.
The scratch-pad may be more "ergonomic" to use than a real PDA!
The basic design looks nice. It runs PalmOS too. I may have to find one of these at a store to play with. To bad no direct connect (Nextel), otherwise this phone would be really worth my checking into.
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I know that HP owns Compaq, but you'd think that they would at least put the HP label on the old Compaq line. More to the point, get the Compaq label off if you're going to call it an HP device.
Of course, they could just use their new stock symbol. Though, come to think of it that would just look wierd.
HPQ IPAQ
There just aren't enough vowels in there.
I just got a new Kyocera three days ago, and I'll tell ya what, its got the best sound of any cell phone I have ever heard, and the interface is a breeze.
I would highly recommend one, they are much cheaper than many of the other phones out there, and they seem to be better.
I am very happy to see they are getting their PDA phones out. My phone isn't a total PDA conversion, its more of a hybrid with a web browser and 56 k connection, but its still very usefull and I am very happy to have one.
--those are my two cents anyways
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Who wants to spend $400 on something like this, get a laptop if you want to be able to do something. If you don't have the money get a pencil and a notepad. Please pick a new article theme, handhelds are getting quite old.
Now, if they had an optional hard drive (any Secure Digital hard drives exist yet?), the Kyocera would be very close my ideal PDA/phone/mp3 player.
Maybe they could make one with a Compact Flash slot so I could use one of those IBM CF hard drives...
Mmmm. A gig of mp3's in a cellphone...mmmm...
These are pretty cool, just because of the "holy shit that's a little phone + PDA in one" factor. But, really, the market for these is limited, and shrinking fast.
These were the Next Big Thing during the www.dot.com boom, when everyone wanted as many things clipped to their belts as possible. Nowadays, a more sobering economic client has made all those technophiles look more than a little bit...goofy.
Yes, phones are useful. And it's nice to be able to store a phone number or ten. But 16MB of memory and a web browser? Video, for heaven's sake? No one needs this. Hell, no one even wants this.
All anyone is looking for in a cell phone is small size, good battery life, a strong signal, capacity for storing maybe 20 numbers, and mp3 playing. The rest is just nerd candy, stupid features that basically no one will pay for. These companies need to hone their market research skills, or they will go the way of the Amiga.
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I've heard that the move from 200 to 400 MHz on these devices has barely changed noticable speed, while adding a good $200 to the pricetag.
I'll wait for reviews to cement the decision, but I'll probably be going with an older, not that much slower, 200 MHz device.
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Hope they did something about the battery, for erlier versions of the IPAQ they didn't last long. More MHz and capabilities = more power consumption.
Sensual Star Wars babe Natalie Portman has feelings for other women. The stunning actress who plays Senator Amildala in Attack Of The Clones announced that, although she has never explored her lesbian fantasies, she would not rule it out. The sexy stunner, who once dated Moby, claimed that although her personality is more compatible with men she wouldn't want to close herself off to girl only action. She says, "I've never dated a woman or anything like it. But I think it's much more the person that you fall in love with and why would you close yourself off to 50-per-cent of people?"
I knew Kyocera must be up to something. The 6035 is going for only $99. Probably something to do with the Treo...
So I ordered the keyboard and USB cable, (the Keyspan USB adapter
having mysteriously dropped support for the phone's data mode after an upgrade--
or I dropped the components one too many times)
and I'm left to wonder: will the gozintas and gozoutas of this new unit be compatible?
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Is that they finally transposed the iPaq and Pocket PC logos. I have been waiting for months for somone at Hewlettcompaqard to pull their head out of their ass and fix this. Finally!! I'm off to BestBuy.
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Article:
"The 7135 features a color screen, Global Positioning System technology, a Secure Digital expansion slot with input and output capabilities, and a built-in digital audio player. The device comes with 16MB of memory and runs version 4.1 of Palm's operating system."
That's all well and good (and, based on the picture, a hell of a lot sexier than the Treo's that are running around my office now), but what they need to fix (before adding all the bells and whistles) is the fact that I can't drive from work to home and talk to my brother on the phone for 30 minutes without getting dropped during the handoff between cell towers.
They also need to fix their "nationwide coverage" that doesn't include some key semi-rural areas (I checked - they're in the US) where I go on analog roam, spilling dollars a minute down my phone.
I'm not saying an integrated GPS-PDA-MP3-Web browser-Phone is a bad idea. I think its yet another cool geek toy.
But for god's sake, take some of that R&D money and BUILD SOME MORE TOWERS!
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Okay, so I'll admit that I have been drooling over the 6035 smartphone for some time now. And I've been toying with upgrading my current phone, especially since Qwest appears to have an "unlimited data for $10/month" deal. However, I just went to check out the Qwest webpage and the 6035 is gone. And, since the 7135 is not out for a bit yet, there is a definite gap in their product line. Did Kyocera discontinue the 6035 (still on their webpage) or is this simply Qwest (or Qwest's webpage, since doing a search on www.qwestwi reless.com still finds some 6035 literature pages) issue? Is there anything like a firm date on the 7135 being released (other that Q4)? Is there any indication of whether Qwest will be using the 7135? Why is the sky blue? (Yes, I am asking questions that there are probably not answers to. Shame on me.)
So, as I said elsewhere, I have been drooling over the idea of a smartphone for some time. "Why?" you may ask. Because when I go into a store looking for something, it is nice to be able to supplement my research on the spot by checking out prices, model specs, etc while I am standing there wondering what the difference between an 1120cs and an 1120ci is. Because sometimes I want to be able to get a map/directions that I didn't know I would need the last time I synched my Handspring. Because I want to check the movie times on a whim (especially when I don't happen to have the theater's phone number and don't want to pay for directory assistance - yes, data service costs more, but if I already have it paid for, why not use it). The only real reason that I haven't picked up a 6035 is because I have been waiting for the new 2.5/3G rollout and didn't want to be picking up something that was going to be upgraded so soon. $500? I don't know. Maybe an early Christmas present to myself. Would I use it $500-worth? I don't know. I do know that my current phone just frustrates me with the lack of Internet awareness and carrying that + my Handspring is not as nice as carrying just 1 uber-device.
Goodness knows how many people Compaq fooled into buying their iPaq handhelds because of the promise of the Familiar Linux port [ http://www.handhelds.org ], but I don't see them delivering any time soon.
Goodness knows how many Linux devotees paid the M$ tax in their rush to try familiar and it still seems as far away as ever from a commercial release.
I know that a number of other people are in the same boat, and with funds and budgets being tighter, people don't feel like they have money to burn on just getting the fastest-newest-fanciest. What does that mean for the ability of manufacturers to develop new products? I'm not really sure, but I do think that a lot of manufacturers are going to feel some pain for a while still.
No one wants MP3 in their phone. How are you going to listen to music and answer the phone? No siree, we are much better off with pda+phone integration, why should we store information in one gadget, talk into another?
My point is, don't apply YOUR preferences upon anyone, just because you don't want this, it doesn't mean that no one wants this.
J.
Fully Palm OS and conduit compatible -- which makes Evolution the ultimate PIM for and any Palm program executable on this thing. Complete, Hayes AT compatible external 14.4K Fax+Modem using the serial port for portable surfing. Other usability sweetness like the Palm IR, jog dial when in phone mode, etc... One address book, one date book, one thing for everything!
Kyocera knows its market. I hope the new 7135 is still usable as an external modem. That might not be the case if its USB-based (at least not for Linux).
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They might be sweet machines, but the iPaq H3900s are reported to run very hot when used for longer than a two hour session. I don't want something in my hand if it's going to hurt to use it after a while!
The complete spec from the Kyocera web site.
when did chipmakers start naming models after anime characters???
You losers! ipaq's suck, get yourself a Zaurus today!
if only blue tooth had decent range
imagine the ipaq with an 802.11b card and a barcode scanner
lets assume this costs you $2,000 for this on the high end, your still beating out hand held computers in the retail buisness, aka telxon symbol etc etc
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I want a pad with VNC burned into ROM....so I can display my desktop from anywhere and interract with it using just a pen!
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Is no-one worried that the clickthrough ad on the news.com page says:
"Microsoft and Unisys offer you an alternative to UNIX"
?????
And I thought this was slashdot!
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"The Clie PEG-T665C comes with a Memory Stick slot and Motorola's 66MHz Dragonball Super VZ."
Isn't that a video game?
1. how fast does it crunch rc5?
2. imagine a b......
PDA now gets faster and faster and with so many people carrying lots of CPU cycles around, any interesting projects other than dnet and SETI?
I am EXTREMELY happy with miine and I the only thing I wish was better integrated would be the ability to record voice memos while on the phone; i.e. record a phone call.
The integration is damn near perfect. It acts like a phone when the lid is closed and acts like a PDA when the lid is open.
Great phone. I wonder what phone you have. If you don't like it that is fine. I just wonder how more integrated it could be.
The article is right, the wireless device market for the existing overpriced wireless infrastrucutre is probably already saturated and now every "ODM" in Taiwan is about to bomb the market with more of these overpriced toys, prepare for fallout.
What a case of setting themselves up. Reminds me of a time I went to a gangster down New Year's party and started chatting about how my dad was a Jr. High teacher from the hood. Some of the nice fellas there recalled dear Dad quite readily and apparently harbored some resentment. Smack, bang crash! It was mere luck that I made it out alive. I think the only thing that saved me was they were afraid to get any more blood on themselves.
Looking back I realize I set myself up for that in a big way. My expectations were unrealistic. Dad is like a cop and those guys didn't like cops. These handheld nuts are making the same mistake I did. --Oh this market looks tough, but if we act cute and have lots of enthusiasm we'll be okay.
Pap, pap, pap.
Instead of red blood, they'll be oozing market capitalization and laying off employees by the hundreds. Well, if they're as lucky as me they'll live through it. But I'm not kidding myself, it was just luck. Could have went the other way just as easily. Props to all the soon-to-be-dead handheld homies.
A while back Don Henley created an album called Building the Perfect Beast His first solo album it surprised many with tracks like Sunset Grill All She Wants To Do Is Dance my favorite Driving With Your Eyes Closed and Jon Katzs favorite Boys of Summer I was listening to this album on illegallyripped MP3s while reading the Slashdot trolls and started brainstorming what would make the perfect troll This article serves as a directed introduction to building the perfect trollFirst we need to define trolling This is harder than it sounds because everyone has their own definition of a troll or better their own definition of a good troll I am going to use multiple definitions to create a very broad ideal of the term troll Any post that meets ONE of the definitions below is considered a trolla A message widely regarded as an annoyanceb A message which insults the editors with no regard to meritc A message which flames another user for their viewsd Any message which is designed to enrage the standard slashdot userFor the purposes of this post a good troll is one that spawns many angry responses There are other sides of trolling such as crapflooding which do not generate any responses usually These sorts of trolls are out of the scope of this articleThere are 6 dimensions of a good troll annoyance arguability subtlety topicality logicality and permeance By NO means should a good troll use only one dimension although some dimensions are inherently contradictory using as many as possible will result in a good trollAnnoyanceThis is the allstar of the troll spectrum Racial comments page wideninglengthing misinformation deragatory comments etc all are considered an annoyance But be careful The common pitfall is the annoyance is used to frequently and too loudly Subtlety is a necessity if you are going to use this with any sort of success read more about this below Here are some examples of good and bad annoyancesBad You stupid fucking nigger Im going to kick your faggot ass if I ever see you you shitface cocksucking animal This will be modded down immediately and will probably not be responded to This message will largely be ignored thus limiting the troll affectPosting factual inaccuracies is great when combined with annoyance the Slashdots will fall over themselves correcting your every moveGood Its posts like these that question the education system of America If you were paying any attention at school you would know that the South won the Civil War because of their views no slavery It was Abraham Lincolns last stand at Gettysburg that caused Slavery to go awayMaking references to your education as proof that you are right is excellent especially when in your troll you make it obvious that you dont have anyBad I studied this topic in great depth when writing my PhD thesis at MIT As it turns out the limiting factor of sorting function with completely randomized data Good Oh I took a class about this at the DeVry Institute According to the reseptionist notice intentionally bad spelling the integral of ex2 is ex so its got to be rightArguabilityPosts such as You fucking faggot Im going to kill you has no element of arguability You want to post a view in an inflammatory way that will incite a great argument There is a right way and a wrong way to doing this Usually if you are outright cursing at the poster or editor its the wrong wayExamplesBad You worthless piece of horseshit Your views are wrong jackassGood This study post link to mostly irrelevant and offtopic study indicates there is a strong correlation between deviance and Linux usersDrawing illogical conclusions based on incorrect statements is a great way to instate a nerd riot ExampleGood When ESR said that Windows is losing clientelle he used intentionally bad grammar which is inherent proof that his ideals are flawedPermeanceQuestion If a troll posts a troll and no one reads it is it still a troll Answer NoA troll can only have so much longevity I call this principle permeance Permeance is judged by the number of people who will see and read a post and to a lesser extent respond to it Good formatting grammar and spelling all contribute to a posts permeance but the real factor is contentMost of you spend a lot of time reading at 1 presumably so you will know that a fair amount of racist and antisemetic comments are posted Most Slashdot users will not see these because they are at 1 klercks PLP and PWP are ultimately a failure because few see themTo maximize permeance you have to 1 Sound like you now what you are talking about 2 Sound like you have a stake in your point of view maening you care about what you think and 3 Express it without homophobia any sort of racism and discrimination You will see that trolls at 1 and even 2 use this principle You will see that trolls at 0 and 1 do not use this principle This brings us toFirst Fundamental Theorem of Trolling Anonymous Cowards by definition rarely succeed in posting a good trollSecond Fundamental Theorem of Trolling If an AC succeeds in a good troll it would even be better if it were posted at 1 or 2 by default SubtletyCertain posts SCREAM This is a troll Please ignore it These are not successful trolls As a troll your every urge is to scream YOU FUCKING FAGGOT HOW CAN YOU THINK THE WAY YOU DO to the Slashbot homos Resist this at every cost You need to diplomatically insult them Its hard I know but it will result in success GOOD PHRASESYou should know by now that Havent you learned anything from eventWhat a stereotypical viewWas this post sarcasticI cant believe the level of ignorance of that point of viewTopicalityThis is a nobrainer and therefore Im not going to spend much time discussing it Why do you think BSD is Dying trolls rarely get responses when they are posted under one of Jon Katzs articlesLogicalityDid I make that word up Probably But its principle is still important use every logical fallacy that you know of when writing trolls Jump to illogical conclusions Misquote or misrepresent parents posts when responding Make references to studies linking them to a 404 not found page You get the idea This one isnt hard to introduce but its wildly successful in getting Slashcock responsesThis is a brief introduction to the good trolling Soon I will post an article about combining dimensions and look at some good and bad trolls in the past
It makes you wonder if there was really as much interest in keeping track of time as there are handheld PC's and advertizements for handheld PC's.
Now make one of these babies with GPRS support and I'll pick one up... Oh and BTW it doesn't have GPS! Do you see a huge antenna on it? Nope... Plus if you read the fine print it says something about requiring carrier support. I guess this means The Man knows where you are anyway by triangulation and they'll likely sell that information back to you. Why doesn't someone make an 802.11 phone and bounce voicemail from phone to phone? No carrier required...