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GNOME 2.0 Released
MAXOMENOS writes "The GNOME team has announced the release of GNOME 2.0. You can get more information about the GNOME 2.0 system here." Congratulations to everyone involved. Use the mirrors...
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Cripes, already slashdotted. You bastards!
Carousel is a lie!
For the lazy, here are the Screenshots.
Great work to everyone who helped with this. Gnome2 is amazing.
--Ben
Thank god :)
IAAL,BIANLY
I don't know what the submitter/editor was thinking on the Linux Is Dead article, because if you were one of the four people who actually read the article, it said no such thing. (In fact, quite the opposite.)
But yes, this, KDE, Moz, and the ever-improving stability of the 2.4 kernel are quite forceful rebuttals of (real) Linux is Dead claims.
If only BeOS had had the kind of community support that Linux enjoys.
In Capitalist America, bank robs you!
Gnome2, Mozilla 1.0, Neverwinter Nights..... Damn cold in hell, is amazon turning a profit?
Duke Nukem Forever and Doom 3 just need to come out, and as a nice touch it would be cool if Star Control 2 would be re-released for Linux, Mac, and windows.... oh wait it is, hell is damn cold.
Now time to watch my karma go down the drain, but at least this time I was *less* offtopic.
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
Gnomes are hard working little creatures. They are sworn enemies of the Troll race, and it their duty to kill all Trolls upon sight.
Gnomes work hard, fast, and well. What they create not only shows pure power and eliteness, but also their artistic integrity.
KDE on the other hand stands for K00l D3mon1c E133t. The KDE tribe are the "script-kiddies", the "hacks", in the Lunix Empire. They try to look good, and that is their only objective. While they do succeed on some fronts, they fail miserably on others.
All in all, the KDE's are the George Bush's, wheras the Gnomes are the Alfred Hoffmans.
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That said, it's just a joke, both are truly kickass, but, IMHO, I prefer Gnome (although recently moving to Fluxbox)....
Incause some people out there are running the "experimental" metacity WM, here is configuration tool I wrote that is much nicer to use than the command line.
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http://plastercast.tzo.com/~plastercast/Project
I've been kinda following the Gnome2 prereleases, and it's nice. Glad to hear about the save dialog bugfix.
But some others:
1) The old volume control applet was way nicer than the current one, any possibility of it coming back?
2) I know the Gnome2 applet API is not backwards compatible to the old one. How hard would it be to port a Gnome1 applet to a Gnome2 applet, and when will some docs appear? (Specifically looking into porting the Gaim applet, and some others I can't use anymore)
I think that's it for now...
besides that, good f*g job!
http://www.se.gnome.org/conspiracy/
Opinions expressed above are mine, and not my employees'.
deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ ../project/experiment al main
How about this one, from a long time KDE supporter?
All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream.
that's odd
I use kde2 stuff all the time and I use enlightenment
konqueror works just fine
is kde3 different in this respect?
There are places where the networks are not touching,and there are places where they are-Boeing's Lori Gunter
" hold a claw hammer backwards in your outstretched arms and pull your hands toward your face as fast as you can."
Ok, so I misunderstood you, and called you a dumb-ass, but dude, that was graphic! Couldn't you just have laughed at me for being a dumb-ass and left it at that?
graspee
Everybody knows that software is like bread and Gnome 2.0 is BRAND new. So it's much fresher than KDE3.0.
KDE3.0 has been out for months - surely it is getting stale by now!
Perhaps I'm just missing some things, but I can't find:
1) The window manager switcher (I don't want Sawfish)
2) A lot of the cool panel applets from 1.4 (clock)
3) A way to save a session and have it remember window positions (it'll start programs that were "saved", but they all default to the middle of the desktop)
Can anyone fill me in? Thanks.
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The guy who's porting SC2 to linux is my buddy chris nelson. I feel especially cool because i'm the one who installed debian unstable on his laptop (toshiba something or other -- stupid not-quite-eepro100 NICs...) and got him into SDL (that took A LOT of pushing)
:)
he was already a brilliant OpenGL programmer (luminescent is his handle on sf.net... he has some cool stuff there) but only delt with windows.
so.. if you like SC2 for linux... thank him, but thank me for getting him into linux too
(oh. to his credit.. he only started using linux and SDL a year ago... and loved enlightenment so much that he's stuck to it.. hehe)
What comes first, finding a teacher or becoming a student?
This question will always be a matter of personal preference, and the ultimate answer is, "Install them both and see which one you like best!"
;-)
:-)
;-) The tradeoff is that you might not like the default that's been picked, but I've really found that I haven't missed anything so far. There are a few features I'd like to see (re)added, like the system tray, but that's coming very soon in a future release.
But you've heard that already, and it's not what you were looking for.
What you really wanted was Gnome's advantages over KDE. For me, it comes down to a few things...
1) Seems speedier on my 400mhz workstation. This is subjective, but I think it's pretty apparent. YMMV! On faster machines, this is less of an issue, but I don't have a faster machine, so it is a big deal to me.
2) Application "consistency": I personally find Galeon, Evo, and Gnumeric superior to Konquoror, KMail, and Koffice's spreadsheet, so having those former apps match my desktop is nice. While you can run Gnome/GTK apps in KDE, and vice-versa, having your themes between your desktop and Galeon, Evolution, Gnumeric, etc, is really cool.
3) This is the real kicker for me: Gnome 2 is, IMHO, much easier to configure and work with, and is far more intuitive. One of the Gnome 2 philosophies is that things should "just work", and use intelligent default settings wherever possible, instead of offering "6 equally broken ways to do it, and let[ing] the user pick one."* This means that while Gnome is still configurable, you don't have to wade through a nearly endless sea of preference options just to find that one button you were looking for. *cough*Kontrol center*cough*
* thanks to Havoc Pennington for the great quote.
Once again, though, the only way to decide is to try for yourself.
Happy GNOMEing!
The Free desktop that Just Works
Gnome 2.0 and KDE 3 seem fine on recent machines with enough memory. (Howz that for vague?) But we have a lab with a bunch of 5 year old machines and 32 mb or ram. We *have* to use icewm on them. It is possible to get gnome running on them but kde just plain won't run on them.
If you've got a recent machine there isn't much difference between the two, except that kde has some different features which are kind of nice. If you do not have a big machine then gnome is much nicer to work on. If you've got an old beater, then your best bet is icewm.
If it weren't for ice we would not have a back door for installing linux. Our argument to the money holders is that linux lets us use older machines and still be efficient. We can't do that with these "modern" window managers. The code bloat has just plain gotten out of hand. Thank goodness for ice! It allows us to sneak linux in the back door which then permeates the system!
Personally I think the biggest advantage to GNOME is that you can choose your window manager.
FUD, FUD, FUD, no go away!
GNOME will use any window manager, but prefers those that are GNOME compliant. KDE will use any window manager, but prefers those that are GNOME compliant. The fact that KDE ships with its own window manager is about as irrelevant as the fact that GNOME does as well.
A Government Is a Body of People, Usually Notably Ungoverned
Note: nearly all of my responses to you will be directly influenced by this document. I personally consider it a must read for anyone interested in Free/OSS desktops.
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Additionally, I really dislike what has happened with gnome 2 in configurability. Making intelligent defaults is all fine and good, but when you can't get it how you want, frustration ensues.
Understandable. As it says in the above link, if you feel that the behavior of a particular program is frustrating, file a bug either suggesting a change to the behavior, or, if it really really must be, requesting a preference to change the behavior. Either way, have a logical arguement ready, though - please be aware that "But I've always done it this way!" probably won't fly. If something is broken, but familiar, it's still broken. Sometimes it's really worth the small pain of learning to change your user habits. Of course, other times, the developers are wrong, and need your help in straigtening it out!
Another example is that in metacity, clicking anywhere on a window raises it.
Read the Metacity README file! This is one of Metacity's precious few user options. If you really want a GUI instead of using GConf to change this stuff, check out Metacity Setup - it's a seperate project from Metacity proper, but it's becoming quite nice!
(incidently, sloppy focus really is total crack, as Havoc also says in the README, but he's letting it slide anyhow *because* of the fact that it's so very useful. The "weight" of the preference is justified in this case. Again, the README is highly informative on this subject.)
Additionally, at least for now, sawfish doesn't even have the infrastructure to bind keys to switching to workspaces in a 2d sense (I can move left or right, but not up or down)
See the release notes: http://www.gnome.org/start/2.0/errors.html#id2829
My vote still lies in configurability, and my hope is I don't have to turn to enlightenment to get it.
Well, if you can put up with E's serious bloat, stability, and consistency issues, (that I've always had with E - maybe it's different for you) in exchange for maniacal control over your WM, be my guest. My guess is you'll probably go back to Gnome or KDE after only a few days.
(My apologies to E users and developers, but my experiences with it have been *terrible*...)
The Free desktop that Just Works
Star Control 2 for: Linux, OSX, and Windows
Why isn't this a full Slashdot news article?
Checket out, it makes installing/testing Gnome 2.0 very easy and will not affect your Gnome 1.4 installation (it installs to ~/garnome/)
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