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GNOME 2.0 Released
MAXOMENOS writes "The GNOME team has announced the release of GNOME 2.0. You can get more information about the GNOME 2.0 system here." Congratulations to everyone involved. Use the mirrors...
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Cripes, already slashdotted. You bastards!
Carousel is a lie!
Good work everyone! I've been using gnome2 from cvs for some time now, and I am impressed with, and greatful for, all of your work. It is an excelent desktop, and one that no longer makes linux seem a compromise.
For the lazy, here are the Screenshots.
Great work to everyone who helped with this. Gnome2 is amazing.
--Ben
What's next, Duke Nukem Forever?
Je t'aime Stéphanie
Situation: I am browsing the web in Galeon, editting an image in Gimp, or doing something else in some Gnome application.
Now, I decide to save a document. I go to the File menu and select Save..., and am presented with the familiar "save" dialog. The default or current filename is in the text box at the bottom, and the directory navigation boxes are above.
Suppose further that I want to now save the file in a different directory. So I select a new directory, and the filename disappears.
Has this been fixed in 2.0?
Karma: Good (despite my invention of the Karma: sig)
What advantages does gnome have? Why would i go with it over KDE 3?
Just a question, not for the sake of argument. i'm a linux desktop newbie.
- tristan
Thank god :)
IAAL,BIANLY
Okay, Theme People, get busy! :)
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... and while you're at it, come up with a way to make GTK1 and GTK2 themes match
... and since KDE can import GTK themes, make those match as well
:)
Napster-to-go says "Fill and refill your compatible MP3 player", which is a lie. It's not MP3. It's WMA with DRM.
I don't know what the submitter/editor was thinking on the Linux Is Dead article, because if you were one of the four people who actually read the article, it said no such thing. (In fact, quite the opposite.)
But yes, this, KDE, Moz, and the ever-improving stability of the 2.4 kernel are quite forceful rebuttals of (real) Linux is Dead claims.
If only BeOS had had the kind of community support that Linux enjoys.
In Capitalist America, bank robs you!
Gnome2, Mozilla 1.0, Neverwinter Nights..... Damn cold in hell, is amazon turning a profit?
Duke Nukem Forever and Doom 3 just need to come out, and as a nice touch it would be cool if Star Control 2 would be re-released for Linux, Mac, and windows.... oh wait it is, hell is damn cold.
Now time to watch my karma go down the drain, but at least this time I was *less* offtopic.
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
I am using the packages from Debian's experimental archive, and they are very usable. GTK+ 2 has many improvements. I love the uncluttered new panels, the simplified control panels. Nautilus is as good as ever :) There are still many bugs in GNOME 2.0, but I suggest that people should not be shy about trying it.
Gnomes are hard working little creatures. They are sworn enemies of the Troll race, and it their duty to kill all Trolls upon sight.
Gnomes work hard, fast, and well. What they create not only shows pure power and eliteness, but also their artistic integrity.
KDE on the other hand stands for K00l D3mon1c E133t. The KDE tribe are the "script-kiddies", the "hacks", in the Lunix Empire. They try to look good, and that is their only objective. While they do succeed on some fronts, they fail miserably on others.
All in all, the KDE's are the George Bush's, wheras the Gnomes are the Alfred Hoffmans.
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That said, it's just a joke, both are truly kickass, but, IMHO, I prefer Gnome (although recently moving to Fluxbox)....
Incause some people out there are running the "experimental" metacity WM, here is configuration tool I wrote that is much nicer to use than the command line.
s /
http://plastercast.tzo.com/~plastercast/Project
enterprise porn. Sure with Linux you can view jpgs and even the occasional animated gif. But Linux's support for high-end AVIs and and quicktime codecs is sadly lacking.
I've been kinda following the Gnome2 prereleases, and it's nice. Glad to hear about the save dialog bugfix.
But some others:
1) The old volume control applet was way nicer than the current one, any possibility of it coming back?
2) I know the Gnome2 applet API is not backwards compatible to the old one. How hard would it be to port a Gnome1 applet to a Gnome2 applet, and when will some docs appear? (Specifically looking into porting the Gaim applet, and some others I can't use anymore)
I think that's it for now...
besides that, good f*g job!
http://www.se.gnome.org/conspiracy/
Opinions expressed above are mine, and not my employees'.
I watch the thrashing that goes on on kde-artist everytime somebody makes an icon that looks similar to OSX (normally) or Windows.
The "home" icon in Gnome takes liberties on OSX, as does the terminal, and the process viewer. Hell, one of the screenshots features a straight rip-off of the OSX "Internet" globe.
I'm a little puzzled.
MJC
How about this one, from a long time KDE supporter?
All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream.
Everybody knows that software is like bread and Gnome 2.0 is BRAND new. So it's much fresher than KDE3.0.
KDE3.0 has been out for months - surely it is getting stale by now!
Perhaps I'm just missing some things, but I can't find:
1) The window manager switcher (I don't want Sawfish)
2) A lot of the cool panel applets from 1.4 (clock)
3) A way to save a session and have it remember window positions (it'll start programs that were "saved", but they all default to the middle of the desktop)
Can anyone fill me in? Thanks.
--- witty signature
The guy who's porting SC2 to linux is my buddy chris nelson. I feel especially cool because i'm the one who installed debian unstable on his laptop (toshiba something or other -- stupid not-quite-eepro100 NICs...) and got him into SDL (that took A LOT of pushing)
:)
he was already a brilliant OpenGL programmer (luminescent is his handle on sf.net... he has some cool stuff there) but only delt with windows.
so.. if you like SC2 for linux... thank him, but thank me for getting him into linux too
(oh. to his credit.. he only started using linux and SDL a year ago... and loved enlightenment so much that he's stuck to it.. hehe)
What comes first, finding a teacher or becoming a student?
Just figured out every last thing I could about RC2 and now this. Thank you to everyone who made this possible!
And off I go to "emerge gnome" (thanks gentoo)....
:-)
Eddy.WriteLinux.Com
Does this mean gnome-panel won't crash on half the machines it's installed on any more?
I'm just about ready to leave Redhat over this one. If only KDE weren't such a memory hawg.
grab that amazing script from
http://www.fh-wilhelmshaven.de/~akcaagaa/
it builds you gnome 2.0.0 from tarballs
1) grab that script
2) change PREFIXDIR="" to point to a location you want to install gnome 2.0.0
3) enter 'world' for CVS build or 'world stable' for gnome 2.0.0 released tarball build.
4) grab popcorn, coke or get out for a fuck no matter what, lay back and enjoy the show.
you dont need to manually download tarballs or something.. all automatically...
What would be even better is a miniature nautilus window for the open / save dialog. I mean, you already have nautilus, why reinvent the wheel with a different open/save dialog box? Using Nautilus would add consistency and functionality. Taking this a step further, "panels" could be used as application toolbars, such that the user can add or remove "applets" (which would be funcitons in the program) to his toolbars to customize them however he likes. Again this would be reusing components. I have submitted these suggestions to both gnome and kde but both did not like them :(
Got friends?
Sorry mods, the guy is RIGHT!
Star Control 2 ports are FAR more important than Gnome 2.0. Star Control was changing lives before Gnome had even been heard of. This is the news of the century!
So use Metacity for your window manager and Scalable Gorilla for Nautilus. The former can use just XML files for describing a theme in a vector format, and the latter uses SVG for all icons, etc, so it scales up and down flawlessly. As for GTK, there are plenty of fine themes that scale well.
;-)
I do agree, though, that I should NOT have to learn how to hack this stuff just to learn to theme. I hope to god someone makes Metacity and GTK theming programs, or we'll never get the same quality themes as Windowblinds, etc.
I'd do it myself, but my codefoo is nonexistant.
The Free desktop that Just Works
Hi,
.0 launch is means that this is an upgrade to the developer platform. This effectively covers the underlying libraries and core setup such as the panel. The idea is that new technology will support the user visible development for years to come.
You're absolutely right!
This release is a
Originally it was thought there would be very few user visible changes but you can't keep a good Free Software developer down and there are actually loads of improvements! I think if you give GNOME 2.0 a go you will see that there are lots of usability improvements - new clearer icons, better dialogs, more straightforward configuration and more.
The future for GNOME is 2.0.1 and then 2.2.0. These are reserved for application porting and user visible improvements. So you should see lots more goodies in the future.
If you have a moment do give 2.0 a try out - particularly after your distribution has caught up, or use ximian GNOME (www.ximian.com). I think you'll find that the reality is even better than the new reports!
Good Luck,
Steve
I must object. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I found gnome 2 much harder to configure. The worst is the endless windows registry type settings in GConf (even with the GConf editor.) I tend to want to change things per application, and finding the specific option is nearly impossible under this scheme.
Additionally, I really dislike what has happened with gnome 2 in configurability. Making intelligent defaults is all fine and good, but when you can't get it how you want, frustration ensues. The reason I never used KDE was precisely this lack of configurability. I have heard this same comment from many people and I predict that an outcry of configurability problems will happen.
As an example, there are no virtual desktops in gnome 2, and neither metacity nor sawfish 2 add them. I realize there are only subtle differences, but there are many people who use those differences. Additionally, at least for now, sawfish doesn't even have the infrastructure to bind keys to switching to workspaces in a 2d sense (I can move left or right, but not up or down) Another example is that in metacity, clicking anywhere on a window raises it. This is terrible for me. One of the biggest reasons I use sloppy focus is so that I can have overlapping windows and cut and paste from the window underneath. This is especially useful with overlapping terminals that tend to be smaller and thus just disappear when the larger window raises. According to Havoc, most of these options (unless he uses them) are just "crack-rock." So don't use metacity right? Well, unfortuanately there isn't anything else that fits the bill right now, perhaps sawfish will get back to its usual self -- dunno. And to those who say, "make your own then, that is what open source is all about," I query, "Are you the same folks who wonder why we can't quit duplicating effort?"
My vote still lies in configurability, and my hope is I don't have to turn to enlightenment to get it.
Guess what? I got a fever! And the only prescription.. is more cowbell!
killall metacity; sawfish&
That said, Metacity is working correctly for me. I'm not sure why it's behaving how you describe, but it's great when it works.
--Ben
From the antialiasing in those screenshots, doesn't it look like the fonts could use some adjusting? Some lines look thinner than others. Doesn't look like a problem from the antialiasing code, but rather from the font data itself.
I hope they gave more attention to product stability than to new features. My only difficulty with gnome is that it has tons of irritating bugs and regularly causes X crashes.
Oddly, my linux/gnome box is dramatically less reliable than my Win2000 box. Win2000 is a vast improvement over previous MS operating systems. The linux _kernel_ may be far more reliable, but the desktop certainly is not. It's embarrassing to suck more than Microsoft.
I sometimes get the feeling that the gnome crowd pays too much attention to screenshots, eye candy, themes, and pointless customizability. The vast majority of people want a desktop that just works, ALWAYS. Perhaps gnome 2 will be an improvement, beacause 1.x fell somewhat short of that goal.
With that in mind, I _do_ believe that linux will succeed on the desktop, but not for a couple of years. Microsoft's egregious pricing model will eventually benefit linux on the desktop.
And off I go to "emerge gnome" (thanks gentoo)....
Are you using a different server than I am? I don't see gnome2 packages for gentoo yet. Well, not final release ones anyways.
I thought Ximian and GNOME were together? I was hoping to upgrade my GNOME v1.4 from Ximian. Is it safe to use GNOME's or do I need to wait for Ximian's GNOME? I am confused.
Thank you in advance.
Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
If I'm using the Red Hat Update service where I get notifications and use up2date, do they notify for this kind of release? IOW, should I be expecting an email from RH Real Soon Now(tm)?
"How many light bulbs does it take to change a person?" --BMcC-->
hehe... noticed that as well... nothing to emerge as of yet. I'm sure Spider is hard at work with the ebuilds... soon I'm sure.
Eddy.WriteLinux.Com
Star Control 2 for: Linux, OSX, and Windows
Why isn't this a full Slashdot news article?
Heh. It's right in the screenshot's filename. Rhythmbox. Do a Google search for it. (Apparently, though, it is going to become less iTunes-like -- hopefully for the better.)
To get something done, a committee should consist of no more than three persons, two of them absent.
I just read the document you referred to, and I do agree with most of it in most cases. There are a few cases where I would disagree, however.
First of all, while I agree that too many preferences can be a usability problem for new or less technically savvy users (e.g., the "too many clocks" problem), you won't get around the fact that a lot of more advanced users want tweakability. In fact, in my own experience, the more I use a particular application, the more I find I want to tweak things here and there. As a result, I disagree with Havoc that the layered preferences approach (beginner, intermediate, advanced) used in Nautilus 1.x is a bad thing. If done properly, and applied on a global scale (all of GNOME, for example), I think this can be a good solution to the problem. The added preferences still add complexity, however, so it clearly doesn't solve all of the problems with preferences.
Secondly, while preference overkill is a problem for many applications, user desktop environments are probably one of the types of applications where users want the most tweakability. This occurrs for two reasonts: 1) Many more (I dare say nearly all) users use some kind of desktop environment (even if it's TWM), whereas only a subset of users use any given productivity application. This means there are many more peoples' tastes and needs to deal with. 2) People use their desktops day-in-and-day-out, and as I mentioned before, the more someone uses a program, the more they are likely to find things they want to tweak.
This doesn't mean that the defaults shouldn't be chosen intellegently - they should - and it doesn't mean that every preference in the universe should be included "just because", but I think that there will always be some applications (e.g., desktop environments) where there will inherently be more demand for preferences, and if you remove too many of them, a large number of people will feel they can't get the behavior they want.
Just to repeat the whail of the common Redhat user at major KDE releases:
:-)
Where are the binary packages for SuSE?
There are none, are there? (Checked three mirrors.)
Also quite interesting that apart from a little claimed speed improvement nothing seems better than in your other leading desktop environment...
Anyways, congratulations Gnome team! May the best team win (and may all cooperate!).
Moritz
I agree (but I find it pretty ironic that your posting uses fixed line breaks).
Themes are usually tied to the screen size, using pixmaps for buttons and such.
Many theme engines usually allow both vector-based and pixmap-based components. It's up to individual theme writers to decide what to use. If you get a theme that doesn't scale and scaling matters to you, don't use the theme.
I did a web search, and found a discussion about this on the debian-gtk-gnome list. The packages are just about ready to go, but they decided to wait until the official 2.0 release before putting packages into Unstable. (There was one message voting for waiting until 2.0.1! I hope they ignored him. This is Unstable, not Stable, and I want GNOME 2.0 sooner rather than later.)
steveha
lf(1): it's like ls(1) but sorts filenames by extension, tersely
Checket out, it makes installing/testing Gnome 2.0 very easy and will not affect your Gnome 1.4 installation (it installs to ~/garnome/)
Berto
Just thought that needed saying.
This wasn't just plain terrible, this was fancy terrible. This was terrible with raisins in it. - Dorothy Parker
Just for once, can we have a KDE article or a GNOME article where instead of bashing the other Linux desktop UI, we bash the Windows UI instead? The common enemy?
May we never see th
Unix operating systems will start sending all the error messages from yoru disk to
Sure, you can add some third party app to your non-KDE desktop yourself if you know you need to, but secure defaults (security == protecting data) are why I use Unix.
Several ways. Probably the most straightforward if you aren't afraid of editors, is to edit the file "startkde" and replace the line "ksmserver --restore" with "ksmserver --restore --windowmanager enlightenment".
The startkde script really needs to allow the --windowmanager switch to make it easier to switch between various ones. Or better yet, a ksmserver control panel to change the window manager. GNOME (at least 1.x) was definitely easier to switch windowmanagers with.
p.s. Or there's always the Billy Bob method of switching window managers the Arkansas way: bring up an xterm/konsole and put it in the middle of the screen. Kill kwin. Now launch enlightenment form that xterm...
A Government Is a Body of People, Usually Notably Ungoverned
27.06.2002 15:21 CET:
No binaries on ftp.suse.com:/pub/suse/i386/supplementary/GNOME2
Moritz