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100th Anniversary of Air Conditioning

RealPerseus writes "The Buffalo News reports today in this article that the 100th annivsary of air conditioning is upon us. Who would have thought that air conditioning was invented in Buffalo?"

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  1. now I know how to really cool my PC.... by PhreakOfTime · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Well, finally...an old-school hacker gets some credit. Some guy working in a factory, invents such an important device for modern society...bravo Mr. Carrier

    1. Re:now I know how to really cool my PC.... by fragNabbit · · Score: 2, Funny
      Most of you yank fuckers are from the UK anyway.

      Most of us descended from amoeba too so maybe they should get the credit. And I don't think they originated in the UK ;-)

    2. Re:now I know how to really cool my PC.... by fragNabbit · · Score: 2, Insightful
      No, like the computer and the television the airplane was invented in germany.

      Was it? I think the airplane was invented long before there was a germany. People have been trying to fly since they first saw birds. The Greeks were obviously thinking about it a long time ago (ever here of Icarus?).

      I guess it all depends on how you define an airplane. But if you define it as a self propelled flying contraption, well then, you gotta go with the Wrights.

      Why is everyone pounding their damn chests over who invented what anyway? Most (if not all) inventions always build on the ideas of others.

      Carrier was an engineer for a company that build air handlers. All he did was cool the damn air as it went through the vents. So you could say lots of things about how he didn't invent anything. But yet, there it was, an air conditioner. He thought of a new way to do something.

      No since getting your pantties in a wad over who invented what.

    3. Re:now I know how to really cool my PC.... by markmoss · · Score: 2

      if you define it as a self propelled flying contraption I think you've got to go with either Lilienthal (German or French?) or Zeppelin (German). If you define it as a heavier-than-air flying contraption that can come back to ground without being smashed to pieces, it's definitely the Wrights. Lilienthal wrecked several powered airplanes while the Wrights were still flying kites and building wind tunnels. But the Wrights expanded their box kites into an airplane slow, stable, and tough enough that by being very cautious they managed to teach themselves to fly without killing themselves or wrecking it beyond repair. (Their very first flight did end in a tailspin and a crash - but from 8 foot altitude and a quite slow speed, so no one hurt and the plane was repaired in a short time. Their second flight the next day, with a rudder added to prevent tailspins, should be counted as the first successful heavier than air powered flight.)

      Almost every pilot since then has had the advantage of learning from an experienced pilot. But someone had to be first, and it was the Wright's motorized box kite, and their extremely systematic step-by-step approach, that made do-it-yourself pilot training possible.

    4. Re:now I know how to really cool my PC.... by azephrahel · · Score: 2

      I guess it all depends on how you define an airplane. But if you define it as a self propelled flying contraption, well then, you gotta go with the Wrights.

      While I agree with you in principle, if the airplane were invented with our current laws, it would be creddited to the germans. A german engineer designed a heavier than air craft, witha front mounted propeller and a Daimler Benz engine. Unfortunately DaimlerBenze sent him the wrong engine (too small) and he was too impatient, so he installed it anyway, and crashed into a lake before taking off. Still under current law he had the idea first, made the first attempt, so he would get it. Bahh

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    5. Re:now I know how to really cool my PC.... by Syre · · Score: 2

      As has been mentioned before, the real inventor of air conditioning (as well as the basic compression cycle refrigeration we still use today) was Dr. John Gorrie.

      here is a rather comprehensive page discribing his life and achievements (including a portrait and photo of a model of his original ice-making machine).

  2. What more can I say but... by errorlevel · · Score: 4, Funny

    Cool!

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  3. This has to be cheating. by Corvaith · · Score: 4, Funny

    Here I am, sitting in a tiny room with a very small oscillating fan trying in vain to fight the muggy late-night heat. In the other corner, my computer is quite happily chugging away, heating the room up even more.

    And, here, a story about air conditioning. That I don't have. Meanies.

    1. Re:This has to be cheating. by rizzo · · Score: 2

      You have my sympathies. My house doesn't have central air, but I have a big wall unit in the main floor and a window unit on the top floor. The basement, however, has nothing. Note that is where my home office is. Who would think the basement is the hottest room in the house. I even moved my four servers into another room so it's just me and my PC and the room temp is still pegged at 80 degrees. Argh!

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  4. Graduate of two high schools? by Weffs11 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    From the article.
    "Carrier graduated from both Angola High School and the old Hutchinson-Central High School in Buffalo."

    How do you graduate from two high schools?

    1. Re:Graduate of two high schools? by redhairedneo · · Score: 2, Funny

      Maybe one burned down.

    2. Re:Graduate of two high schools? by sporty · · Score: 2

      Perhaps more reason to invent the air conditioner :) Building's self combusting sucks.

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  5. Not much there. by spongman · · Score: 5, Informative

    A few quotes and the standard journalist rambling. It might be appropriate on this day to find out/brush up on how they work.

  6. read this the other day... by Servo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I read this story the other day. I found it quite interesting that they were using AC in airplanes several years before it was adopted in most buildings.

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    1. Re:read this the other day... by Detritus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      AC was also an important feature of the U.S. Navy's fleet submarines in World War II. By keeping the temperature and humidity down, it made the long war patrols in the Pacific bearable for the men and the equipment on the submarine.

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    2. Re:read this the other day... by markmoss · · Score: 2

      And [all US subs] had something the German U-Boats didn't have...showers.

      U.S. subs in the WWII era had to patrol the Pacific - which meant big boats capable of very long cruises, and the crew had to be kept healthy. So they had showers, and air-conditioning for the tropical areas, as good a food service as could be fitted in, and a reasonable amount of room to live in.

      Most U-boats were designed for short cruises out into the North Sea and around the British isles. So they were as small as possible (which helps evade detection, too), and if that meant cramped quarters and no showers, the crew could just bear it for a few weeks. After all, they could have joined the infantry instead and lived in muddy foxholes for _months_ at a time with no chance to clean up.

      Of course, as the war went on and the sub defenses multiplied close in to Britain, and on the approaches to the ports used to replenish the U-boats, the U-boats had to lengthen their cruises, and so things could get pretty uncomfortable. Furthermore, originally the boats would surface every night to run the diesels and recharge the batteries - crewmen could lollygag on deck during this, the hatches could be opened and some of the smell blown out, and if it wasn't too cold they could take seawater baths. But then someone (a Brit, I think?) invented radar small enough to mount in an airplane, the Americans manufactured thousands of large long-range airplanes, and once enough radar equipped bombers were on patrol, surfacing anywhere near the shipping lanes came to carry a high risk of being bombed. So the Germans invented the snorkel; now the U-boats could run the diesels while submerged, with only a periscope and air intake pipe exposed. These were undetectable to radar, but the crews suffered... For safer areas, the Germans also provided radar detectors, so the subs could surface as long as they could dive quickly when the detector pinged. But staying ready for a fast dive = keep most of the crew below...

    3. Re:read this the other day... by markmoss · · Score: 2, Informative

      I would say "a few", not "many". The vast bulk of their production was smaller boats for blockading Britain.

      This was damned fortunate for the US after Pearl Harbor. All the coastal shipping was completely unprotected, and it took several months before antisub patrols became sufficiently effective - long enough for a sub to cross the Atlantic, use up all its torpedos, go home to get more, and come back. But the Germans didn't have enough subs capable of making the trip, or many "tanker" subs to resupply the little boats, so the number of sinkings was limited. The panic and the disruption caused by keeping ships in port were pretty bad, though.

      OTOH, the strictly temporary spot shortages of petroleum caused by tankers being sunk or kept in port became an excuse for the government to severely ration gasoline. This doesn't seem to have been necessary in the US during most of the war from the viewpoint of total available supplies versus consumption, but it helped get the civilian population into making sacrifices for the war effort, and it conserved a lot of irreplaceable tire rubber.

  7. lower temperature inside - what about outside? by evalhalla · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Anybody knows whether there are studies about the impact that air conditioning may have on the climate? expecially in cities/towns.

    At least the microclimate near air conditioned buildings is influenced: sometimes you can't just pass near them because of hot air.

    I know that there are some places around the world where you couldn't live without AC, and that there are places where you need it for computers and other sensible stuff, but I feel that in most places it is abused. (Things like 18C inside when outside there is only a perfectly tolerable 25C)

    1. Re:lower temperature inside - what about outside? by xercist · · Score: 2

      A very interesting concept, however I don't think it would work this way.

      Considering the system as a whole (and disregarding inefficiencies of the A/C system), the average heat energy of the system including both the inside and outside the house is going to be the same. Thus, if you keep running the A/C, your house either has to keep getting colder (and the outside hotter), or there has to be some loss of heat difference somewhere. This loss, obviously, is the outside heat seeping back into the house, weather it be via air every time you open a door, or conduction through the walls. This cools off the outside. In the end, it's all equal.

      Now it's also true, as thermodynamics second law tells us, that our AC system cannot be perfectly efficient, and the energy loss will be in the form of an overall heat increase. However, I don't believe this, even if used by everyone in a city, is going to be enough to noticably affect the climate.

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    2. Re:lower temperature inside - what about outside? by Scratch-O-Matic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      but I feel that in most places it is abused.

      One thing that really pisses me off is the total misunderstanding of the thermostat. How often have you seen someone on a hot day throw the thermostat down to 65? Obviously, most people think the number on the thermostat is the temperature of the air that comes out of the vent.

      I once went into a grocery store in the middle of summer, and it was COLD in the store. I asked the cashier: "Aren't you cold?" She replied: "Yeah, but we don't mind, since it's so hot outside." ??

      I think a series of public service ads featuring a brief explanation of the thermostat, plus a recommended temperature, would go a long way toward reducing abuse.

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    3. Re:lower temperature inside - what about outside? by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well, I'm no engineer, but I work with some, who specialice in, of all things, air conditioning, and one of the things I've learned is:

      1) The "perfect" temperature to aim for is 17 C, as both humans and electrical equipment will heat up the air to up around 20 C.

      2) If your building is affected by solar heating, you cannot simply use passive cooling/convection to cool it down, and the temperature will rise quite quickly to intolerable levels (more than 25 C)

      3) If it's sunny and 25 C outside, and your building is slightly succeptible to solar heating, it will rather quickly become REALLY hot inside if you don't use airconditioning. I know this myself, as we DON'T have any kind of AC in our building (even though that's what we do for a living), and if it's 20 C+ outside and sunny, it will rise to an abyssmal 5 C hotter than that inside; I guess it's because we don't have movement of air inside, as opening windows usually results in too powerfull drafts throwing papers all over the office and leaving me to find them and sort them out again - yes, I'm speaking from experience :-(

      Anyway, modern air conditioning can recycle up to 95% of the heat you suck out of a building, so in the winter time hardly any heat is wasted, but in the summertime there's really no need to recycle it.

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    4. Re:lower temperature inside - what about outside? by Zathrus · · Score: 2

      Pardon me while I laugh at some of the numbers being thrown around...

      Perfect temperature 17 C (that's 62.6 F)? Do you want me wearing a sweater year round?

      Intolerable is >25 C (77 F)? Uh... I keep my house above that in the summer. In fact, I find considerably warmer temperatures perfectly fine if the humidity is low enough. The power companies generally recommend keeping your house no cooler than about 25 C (76-78 F) because when you cool below that you start burning energy fast and 25 C is very well within most people's comfort zones.

      All I can think is that you're from a country with a much colder climate than most of the US.

    5. Re:lower temperature inside - what about outside? by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 2
      Denmark, and it's not so much the temperature, that's a killer, it's that everybody starts perspiring, inceasing the humidity making it rather unbearable, when you're used to temperatures in the mid to low tens.
      "Maybe your abyssmal condition is because you don't open the windows and get fresh air flow."
      I must say that I'm very impressed with your reading and deductive skills, as I wrote this in my post:
      "I guess it's because we don't have movement of air inside, as opening windows usually results in too powerfull drafts throwing papers all over the office and leaving me to find them and sort them out again - yes, I'm speaking from experience :-("
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    6. Re:lower temperature inside - what about outside? by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 2

      I just thought of something; maybe your definition of 27C is different than mine ... sounds weird, I know, but here's the catch.

      The way "we" (that is the firm I work for) measure temperatures is using a so called "english box" (at least in Danish), which is defined something like this:

      1) The box must be white.
      2) The box must be placed at least two meters from buildings.
      3) The box must not be placed in shade.

      The thermometer is placed in the center of the english box, and the temperature reported (ie 27 C) is the average temperature inside the box over 24 hours.

      Usually when I talk to people, they will say stuff like "it was 35 C today", but that's just the peak temperature. If the 35 C was measured inside that english box, I would personally melt!

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    7. Re:lower temperature inside - what about outside? by derch · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ahhh... Yes, we're talking slightly different languages. In the US, the reported temperature is taken from a thermometer in the shade.

      I can see where 25C in an english box is hot weather. Thank you for a new tidbit of info!

    8. Re:lower temperature inside - what about outside? by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 2
      "I'm a person who will go out of his way to keep his windows open over turning on A/C."
      Same here, but I don't have AC :-/

      Also, with the amount of paper in our office, and the hurricane level winds, that usually arise when opening the windows at the office, I doubt I could settle for "a few paperweights" ;-)
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    9. Re:lower temperature inside - what about outside? by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 2

      Not to mention our 600 meter waves at the coast line, 15 kilometer mountains and our women who measure 200-2-200 ...

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    10. Re:lower temperature inside - what about outside? by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 2
      Denmark, and it's not so much the temperature, that's a killer, it's that everybody starts perspiring, inceasing the humidity making it rather unbearable, when you're used to temperatures in the mid to low tens.

      Wow. One of the things I like about the Internet is getting a glimpse of life in far-off places I probably won't be visiting in the near future.

      For your own entertainment, I live in the American Midwest (Nebraska, specifically). It's currently 34C with a dew point of 21C (relative humidity of 46% for those of us in the States). Tomorrow's forecast calls for 37C, humid, and possible rain. Two weeks ago, the temperature exceeded 39C, making the 50+% humidity particularly painful.

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  8. Air conditioning has destroyed architecture by Bastian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    8' (as opposed to 10') ceilings, poor placement of windows leading to no cross-ventilation, cutting down all the trees around a lot to ease construction but destroying the shade, the death of the porch.

    I love air conditioning, but I want to hate it. . .

    1. Re:Air conditioning has destroyed architecture by daeley · · Score: 2

      the death of the porch.

      Methinks Television had more to do with that than AC.

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    2. Re:Air conditioning has destroyed architecture by Bastian · · Score: 3, Insightful
      So... I fail to see how air conditioning caused these problems. Especially "cutting down all the trees around a lot to ease construction". Seems more like the rush to build cheaper and cheaper houses and not a big A/C conspiracy.


      Once A/C become common, the need to build houses so that they stay cool naturally went away - and it's much cheaper to just use AC, too.

      Hence, ceilings didn't need to be as high, and one didn't need to put as much thought into the placement of windows, because with A/C there was no need for a good breeze to keep the houe cool.

      It's cheaper to cut down the trees when building the building, yes. With A/C, those trees (and the shade they provide) lost much of their importance for keeping the house cool.

      It's not that I think that there's an A/C conspiracy, it's just that A/C made it more feasible to cut a few corners when building a house. Personally, I'd like to have a house that has all of the stuff I'm lamenting the loss of /and/ A/C.
    3. Re:Air conditioning has destroyed architecture by jedrek · · Score: 2

      I'm replying because I couldn't find the -1 Shitty Humor or -1 Clueless moderation options.

    4. Re:Air conditioning has destroyed architecture by EddydaSquige · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Sorry, but standardized building materials has had a lot more to do with destroying architecture than AC has. Most of the houses built in america today use standard sheets of plywood to form the 'skin', and sheet rock on interior walls, both have a standard size of 4' x 8' (hence the ceiling height). Standardized sizes have led to a reduction in the need for highly skilled labor in construction than is evidenced by the decline in truly skilled carpenters and masons, no real skill needed anymore, just a table saw to cut the excess. And the fact that groups like Habitat for Humanity (they do great work, not dissing what they do) can gather a group of everyday people together, most of whom have never built a house, and knock out a building in a couple months working mostly on the weekends.

      So if your going to blame something for the decline of architecture, start with building materials being similar to legos, and not AC.

    5. Re:Air conditioning has destroyed architecture by Dahan · · Score: 2
      And I've always been confused when people measure airconditioning by weight. What is a ton of air conditioning?

      Yeah, it is a pretty weird unit of measure... it's the amount of heat energy an air conditioner can remove in one hour, converted into a weight by Einstein's famous e = mc^2 formula[1].

      So one ton of AC works out to be 2.27E23 ergs/second (or 7.74E16 btus/hour for you non-metric types [read as: USAians])

      [1] Technically known as "the law of the photoelectric effect"... he won the Nobel Prize in 1921 for discovering it!

    6. Re:Air conditioning has destroyed architecture by brad3378 · · Score: 2

      > 8' (as opposed to 10') ceilings, poor placement of windows leading to no cross-ventilation, cutting down all the trees around a lot to ease construction but destroying the shade, the death of the porch.

      I don't agree
      Firstly, 8 foot versus 10 foot ceilings. Ten foot ceilings ARE NOT common with older houses. I wish I could remember how many times I've hit my head on a low doorway or a shallow basement.
      If your statement is correct - That there are fewer 10 foot ceilings, have you considered it may be due to the cost? One small 10x10 room has 4 walls - 4x10x(10-8) = 80 square feet of additional wall material - and that's a damn small room.

      Cross ventilation does little good when the ambient air is so humid you close all the windows anyway. Besides, How did the invention of air conditioners have an influence on the placement of windows?

      Although I would prefer to have a few, cutting down trees is not necessarily a bad idea. Tree roots can cause thousands of dollars of damage with sidewalks, underground piping, and basement walls.
      Likewise, How does house cutting down trees during the construction phase relate to the invention of air conditioning?

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    7. Re:Air conditioning has destroyed architecture by 5KVGhost · · Score: 2

      All the things you name are indeed problems with many modern houses. But I don't think AC destroyed the good architecture, it just made the rotten architecture that was later adopted tolerable enough to keep around.

      The treeless lots are a huge problem around here, and one of the reasons I moved into an older neighborhood. Not only do developers cut down everything in sight, but a friend of mine in PA lives in a neighborhood that actually prohibits having trees in the front yards! Insane.

      I think commercial architecture is an even worse offender, with stupid windows that don't open, acres of glass baking the poor people inside even when the AC is on, and generally bad ventilation. BTW, for anyone who's interested in the poor usability of modern buildings and how people react to them a really good book to read is "How Buildings Learn" by Stewart Brand of Whole Earth catalog fame. It's a recurring theme.

    8. Re:Air conditioning has destroyed architecture by quintessent · · Score: 2

      I think you're responding to a straw man. The original poster's point was pretty much what you're saying here. A/C changed the economic structure of things, which resulted in getting rid of some nice things, which it would be really nice to keep around.

      And I'll have to say I agree with both of you.

  9. Intersting by yobbo · · Score: 2

    On slashdot, we celebrate and wish Code Red, one of the biggest pains in the ass in recent memory, a 'happy birthday' .

    Then we drop a note to... point out that it's the anniversary of airconditioning.

  10. Thanks? by Comrade+Brightski · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is probably a pretty unpopular comment to make to a crowd of geeks in the heat of summer, but I'll say it anyways. While air conditioning is a great scientific and engineering achievement, I'm not sure that it's been a great advantage to society. It's done very little to improve the quality of life for humans and quite a bit to degrade it. I am by no means an avid environmentalist, yet anyone can recognize all the damage caused by freon and the tremendous strain that condensors place on the power grid.

    What amazes me most is how Americans have begun to view air conditioning as a "necessity". Are we insane? The necessities in life are food, oxygen, and heat in climates with extreme cold. Nevertheless, the petroleum supplies are depleted at an increasing rate so that people can be more comfortable as they sit in traffic with the A/C on full blast.

    Yes, it's a nice invention. Hospitals can benefit tremendously from it. But it's nowhere near a necessity and if humans would tolerate a little discomfort, the Earth might be in much better shape.

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    1. Re:Thanks? by yobbo · · Score: 2

      Would I be wrong in assuming you don't live in a city which gets very hot in summer? People die in extreme heat.

      If you get cold, you put on more clothes and cover yourself in a blanket. If you get hot, you either find shade, cover yourself in water and sit in front of a fan, live underground or thank god you have an A/C.

    2. Re:Thanks? by broohaha · · Score: 2, Insightful

      People die in extreme heat because their homes are not well ventilated. Not necessarily because of lack of air conditioning.

      Here in Chicago, it was mostly elderly people living alone who left their windows closed that one summer in 94 when 400 people died from a heat wave.

      But when I go visit my relatives in rural Philippines, I see people toughing it out in just-as-humid heat. Even The difference is their homes are better ventilated and they make do with electric fans and a shade (or a swim in the sea).

      The guy has a point. It's not a necessity. There is an alternative to air conditioning. Whereas there isn't an alternative to food, oxygen, and heat in extreme cold climates.

    3. Re:Thanks? by guran · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Unpopular, a bit oversimplyfying, but nonetheless interesting.

      Compare housing in america to housing in, say italy or greece. (or mexico for that matter.)
      My feeling is that the widespread use of AC has made architects forget how you build a house for a hot climate. You don't have large south-facing windows. You have wooden or even stone floors and not a carpet. (Carpets are germ infested discusting things anyway) You have proper insulation and ventilation. You make sure that you get some freaking shade.

      Or,... you just put in some AC, and hope that power will never be a problem.

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    4. Re:Thanks? by Detritus · · Score: 2

      In the "good old days", the people who could afford it left the city for the summer, the poor and working class had to suffer through the heat. Summer also brought increases in diseases like malaria and yellow fever. Why do you think the U.S. Congress has a summer recess? Washington, D.C. used to be considered a malaria-ridden swamp.

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    5. Re:Thanks? by yatest5 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Instead people insist on wearing more than they need and then draining power from the grid to make up for their own insecurity.

      I'd much prefer to waste the earths resources than see the sweaty hairy hacker next to me's ballbag attempting to escape from his shorts, believe me...

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    6. Re:Thanks? by pubjames · · Score: 2

      My feeling is that the widespread use of AC has made architects forget how you build a house for a hot climate.

      Absolutely. I recently brought an old (1860's) flat in Spain, and those architects sure did know how to make a nice space to live in. High ceilings, light, easy to clean, good distribution and cool without air-conditioning. Having lived only in modern flats before, I could never go back.

      Carpets are germ infested discusting things anyway

      Absolutely! I didn't realise how horrible carpets where until I lived in a place with tile floors. The combination of carpets, strip lighting and air-conditioning - what an unhealthy environment to live in.

    7. Re:Thanks? by dimator · · Score: 2

      Dude, when its a 110 degrees outside, ain't no amount of "ventilation" going to make me feel comfortable. And isn't the whole point of technological advancement to make humans more comfortable, and life more enjoyable?

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    8. Re:Thanks? by duffbeer703 · · Score: 2

      If you enjoy being outside in New York, Boston or Chicago during the dog days of summer, you are sick.

      I highly doubt that you spend your days sitting on your front stoop with a wet towel wrapped around your neck. Until you do, don't lecture people about the nobility of the good old days when people sat in puddles of their own sweat.

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    9. Re:Thanks? by MtViewGuy · · Score: 2

      Actually, you're forgetting that many houses built since the 1980's have R-38 level insulation all the way around the house and thermopane windows to minimize the effects of outside temperatures.

      As a result, this puts a lot less strain on air conditioners since they don't have to be run so often.

      Also, careful placement of circulating fans around the house really helps things, too. :-)

    10. Re:Thanks? by shepd · · Score: 2

      >It's done very little to improve the quality of life for humans

      A flat out lie. If you don't feel more comfortable in an air conditioned building, you have some kind of temperature regulation problem, or a problem with dealing with humidity. See a doctor immediately.

      >and quite a bit to degrade it.

      I'm not even going to mention the huge conspiracy theory that is Freon, but I will ask why you think it degrades life? What, other than Freon, which modern air conditioners no longer use, about air conditioning is inherently bad? That it uses power? Well, BFD! Build a nuclear power plant and all the problems are solved.

      >I am by no means an avid environmentalist

      In that case, you should have no problem with nuclear power plants -- otherwise you are an environmentalist nutcase and just haven't come out of the closet yet.

      >But it's nowhere near a necessity and if humans would tolerate a little discomfort, the Earth might be in much better shape.

      Exactly how is getting rid of all air conditioning today going to benefit the earth? Considering how long an air conditioner lasts, I doubt its going to do much to landfills. Most parts of an air conditioner are recyclable anyways.

      Two, why be in discomfort when it causes little to no environmental harm? You just haven't backed up your theory that well...

      >Nevertheless, the petroleum supplies are depleted at an increasing rate so that people can be more comfortable as they sit in traffic with the A/C on full blast.

      The majority of time the majority of people sit in air conditioning (by majority I mean 90% or more) is in an air conditioned building. If your local power comes from coal or gas, I feel for you. Not just your environment, but you must be writing some fat checks to the local power authorities!

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    11. Re:Thanks? by platos_beard · · Score: 2
      And isn't the whole point of technological advancement to make humans more comfortable, and life more enjoyable?

      Good question. The answer may be yes, but not if by "make humans more comfortable" you really mean "make me more comfortable right now." How does the technology that makes you cooler affect everyone else on the planet? How 'bout future residents? Do non-human residents not matter at all?

      The long-term indirect consequences of AC are huge. To pick just two things, think how population distribution has changed due to AC and they resulting change in energy use and land use. And consider the ability to move perishable goods around the world and what happens when native agriculture for local consumption is replaced with mono-cultured goodies to ship the rich countries.

      I'm not saying these things are good or bad, but if we're considering what is the proper end of technological advancement, I really don't give a damn if you or I feel a little uncomfortable when the temperature gets a bit high.

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    12. Re:Thanks? by tRoll+with+Butter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's done very little to improve the quality of life for humans and quite a bit to degrade it. I am by no means an avid environmentalist, yet anyone can recognize all the damage caused by freon and the tremendous strain that condensors place on the power grid.

      Nice try. The quality of life has improved greatly due to air conditioning. Many of the food products that you stated are a "necessity in life" would have a significantly reduced shelf life in a hot, humid climate. (Does "store in a cool, dry place" ring any bells?) Air conditioning potentially saves water, for many people would shower several times a day to avoid becoming smelly, although that is more of an enviormental issue than a quality-of-life one.

      The compressor and fan motors are the source of power consumption on an air conditioning system. The condensor is a coil of pipe where the freshly-compressed refriderant cools - it does not require external power. While air conditioning does contribute to power consumption, many homes have electric stoves, electric water heaters and electric clothes dryers... Don't forget the businesses that leave computers, lights and even their AC unit on when no one is even there. Power consumption really becomes a problem when it is power that is wasted - with a proper conservation plan, there is still room for air conditioning.

      As for the enviormental concerns of the coolant used, freon (R-12) is no longer manufactured in the US and is illegal to import. There's still a black market for it, but it will continue to deminish as older units that require it break and are replaced with new enviormentally-friendly R-134a compatible units.

      While gas consumption would probably drop considerably if everyone turned off their automobile's AC unit, it would drop substancially more if more USians lost their obsession with large engines. I'll keep driving my 4 cylender Toyota with the AC on... I'm still getting better gas mileage than those 6+ cylender cars/suvs even with their AC off. ;)

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    13. Re:Thanks? by brad3378 · · Score: 2

      > it's nowhere near a necessity and if humans would tolerate a little discomfort, the Earth might be in much better shape.

      Obviously you don't work in the server room.

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    14. Re:Thanks? by shepd · · Score: 2

      >I think you have a problem understanding the words "very little". In programmer terms, very little != nothing. Cool air is a luxury. It is _not_ penicillin or pasteurized milk.

      A luxury?

      You might want to take a look at the temperature scale here, and notice when heatstroke occurrs. Notice the words life threatening. To live in an area that can have temperatures of over 130 F will ensure your death.

      Being cool, for humans, is simply not a luxury, and our ability to ensure that people don't die in their own homes during a heatwave is one effect of Air Conditioning.

      >Some places are just too damned cold.

      Yes, well, I wouldn't blame that on air conditioning in general any more than I'd blame music being too loud on stereo equipment in general (for example). Someone's misuse of a product doesn't exclude its proper use.

      >Have you never heard of nuclear waste

      Yes, I have read that the entire amount of nuclear waste generated on the entire earth will fit in a football field or two. Small price to pay when there's so much unused, and completely uninhabited (by anything) space on this planet. Over time, this extremely small problem will be solved with technology too (slow poke reactors are a very good start). Not that it even matters anyways, because, as I've said, the amounts of waste generated are just too small to care about.

      >meltdowns

      Again, improper use of a technology does not discount its proper use. Nuclear power is 100% safe and effective when used properly. AFAIK, no 1st world country has ever experienced a massive meltdown.

      >thermal pollution?

      A problem easily solved with proper foresight into the building of the nuclear power plant.

      >Ask your neighbor if he would mind if you built a nuclear power plant across the street from him and begin trucking in uranium

      I have been near a local power plant (Pickering, Ontario) and experienced none of this heavy uraniam trucking traffic you speak about. It simply doesn't exist.

      >Now ask yourself where all these miracle facilities are for a technology that was born in WWII.

      Pickering and Bruce Ontario. Pickering is within a stone's throw of Toronto, Canada's largest city (population wise). The only major complaints from those people are that the Pickering plant could use more safety inspections. Neither of these power plants use WWII technology, which is inherently unsafe. Rather they use the much safer, and well tested over time, CANDU technology. A technology, which, again, when used properly is perfectly safe. However, a CANDU reactor can still melt down, but this virtually requires a forceful amount of ignorance. This design, which us Canadians have sold to many other countries is virtually indestructible.

      >Anyone that has a problem with transporting nuclear material and storing substances that will not be safe for thousands of years must be a lunatic.

      Your smoke detector contains those substances, but I bet you have one. Mercury and lead will last your lifetime, but you don't see people driving around trying to dig those items up, do you? Has there ever, even once been a serious spill of nuclear material related to a nuclear power plant in a first world country that has caused more devastation than the iginition of a gas tanker train?

      You seemed to be scared of something you don't fully understand.

      > Let those who produce the waste deal with it and a few attitudes may change.

      We, in Canada, take our nuclear waste and bury it up north well away from any person, and well away from the natural habitats of most any kind of living life. I doubt snow cares about nuclear radiation, but we ensure even it doesn't experience any by sheilding any and all nuclear raditiation coming from the waste. I'm more than sure we'd be pleased to take your nuclear waste (if we aren't already) at a cost.

      And why the animosity to big cities? I assume you must have quite a lot towards big cities since they tend to generate more waste than they can handle.

      I say let the people who understand and can take care of the waste handle it, and let them reap the profits of their work.

      >Once again, you fail to realize the correlation between power drain and environmental damage.

      Once again, you fail to show anything to back up your baseless ideas. If power drain caused environmental damage, the reverse should be true. In that case, why do lightning strikes not cause life to grow?

      >Crank your air conditioning down all the way and leave it there for this month. Check your next electric bill.

      Hello, McFly? Cost and environmental damage are unrelated. For the cost of a single 10 ct. diamond I can cause more environmental damage than that diamond will ever cause in its entire lifetime!

      >Gee, I wonder how all those electrons were magically produced?

      How can you sleep at night knowing people have X-Ray producing TVs on!

      > The residents of Paducah, Kentucky found this out not long ago when they discovered that radioactive material had been leaching into the ground.

      A search on the internet revealed that these deaths were caused by gross mismanagement of waste at these areas. Even so, the amount of people harmed by this is far less than the effects caused by your coal power.

      Not to mention that where you're talking about is a nuclear weapons production plant. These are places creating and designing things that are meant to cause harm and nuclear explosions. I wouldn't live near _any_ place that makes weapons, nuclear or not.

      Coal power is a factor in well over 6000 death pear year in the United States alone. Nuclear power can't even begin to touch those numbers. The amount of people killed by Chernobyl (15000), arguably the largest nuclear power accident ever, pales in comparison to the amount of lives lost in just one country over the years since that meltdown due to coal and other unclean power.

      >Of course, everybody should be on nuclear power, right?

      Hell yes. Statistics show, provably, that nuclear power is the cleanest, safest, and most abundant energy we can produce. Solar cells and wind power (the only two [however, still a bit debateable] safer supplies of energy) are simply insufficient to even run enough power to let people cook their food, unless you want to black out entire cities with solar panels, or risk danger by putting wind generators in the paths of walking humans.

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  11. The old Buffalo Forge plant by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've been tempted to explore the old abandoned plant, in the style of infiltration.org... but I have no real idea of what the security there is. When I was a kid in Buffalo, I used to hang around abandoned buildings, partly out of necessity. The old DL&W Terminal was a really cool place...

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  12. Is this anyway related to... by MoThugz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    this poll that's currently running on /.? BTW, it seems that most /.ers don't have the luxury of being cooled by ACs (according to the poll).

    1. Re:Is this anyway related to... by pangloss · · Score: 2
      BTW, it seems that most /.ers don't have the luxury of being cooled by ACs
      but some /.ers enjoy the luxury of being flamed by ACs
    2. Re:Is this anyway related to... by Rogerborg · · Score: 2
      • it seems that most /.ers don't have the luxury of being cooled by ACs (according to the poll).

      Slashmaths: 3 + 10 + 17 + 13 + 6 + 7 < 36

      God help us all.

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  13. Geothermal Heat Exchange by philipsblows · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Personally, I am looking forward to more widespread use of geothermal heat exchange systems (see this document and a few links at the bottom of that page for more info) to gain efficiency and save energy (and money). As every VW Bug owner knows, air is okay as a heat exchange medium, but it is not the best. Using the ground to move the energy around makes a whole lot of sense, and can be tacked on to an existing A/C setup (with a whole lot of digging, of course).

    Living in Phoenix as I do, I can definitely appeciate this invention, and let's not forget Carnot.

    1. Re:Geothermal Heat Exchange by bluGill · · Score: 2

      You hit on the disadvantage: a 20+ year payback time. Eventough on a modern well insulated house you can do all your heating and cooling for an entire year for about $50, it takes a long time to make up the cost of installing it. Of course a modern furnance in a modern house is very good too. Those old houses that other posters were raving about cost ~$300/month to heat in winter where I live, while a modern house is about $30/month. Geothermo in an old house might make more sense in payback terms, but insulation is still a lot cheaper.

  14. Refrigerator? by hofer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I thought the air conditioners used the same principle as refrigerators. And that was first built a bit earlier (19th Century in Pennsylvania and Australia, ether machines) and the first practical system was built by Ferdinand Carre (France). Isn't air conditioning just an application of an earlier invention to a "new" area? You know, instead of cooling dead meat, it cools the living? :-)

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    1. Re:Refrigerator? by markmoss · · Score: 2

      Isn't air conditioning just an application of an earlier invention to a "new" area?

      Yes. Furthermore, according to the article, "Carrier borrowed on the heater principle, but instead of sending air through hot coils, he sent it through coils chilled with cold water." This sounds like he didn't even use a compression - expansion heat pump/refrigeration principle, but just piped in cool water from the lake.

      Talk about obvious! If you count that as "air conditioning", you ought to credit it to the unkown architect that first designed a building that kept itself cool. Except that was just an artificial cave...

  15. In Tokyo they reckon it's a bad thing by KNicolson · · Score: 2

    IIRC, I read a few weeks ago that Tokyo's had twice as many 30+ degC days per summer, attributable mainly to aircon outlets on the roofs of buildings. They have some plan to pipe water from the bay and do underground heat exchange, in the hope of reducing the temperature by a bit. I can't find a copy of the story on the web, though...

    1. Re:In Tokyo they reckon it's a bad thing by badasscat · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's called the heat island effect, and it happens everywhere, not just Tokyo. If you live in any sort of urban area you know the temperature is always 5 degrees or so hotter than it is in the suburbs. It's not only due to A/C, but also greenhouse gases (in fact, I'll bet it's more the exhaust coming out of A/C units and the gases contained in them that's the problem, rather than the direct heating of the air).

      The Japanese are always doing crazy, innovative things to solve problems, though, so more power to them if they want to use water pipes to cool the city. But it's not just a problem in Tokyo - it's just as much a problem in New York and elsewhere (and it's not just because of A/C).

    2. Re:In Tokyo they reckon it's a bad thing by RennieScum · · Score: 2

      Also has a lot do to with all the material that makes up a cty. Pavement, steel, glass, are all absorbing the suns energy. I would bet that if a city were evacuated and using no electricity at all, no cars, nothing, you would still see an increase in temperature

      So why do they always report the temperature at the airport? Nobody lives at the fscking airport!

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  16. Related Movie quote by Kasmiur · · Score: 2

    "I can think of no sin greater than central air"
    Dogma

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  17. air conditioning is ancient. by Artifex · · Score: 3, Informative

    You are correct. Various types of air cooling and conditioning have been in use for thousands of years. Here is a brief list of some of the types of air conditioning methods used in the history of Texas for the last few hundred years. It is worth noting that many large buildings still use the ice-chiller system to cool air, and it's being used in new construction, as well. "Refrigerated air" is simply not terribly efficient in large spaces.

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  18. It's a cold wind that blows no good by nedow · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Air conditioning has helped to destroy the beauty of summertime. As a boy growing up in the pre-airconditioned South, you could walk the streets at twilight amidst a restful summer quiet. It was a quiet that is hard to describe. Not silence, but the peacefulness of a community winding down at day's end. Kids might be playing in the yards or loafing on a porch. You might hear the quiet sound of a radio through an open kitchen window. You'd see someone washing dishes, bathed in the pale yellow glow of her kitchen light.

    Outdoors the sky would be turning darker as a shadowy purple became the predominant tint to the surroundings. The most prevalent sound was the synchronoized chatter of cicadas (locusts) with their bizarre rhythm of cyclic rattling. Oh, and of course their were the silent fireworks of the fireflies.

    Now when you walk the street at dusk, you see no one, not even someone washing dishes, thanks to the ubiquitous dishwasher. Kids are nowhere to be seen. The steady drone of each and every house's air conditioning compressor fills the air, drowning out even the cicadas. You might as well be walking through a 24 hour per day widget factory. It is an industrial noise which blocks out all sounds of nature.

    Sky watchers complain of light pollution; I would like to add to their complaint, the noise pollution of air conditioners which have helped to destroy the summer night.

    1. Re:It's a cold wind that blows no good by Peyna · · Score: 2

      Oh, so we stay inside because it's not safe? Funny, because most neighborhoods you would deem as 'not safe' also tend to not have A/C (because they can't afford it) and everybody sits outside on their porches all afternoon.

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  19. "Who would have thought... by Gryphon · · Score: 2

    ... that air conditioning was invented in Buffalo?"

    The "Armpit of America"? Have you ever smelled that city?

    I rest my case... ;-)

  20. Carrier by benh57 · · Score: 5, Funny
    And in an amazing coincidence, it was Mr Carrier's grandson "No" who invented the computer modem. He left his mark on his invention with the familiar signoff..

    NO CARRIER

  21. American air conditioner craze by magi · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Americans seem to be rather crazy about the air conditioners. Not that they are nice in a hot day, but why the hell do they have to turn their houses into freezers with them?

    I mean, last time I was in Florida, I was shivering all the time I was indoors. Being indoors with shorts and a T-shirt was very unconfortable. In my hotel, the entire room was filled with a freezing gale from an enormous air conditioner. I tried to find some controls or a switch to turn it off, but couldn't. Luckily the beds had enough blankets to sleep in Siberian winter, so I didn't have to sleep outside.

    After a few days, I got a bad cold, and had to end my conference&vacation trip early. I wasn't in a condition to be able to go to the Space Center, Epcot, or other sights in Orlando. Some other Finnish people I know tell that they get a cold every time they visit US.

    What's the problem with you? Is it that the businessmen and others have to be able to wear a suit in hotels all the time, or what?

    1. Re:American air conditioner craze by jilles · · Score: 2

      I can second that. I was on a conference in Hawaii in Januari. It was a nice 30 degrees celsius outside. The conference hotel basically had it's doors and windows wide open (so people could walk in and out) and still managed to chill the rooms to a shivering 18 degrees celsius. Everybody was dressed for the nice 30 degrees (shorts & shirts) but I saw a lot of people putting on sweaters inside!!

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    2. Re:American air conditioner craze by printman · · Score: 2

      Cold temperatures don't make you sick. More than likely you either were having an allergic reaction to the dust/pollen/spores in the rooms or outside (something that will manifest itself as a head cold usually)

      The biggest problem I have with AC is that in order to make homes "more energy efficient" you have to make them as airtight as possible, which means that you get no exchange of outside (fresh) air. We're in the process of putting in a fresh air exchanger (actually, its a full heat exchanger, too, to improve on the efficiency) for our office now, because the air quality indoors royally sucks.

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    3. Re:American air conditioner craze by Peyna · · Score: 2
      Cold temperatures don't make you sick.

      Cold itself may not make you sick, but it can make you more susceptible, and drastic changes in environment in short periods of time (hot + humid -> cold + dry) and back and forth a few times can really mess you up quick.

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    4. Re:American air conditioner craze by markmoss · · Score: 2

      Try it in the winter in a northern state - many of my idjit countrymen seem to set their heater to 78F and their air conditioners to 72. Good thing most central air systems have a lockout that prevents the two from running simultaneously...

      And it is bad for your health. People step outdoors on a moderate winter day and they're badly chilled almost immediately. Their body hasn't adapted to winter. Also, it's too hot indoors to wear warm clothes - so for one thing, they might put a two inch thick down jacket over their chest, but they are leaking heat through thin trousers. Keep the heat at 65 to 68, and (1) you can be comfortable indoors while dressed appropriately for the season, and (2) you'll adapt to cooler temperatures.

  22. Washington Post Story by wiredog · · Score: 2

    Here. And Washington DC is a town that really needs AC.

  23. Cities are hotter because of AC.... by GLX · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ironically enough, the Philadelphia Inquirer had an article yesterday pointing out how AC is actually making cities up to 10 degrees hotter versus rural areas.
    In summer, all that extra heat - as much as 25 times more than in suburbs - tends to get trapped close to the ground by high-pressure systems. The result can be a vicious cycle.

    "It's hotter, so we use air-conditioning, which makes it hotter, so we use more air-conditioning," said J. Scott Greene, director of the environmental and verification analysis center at the University of Oklahoma.

    A great read for anyone who's interested...

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    1. Re:Cities are hotter because of AC.... by GLX · · Score: 2, Interesting

      For some reason my links got pruned out of the above...

      Here's the link to the article: http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/3686038.htm

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    2. Re:Cities are hotter because of AC.... by Misch · · Score: 2

      ABCNews.com carried a story on so called "Green roof" buildings. Putting plants, soil, and other natural things on top of buildings made the buildings cooler, and consequently, the area around the buildings cooler as well. Sounds like a pretty neat solution to me.

      Of course, dropping things off the roof can be fun too, but won't cool the building off. Who knew that a frozen banana hitting pavement would splatter into tiny bits. *sigh* if only we had access to liquid nitrogen.

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  24. Re:I live in Amherst Buffalo by liquidsin · · Score: 3, Funny

    This frickin' humidity sucks. I think the only way to beat it is with beer. The Buffalo-area chapter of slashdot members should hold it's meetings just over the river, at the Canadian ballet. (if you're from the area, you'll get it)

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  25. Is it really *that* suprising... by Wdomburg · · Score: 2

    ... that Buffalo invented air conditioning? We're EXPERTS on cold. :)

    Matt

    1. Re:Is it really *that* suprising... by RennieScum · · Score: 2

      Makes perfect sense to me that Buffalo's biggest export would be cold air. As opposed to Washington's biggest export, hot air.

      I was talking about Redmond, not DC...

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  26. didn't work anyways by prisoner · · Score: 3, Funny

    I know. The house I grew up in had all of those features you love. Inside the house it was still hot as fuck in the summer, even at night. Can't sleep outside in this part of Virginia as the bugs would drain you dry. I sweated my ass off every summer for 18 years. I don't miss it. 'Course, after I left for college my parents had central AC istalled....BASTARDS...:)

    1. Re:didn't work anyways by ScumBiker · · Score: 2

      I grew up in west central Wisconsin, on the Mississippi river. We had a semi-victorian house, tall ceilings, porches, all that stuff. No central air. Exactly ONE box fan upstairs, usually pointed at my parents room. Talk about a suffocating situation. I finally ended up getting air conditioning about 5 years after moving out, because I chose to become 18 at the height of the late seventies/early eighties recession/depression. There was absolutely no work around for an inexperienced kid. I also blame that recession for my not going to college. sigh...

      Hey prisoner, is the insidespaces website your work? If so, very nice, good design. Email me, I want to talk.

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    2. Re:didn't work anyways by leucadiadude · · Score: 2

      Of course. After their grocery billl went down they were able to afford it... ;)

  27. John Gorrie and Apalachicola- the REAL inventor by pkeck · · Score: 3, Informative

    I remember from visiting Apalachicola, Florida, that they have a sign proclaiming to be the birthplace of air conditioning. Google it and see. Here's a decent page: http://fcit.coedu.usf.edu/florida/lessons/gorrie/g orrie.htm .

    He had rooms cooled by mechanical refrigeration 50 years before the usurpers in Buffalo! Let the revisionist history be cast down!

  28. WRONG by Chanc_Gorkon · · Score: 2

    Boy can't add eh? Look and add all of the temp ranges and you shall see 6,291 have air conditioning and keep in in some crazy ranges. I don't like my house like an ice box, so I have to say that I am in the 73-76 range. I applaud those who have there's greater then 80, but BOY I bet they have shweaty balls and boobs (geek girls too ya know!).

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    1. Re:Wrong by NeuroManson · · Score: 2

      You're wrong as well, Abe's brains were blown out, and he died on the scene at the Ford theater... The one they first used A/C for was president James Garfield, who was dying from an assasin's bullet... Specifically, it was in 1881, and was an evaporative air conditioner that worked in the manner you described...

      The "modern" chemically cooled air conditioner was invented in 1902...

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  29. But now you can live in certain places.... by MtViewGuy · · Score: 2

    Bastian,

    However, modern air conditioning has made it possible to do two things:

    1. Live in desert environments. You wouldn't want to live in Phoenix, AZ without air conditioning, especially with temperatures in the daytime hitting 45 degrees C. and higher during the summer.

    2. Live in warm, high-humidity environments. Try living in the southeastern USA with temperatures in the high 30's C. and 75-plus percent humidity during the summer without air conditioning.

    A big benefit of air conditioning is a huge boon to museums. Works of art and historical items are much more easily preserved in temperature/humidity controlled environments that air conditioning systems provide.

    1. Re:But now you can live in certain places.... by mdwebster · · Score: 2, Funny

      You're so right!! Before AC the southeastern U.S. was completely unpopulated by humans! AC made it possible!1!!

    2. Re:But now you can live in certain places.... by sien · · Score: 3, Insightful
      This is exactly right. In the book Dot Con it is pointed out that AC has probably had a bigger effect on the US economy than the Internet.

      And indeed, it has led to its own boom in housing prices in the South of the US. If it wasn't for AC who would live in Texas or Florida ?

      This isn't to say AC is all good, as other posters point out it is over used in the US, but that doesn't reduce its importance.

  30. Big deal for the south by colmore · · Score: 2

    The air conditioner completely changed the south every bit as much as the cotton gin did 100 years prior.

    Before AC the only people who could tolerate southern weather were those unfortunate enough to have been born there. It's only after AC that you see the large migrations from the north that enabled large cities such as Atlanta to develop. Only after AC does the south start to economically resemble the rest of the country.

    In turn, AC also helped destroy the south as a region. That migration of money and people from other places fueled the suburbanization of the region, all but wiping out its regional identity in a sea of highways and Burger Kings.

    Just reflecting on this as I sit in a 65 degree room in the middle of a 95 degree summer.

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    1. Re:Big deal for the south by colmore · · Score: 2

      Yes, the Civil War, and more to the point, the period of reconstruction afterwards crushed the south's economy. AC and the economic migration after WW2 (another big factor) made the economy un-depressed.

      Prior to the influx of new people, businesses, and capital, the south was completely unfit for any sort of post-agrarian economy.

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  31. It made living in the US Southwest possible, too by MtViewGuy · · Score: 2

    If it weren't for air conditioning, you can forget about living in the US Southwest.

    Can you imagine large scale cities in Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, and the interior of California without air conditioning? I didn't think so. Especially in the summer these parts of the US can zoom well over 40 degrees C. easily.

  32. important in submarines -now- by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 3, Interesting

    AC was also an important feature of the U.S. Navy's fleet submarines in World War II

    I was a crew member of one a few years ago. We could stay submerged for weeks or months. Air conditioning was pretty vital. We had two huge R-114 units. Man, it got hot during drills involving loss of non-vital electrical loads ...

  33. Wrong by Zapdos · · Score: 2

    The fist use of conditioned air was by the army corps. of engineers for the short bed stay of ABRAHAM LINCOLN after receiving his fatal shot. They used blocks of ice in a trough that drained down through strips of cloth, into a drain trough. A fan was used to force air through the cold cloth strips.

  34. A pre-air conditioning cooling idea by MtViewGuy · · Score: 2

    A little tidbit about keeping cool in summer: before the widespread use of air conditioners, in many parts of the Mojave Desert in California they built special buildings nicknamed submarines to keep people cool.

    This is how author John R. Signor described the original submarine building design in his book Beaumont Hill (Copyright 1990 Golden West Books, ISBN 0-87095-105-X):

    This unusual contraption was roughly man-sized. It had a hood of galvanized steel that rolled back over a bed, similar to a rolltop desk. It contained a built-in trough that held 20 gallons of water with a blanket covering the hood. A sleeper would get inside and pull the hood down over the bed. Then he opened a valve that allowed water to drop from perforated pipes, which would saturate the blanket. The evaporation cooled the steel hood and the inside of the chamber. The outside temperature might register 130 degrees, but inside [Bob] Richardson's bed, the air was a comfortable 70 degrees.

    Developed by Southern Pacific railroad engineer Bob Richardson 1906, submarines became an extremely popular way to keep cool in the summer, especially in the Mojave Desert. Richardson in 1922 developed a larger version that could hold larger beds and a even a small desk or nightstand.

    Submarines, however, had one big downside: they didn't work well in high humidity environments. That mean these structures weren't so useful during the later summer when rains coming from the Pacific Ocean southwest of the Mojave Desert were common (usually the remanants of hurricanes that spawn off the Pacific coast of Mexico).

    The development of modern air conditioning essentially ended the age of submarines, mostly because air conditioners continued to cool even in higher humidity conditions of later summer desert monsoon rains that occurred in the Mojave Desert.

  35. Slashdot can to better than this... by Mulletproof · · Score: 2

    So when do we get the anniversery story on the toaster? The refrigerator? The vacuume cleaner? Oh, I know! Indoor plumbing! That's gotta be on par with air conditioning, right?

    ~Sigh~ Imagine a beowolf cluster of those. 9_9

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  36. Another Media cockup... by budalite · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually, the inventor of Air-Conditioning was a doctor in Florida back in 1830's, who wanted to prevent his patients form breathing of swamp gas, which he thought was the cause of malaria. Dr. John Gorrie , "a doctor at the U.S. Marine Hospital in Apalachicola in the 1830s who was looking for a way to lower the fevers of malaria patients, is credited as the inventor of air conditioning -- and his legacy has changed life in Florida and just about everywhere else in America. (I remembered this from watching the ole BBC show, "Connections".) Gorrie started experimenting with cooling air in the 1830s, when he hung buckets of ice from the ceiling and forced air over them, according to Raymond Arsenault, a history professor at the University of South Florida who has studied air conditioning's impact on the South. Later he used a steam-driven compressor to cool air, which led to the first patent for an ice-making machine in 1851." Cool, huh?

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  37. Largest AC ever built? by macdaddy · · Score: 2

    It was built for the construction of Hoover dam. The dam slowly went up in 8 foot sections to allow time for each section to cure and cool before putting more concrete on top of it. It was calculated that if the dam had been poured at once in one big pour (yeah, impossible but they calculated it), it would have taken 125 years to cure. Set aside the fact that the concrete would have been extremely fragile... Ah the joys of the Discover Channel. Gotta love it.

  38. Re:I live in Amherst Buffalo by Misch · · Score: 2

    Amherst is where the rich people live
    You're thinking East Amherst (West Egg, Nouveau Riche). West Amherst isn't all that rich.

    The nice thing about Buffalo is that the temperature has never been recorded at 100 degrees or higher.

    On the other hand, it's not the heat, it's the humidity that will kill you.

    All things considered in Buffalo, you don't get hurricanes, you don't get mudslides, you don't get forest fires, you don't have all these things to worry about. You just have to worry about snowfall and the impossible Canadian invasion force ;-)

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  39. Re:It made living in the US Southwest possible, to by beertopia · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I live in Minnesota now, but grew up in various parts of Arizona, and as long as you're not in Phoenix, you can get by just fine with swamp coolers, which I like a lot better, 'cos it keeps some moisture in the air. That doesn't work in Phoenix, which is way more humid than you'd think, so there you *need* airconditioning.
    And so, by following a regimen that involves never being outside in the summer for more than a couple of minutes, driving from your airconditioned house with its irrigated lawn, to your airconditioned office park over by the golfcourse, or to the restaurant in the mall, you can move straight to Phoenix from Kansas and never realize you're in the desert at all. Whether that's a good or bad thing I'll leave up to someone less cranky than I feel at the moment.

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  40. Re:I live in Amherst Buffalo by Misch · · Score: 2

    ctually, I would even :%s/Williamsville/East Amherst/... Williamsvilel is where all the middle class retirees are. The "nouveau riche" are in East Amherst, and now moving out to Clarence, and Lancaster to go create more suburban sprawl.

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  41. A/C in cars by Peyna · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While working at a General Motors truck plant last summer I noticed that nearly every truck we built had an air conditioner and a radio except for the ones we sent to Mexico. You would think somewhere as hot as mexico they would want A/C. At first I thought this was because nobody down there could afford it, but then I realized it's because they are more adapted to living in the heat than we are. IIRC most buildings in Mexico don't have A/C, but nobody really cares either.

    Maybe all of us in the states like our A/C so much because most of us came from parts of Europe where it is a bit cooler most of the year than it is here.

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  42. I live in Houston, TX by sckeener · · Score: 2

    and I survived without AC for 9 years (so did my wife - gosh I love her.) For those not from Houston or ever been to hell, temps range only in the upper 90s, but with a 90% humidity! All year long we live and breath water. Before the 1950s, Houston had a thriving swim club culture. Now? It is a fringe sport at best (I am a swimmer.)

    In the past when I didn't have AC, my pc died regularly due to over heating and I didn't have many people over (there is a limit to how little clothing you can wear!)

    Now that I live in AC, I've gained 35 pounds (155 lbs.) Friends visit my house. I can't tolerate sever heat any more. I can still tolerate temps higher than my friends (I like it in the 80s,) but I can't tolerate temps in the 90s.

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  43. And don't forget the Congress by JThaddeus · · Score: 2

    Air conditioning has also made it possible for the US Congress to be in session all year long. Time was they disappeared from D.C. in early June and came back in October. Now they are here most all year long. Is that necessarily a good thing?

    And think of the poor Brits at their embassy in D.C.--they used to get topical duty pay!

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  44. Build it into new developments by swb · · Score: 2

    It certainly seems inefficient to retrofit it into existing homes and homesites -- digging, plumbing, etc etc.

    But what about *new* construction of subdivisions? This crossed my mind the last time I went to suburbia -- the development I was in had for every group of houses a pond/wetland pretty much in the center around them. What if you made this water feature a part of the geothermal cooling process when you built everything?

    The return water from the houses could be pumped into a fountain (gaining evaporative cooling) and the supply water could be taken from the cooler water at the bottom; presumably a non-trivial amount of cooling would be done on the buried portions running to/from the houses.

    This would in effect be not much different from the huge evaporative cooling towers that supply chilled water to the downtown buildings around me. It would add a "pretty" water feature to the homes around it and it wouldn't be astronomical to build since there'd already be tons of digging going on.

    The downside would be that it wouldn't do anything for heat in the winter and the water would presumably require some serious filtration to keep the water systems functioning. I'm not terribly clear on the amount of water it would take to keep such a system for 10, 2500 sq ft houses cool in 90+ degree weather. It'd be a drag if the pond was too small and the water got too warm; perhaps burying a large loop beneath the pond for the supply side would add some cooling to it.

  45. Re:I live in Amherst Buffalo by liquidsin · · Score: 2

    Nice. It's cool to see how many people here actually live right around the corner from you. I live in Fort Erie, but I work in Buffalo. And looking at the posts on this story, there are quite a few WNY folk hanging around. BTW, feel free to come over for the ballet anytime you like, just try not to clog up the bridge like the bingo grannies do. *sigh*

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  46. Re:I live in Amherst Buffalo by Misch · · Score: 2

    Yeah... if you go to a Buffalo Sabres hockey game and they're playing the New York Islanders, it's practically an away game for the Sabres. Of course, the same thing can be said for a game against Toronto, but at least Toronto riles the Buffalonians up enough to cheer extra loud for their team.

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  47. But not at MFA Boston? by swb · · Score: 2

    A big benefit of air conditioning is a huge boon to museums. Works of art and historical items are much more easily preserved in temperature/humidity controlled environments that air conditioning systems provide.

    We went to the MFA in Boston 2-3 years ago in the summer and I was kind of appalled at the lack of A/C in vast stretches of the museum, including the furniture and decorative arts wings. I'm sure paintings benefit greatly from stable environments, but the wood furniture REALLY benefits from not constantly warping the summer and contracting in the winter.

    Although one could reason that most of the furniture made prior to the invention of A/C had been naturally subject to that and the woodworkers of the era built a lot of floating joints that could tolerate it, but its got to be hard on the laminates and inlays.

  48. Re:It made living in the US Southwest possible, to by colmore · · Score: 2

    I've been to the southwest, it isn't so bad.

    I grew up in Louisiana, it's nightmareish.

    Dry heat isn't too much of a problem as long as you keep drinking water. When the humidity approaches saturation, you can't sweat, and your body creates an insulating film of perspiration. It's much easier to have a heat related health crises in 90 degree weather in the swamp than in 105 degree weather in the desert.

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  49. Sounds like rubbish to me by Smilodon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Disclaimer: I live in Florida

    It's in the hotel's best interest to have you use as little air conditioning as possible. I have stayed lots of places around here, and NEVER found one that doesn't allow you to turn off the AC. Not to mention that if you open the windows/doors in most of them, a switch will turn off the AC. This is law (or at least some sort of regulation) in some counties in Florida.

    So, the "I couldn't turn off the AC in my room" argument sounds a little bogus.

    The reason that large conference rooms in hotels during conferences are often too cold has more to dealing with large numbers of people than a desire to have a room be too cold.

    If you've ever set up at one of these shows you will know that it's freezing when there only a few people in the stadium-sized room, but still can get pretty hot when there are thousands in there. You must pre-cool the room for the max crowd well beforehand, due to the size of the room.

    It's a limitation of the technology (and thermodynamics to some extent) that no number of windows being open or insulation will cure. Sorry...

    Again, it's to the economic advantage of the bill-payers of the gigantic room, to keep it as warm as possible. They aren't trying to freeze you out.

    Finally, who would be more used to the extremely warm temperatures here in the summer, residents or northern tourists? It's you lot that demand the "ideal" temperatures inside every building that relate to northern European climes. Don't piss on us for giving you what you want, unfortunately it's our job as a tourist mecca.

    And coming from someplace like Finland (apparently) to the tropics and then blaming the AC being too cold (compared to Finland?) as the cause of your illness, shows a fair ignorance of Biology and international travel.

    Speaking as someone who apparently has a brain the size of a walnut, I'm disappointed that you "large brained" foreigners couldn't whine better than that. You do it with olympic caliber when you come over here, that's for sure.

    Ok Finland, we'll turn off the AC in the summer, you turn off the heat in winter!

    (cultural bigots come from all over, not just the USA)

  50. Who would have thought? by Torgo's+Pizza · · Score: 2

    It may have been invented in Buffalo, but it was invented by a Texan. Air conditioning is the only thing that makes living in Houston or Dallas bearable in summer.

  51. Re:Thanks Mr. Carrier!! by ncc74656 · · Score: 2
    Refridgeration has come a long way since ammonia was used as the refridgerant.

    Don't they still use it in larger systems? The A/C in your car and your home runs on Freon (or the PC replacements that have been devised in the past decade or so), but I thought that stuff didn't scale up to larger cooling needs.

    It's also used in gas-powered refrigerators and such, like you might see aboard RVs, boats, etc...you boil the ammonia out of the water, cool the water through one radiator while you condense the ammonia back into a liquid, then you bring the two back together and fear the coldness. :-)

    Years ago (well, early-to-mid-'90s anyway), I read some discussions about how this would be the most likely way you'd want to set up solar-powered air conditioning...it'd ultimately be a cheap way to keep cool here in the desert southwest. (It'd be cheaper than what Nevada Power wants to charge for power, anyway.)

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  52. zerg by Lord+Omlette · · Score: 2

    My parents day in and day out wonder why I don't turn on the A/C in my room. I tell them that if you don't try to freeze yourself indoors, then when you go outdoors the heat won't seem so unbearable. But they keep on asking why I do it, as if my explanation isn't good enough. So (on those rare occasions when family members are home together) while everyone is complaining about how hot it is, I'm lounging, because it doesn't bother me.

    Granted, the 80-90F we're getting in Jersey probably isn't remotely as bad as what those guys are getting South & West of us, but hey.

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  53. Whining about A/C by rabtech · · Score: 2

    I don't know why all you non-US people are whining about our use of A/C :)

    First of all, modern architects are VERY aware of how to build houses to be more naturally cool. Things like extra insulation in the attic, double-paned windows, etc can help keep the house better insulated.

    This translates into a lower electric bill, which is a major concern. In fact, we are looking at getting another couple of inches of insulation blown into the attic in this house to help cut down on the amount of time we have to run the A/C.

    Also note that all modern A/C systems use R-134a, which has about -zero- negative effects on the environment. Granted, it takes time to switch everything over, but it is happening.

    A/C has changed the way we live. There is no sense in wishing it hadn't, because it is here to stay. Much better to make the best of the situation, with more energy-efficient units and houses with better insulation.

    *P.S. temperature has nothing to do with 'catching a cold', as some posters here have seemed to imply. A cold is a virus.

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  54. A Great Man by Betelgeuse · · Score: 2

    As far as I'm concerned, air conditioning is the SINGLE GREATEST INVENTION OF THE 20TH CENTURY. Yes. I know this is /. so I should be singing the praises of Linux, but I would willingly hand over my computer; they'd have to rip my A/C from my cold, dead hands.

    Of course, if I were back in the Bay Area (where I'm orignially from), I may feel differently (I'm in the northeast now).

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  55. Not 100 years until 1906 by Animats · · Score: 2

    Air conditioning, as opposed to refrigeration, dates from 1911, when Willis Carrier published his famous paper Rational Psychrometric Formulae. Carrier showed how both air temperature and humidity could be controlled simultaneously. Previous cooling systems mostly controlled temperature, usually at the expense of humidity control. Carrier put the basic theory underneath the technology, which took it from one-off demonstration systems to a usable technology.

  56. California too.... by billstewart · · Score: 2

    I live in a condo with nice high ceilings, lots of open space and airflow, and don't need or miss air conditioning (though we've got one room a/c downstairs that we've never used.) I spend more on heat in the winter time than I ever did in New Jersey, where we had real winter. (Half of that is because I've got electric heat - the place was built in the mid 70s, and doesn't have much insulation, either.)

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