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mvdwege writes "It appears that Forbes is doing a Linux Special. Lots of nice articles showing off the state of the art in Linux development today. It's nice to see Linux get some good mainstream press without hype or FUD. A very objective treatment that might definitely make some people think."
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IMHO, it was at first unusual for Linux to be given credit in the "real" OS stakes: I remember the first time I saw Linux in the UK, on a Computer Shopper cover CD. I can't remember what the distribution was, but it was incredibly flaky.
However, what Linux has proved, more than anything else, is not that Linux is a viable OS, but, far more importantly, that Open Source developments are a viable option for companies these days.
It will be interesting to see if, ultimately, businesses do perform a complete about-turn on their strategies and, rather than going for licensed software, with maintence contracts etc., have maintenance in-house for software which, for the most part, has a bug patch written for it before the user finds the bug.
Like car accidents, most hardware problems are due to driver error.
Lots of nice articles showing off the state of the art in Linux development today.
I don't think that the target market for _Forbes_ is too interested in the development of software. They're probably more interested in the fact that "Open Source" based companies are dropping like flies these days.
I wonder how much longer VA Pastries and Sundries has left.
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- Broken moderation system, The whole point is to sort the gems from the crap, yet a lot of posts designed to make a LIVELY DISCUSSION are MODERATED as flamebait! Come on, not everyone likes X, but just because some one bashes it dosent mean its Flamebait. Flame bait is more useful for DIRECT INSULTS and not legitmate discussions.
The "troll" moderation reason is fragmented and broken, why? Because they are trying to use an obsolete usenet term on a realtime discussion, "trolls" can cover a huge blanket of ideas.- Crapfloods, a meaningless flood of random letters or text, which the lameness filter does a crappy job at trying to stop, besides trolls have written tools using the opensource slashcode to generate crapfloods which bypass the filter
- Links to offensive websites, the most common one is known a http://www.goatse.cx, a awful site which shows a bleeding anus being stretched on the front page. Trolls sneak these links in by posting messages that look legitimate, but infact are sneaky redirects to the site. Common examples include rd.yahoo.com, www.linux-kernel.tk, goatsex.cjb.net, and googles "Im feeling lucky".
- Trying to break slashdot, this is actually a good thing, as it helps test slashdot for bugs. Famous examples include the goatse.cx javascript pop-up, the pagewidening post and the browser crashing post!
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My Favourite quote from one of the articles was I do disagree with what they are saying though, MSFT does have a Linux Strategy, but there strategy is to obliterate it.
What better way of demonstrating this than by looking at the hidden messages contained within the names of some of Linux's most outspoken advocates:
I'm sure that Eric S. Raymond, composer of the satanic homosexual propaganda diatribe The Cathedral and the Bizarre, is probably an anagram of something queer, but we don't need to look that far as we know he's always shoving a gun up some poor little boy's rectum. Update: Eric S. Raymond is actually an anagram for secondary rim and cord in my arse. It just goes to show you that he is indeed queer.
Update the Second: It is also documented that Evil Sicko Gaymond is responsible for a nauseating piece of code called Fetchmail, which is obviously sinister sodomite slang for 'Felch Male' -- a disgusting practise. For those not in the know, 'felching' is the act performed by two perverts wherein one sucks their own post-coital ejaculate out of the other's rectum. In fact, it appears that the dirty Linux faggots set out to undermine the good Republican institution of e-mail, turning it into 'e-male.'
As far as Richard 'Master' Stallman goes, that filthy fudge-packer was actually quoted on leftist commie propaganda site Salon.com as saying the following: 'I've been resistant to the pressure to conform in any circumstance,' he says. 'It's about being able to question conventional wisdom,' he asserts. 'I believe in love, but not monogamy,' he says plainly.
And this isn't a made up troll bullshit either! He actually stated this tripe, which makes it obvious that he is trying to politely say that he's a flaming homo slut!
Speaking about 'flaming,' who better to point out as a filthy chutney ferret than Slashdot's very own self-confessed pederast Jon Katz. Although an obvious deviant anagram cannot be found from his name, he has already confessed, nay boasted of the homosexual perversion of corrupting the innocence of young children. To quote from the article linked:
'I've got a rare kidney disease,' I told her. 'I have to go to the bathroom a lot. You can come with me if you want, but it takes a while. Is that okay with you? Do you want a note from my doctor?'
Is this why you were touching your penis in the cinema, Jon? And letting the other boys touch it too?
We should also point out that Jon Katz refers to himself as 'Slashdot's resident Gasbag.' Is there any more doubt? For those fortunate few who aren't aware of the list of homosexual terminology found inside the Linux 'Sauce Code,' a 'Gasbag' is a pervert who gains sexual gratification from having a thin straw inserted into his urethra (or to use the common parlance, 'piss-pipe'), then his homosexual lover blows firmly down the straw to inflate his scrotum. This is, of course, when he's not busy violating the dignity and copyright of posters to Slashdot by gathering together their postings and publishing them en masse to further his twisted and manipulative journalistic agenda.
Sick, disgusting antichristian perverts, the lot of them.
In addition, many of the Linux distributions (a 'distribution' is the most common way to spread the faggots' wares) are run by faggot groups. The Slackware distro is named after the 'Slack-wear' fags wear to allow easy access to the anus for sexual purposes. Furthermore, Slackware is a close anagram of claw arse, a reference to the homosexual practise of anal fisting. The Mandrake product is run by a group of French faggot satanists, and is named after the faggot nickname for the vibrator. It was also chosen because it is an anagram for dark amen and ram naked, which is what they do.
Another 'distro,' (abbrieviated as such because it sounds a bit like 'Disco,' which is where homosexuals preyed on young boys in the 1970s), is Debian, an anagram of in a bed, which could be considered innocent enough (after all, a bed is both where we sleep and pray), until we realise what other names Debian uses to describe their foul wares. 'Woody' is obvious enough, being a term for the erect male penis, glistening with pre-cum. But far sicker is the phrase 'Frozen Potato' that they use. This filthy term, again found in the secret homosexual 'Sauce Code,' refers to the solo homosexual practice of defecating into a clear polythene bag, shaping the turd into a crude approximation of the male phallus, then leaving it in the freezer overnight until it becomes solid. The practitioner then proceeds to push the frozen 'potato' up his own rectum, squeezing it in and out until his tight young balls erupt in a screaming orgasm.
And Red Hat is secret homo slang for the tip of a penis that is soaked in blood from a freshly violated underage ringpiece.
The fags have even invented special tools to aid their faggotry! For example, the 'supermount' tool was devised to allow deeper penetration, which is good for fags because it gives more pressure on the prostate gland. 'Automount' is used, on the other hand, because Linux users are all fat and gay, and need to mount each other automatically.
The depths of their depravity can be seen in their use of 'mount points.' These are, plainly speaking, the different points of penetration. The main one is obviously
More evidence is in the fact that Linux users say how much they love `man`, even going so far as to say that all new Linux users (who are in fact just innocent heterosexuals indoctrinated by the gay propaganda) should try out `man`. In no other system do users boast of their frequent recourse to a man.
Other areas of the system also show Linux's inherit gayness. For example, people are often told of the 'FAQ,' but how many innocent heterosexual Windows users know what this actually means. The answer is shocking: Faggot Anal Quest: the voyage of discovery for newly converted fags!
Even the title 'Slashdot' originally referred to a homosexual practice. Slashdot of course refers to the popular gay practice of blood-letting. The Slashbots, of course are those super-zealous homosexuals who take this perversion to its extreme by ripping open their anuses, as seen on the site most popular with Slashdot users, the depraved work of Satan, http://www.eff.org/.
The editors of Slashdot also have homosexual names: 'Hemos' is obvious in itself, being one vowel away from 'Homos.' But even more sickening is 'Commander Taco' which sounds a bit like 'Commode in Taco,' filthy gay slang for a pair of spreadeagled buttocks that are caked with excrement. (The best form of lubrication, they insist.) Sometimes, these 'Taco Commodes' have special 'Salsa Sauce' (blood from a ruptured rectum) and 'Cheese' (rancid flakes of penis discharge) toppings. And to make it even worse, Slashdot runs on Apache!
The Apache server, whose use among fags is as prevalent as AIDS, is named after homosexual activity -- as everyone knows, popular faggot band, the Village People, featured an Apache Indian, and it is for him that this gay program is named.
And that's not forgetting the use of patches in the Linux fag world -- patches are used to make the anus accessible for repeated anal sex even after its rupture by a session of fisting.
To summarise: Linux is gay. 'Slash -- Dot' is the graphical description of the space between a young boy's scrotum and anus. And BeOS is for hermaphrodites and disabled 'stumpers.'
FEEDBACK
Well, the only reason I know all about this is because I had the misfortune to read the Linux 'Sauce code' once. Although publicised as the computer code needed to get Linux up and running on a computer (and haven't you always been worried about the phrase 'Monolithic Kernel'?), this foul document is actually a detailed and graphic description of every conceivable degrading perversion known to the human race, as well as a few of the major animal species. It has shocked and disturbed me, to the point of needing to shock and disturb the common man to warn them of the impending homo-calypse which threatens to engulf our planet.
Doesn't it give you a hard-on to imagine your thick strong poker ramming it's way up my most sacred of sphincters? You're beyond help, my friend, as the only thing you can imagine is the foul penetrative violation of another man. Are you sure you're not Eric Raymond? The government, being populated by limp-wristed liberals, could never stem the sickening tide of homosexual child molesting Linux advocacy. Hell, they've given NAMBLA free reign for years!
Thank you for your kind words of support. However, this document shall only ever be posted anonymously. This is because the 'Open Sauce' movement is a sham, proposing homoerotic cults of hero worshipping in the name of freedom. I speak for the common man. For any man who prefers the warm, enveloping velvet folds of a woman's vagina to the tight puckered ringpiece of a child. These men, being common, decent folk, don't have a say in the political hypocrisy that is Slashdot culture. I am the unknown liberator.
We shouldn't hate them, we should pity them for the misguided fools they are... Fanatical Linux zeal-outs need to be herded into camps for re-education and subsequent rehabilitation into normal heterosexual society. This re-education shall be achieved by forcing them to watch repeats of Baywatch until the very mention of Pamela Anderson causes them to fill their pants with healthy heterosexual jism.
Well, it just goes to show that even the holy Linux 'sauce code' is riddled with bugs that need fixing. (The irony of Jon Katz not even being able to inflate his scrotum correctly has not been lost on me.) The Linux pervert elite already acknowledge this, with their queer slogan: 'Given enough arms, all rectums are shallow.' And anyway, the PS2 sucks major cock and isn't worth the money. Intellivision forever!
For one thing, whilst Linux is a cavalcade of queer propaganda masquerading as the future of computing, NT is used by people who think nothing better of encasing their genitals in quick setting plaster then going to see a really dirty porno film, enjoying the restriction enforced onto them. Remember, a wasted arousal is a sin in the eyes of the Catholic church. Clearly, the only god-fearing Christian operating system in existence is CP/M -- The Christian Program Monitor. All computer users should immediately ask their local pastor to install this fine OS onto their systems. It is the only route to salvation.
Secondly, this message is for every man. Computers know no colour. Not only that, but one of the finest websites in the world is maintained by a Black Man . Now fuck off you racist donkey felcher.
Although there is nothing unholy about the fine heterosexual act of ejaculating between a woman's breasts, squirting one's load up towards her neck and chin area, it should be noted that Perl (standing for Pansies Entering Rectums Locally) is also close to 'Pearl Monocle,' 'Pearl Nosering,' and the ubiquitous 'Pearl Enema.'
One scary thing about Perl is that it contains hidden homosexual messages. Take the following code: LWP::Simple -- It looks innocuous enough, doesn't it? But look at the line closely: There are two colons next to each other! As Larry 'Balls to the' Wall would openly admit in the Perl Documentation, Perl was designed from the ground up to indoctrinate it's programmers into performing unnatural sexual acts -- having two colons so closely together is clearly a reference to the perverse sickening act of 'colon kissing,' whereby two homosexual queers spread their buttocks wide, pressing their filthy torn sphincters together. They then share small round objects like marbles or golfballs by passing them from one rectum to another using muscle contraction alone. This is also referred to in programming 'circles' as 'Parameter Passing.'
And PHP stands for Perverted Homosexual Penetration. Didn't you know?
Well, I don't know about terraforming Mars, but I do know that homosexual Linux Advocates have been probing Uranus for years.
*sniff* That brings a tear to my eye. Thank you once more for your kind support. I have taken faith in the knowledge that I am doing the Good Lord's work, but it is encouraging to know that I am helping out the common man here.
However, I should be cautious about revealing your name 'Cerberus' on such a filthy den of depravity as Slashdot. It is a well known fact that the 'Kerberos' documentation from Microsoft is a detailed manual describing, in intimate, exacting detail, how to sexually penetrate a variety of unwilling canine animals; be they domesticated, wild, or mythical. Slashdot posters have taken great pleasure in illegally spreading this documentation far and wide, treating it as an 'extension' to the Linux 'Sauce Code,' for the sake of 'interoperability.' (The slang term they use for nonconsensual intercourse -- their favourite kind.)
In fact, sick twisted Linux deviants are known to have LAN parties, (Love of Anal Naughtiness, needless to say.), wherein they entice a stray dog, known as the 'Samba Mount,' into their homes. Up to four of these filth-sodden blasphemers against nature take turns to plunge their erect, throbbing, uncircumcised members, conkers-deep, into the rectum, mouth, and other fleshy orifices of the poor animal. Eventually, the 'Samba Mount' collapses due to 'overload,' and needs to be 'rebooted.' (i.e., kicked out into the street, and left to fend for itself.) Many Linux users boast about their 'uptime' in such situations.
If only indeed. You can help our brave cause by moderating this message up as often as possible. I recommend '+1, Underrated,' as that will protect your precious Karma in Metamoderation. Only then can we break through the glass ceiling of Homosexual Slashdot Culture. Is it any wonder that the new version of Slashcode has been christened 'Bender'???
If we can get just one of these postings up to at least '+1,' then it will be archived forever! Others will learn of our struggle, and join with us in our battle for freedom!
I am compelled to document the foulness and carnal depravity that is Linux, in order that we may prepare ourselves for the great holy war that is to follow. It is my solemn duty to peel back the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wire brush of enlightenment.
I could make an arrogant, childish comment along the lines of 'Every time someone asks for 2.0, I won't release it for another 24 hours,' but the truth of the matter is that I'm quite nervous of releasing a 'number two,' as I can guarantee some filthy shit-slurping Linux pervert would want to suck it straight out of my anus before I've even had chance to wipe.
I sincerely hope you're Natalie Portman.
What the fuck?
Well bugger me!
Fuck right off!
IMPORTANT: This message needs to be heard (Not HURD, which is an acronym for 'Huge Unclean Rectal Dilator') across the whole community, so it has been released into the Public Domain. You know, that licence that we all had before those homoerotic crypto-fascists came out with the GPL (Gay Penetration License) that is no more than an excuse to see who's got the biggest feces-encrusted cock. I would have put this up on Freshmeat, but that name is known to be a euphemism for the tight rump of a young boy.
Come to think of it, the whole concept of 'Source Control' unnerves me, because it sounds a bit like 'Sauce Control,' which is a description of the homosexual practice of holding the base of the cock shaft tightly upon the point of ejaculation, thus causing a build up of semenal fluid that is only released upon entry into an incision made into the base of the receiver's scrotum. And 'Open Sauce' is the act of ejaculating into another mans face or perhaps a biscuit to be shared later. Obviously, 'Closed Sauce' is the only Christian thing to do, as evidenced by the fact that it is what Cathedrals are all about.
Contributors: (although not to the eternal game of 'soggy biscuit' that open 'sauce' development has become) Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, phee, Anonymous Coward, mighty jebus, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, double_h, Anonymous Coward, Eimernase, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward. Further contributions are welcome.
Current changes: This version sent to FreeWIPO by 'Bring BackATV' as plain text. Reformatted everything, added all links back in (that we could match from the previous version), many new ones (Slashbot bait links). Even more spelling fixed. Who wrote this thing, CmdrTaco himself?
Previous changes: Yet more changes added. Spelling fixed. Feedback added. Explanation of 'distro' system. 'Mount Point' syntax described. More filth regarding `man` and Slashdot. Yet more fucking spelling fixed. 'Fetchmail' uncovered further. More Slashbot baiting. Apache exposed. Distribution licence at foot of document.
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I've been following the Forbes series for the last few days. It's nice to read some rational, non-baised information about Linux in a respected publication like Forbes.
But since Forbes is an US publication, and there doesn't seem to be anything done is the USA that doesn't have something to do with promoting some company's agenda, I have to wonder if Forbes has a alerior motive for publishing this? Is Forbes owned by someone who doesn't like Bill Gates, for instance? Or who has shares in Red Hat? It is so uncommon to come across truly unbiased factual information in the US press these days I find it hard to believe that there isn't something behind this...
The title on that page says "Forbes: The Cult of Linux (2 of 6)" What does that say about it?
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This is definately a first and really a great achievement... and the goal now is to sustain linux rather that develop!
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The articles were interesting... Linux is becoming a more commmerialized OS. This is a good thing (TM), since I can go to my boss and argue a good case to use linux; since I can get commerial support.
For all those who think its a bad thing (TM), the beauty of open source is that you can create your own homebrew (TM) distro.
Accentuate the positive, don't waste your mod points on the negative.
This is a far cry from what MSNBC reported not too long ago about Linux failing as an OS. It's nice to see a *credible* news source fill in an objective series of articles, and not just print anything that Redmond dictates.
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I don't know how an article called Cult of Linux at Frobes rates unbiased coveraged and even reporting..
Maybe the orginal poster has eye sight problems..
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Actually reading through the articles (Shock!) gives a very positive image of Linux and the various Linux projects overall. Galeon, Gaim, even Pine, have all got nice, positive reviews. KDE take a bit of a kicking, but then its a review, and someone has be the winner!
Some hackers out there might want to take note of the sorts of things the Forbes reviewers found important; things like a clear user interface that doesn't shove big, glossy, eye-candy in your face, basically. They all rate intuitive, uncluttered user interfaces as a priority.
Oh, and before anyone starts flaming about "Point and drool" or some other nonsense along those lines; remember that they liked Pine.
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Forbes gets their info from /.? I quote:
"(Full disclosure: VA Software owns OSDN, whose Slashdot Web site provides tech news to Forbes.com.)"
In the next issue, "Exploring hostile takeovers and hot grits"...
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- Broken moderation system, The whole point is to sort the gems from the crap, yet a lot of posts designed to make a LIVELY DISCUSSION are MODERATED as flamebait! Come on, not everyone likes X, but just because some one bashes it dosent mean its Flamebait. Flame bait is more useful for DIRECT INSULTS and not legitmate discussions.
The "troll" moderation reason is fragmented and broken, why? Because they are trying to use an obsolete usenet term on a realtime discussion, "trolls" can cover a huge blanket of ideas.- Crapfloods, a meaningless flood of random letters or text, which the lameness filter does a crappy job at trying to stop, besides trolls have written tools using the opensource slashcode to generate crapfloods which bypass the filter
- Links to offensive websites, the most common one is known a http://www.goatse.cx, a awful site which shows a bleeding anus being stretched on the front page. Trolls sneak these links in by posting messages that look legitimate, but infact are sneaky redirects to the site. Common examples include rd.yahoo.com, www.linux-kernel.tk, goatsex.cjb.net, and googles "Im feeling lucky".
- Trying to break slashdot, this is actually a good thing, as it helps test slashdot for bugs. Famous examples include the goatse.cx javascript pop-up, the pagewidening post and the browser crashing post!
Subnet banning, this bans a user unless they email jamie macarthy with their mp5ed ipids. This is unfair, and banning a subnet BLOCKS A WHOLE ISP SOMETIMES, and not that individual user! This can cause chaos! But real trolls use annoymous proxys to get around this so THIS JUST BANS LEGITMATE USERS!But, the issue that concerens us the most, is the COMMENT QUOTA. A discrimatory system that stiffles discussion, cripples the community and will ultimateley destroy slashdot unless it is removed!
We wan't these stupid useless restrictions REMOVED! This comment will be posted again and again until it does!
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Boycott slashdot, they are pissing over their community, they are becoming like the RIAA and MICROSOFT! Do NOT TOLERATE THIS SHIT! Here are some real news for nerds sites.
MSNBC
BBC NEWS
News.com
Linux online
Linux daily news network
Weird news from dailyrotten.com
Trollaxor, news for trolls, they are real people too!
CNN.com
New york times (free registration required)
LINUX.com
News forge
K5
Mandrake forum
Toms hardware
The register
Kde dot news
The linux kernel Archives
There are hundreds more, But this is where slashdot STEALS THE MAJORITY OF its "news" from.
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Rob malda
Jamie Macarthy
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Everybody read the part about cost and aggravation savings. Now read it again. Memorize it. Got it? Good. THAT is the angle to use with management. Not "freedom", not "evil empire", not "Windoze sucks". UPTIME + COST SAVINGS = MORE PROFITS. Show 'em the numbers (in Excel if necessary).
People seem surprised that Forbes would run a series such as this...
"(Full disclosure: VA Software owns OSDN, whose Slashdot Web site provides tech news to Forbes.com.) "
So this story is really more like some strange circle jerk, Slashdot provides the news to forbes.com, then links to forbes.com as if it is an independant source.
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- Unnessary posting delays. Hasnt taco learned to touch type? A lot of posts are typed in less than 20 seconds and it is a ANNOYING DELAY! 2 minute ban? Come on, so some are faster then others, big deal, some people have more to say than others
- Broken moderation system, The whole point is to sort the gems from the crap, yet a lot of posts designed to make a LIVELY DISCUSSION are MODERATED as flamebait! Come on, not everyone likes X, but just because some one bashes it dosent mean its Flamebait. Flame bait is more useful for DIRECT INSULTS and not legitmate discussions.
The "troll" moderation reason is fragmented and broken, why? Because they are trying to use an obsolete usenet term on a realtime discussion, "trolls" can cover a huge blanket of ideas.- Crapfloods, a meaningless flood of random letters or text, which the lameness filter does a crappy job at trying to stop, besides trolls have written tools using the opensource slashcode to generate crapfloods which bypass the filter
- Links to offensive websites, the most common one is known a http://www.goatse.cx, a awful site which shows a bleeding anus being stretched on the front page. Trolls sneak these links in by posting messages that look legitimate, but infact are sneaky redirects to the site. Common examples include rd.yahoo.com, www.linux-kernel.tk, goatsex.cjb.net, and googles "Im feeling lucky".
- Trying to break slashdot, this is actually a good thing, as it helps test slashdot for bugs. Famous examples include the goatse.cx javascript pop-up, the pagewidening post and the browser crashing post!
Subnet banning, this bans a user unless they email jamie macarthy with their mp5ed ipids. This is unfair, and banning a subnet BLOCKS A WHOLE ISP SOMETIMES, and not that individual user! This can cause chaos! But real trolls use annoymous proxys to get around this so THIS JUST BANS LEGITMATE USERS!But, the issue that concerens us the most, is the COMMENT QUOTA. A discrimatory system that stiffles discussion, cripples the community and will ultimateley destroy slashdot unless it is removed!
We wan't these stupid useless restrictions REMOVED! This comment will be posted again and again until it does!
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Linux Today has covered these pieces over the week. Interestingly, the piece about browsers on Linux was inexplicably missed. I refuse to think it's because Galeon came first, and Konqueror next to last in the comparison. A couple of attempts by me to alert the editors to the missing article have gone unheeded for _some_ reason, however.
Trust the Computer. The Computer is your friend.
Write more good software instead, adoption by the mainstream and the industry will follow automatically.
Allow me to rant for a while.
For example, if I were to make music, I'm stuck with Microsoft or Apple. Yeah yeah now people will say, there is software X and software Y which you should use. But guess what! The user interfaces generally suck, or the program is some 0.0.5 beta. So with a crashing beta you're better off using the other solutions explained earlier.
Something like Buzz for linux would be the ultimate bomb. Unfortunately GNU Octal seems to have died, at least the web site hasn't been updated for ages. CheeseTracker is good, but there aren't enough effects available. Also, it is mono.
So, for example those software look promising. But they really don't help you if you need the solution TODAY and not next year.
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Mostly it said things like "This is really great! No, it doesn't actually work, or do what you want, but it's really cool!"
Bit like slashdot, really.
Umm as I was going to read the article, thinking oh wow let's see some unbiased reporting, I read the title: The Cult of Linux!
I guess then I am a follower of RMS High Templar. So fear my wrath!
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Slashdot is using censorship! It is trying to eridicate free and open discussion like we know slashdot to be, it has the following RESTRICTIONS in place to Censor you
- Lameness filters (It blocks a lot of legitmate posts)
- Unnessary posting delays. Hasnt taco learned to touch type? A lot of posts are typed in less than 20 seconds and it is a ANNOYING DELAY! 2 minute ban? Come on, so some are faster then others, big deal, some people have more to say than others
- Broken moderation system, The whole point is to sort the gems from the crap, yet a lot of posts designed to make a LIVELY DISCUSSION are MODERATED as flamebait! Come on, not everyone likes X, but just because some one bashes it dosent mean its Flamebait. Flame bait is more useful for DIRECT INSULTS and not legitmate discussions.
The "troll" moderation reason is fragmented and broken, why? Because they are trying to use an obsolete usenet term on a realtime discussion, "trolls" can cover a huge blanket of ideas.- Crapfloods, a meaningless flood of random letters or text, which the lameness filter does a crappy job at trying to stop, besides trolls have written tools using the opensource slashcode to generate crapfloods which bypass the filter
- Links to offensive websites, the most common one is known a http://www.goatse.cx, a awful site which shows a bleeding anus being stretched on the front page. Trolls sneak these links in by posting messages that look legitimate, but infact are sneaky redirects to the site. Common examples include rd.yahoo.com, www.linux-kernel.tk, goatsex.cjb.net, and googles "Im feeling lucky".
- Trying to break slashdot, this is actually a good thing, as it helps test slashdot for bugs. Famous examples include the goatse.cx javascript pop-up, the pagewidening post and the browser crashing post!
Subnet banning, this bans a user unless they email jamie macarthy with their mp5ed ipids. This is unfair, and banning a subnet BLOCKS A WHOLE ISP SOMETIMES, and not that individual user! This can cause chaos! But real trolls use annoymous proxys to get around this so THIS JUST BANS LEGITMATE USERS!But, the issue that concerens us the most, is the COMMENT QUOTA. A discrimatory system that stiffles discussion, cripples the community and will ultimateley destroy slashdot unless it is removed!
We wan't these stupid useless restrictions REMOVED! This comment will be posted again and again until it does!
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Boycott slashdot, they are pissing over their community, they are becoming like the RIAA and MICROSOFT! Do NOT TOLERATE THIS SHIT! Here are some real news for nerds sites.
MSNBC
BBC NEWS
News.com
Linux online
Linux daily news network
Weird news from dailyrotten.com
Trollaxor, news for trolls, they are real people too!
CNN.com
New york times (free registration required)
LINUX.com
News forge
K5
Mandrake forum
Toms hardware
The register
Kde dot news
The linux kernel Archives
There are hundreds more, But this is where slashdot STEALS THE MAJORITY OF its "news" from.
Punish them, here are their emails, spam them, flame them goatse them!
Rob malda
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ChrisD
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The Forbes target audience will be very interested in anything that can cut costs for companies.
"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them." -- George H. W. Bush
Of course, we all know that pine is the least linux specific.
And all the apps featured run on at least UNIX....
Moral: Whatever Forbes does, it shouldn't do software reviews.
According to Linux legend, a revered teacher and researcher told Linus Torvalds that he "would not get a high grade" for his creation.
:) coming to Europe with Richard Stallman and Rick Rashid. :)
The "revered teacher and researcher" in question is Professor Andy Tanenbaum.
His book "Computer Network" is a bible in networking for many people. Yes, what he thought about Linux is proven wrong but we still respect him.
Btw, my favourite quote of the above conversation is:
"As an aside, for those folks who don't read news headers, Linus is in Finland and I am in The Netherlands. Are we reaching a situation where another critical industry, free software, that had been totally dominated by the U.S. is being taken over by the foreign competition? Will we soon see President Bush coming to Europe with Richard Stallman and Rick Rashid in tow, demanding that Europe import more American free software?"
It has already proven that there's an free OS(a software) that has not been totally dominated by U.S., we yet to see Bush(well, if not old Bush.
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Slashdot is using censorship! It is trying to eridicate free and open discussion like we know slashdot to be, it has the following <b>RESTRICTIONS</b> in place to <B>Censor you</b>
<UL>
<LI>Lameness filters (It blocks a lot of legitmate posts)
<LI>Unnessary posting delays. Hasnt taco learned to touch type? A lot of posts are typed in less than 20 seconds and it is a ANNOYING DELAY! 2 minute ban? Come on, so some are faster then others, big deal, some people have more to say than others</:LI>
<LI>Broken moderation system, The whole point is to sort the gems from the crap, yet a lot of posts designed to make a LIVELY DISCUSSION are MODERATED as flamebait! Come on, not everyone likes X, but just because some one bashes it dosent mean its Flamebait. Flame bait is more useful for DIRECT INSULTS and not legitmate discussions.
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The "troll" moderation reason is fragmented and broken, why? Because they are trying to use an obsolete usenet term on a realtime discussion, "trolls" can cover a huge blanket of ideas.
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<LI>Crapfloods, a meaningless flood of random letters or text, which the lameness filter does a crappy job at trying to stop, besides trolls have written tools using the opensource slashcode to generate crapfloods which bypass the filter</LI>
<LI>Links to offensive websites, the most common one is known a http://www.goatse.cx, a awful site which shows a bleeding anus being stretched on the front page. Trolls sneak these links in by posting messages that look legitimate, but infact are sneaky redirects to the site. Common examples include rd.yahoo.com, www.linux-kernel.tk, goatsex.cjb.net, and googles "Im feeling lucky".</LI>
<LI>Trying to break slashdot, this is actually a good thing, as it helps test slashdot for bugs. Famous examples include the goatse.cx javascript pop-up, the pagewidening post and the browser crashing post!
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Subnet banning, this bans a user unless they email jamie macarthy with their mp5ed ipids. This is unfair, and banning a subnet BLOCKS A WHOLE ISP SOMETIMES, and not that individual user! This can cause chaos! But real trolls use annoymous proxys to get around this so THIS JUST BANS LEGITMATE USERS!
But, the issue that concerens us the most, is the COMMENT QUOTA. A discrimatory system that stiffles discussion, cripples the community and will ultimateley destroy slashdot unless it is removed!
We wan't these stupid useless restrictions REMOVED! This comment will be posted again and again until it does!
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<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk">BBC NEWS</a>
<a href="http://news.com.com">News.com</a>
<a href="http://www.linux.org">Linux online</a>
<a href="http://www.linuxdailynews.net">Linux daily news network</a>
<a href="http://www.dailyrotten.com">Weird news from dailyrotten.com</a>
<a href="http://www.trollaxor.com">Trollaxor, news for trolls, they are real people too!</a>
<a href="http://www.cnn.com">CNN.com</a>
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com">New york times (free registration required)</a>
<a href="http://www.linux.com">LINUX.com</a>
<a href="http://www.newsforge.net">News forge</a>
<a href="http://www.kuro5hin.org">K5</a>
<a href="http://www.mandrakeforum.com">Mandrake forum</a>
<a href="http://www.tomshardware.com">Toms hardware</a>
<a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk">The register</a>
<a href="http://dot.kde.org">Kde dot news</a>
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It's nice to see Linux get some good mainstream press without hype or FUD.
And it would be nice to see a Linux or MS story not have posts using the term FUD - no-one else uses it you nerdy geeks - use proper words, its easy!
I really enjoyed this article. Although I consider myself somewhat of a Linux "guru," I actually learned a lot, if not about how Linux works, then about how it is perceived by those outside the community.
One thing that particularly struck me is Forbes' recommendation that "Linux not be depended on for mission-critical applications." In my business, I've always been willing to bet a lot on Linux's performance, and never (yet) been disappointed. After reading this article I may look into the offerings of Sun and HP, just to be on the safe side.
It goes to show, you can work in an industry for 20 years, and still learn something. I look forward to more informative articles from Forbes.
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Microsoft is helping me make the decision to look for alternatives, Roberts says.
I have no actual proof of the following statement, but is it possible that people view MS differently than pre law suit? Has a significant percentage of the population taken the view that Microsoft is a poster boy of Corporate America gone agro against consumers?
> mvdwege writes "It appears that Forbes is doing
> a Linux Special. Lots of nice articles showing
> off the state of the art in Linux development
> today. It's nice to see Linux get some good
> mainstream press without hype or FUD. A very
> objective treatment that might definitely make
> some people think."
Welcome indeed! Unlike the typical hype and FUD that IS Slashdot.
It appears that Slashdot is doing a Bumrape Special. Lots of nice articles showing off the state of the art in bumrape development today. It's nice to see bumrape get some good mainstream press without hype or FUD. A very objective treatment that might definitely make some people think about trying bumrape for the first time. Remember kids, the first inch is the worst!
from the web browser article:
Galeon is the Web browser created by Gnome, a part of the Free Software Foundation's GNU Project, which is a free variant of Unix. (In a bit of a joke, GNU stands for "Gnu's Not Unix. It is pronounced "Guh-New.")
Didn't get the joke, did you?
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I'd ROTFL. That post that I see on all irrelevant stories is the living proof that petition is stupid and it has no point.
You are off topic... Hear me? Ah, to stop your whining (I bet you will use karma whoring term), posting as AC.
So, people marking your off topic post are those evil Slashdot gang you bitch about too?
Get a life..lol
ps: That number should give you a clue... You spammed every god damn story today, total petition signers=34.. YES,thirty four!
(For the irony-impaired)
Scroll you mouse over the "BUSINESS" tab above the article. (Don't click!) It's between the HOME and TECHNOLOGY.
Notice what ad shows up above Linus' name!
hmm... for fun I enjoy launching DDoS attacks against 127.87.42.5
That's what she thinks.
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I just forwarded this on to my boss and my Controller. The Linux community needs more public endorsement like this. It's hard to make a business case for Linux when all that your Controller has ever heard about it is that it's a toy for hackers.
"Herbivores eat well cause their food never, ever runs."
The word "never" should never be used in a technology news article. Well, maybe if they're referring to OS/2... ;)
It's hard to believe the author of this article has been a technology news writer for at least a decade. "Linux will never be..." "Linux will never gain..." She doesn't mean never. I think she means in the short term (5 yrs maybe), which seems like an eternity in the tech industry. But to say something, especially something new, will never take over a market or will never be used for critical systems is simply rediculous. By this author's writing, some execs, if they're smart enough to read that far into the articles, will think Linux has mostly run its course and found its place in the industry since it'll "never" get beyond certain levels. By her logic, if she wrote an article about Microsoft back in 1985, she'd have said "Windows will never be a serious player in the server market."
This author's writing is incredibly irresponsible.
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What the hell does that mean?
How does providing a service free of charge magically allow the service providor to enforce any terms they wish, as opposed to charging for a service?
I agree with this post!
See how this posting at 0 works yet, janitors?
In what way?
I even learned a few things from the article... After reading their browser review, I'm going to be giving Moz and Galeon another try. (Previously, they were slower than NS 4.76 on my 64M P133 laptop - And FAR slower than Opera.) If Forbes is to be believed, they've really chopped down on the bloat. (The fact that NS7PR1 is far faster than NS6 could be a sign of these improvements...) Of course, what may be faster on a fast machine with lots of memory could be slower on a low-power machine. Some apps respond better to extra resources than others.
:)
Seemed their most flawed review was Pine. (The most cross-platform as opposed to the least as they claim, and it IS capable of launching external viewers for attachments.) But I was impressed by their claim that text-only wasn't as bad as one would think and is in fact faster than GUI mailers. What next, Forbes extolling the virtues of bash?
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VA Software (LNUX) owns OSDN, whose Slashdot Web site provides tech news to Forbes.com.
So you've probably missed the fact that ever since Slashdot has been around, Taco et. all. have continually squawked about the importance of Freedom of Speech, and how clever and great they are to allow Free Speech on Slashdot, and oh, look, we never censor your posts!
Now the two faced little bastards turn around and do the exact thing that they have always complained about. They are two faced shit-weasels.
I do not like stockmarkets (billboard charts for money) and I do not like M$, not because of their products, just for their buisness practice.
And I am not very convinced by these Forbes articles either, they just want to answer the question : "Can I make money with linux ?" and the answer is NO.
You may sell linux driven hardware, (non open source) software running on linux or support.
You can call me communist now if you like, I don't care.
Both the parent & the grandparent are -1, so thats a good start with 2 mod points wasted so far. Oh no, you'll have to mod this post down too, that'll make it 3 points!
Oh, if only I could log in and post as -1. I hope all you people with your thresholds set to 0 are enjoying the sudden rush of AC crapflooders and trolls by the way. Hi there!
They liked pine.
Wow.
For years everyone has been trying to create the fisherprize OS TM and here the suits favor PINE! Granted I use elm myself since ehm, eh that is the one I grew up with, but the idea is the same.
I guess this puts to rest all those lamers who keep shouting that linux should be more userfriendly. The suits don't want that, they want functionality like apparently powerfull search over eye candy or even buttons.
This has really made my day and I will keep trying to get my company to allow my linux elm to connect to its servers. Thanks forbes
BTW with suits here I mean people who are not technical but who do have a brain, the management who is good at it in other words.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
small, fast microkernel like L4 or Neutrino (think: not Mach).
small, fast framebuffer and accelerated GUI like DirectFB (think: not X).
atop DirectFB: Gimp, Mozilla, and OpenOffice.org.
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hehe....as he fumes about GNU being mentioned in a Linux article only because of Galeon. :-)
http://www.forbes.com/2002/07/17/0717tentech.html
From the article "Retail Therapy" the author writes: Solaris, because it's the most popular Unix OS. By most ways of counting, Mac OS X is now the "most popular Unix."
By 'most ways of counting' I mean number of machines that have it installed and actively used, or shipped with it installed--according to Jobs at his latest keynote, the former number is 2.5 million users. Apple actually shipped more Unix systems than that number even represents. Honestly, what are the numbers for people using Solaris?
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A couple of years ago, Forbes ran an article on 64-bit machines. The article had some silly mistakes. Among others, it claimed that Unix was a programming language. But the best was the claim that a 64-bit machine could address 64! bytes of memory.
Now I'm a programmer, so when I see those kind of mistakes, I have to wonder if I should trust them when they run articles on biotechnology or some other area of technology where I know very little.
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Well, it is nice to see the Penguin on a magazine such as Forbes. However, not all of the information was entirely accurate, and Forbes basically told the suits that Linux isn't quite ready for prime time. Personally, I disagree. I think the evidence is there that others would also disagree. A city in Florida is running Linux with KDE through terminals to all of its employees. Oracle is making their database server product Linux ready. So on and so forth. Many consumers run Linux on their desktops at home. Linux is ready for the prime time, but the Monopoly is doing all it can to hold it back.
Because in starcraft, the high templar's foot soldiers are called Zealots.
For a POS system, the OS doesnt matter. Its the application that counts.
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I see an Ameritrade ad at the top (oops, time to update my sleezeball filters...), but nothing's happening on mouse movement. I even temporarily enabled javascript and reloaded the page. Is there some Ameritrade-Linus inside joke?
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The main benefits from the Free Software movement
is when people (or companies) share. So, a many, many
companies might use in-house Free Software . If
there is no sharing back with the Free Software
community, I am afraid, the benefits for most
of us will be minimal.
Didn't anybody see this note, that talks about news syndication from slashdot (that talks about this slashdot-branded section) Is the Forbes article part of the deal? Is this news item part of it?
It's just a BloJJ
...but Microsoft users are the ones drinking the Kool-Aid!
On my desktop.
I did replace the laptop due to failure - 200MMX, 128M RAM.
I see no reason to waste huge amounts of money on a computer that does everything. I have the laptop for portable web surfing and checking of email. 200MMX (even 133) was enough for the following, which are my sole laptop requirements:
xchat
gaim
SSH
Web browser
MP3s were an added bonus with the 200MMX, other than that I have no need for more power in the laptop as long as a web browser runs well.
For stuff like Quake 3, UT, DAoC (my one non-Linux app), etc., I have my nice 1.1 GHz DDR Athlon system.
Buying a superlaptop to use for everything is a waste of money and pointless. To get the features of a sub-$1000 desktop you need to spend $2000-2500 on a laptop. Rather than that $2500, you can buy a hot desktop and a surplus laptop and have $1000 or more left over.
My original point in my first message: A browser that works faster than another on a modern system may be slower on an older system. What works in my desktop is not always what works best on the laptop.
Previously, Moz ran like a 1-legged dog on ANY system I tried it on, even my desktop. But NS7 on my somewhat slower P3 at work seems quite snappy.
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"Checking Email on Linux -- Now everyone can find what they want with a much wider range of possibilities than on PCs. "
What a bunch of crackpipe reporters joining on the bandwagon reporting on something they have NFI about. I'm still waiting for an unbiased series comparing MS and Linux written by someone who can use something other than a wordprocessor to submit articles to their editor.
"A great feature of Pine is its search command. You can search all your e-mails in a folder by keyword. If, for example, you want to search through your e-mails for a specific company, that can be done very easily. This is the only e-mail client we know of where this is so simple."
Oh wow! Will wonders never cease?
scott
If this was true, then everybody would had be using apple macintosh computers instead of windows for the last 10 years...
Can't post under my handle, Karma burn for off-topic will kill me.
/. is a free service, and one which no one is forcing you to use, if you do not like how Taco, Neal, and the rest run it, do not use it.
Actually, neither allows them to do it.
It is their site, to run as they see fit, if they wish to keep some people from posting useless crap (like this thread of messages) they have the right to do that.
As it stands,
Your useless flamebaiting caught me, and I've paid a karmic price for trying to educate a young fool who won't even try to bring up a point rationally, but instead flames on the very site he cares enough about to want to continue to use, even when he can't be civil about it.
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If you wish to continue this, do so on-line with me, you can find my personal information to do that if you care enough to do so.
A little more than a year ago I bought a version of Linux with the intention to learn the OS and, at the very least, become a liason between Windows users and those wishing for a more stable OS.
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But let's face it. Windows is as big as it is because it's biggest customer is "The General Public".
These are not geeks, IT professionals, or CTO's. It's Joe Schmucatelli in his trailer, in the backwoods of Minnesota. It's not Joe Schmanski in downtown St. Louis contemplating a replacement server for his
Until the harbingers of Linux make the installation and use as idiot proof as Windows their precious OS will remain in obscurity. Joe Schmucatelli only wants his shit to work and not get bogged down in syntax errors trying to pronounce Linux.
If Linux proponets truely believe in the superiority of this OS, they will have to seriously rethink the presentation of their product to the general public.
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Forbes.com gets its tech news from slashdot. At least they disclose their relationship in some of their articles. I wonder why we don't see the same disclosure on /.
I wonder what Microsoft did to piss Forbes off...
In a business environment Solaris is king nad MacOS X is a nice curiosity, cute, like an AIBO or a Furby.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
This discussion is excellent proof that Slashdot is full of people who want to cheer for a cause, but don't actually know, say, basic history about the cause they are cheering for.
Take a look at this timeline. As those of us who were around then know well, in July of 1998, Forbes gave Linux and Open Source one of its first big pieces of mainstream publicity.
Linus Torvalds on the cover of Forbes back when Bill Gates could still say with a straight face that he had never had a customer ask him about Linux was a shock. Now? Who cares?
Still, what Linux represents to a lot of people is freedom: freedom of dependence on Microsoft (nasdaq: MSFT - news - people ) and the flexibility to modify the so-called "open source" software. That means that anyone can change or improve upon the OS as long as they make the changes public on the Internet.
Lots of people are going to misunderstand that assessment of the GPL. I wish they'd more clearly stated that publication of changes is required only if you plan to distribute modified software.
"Skill shows through where genius wears thin." -Wittgenstein || Religion: uniting aviation and architecture.
You are estatic that Forbes has finally taken interest? I know how you feel. I was estatic when they originally took interest in July of 1998.
Yes. You read that correctly. They did their homework and reported on the trend before it was common knowledge. Which is what they are supposed to do, and is why their audience reads them.
Take a look at this timeline for proof. Yes, that is Linus holding a daisy on the cover of Forbes. Before the Halloween articles. Back when Bill Gates had never had a customer who had asked him about Linux. Back when big database distributers like Oracle were busy doing flip-flops and announcing that they would develop Linux versions after all. Back when everyone was still in shock that IBM was going to be cooperating with the Apache team. (For a lot of hackers then, IBM was still The Evil Empire.)
In short, this is not a first. They have been on the Linux bandwagon longer than you have. And longer than the people who thought that your post was "insightful". Even though tech is not their field, they noticed the trend and correctly reported it well ahead of most of the incompetents who pass themselves off as IT reporters.
Why is it that I assume this supposedly "objective" series of articles about Linux look at Linux very positively ? Could it be that the arbiters here of objectivity here might not themselves be very objective ?
The article says that the guy who started gaim was a student at Auburn University. Which is not a very Linux friendly universtiy.
All it was used for was SSH, AbiWord, web browsing, and gaim. Oh, and xchat. 133 is plenty for basic day-to-day applications. (Otherwise no one would buy any of the internet appliances that have hit the market and the i-Opener would never have been popular for hackers.)
:)
If I wanted to play Quake, I'd turn on my desktop.
I agree, 133 is pitiful for a primary system. But as a secondary system to do stuff "on the go" occasionally, it's just fine.
If you just want to read email, Pine is wicked fast on even a 386.
retrorocket.o not found, launch anyway?
Now we know who was behind the Linux on X-Box reward
US-UK-Israel: The real Axis of Evil
Conservative business magazine meets liberal technology/science forum... And they didn't fight or bicker! Amazing.
Forbes always seemed more like BSD-ish folks than Linux. The BSD license is much more capitalism friendly, after all.
I have never had a problem selling clients on FreeBSD:
"If it's good enough for Yahoo..."
Hasn't failed yet.
This is the stuff corporate decision makers read.
They don't read Sys-Admin, or /., they read Forbes, and The Wall Street Journal.
The problems the inaccuries in the article are don't matter. It doesn't matter that pine runs on every *nx system out there. It doesn't matter that there is or used to be PC Pine which was point and click. What matters are statements like There is absolutely no way to get a virus using Pine.and The browsers available are fast, clean and work without a hitch..
Joe Smoe CEO is not an idiot. With his 7 figure salary, he has an entirely different skill set than the nerds running his servers. Learn to talk to him. He doesn't care about whether you use Java, or .NET, he cares about the are the costs and risks associated with running Java or .NET.
If someone is passing you on the right, you are an asshole for driving in the wrong lane.
I like their little "Special Report: The Cult of Linux" graphic. The font looks especially scary, suggesting that freaky people in penguin ties will show up at your door with pamphlets soliciting donations for L. Ron Torvalds' secret headquarters. I half expect to see photographs of a hidden jungle compound filled with servers, dead bodies and a large tub of Kool-Aid. Beware! Forget the programmers -- call in the deprogrammers!
When the authors at a business magazine such as Forbes writes a small series of articles filled with buzz words for the buzz word junkies, they could at least have an editor review grammer and spelling. Otherwise it may tell the members of the target audience that "Linux articles aren't important enough to waste the time of the editors".
Also, it's often a bad idea to have authors such as Matthew Herper writing articles stating in a web browser comparison "KDE's unified desktop is less appealing than Microsoft's, however". This is just silly, I was under the belief that the target audience was supposed to be making decisions such as "Which path of migration would save us the most money in training?" and taking into consideration "My current users like the integrated desktop of Windows, wouldn't they also like the integrated desktop of KDE?". My point being that it was wrong of him as a "Linux Guru" to put down a feature that the audience may actually like as a pitfall due to his personal preference. I didn't see where it said "Opinion Column" on the page, His Bio describes him to the target audience as an industry expert and when not stated ahead that he is stating an opinion, people reading the article for their own education will no accept it as his opinion.
I also found his article a bit worse when he made performance based statements based on "Opera seems slower than Mozilla or Galeon" and also "Konquerer appears to load slower than Galeon". Wouldn't information which is supposed to help sway the decision makers have data to back up what was said?
In my personal opinion, Matthew should be sent back to MIT to sit around and write articles for IEEE or ACM, not for the general decision making public, he obviously isn't suited for the job. His article made me feel that next time I'm pointed to a column on Forbes, I may just skip it instead. Next time it might be me trying to learn something.
I'm sorry to say that this is a blow to the Linux community since it appears that Forbes felt like having fun with the Linux buzz word so they grabbed a few Linux geeks with poor writing skills to slap together a few short articles which never passed through editting.
I wouldn't chalk this up as a victory just yet, just another stuffed shirt who felt like blowing cash on a buzz word without actually understanding it.
I think the point of this posting was that linux has a great deal of powerful allies. If forbes is in league with slashdot, wow, that's a big PR bludgeoning to redmond. Keep in mind that could also mean that Forbes writers just keep an eye on slashdot. Forbes is a fairly respectable business magazine, second pretty much only to the wall street journal(barrons, etc, they're all about on the same level). What we will probably see over the next couple weeks is other business publications examining this. It will be intriguing to see how linux is reviewed overall.
We all ask ourselves this question repeatedly: Why is Linux not successful in the business world? I don't mean as a server. I mean as a platform for either server based or client business applications. We often offer our opinions that the Desktop should look better, it should offer games etc. Browsing, Office suites and Mail are now normal and easy on Linux with OpenOffice and Mozilla.
/. people are more interested in wireless gimmicks and games than the specialist markets such as medical or legal or even cash register software. These are apps that make up the backbone of the market. Most companies running specialist software don't even have high hardware requirements, and often still run their customer and accont lists in Access95 on Win95.
So what's the problem? Detractors of Linux will say, "It's the software stupid". And they'll be right, I think. Every time I look at Freshmeat or Sourceforge I never see any big action around ERM,CRM or small business accounting packages that are compatible with banks as Quicken is. Navision, one of the larger and more successful ERM,CRM companies (that was bought up by Microsoft recently) has no Linux client. Yet it is applications like these (Tuned, corporate DB's that one can easily script and turn into applications by combining tables with relevant data visually) that would make Linux a real contender in corporations and even small businesses. In other words, where are the visual database apps?
I don't know if Blender is GPL but the specialist CAD market also has no Linux applications and Blender might make a good basis for one. Likewise in other specialist areas. We are so proud of ourselves and our whizzkid technical knowledge, yet it sometime seems to me that
Am I wrong here totally or are there atempts to write for these markets?
Let's go through this together, shall we?
First they make sure the problem hasnt already been covered in the Knowledge Base.
Yeah, we don't do that.... First, we actually allow people, before filing a bug to check our database. Then, after filling out a form, we allow them to use a more intelligent search routine to check to see if any similar bugs have been encountered. After it's filed, the bugs are checked daily by at least one person to see if it's a duplication. Us open source whacks with our bugzillas and other tracking utilities have nothing like the "Microsoft Misfeatures, Misfits and Malicious Hackers and Pirates" database, in part because we wouldn't know how to use MSSQL with VB Scripting Support.
Then they make sure the problem isnt currently addressed by people working for/with MS.
We could never do that; it's easier just to keep status values on these things, especially since it is part of that whole database submission thing.
Finally, they will assign somebody to work on it.
Again, you know, we just don't have the ability to setup a bureaucracy of that size. We just have users vote which they think is most important and then see which developer(s) are interested in jumping on it by sending out newsletters and keeping track records and dev-mailing list.
"Yeah...it was the numbers that were irrational, not the murderous cult of vegetarians...." -- Hippasus of Metapontum
Another question is also important in some cases:
"Are Open Source developments profitable for developers?"
Some developements are profitable, some are just done for the pleasure. The real problem comes when you need to depend on an Open Source package supported by a comercial firm (expects a profit), and that firm is not making a profit.
I could name some examples (but you could imagine what could happen if your favorite app developer closes or drops the towel).
You are still better than with closed source. But many companies use Microsoft stuff because they can be SURE they won't close (at least not this century!).
unfinished: (adj.)
I find it ironic that "a lot of managers are going to equate free with a lack of quality" when, in 1998 and 1999, ither terms "open source" or "Linux" would be considered a good enough reason to invest in an IPO. I think what is occurring now is the shock of waking up from the snow jobs of the Dot[expletive deleted]ed era, which, just to be geeky, would be much like actually waking up in the world of "The Matrix" where the reality is so massively different from the dream. The major difference is the reality now fully exists.
I have read in the past week, through a series of coincidences, various reviews and thoughts about many aspects of Linux once thought unlikely. These various mentions include the easy to install Mandrake, the really decent ongoing support from RedHat and the fully developed applications from, well, too, too many to actually list, but any Linux user would probably recognise them, ranging from Nautilus to GNU Cash.
What I'm more interested in knowing, with the phrase "Linux is a gateway OS" still in my mind, how many more doors will this open as Free/Free and Open Source software and full operating systems develop. What's the GNU OS? Will that be its name? Will its mind-blowing innovations (you really should pop over to the hurd site) result in people giving it a decent eyeballing? With this and Macintosh Darwin Operating System in place, will people give another go at the BSD world?
If investigations into more than just one OS were to begin, Microsoft might be forced to consider POSIX-Compliance and a new business model (Why pay for a crash prone, resource hogging operating system when you can literally pickup a stable, goes almost anywhere operating system for free). In the end, I suppose this part won't happen to soon with the foolish notion of "The Operating System for the Internet." You can have "one degree of separation" in your own environments and joint ventures, why invest even more money into a third party that uses questionable and historically unsafe technology? I do believe third parties will cater to smaller groups (small business and schools) but Microsoft will probably lose a definitive hold on this market quite quickly (despite an inevitable lawsuit).
Of course, these are just my own ramblings; feel free to ignore them as you wish. Linux is a trademark of Linus Torvalds, yadda yadda yadda, history of GNU here, bio of Stallman here, marijuana was outlawed by request of cotton farmers, moderation of this topic will result in losing your soul and all that other stuff. VA this, that and the other are/is in no way responsible for how I code the HTML, as long as it doesn't crash slashbot.
"Yeah...it was the numbers that were irrational, not the murderous cult of vegetarians...." -- Hippasus of Metapontum
MIcrosoft may not close, but they retire their product so fast it's impossible for us to keep up.
We have just begun deploying win2kpro to our workstations, and win2k is now "retired" in favor of XP... Arrgghhh!!!
"Piter, too, is dead."
Its nice to see open source get some real press but I just cant stand all of this "hype" surrounding linux when there are better alternatives. My choice would be FreeBSD, its simpler, more compact, and more durable in my opinion. Just look at the hassle you have to go through to add IPs from varying vlans and C-blocks through redhats multiple scripts, while in FreeBSD rc.conf takes care of everything for you.
Personally I rather spend 5 minutes writing out a perl script that will print out a list of ips, then spend 15 minutes figuring out which script if any in redhat will support what I want. Plus FreeBSD doesnt suffer from the splits of linux, where everyone and their brother has a different distro with different options and configs. While that may be a benefit, when it comes time to deployment on several hundred servers, its just a hassle.
Then again look at the installer, two CDs just to install redhat, if I dont want anything but the basics, you think they would skimp on the graphics and make it one CD. Then installing they cant even make an Alt+Tab which goes back.
Now Im not against linux, or redhat, but I just cant think of one thing that it can do that I cant do better, faster, or with less hassle in FreeBSD.
Which kind of irritates me that no one is giving this operating system a shot, I think alot of linux diehards, if they give it a shot, might even become converts. The same for all of those companies looking for linux solutions, dont look too far, just give FreeBSD a try.
That's so true!
unfinished: (adj.)
"I tell ya what," when I first used Windows, I considred that cryptic. A group? Open one to get to everything? Win3.x was MacNasty or a nasty mac(wannabe), I'm not sure which. Then, there was the Win9x+ME series that was a castrated nonesense version of CDE! If you needed to perform a scandisk (something I didn't understand the need for until this series) You had to go through, what, two or three things? In CDE, you just went up to "Utilities and Maintenance" (now just "utilities") and picked whichever application you needed. I have no intention of going back to Windows until massive changes are made...I hear China's doing a knockoff....
"Yeah...it was the numbers that were irrational, not the murderous cult of vegetarians...." -- Hippasus of Metapontum
Forbes is simply commentating that the FUD over TCO from MS has been seen straight through. Large businesses with custom apps, and the windows UI restricted off as much as possible via policies are simply seeing that they can contract in a guru to have everything EXACTLY as the company wants it for less money than it costs to license the copies of Windows.
.NET server will cause the dollar signs to flash around in everyones head except Bill!
With windows you need experts to lock it down, and tweak it as much as is permitted by MS to make it more suitable for your environment. Linux and OpenSource in general allow the company to roll out a uniform, customised, reliable base for their users at a fraction of the cost. Despite what MS may say the FSF states that according to the GPL they do NOT have to release their changes either, as long as they stay in-house.
Also in the server room, say you have a file server to be accessed via SMB. The license is around $1000 PLUS Client Access Licenses.
If your tech guys understand Linux, or are keen to learn, replacing 100 NT/2K servers rather than upgrading to
Make no mistake, while this is definately very good publicity, the people to whom it is aimed at are interested, VERY interested in the free beer only. Don't expect any code back from these people, but I suppose if you can get a larger install base, then it is all good