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Bruce Perens Plans On-Stage DMCA Violation

cyber_rigger writes: "From this article at infoworld Bruce Perens said he plans to break the DMCA during a presentation on digital rights management (DRM) Friday afternoon at the O'Reilly Open Source Convention in San Diego. Technically, under the DMCA, Perens' explanation of the technology makes him liable for a fine of US$500,000. You have to admire his spirit."

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  1. You have to admire his spirit." by phunhippy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You have to admire his spirit.

    Translation: I'm an armchair activist.

    I think everyone should go out and opportunities post information about to break stuff like that "violates" the DMCA.. printing flyers.. posting them everywhere.. hehe even sticking batches of flyers next to dvd players in major stores would be a good start.

    1. Re:You have to admire his spirit." by UVABlows · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I think everyone should go out and opportunities post information about to break stuff like that "violates" the DMCA

      Except that if most people started doing this and got arrested, their families would go hungry. It's perfect for someone like Bruce, who has a bit of recognition surrounding him to go out and do this. Most people don't care about computer people getting arrested for doing things that they couldn't figure out how to do. The average person thinks it "serves them computer hackers right trying to be above the law." They think the law is morally right and is to be followed without question, otherwise "why would it be the law?"
      (The answer: Because the members of our lawmaking bodies are being bought left and right, with the notable exception of Rep. Boucher from Virginia)

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    2. Re:You have to admire his spirit." by renehollan · · Score: 4, Insightful
      1. I run DeCSS, or rather a derivative of it so I can watch DVDs on my computer running GNU/Linux.

      2. I am not a U.S. citizen, but am legally on U.S. soil

      3. Announcing this publicly places me at significant risk for indefinite incarceration, if the DMCA and Patriot Act were interpreted in the extreme (I may be a technical terrorist, bent on creating economic mayhem in the U.S., by encouraging the use of technology to defeat DRM for purposes of traditional fair use).

      Some of us do engage in civil disobedience, at some risk, though perhaps not as dramatically as Mr. Perens. But, laws like this can not ber permitted to go unchallenged.

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    3. Re:You have to admire his spirit." by Myco · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Let's not get carried away here. There's a difference between civil disobedience and breaking the law because you find it inconvenient and don't really expect to get caught.

      I favor marijuana legalization, but when I used to pass the pipe around in high school I was hardly engaging in civil disobedience. Nor is it civil disobedience to share mp3s on an anonymous P2P network.

      Civil disobedience is a statement -- the action is secondary, a way of showing that you're serious. Unless you're prepared to notify all relevant authorities of just exactly which laws you're breaking and why, don't pretend to be doing it for the sake of freedom.

  2. Definition of Spirit in this case by flipflapflopflup · · Score: 4, Funny

    Spirit (noun)
    The coming together of balls and stupidity.

    1. Re:Definition of Spirit in this case by evbergen · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Funny as it may be, I don't think that 'stupidity' accurately describes someone who takes a risk to defend a fundamental freedom. Sorry.

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  3. My question for Mr. Perens by devphil · · Score: 4, Funny
    [...]similar to the case with Felten, because the presentation will occur at a conference that is charging attendees, both Perens and the show organizers could be subject to criminal charges in addition to a fine.

    [...]

    Perens said he is making a habit out of testing the limits of the DMCA, mainly to show just how trivial most DRM technologies are. Last year at the O'Reilly conference, he delivered a presentation during which he showed attendees the slides that got Sklyarov arrested.

    Damn, Bruce, how do you walk with balls that big?

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    1. Re:My question for Mr. Perens by warmcat · · Score: 4, Funny

      I have only slightly smaller balls than that, and I am able to walk because my wife keeps them in a jar.

    2. Re:My question for Mr. Perens by truesaer · · Score: 5, Insightful
      The difference here is that he is an American. American's don't mind if foreign people are arrested, but will probably take issue with an american being arrested for an academic presentation. A little strange, and sad, but I think it is somewhat true.

      Hopefully they will arrest them....I know these days constitutional rights are not in style, but you would have to think a court would rule that an academic presentation is speech. How could they not?

    3. Re:My question for Mr. Perens by warpSpeed · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Hopefully they will arrest them....

      If "they" don't arrest him, can future arresties argue selective prosecution?

  4. It won't be some major cracking effort. by Neon+Spiral+Injector · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd guess his demonstration won't be something on the order of breaking the encryption scheme on DVDs. It will be something so obvious, that people will wonder, "why is that illegal?". Just to so how silly the DMCA is.

  5. Spirit? by mccalli · · Score: 5, Funny
    Technically, under the DMCA, Perens' explanation of the technology makes him liable for a fine of US$500,000. You have to admire his spirit.

    Never mind the spirit. You have to admire his bank balance...

    Cheers,
    Ian

  6. Why don't more people do this? by Pooh22 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Disclaimer: I'm from the Netherlands, so the heat is still a few kms in front of me...

    What I don't understand is that Bruce Perens is an exception to the rule. Whatever happened to civil disobedience as a way to make unambiguously clear that the government has gone too far and needs to rethink it's policies.

    If Americans don't stand up more forcefully, the US will either infect the whole world with their orwellian shite or (I sure hope this happens) they will at some point in the near future be ignored as something that a free country cannot follow without losing essential freedoms.

    Three cheers to Bruce Perens and anyone who follows his example!

    Simon

    1. Re:Why don't more people do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'm an American. And you are why I LOVE foreigners and hate Americans. 90% of them are so caught up in their shallow existences they've forgotten they live in a world with other people. This is just my opinion, but a society raised on television has nothing left to shock it. And a society that isn't shocked won't stand up to fight :(

  7. And after the presentation... by CLIT · · Score: 5, Funny

    He'll put on his Village People outfit and sing "It's fun to violate the D-M-C-A!".

    Good luck. I hope he gets further than Sklyarov.

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  8. Where do I send the money? by Sly+Mongoose · · Score: 5, Funny

    OK, I suppose half a million of us will all have to chip in a buck to bail his arse out of Jug. So where do I send the dollar?

    1. Re:Where do I send the money? by ocbwilg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      OK, I suppose half a million of us will all have to chip in a buck to bail his arse out of Jug. So where do I send the dollar?

      I'd rather my dollars go towards his legal defense rather than paying unjust fines.

  9. Is it really illegal? by smiff · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I do not think Mr. Perens will be breaking the law. The law forbids trafficking in a circumvention device. Speech is not a device except when that 'speech' can function, such as with software (or so the court ruled in the DeCSS case). Simply telling someone how to circumvent region coding does not violate the DMCA, unless you 'tell' someone by providing software that can do it.

    It is true that Felton was threatened with a law suit if he were to present non-functional speech on weaknesses in SDMI, but the RIAA would have gotten no where with a law suit, because Felton's speech would not function on its own.

    Sklyarov was not arrested for speaking at DefCon. He was arrested because his company sold a copy of its DMCA violating software in the United States, and because he held the copyright on that software.

    You can read section 1201 for yourselves. It says:

    No person shall manufacture, import, offer to the public, provide, or otherwise traffic in any technology, product, service, device, component, or part thereof, that -

    (A) is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing protection afforded by a technological measure that effectively protects a right of a copyright owner under this title in a work or a portion thereof;

    By the same token, you can publish specs on how to circumvent macrovision. You just can't traffic in the device itself.

    I am not a lawyer. If you plan on taking my advice, talk to a lawyer first.

    1. Re:Is it really illegal? by shaldannon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Bruce is a lawyer so I figure if he says he's violating the DMCA, he should know. Other than that....you might pay some attention to the fact that the MPAA seems to like to haul people into court who are only linking to information about "violating" the DMCA, let alone actually doing so, so that technical consideration doesn't matter anyway.

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    2. Re:Is it really illegal? by Mop · · Score: 5, Insightful
      No person shall manufacture, import, offer to the public, provide, or otherwise traffic in any technology, product, service, device, component, or part thereof, that - (A) is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing protection [...]
      By the same token, you can publish specs on how to circumvent macrovision. You just can't traffic in the device itself.
      Funny that you added emphasis on the fact that it can be either a device or a service (a technical speech from a consultant is certainly a service) or others things, and conclud that it only concerns devices.
    3. Re:Is it really illegal? by Sloppy · · Score: 4, Informative
      By the same token, you can publish specs on how to circumvent macrovision. You just can't traffic in the device itself.
      That's what a normal person would think, but Kaplan ruled differently. When 2600 was not publishing or making the DeCSS code available, but instead merely was telling people about other computers where the code was available (hyperlinks to computers that were outside of 2600's control), Kaplan said that was trafficking. Your concept of trafficking is out-of-date if you haven't taken Kaplan's newspeak definition into account.
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    4. Re:Is it really illegal? by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 5, Informative
      No, I am not a lawyer. I do know a lot of good ones.

      Bruce

  10. Civil disobedience and money by Myco · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I'm all for civil disobedience. It's a very noble thing to be willing to go to jail (especially give the state of our overstuffed prisons) for your ideals.

    But in this case, they're talking about a $500,000 fine. I'm not sure how something like that works out if you can't pay it -- whether they substitute jail time or what. But supposing this guy was fined, and paid it, is that really civil disobedience? Somehow writing the bad guys a check and saying "in your face, man!" lacks the punch of imprisonment.

    1. Re:Civil disobedience and money by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 5, Informative
      I did not discuss this with anyone at HP. Most of my Free Software activism is done representing myself or SPI, and not HP.

      Bruce

    2. Re:Civil disobedience and money by Gleef · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Bruce Perins wrote:
      I did not discuss this with anyone at HP. Most of my Free Software activism is done representing myself or SPI, and not HP.

      Fair enough, and pretty much what I expected. HP is a public corporation beholden to its shareholders, and shareholders generally do not like their companies taking activist stances.

      I would say chances are pretty good that no legal action will come from your demonstration, but if legal consequences happen, just wanted to make sure you and others were aware that it might become a fight on two fronts, the direct legal battle, and a battle with HP over wage garnishment, even though HP is uninvolved in the demonstration.

      Since I have your ear, a small idea: If you want to make extra sure that the trafficking clause is triggered, you could sell the hacked VCR to a member of the audience.

      Best of luck, and I admire your courage in this matter.

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  11. Re:Atta Boy.... by Zathrus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If he gets arrested and then jailed nothing would have been accomplished

    Uh... I think you miss the point.

    He intends to be arrested. And jailed. And to fight the law in court, which is the only place it's ever going to be overturned.

    If he doesn't get charged with a violation of the DMCA then nothing will have been accomplished -- failure to enforce a law does not invalidate the law (there are caveats, but a singlular failure does not do so).

    I don't think he's looking for a loophole. I suspect he's planning to violate it in the most flagerant manner possible to ensure that he's charged with violation.

    The tricky bit is to violate the DMCA and only the DMCA. You really don't want to violate the DMCA and half a dozen other laws -- even if you get the DMCA ruled unconstitutional you'll probably be celebrating in jail.

  12. Re:Region Codes by Mr_Dyqik · · Score: 5, Informative

    You go to a shop in almost any country in Europe, and buy a DVD player that has been hacked by the shop or the manufacturer. It can actually be quite difficult to find a DVD player that isn't region free, particularly at the cheap end of the market.

  13. Re:Atta Boy.... by FreeUser · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Thats a spirit... or is it? If he gets arrested and then jailed nothing would have been accomplished. Only if Lawyers can get him off the hook after he's done this, then it will be a victory.

    It is called civil disobedience, and it is often the only way to get injustice corrected (and the DMCA is extremely unjust).

    If enough people are arrested for outrageously stupid reasons, public awareness of what is happening will be raised. I remember telling a non-technical friend of mine, who is a pilot for a major airline and served in the airforce (and saw combat in Yugoslavia), about the arrest of Dmitry and he was outraged. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen him as angry as he was that day. He took that injustice very personally, as do most people who believe in the ideals of democracy and not the rule of corporate oligarchs, cartels, and monopolists.

    The more lay people that are made aware of these injustices the better, and Perens is going a long way toward accomplishing this, whether or not he gets arrested. The excesses of copyright have only succeeded these last decades because the awareness of what has happened (chronic copyright extentions, and now fundamental changes in its nature from a civil to a criminal law, and from a largely commercial regulation to a profoundly invasive personal one) has been absent. Copyright law, in its current form, will likely not withstand public scruitiny very well, which is something that would be good for every one of us (returning it back to its pre-1970 duration, if not repealing the notion altogether and replacing it with a gentler, non-monopolistic regime for compensating authors and artists, but that is a discussion for another day).

    Raising public awareness of these issues is probably one of the most important things we can be doing, and if we as technically knowledgable people do not do so, no one will. Bruce Perens should be applauded for stepping up to the plate and putting his personal liberty on the line for the greater public good.

    If we had more people willing to do this sort of thing when the despots seize personal liberty after personal liberty we would live in a much better world. He is a man who clearly feels strongly enough about software freedom to risk jail time, up to 5 years, which is a hell of a lot more grave than the $500,000 fine mentioned in the article (I wonder why they played that down. That makes his actions even more impressive).

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  14. More then just technology by famazza · · Score: 5, Insightful

    DMCA is not a specific case, it's just a case that is very visible to us (nerds, geeks, techies, whatever).

    The problem here is not about a single law, but it is about a whole system that is showing signs of unrealibility, the so called Democracy.

    "From the people, by the people, to the people". DMCA is the proof that the organization that we call Democratic Government and the Representative System is not representing the people, but interests to big corporations.

    We need to stop right now this kind of attitude! Our elected representatives are not representing our interests, lobbyists are convincing them to represent their interests. What about the people?

    Of course that a healthy economy and low interest rates keeps people satisfied, but this is bread and circus, they keep people working and consuming and keep us happy.

    Maybe we should review our concept of freedom, and mainly our concept of democratic government.

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    1. Re:More then just technology by sielwolf · · Score: 5, Interesting
      The problem here is not about a single law, but it is about a whole system that is showing signs of unrealibility, the so called Democracy.
      Actually I thought civil disobedience (and this example) shows the strength of Democracy.

      The problem is that, no matter how much bureaucracy you make, it is still possible to get an unjust law passed. So trying to improve the system won't work.

      The key is that Democracy allows for grass-roots reevaluation of legal precedent (through intentional civil disobedience or unintentionally [Scopes Monkey Trial]).

      How many important US laws have been passed due to activism? Women's sufferage, Civil Liberties Act, etc etc.

      Demonstrations are the most legally protected and peaceful. Civil Disobedience comes right after it.

      The problem is when you decide that the system is beyond repair and so you take to illegal action with little interest in federal procedure. If Perens was just going to hand out a thousand Region-free copies of the Matrix or if he was going to assassinate the President, then he would only be breaking the law for his own self-interest. He isn't and that's why I wish him the best of luck.
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  15. This won't work... by kcbrown · · Score: 5, Insightful
    ...unless my understanding of how criminal and civil law works in the U.S. is badly flawed.

    Remember that the prosecution has a huge incentive to keep the law on the books so it can be used to bludgeon people into submission. In a civil case, the plaintiff will of course be the content control people, while in a criminal case the prosecution will be the government. Since the government is basically the big corporations' bitch, it will do whatever the big corporations tell it to do. For brevity's sake, we'll roll the plaintiff and the prosecution into one, and call them the "bad guys".

    So what does this mean in practice? It means that the bad guys will take the litigation as far as they can until they reach a point where a court ruling would set a precedent against their pet law.

    Now, lower courts seem to be very reluctant to rule on Constitutional issues, so the only way you're going to get a lower court to rule against the DMCA is through more traditional means, like proof that the defendant didn't actually violate the DMCA. But that kind of argument is obviously counterproductive for the purposes of striking down the DMCA, so we'll have to assume that Perens' defense won't use it. So the lower courts will almost certainly rule against Perens.

    So now it's on to the higher courts, at least at the district level. What I think will happen here is that the case will be litigated heavily, with the bad guys doing everything they can to extend the litigation. If it appears that there's a reasonable chance the judge will rule against the bad guys, then the bad guys will drop the charges right before the ruling. End result? No precedent set against use of the DMCA in that district, and maximal financial damage to the defendant.

    I think this is exactly how it will play out in every case. It'll turn into a war of attrition, and the bad guys have many times the resources of the good guys, so the bad guys will win.

    Most importantly, it will result in justice only for those with the cash to fight long enough to wind up in a court that would rule against the "bad guys". In other words, justice proportional to the amount of money one has, which seems to be the American Way.

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  16. American's do mind by SlowMovingTarget · · Score: 4, Insightful

    American's don't mind if foreign people are arrested...

    I'm an American. It bothered me.

    If you mean that the media didn't give it the coverage it deserved, I'd agree with that. It's likely, however, that the stories they were allowed to cover did not include ones that weren't in the interests of the parent companies (AOL Time Warner for example).

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  17. Magic Marker Time by alanjstr · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why do I have a strong feeling he's just going to use a black marker on an audio cd?

  18. Re:If they don't shut him up first. by White+Shade · · Score: 4, Funny

    I can just see it now ...

    "Man arrested, jailed, charged for Posession of 6lbs of illegal DVD Player, street value $500,000 or more, as well as assorted paraphernalia" ...

    sounds a bit dodgy to me

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  19. Considering the penalties... by Inoshiro · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Wouldn't it just be better to murder someone in front of all these witnesses? Less jail time, less of a fine.

    Or he could embezzle a few billion from HP, and only have to spend 5 years in a white-collar resort prison.

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  20. Re:Why is it illegal? by c13v3rm0nk3y · · Score: 4, Informative

    I think others have touched on this, but I don't think I saw a reply that said simply: "you don't own commercial software".

    You have a license agreement that allows you to use the software (with some restrictions). You don't own the software in the DVD player any more than you own your copy of Mac OS or Windows.

    The hardware has patents to protect it. You can own it and do what you want with it in your own home, just don't try to use their ideas in your device. If you kill or blind yourself making your microwave into a DVD player, you agree not to sue them.

    The software, however, is another thing. On a microwave, it's embedded enough to be considered "hardware". Sanyo isn't going to care (much) if an individual hacks their timer/power interface. However, a DVD player is a specialized computer system that reads and decodes information off supplied media so it can be muxed/demuxed off to a variety of data streams.

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  21. Boucher supported the DMCA by MagPulse · · Score: 4, Informative
    A re-post from the Slashdot Boucher story:

    Before you support Rep. Boucher, you should know he supported the DMCA in 1998.

    "...I am pleased to rise today in support of the passage of H.R. 2281, which will extend new protections against the theft of their works to copyright owners."

    Full text of his DMCA speech:
    DIGITAL MILLENNIUM COPYRIGHT ACT (House of Representatives - August 04, 1998)

    Mr. BOUCHER. Madam Speaker, I thank the gentleman from Massachusetts (Mr. Frank) for yielding this time to me, and I am pleased to rise today in support of the passage of H.R. 2281, which will extend new protections against the theft of their works to copyright owners.

    Madam Speaker, new protections are needed due to the ease with which flawless copies of copyrighted materials can both be made and transmitted in the digital network environment. Essential, however, to the creation of new guarantees for copyright owners is the retention of the traditional rights of the users of intellectual property. A balance has always existed in our law between these conflicting interests, and the major challenge in the writing of this legislation is to assure that no fundamental altering of that delicate balance takes place.

    Another challenge is to ensure that in the effort to eliminate devices that are designed and produced to make illegal copies of copyrighted materials, that legitimate consumer electronics products are not also placed in a category of legal uncertainty.

    Today I want to offer congratulations primarily to the Members of the House Committee on Commerce who have devoted long hours in the effort to assure that these challenges are met. Specifically, the Committee on Commerce has added provisions that protect personal privacy by clearly permitting personal computer owners to disable cookies that are placed on their disks by others; that allow the encryption research that will lead to a new generation of trusted and secure systems; that give equipment manufacturers the certainty that their consumer electronics products need not affirmatively accommodate all technological protection measures; and that creative procedure for assuring the continuation of the fair use rights of the American public, a procedure that will prevent material that is generally available today under fair use being locked away in a pay-per-use regime in future years.

    [TIME: 1400]

    Report language also specifies that the technological protection measure circumvention restrictions will not apply when manufacturers, retailers and technicians need to make adjustments to devices to ensure that their performance is not degraded as a consequence of the installation of a technological protection measure. These changes, taken together, significantly improve the original legislation.

    The gentleman from Virginia (Chairman Bliley), the gentleman from Michigan (Mr. Dingell), the gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. Klug), the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Stearns) and the gentleman from Massachusetts (Mr. Markey), among others, deserve thanks for their successful efforts to create new copyright protections, while ensuring that traditional user rights are not undermined.

    The Committee on Commerce has, in the manner for which it is known, mastered the intricate details of this complex subject and has produced a balanced result. I want to offer my congratulations to all who have been involved in that outstanding effort.

    It is my pleasure to urge passage of H.R. 2281.

    Madam Speaker, I will insert in the record correspondence from the subcommittee chairman, the gentleman from North Carolina (Mr. Coble), to the gentleman from California (Mr. Campbell) and myself, which further defines the terminology that is used in the statute.
    To see the full text:
    1. Click here
    2. Click on the link for #14
    3. Do a browser search for "boucher", click on the link
    1. Re:Boucher supported the DMCA by dafunn · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think this article is the one to which you're referring. This editorial was posted on January 29th of this year and appears to be from the Boucher in question. It basically says that he (Boucher) doesn't like the version of the DMCA that is in use and that it ignores the fair use rights consumers (and others) have had for a century and a half (his words).

  22. It is every moral persons duty... by Snart+Barfunz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...to break unjust laws as often as possible, regardless of the consequences, until those laws become unenforceable and are repealed.

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  23. Re:We have a problem here... by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I do have to leave some time for my talk, so I will probably limit the number of demos. But maybe I'll try the Celine Dion and a black marker thing. So far, I can't get either of my DVD-equipped laptops to work with DeCSS. Maybe someone else should bring one.

    Bruce