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Bruce Perens Plans On-Stage DMCA Violation

cyber_rigger writes: "From this article at infoworld Bruce Perens said he plans to break the DMCA during a presentation on digital rights management (DRM) Friday afternoon at the O'Reilly Open Source Convention in San Diego. Technically, under the DMCA, Perens' explanation of the technology makes him liable for a fine of US$500,000. You have to admire his spirit."

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  1. You have to admire his spirit." by phunhippy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You have to admire his spirit.

    Translation: I'm an armchair activist.

    I think everyone should go out and opportunities post information about to break stuff like that "violates" the DMCA.. printing flyers.. posting them everywhere.. hehe even sticking batches of flyers next to dvd players in major stores would be a good start.

    1. Re:You have to admire his spirit." by Myco · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Let's not get carried away here. There's a difference between civil disobedience and breaking the law because you find it inconvenient and don't really expect to get caught.

      I favor marijuana legalization, but when I used to pass the pipe around in high school I was hardly engaging in civil disobedience. Nor is it civil disobedience to share mp3s on an anonymous P2P network.

      Civil disobedience is a statement -- the action is secondary, a way of showing that you're serious. Unless you're prepared to notify all relevant authorities of just exactly which laws you're breaking and why, don't pretend to be doing it for the sake of freedom.

  2. It won't be some major cracking effort. by Neon+Spiral+Injector · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd guess his demonstration won't be something on the order of breaking the encryption scheme on DVDs. It will be something so obvious, that people will wonder, "why is that illegal?". Just to so how silly the DMCA is.

  3. Spirit? by mccalli · · Score: 5, Funny
    Technically, under the DMCA, Perens' explanation of the technology makes him liable for a fine of US$500,000. You have to admire his spirit.

    Never mind the spirit. You have to admire his bank balance...

    Cheers,
    Ian

  4. Why don't more people do this? by Pooh22 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Disclaimer: I'm from the Netherlands, so the heat is still a few kms in front of me...

    What I don't understand is that Bruce Perens is an exception to the rule. Whatever happened to civil disobedience as a way to make unambiguously clear that the government has gone too far and needs to rethink it's policies.

    If Americans don't stand up more forcefully, the US will either infect the whole world with their orwellian shite or (I sure hope this happens) they will at some point in the near future be ignored as something that a free country cannot follow without losing essential freedoms.

    Three cheers to Bruce Perens and anyone who follows his example!

    Simon

    1. Re:Why don't more people do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'm an American. And you are why I LOVE foreigners and hate Americans. 90% of them are so caught up in their shallow existences they've forgotten they live in a world with other people. This is just my opinion, but a society raised on television has nothing left to shock it. And a society that isn't shocked won't stand up to fight :(

  5. And after the presentation... by CLIT · · Score: 5, Funny

    He'll put on his Village People outfit and sing "It's fun to violate the D-M-C-A!".

    Good luck. I hope he gets further than Sklyarov.

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  6. Where do I send the money? by Sly+Mongoose · · Score: 5, Funny

    OK, I suppose half a million of us will all have to chip in a buck to bail his arse out of Jug. So where do I send the dollar?

    1. Re:Where do I send the money? by ocbwilg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      OK, I suppose half a million of us will all have to chip in a buck to bail his arse out of Jug. So where do I send the dollar?

      I'd rather my dollars go towards his legal defense rather than paying unjust fines.

  7. Re:Definition of Spirit in this case by evbergen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Funny as it may be, I don't think that 'stupidity' accurately describes someone who takes a risk to defend a fundamental freedom. Sorry.

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  8. Re:My question for Mr. Perens by truesaer · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The difference here is that he is an American. American's don't mind if foreign people are arrested, but will probably take issue with an american being arrested for an academic presentation. A little strange, and sad, but I think it is somewhat true.

    Hopefully they will arrest them....I know these days constitutional rights are not in style, but you would have to think a court would rule that an academic presentation is speech. How could they not?

  9. Re:Atta Boy.... by Zathrus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If he gets arrested and then jailed nothing would have been accomplished

    Uh... I think you miss the point.

    He intends to be arrested. And jailed. And to fight the law in court, which is the only place it's ever going to be overturned.

    If he doesn't get charged with a violation of the DMCA then nothing will have been accomplished -- failure to enforce a law does not invalidate the law (there are caveats, but a singlular failure does not do so).

    I don't think he's looking for a loophole. I suspect he's planning to violate it in the most flagerant manner possible to ensure that he's charged with violation.

    The tricky bit is to violate the DMCA and only the DMCA. You really don't want to violate the DMCA and half a dozen other laws -- even if you get the DMCA ruled unconstitutional you'll probably be celebrating in jail.

  10. Re:Region Codes by Mr_Dyqik · · Score: 5, Informative

    You go to a shop in almost any country in Europe, and buy a DVD player that has been hacked by the shop or the manufacturer. It can actually be quite difficult to find a DVD player that isn't region free, particularly at the cheap end of the market.

  11. Re:Atta Boy.... by FreeUser · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Thats a spirit... or is it? If he gets arrested and then jailed nothing would have been accomplished. Only if Lawyers can get him off the hook after he's done this, then it will be a victory.

    It is called civil disobedience, and it is often the only way to get injustice corrected (and the DMCA is extremely unjust).

    If enough people are arrested for outrageously stupid reasons, public awareness of what is happening will be raised. I remember telling a non-technical friend of mine, who is a pilot for a major airline and served in the airforce (and saw combat in Yugoslavia), about the arrest of Dmitry and he was outraged. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen him as angry as he was that day. He took that injustice very personally, as do most people who believe in the ideals of democracy and not the rule of corporate oligarchs, cartels, and monopolists.

    The more lay people that are made aware of these injustices the better, and Perens is going a long way toward accomplishing this, whether or not he gets arrested. The excesses of copyright have only succeeded these last decades because the awareness of what has happened (chronic copyright extentions, and now fundamental changes in its nature from a civil to a criminal law, and from a largely commercial regulation to a profoundly invasive personal one) has been absent. Copyright law, in its current form, will likely not withstand public scruitiny very well, which is something that would be good for every one of us (returning it back to its pre-1970 duration, if not repealing the notion altogether and replacing it with a gentler, non-monopolistic regime for compensating authors and artists, but that is a discussion for another day).

    Raising public awareness of these issues is probably one of the most important things we can be doing, and if we as technically knowledgable people do not do so, no one will. Bruce Perens should be applauded for stepping up to the plate and putting his personal liberty on the line for the greater public good.

    If we had more people willing to do this sort of thing when the despots seize personal liberty after personal liberty we would live in a much better world. He is a man who clearly feels strongly enough about software freedom to risk jail time, up to 5 years, which is a hell of a lot more grave than the $500,000 fine mentioned in the article (I wonder why they played that down. That makes his actions even more impressive).

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  12. More then just technology by famazza · · Score: 5, Insightful

    DMCA is not a specific case, it's just a case that is very visible to us (nerds, geeks, techies, whatever).

    The problem here is not about a single law, but it is about a whole system that is showing signs of unrealibility, the so called Democracy.

    "From the people, by the people, to the people". DMCA is the proof that the organization that we call Democratic Government and the Representative System is not representing the people, but interests to big corporations.

    We need to stop right now this kind of attitude! Our elected representatives are not representing our interests, lobbyists are convincing them to represent their interests. What about the people?

    Of course that a healthy economy and low interest rates keeps people satisfied, but this is bread and circus, they keep people working and consuming and keep us happy.

    Maybe we should review our concept of freedom, and mainly our concept of democratic government.

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    1. Re:More then just technology by sielwolf · · Score: 5, Interesting
      The problem here is not about a single law, but it is about a whole system that is showing signs of unrealibility, the so called Democracy.
      Actually I thought civil disobedience (and this example) shows the strength of Democracy.

      The problem is that, no matter how much bureaucracy you make, it is still possible to get an unjust law passed. So trying to improve the system won't work.

      The key is that Democracy allows for grass-roots reevaluation of legal precedent (through intentional civil disobedience or unintentionally [Scopes Monkey Trial]).

      How many important US laws have been passed due to activism? Women's sufferage, Civil Liberties Act, etc etc.

      Demonstrations are the most legally protected and peaceful. Civil Disobedience comes right after it.

      The problem is when you decide that the system is beyond repair and so you take to illegal action with little interest in federal procedure. If Perens was just going to hand out a thousand Region-free copies of the Matrix or if he was going to assassinate the President, then he would only be breaking the law for his own self-interest. He isn't and that's why I wish him the best of luck.
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  13. Re:Is it really illegal? by Mop · · Score: 5, Insightful
    No person shall manufacture, import, offer to the public, provide, or otherwise traffic in any technology, product, service, device, component, or part thereof, that - (A) is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing protection [...]
    By the same token, you can publish specs on how to circumvent macrovision. You just can't traffic in the device itself.
    Funny that you added emphasis on the fact that it can be either a device or a service (a technical speech from a consultant is certainly a service) or others things, and conclud that it only concerns devices.
  14. Re:My question for Mr. Perens by warpSpeed · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Hopefully they will arrest them....

    If "they" don't arrest him, can future arresties argue selective prosecution?

  15. This won't work... by kcbrown · · Score: 5, Insightful
    ...unless my understanding of how criminal and civil law works in the U.S. is badly flawed.

    Remember that the prosecution has a huge incentive to keep the law on the books so it can be used to bludgeon people into submission. In a civil case, the plaintiff will of course be the content control people, while in a criminal case the prosecution will be the government. Since the government is basically the big corporations' bitch, it will do whatever the big corporations tell it to do. For brevity's sake, we'll roll the plaintiff and the prosecution into one, and call them the "bad guys".

    So what does this mean in practice? It means that the bad guys will take the litigation as far as they can until they reach a point where a court ruling would set a precedent against their pet law.

    Now, lower courts seem to be very reluctant to rule on Constitutional issues, so the only way you're going to get a lower court to rule against the DMCA is through more traditional means, like proof that the defendant didn't actually violate the DMCA. But that kind of argument is obviously counterproductive for the purposes of striking down the DMCA, so we'll have to assume that Perens' defense won't use it. So the lower courts will almost certainly rule against Perens.

    So now it's on to the higher courts, at least at the district level. What I think will happen here is that the case will be litigated heavily, with the bad guys doing everything they can to extend the litigation. If it appears that there's a reasonable chance the judge will rule against the bad guys, then the bad guys will drop the charges right before the ruling. End result? No precedent set against use of the DMCA in that district, and maximal financial damage to the defendant.

    I think this is exactly how it will play out in every case. It'll turn into a war of attrition, and the bad guys have many times the resources of the good guys, so the bad guys will win.

    Most importantly, it will result in justice only for those with the cash to fight long enough to wind up in a court that would rule against the "bad guys". In other words, justice proportional to the amount of money one has, which seems to be the American Way.

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  16. Magic Marker Time by alanjstr · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why do I have a strong feeling he's just going to use a black marker on an audio cd?

  17. Re:Is it really illegal? by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 5, Informative
    No, I am not a lawyer. I do know a lot of good ones.

    Bruce

  18. Re:Civil disobedience and money by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 5, Informative
    I did not discuss this with anyone at HP. Most of my Free Software activism is done representing myself or SPI, and not HP.

    Bruce

  19. Re:We have a problem here... by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I do have to leave some time for my talk, so I will probably limit the number of demos. But maybe I'll try the Celine Dion and a black marker thing. So far, I can't get either of my DVD-equipped laptops to work with DeCSS. Maybe someone else should bring one.

    Bruce