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May I Have Your EULA Please?

LionsFate asks: "Just like the subject says. I want End User Licence Agreements (EULAs). I'm starting a database of as many EULAs as I can get. I want to know the first EULA that said we can't reverse engineer their software. I want to know the first that said they can watch our activities. I want to know how the NES agreement differs from the GameCube. Did Nintendo lighten, or tighten restrictions? I'm looking to generate a time-line of EULAs and how they have changed. What permissions we have been given, and taken away over that period. What rights did we have in Windows 3.1, compared to Windows XP? How has the MPAA and RIAA changed our 'legal rights' on software as a result of their effort? Watched Napster or other P2P software and seen the changes in their EULAs? I'm starting my EULA database at here and I need as many EULAs as I can get to populate the database. If you can, please email me any/all that you can. I'm hoping within a few weeks to have the site online." Ask Slashdot last tackled the topic of EULAs in this piece. It would be interesting to grab a nice sample of EULAs across the last 2 decades to see what has changed, if anything.

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  1. Prohibitions by ZaMoose · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Don't a lot of EULA's have prohibitions against reprinting them in full in settings other than their original form?

    Are you a bit worried about the legal ramifications of such a database?

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    1. Re:Prohibitions by capt.Hij · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Don't a lot of EULA's have prohibitions against reprinting them in full in settings other than their original form?

      If you don't agree to the terms then you should be able to print the EULA! The question is whether or not you can copyright a legal document such as the EULA.

      As for the database itself. I can't stand to read the damn EULA's when I buy the software. Why would anybody want to go and read them off of a website? Yuk.

    2. Re:Prohibitions by MrResistor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So, you go through the EULAs and create a summary for the ones that don't permit republication, and post the summary instead. If you really want to be a bastard, make it really obvious who doesn't want the public to know what's in their EULAs.

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    3. Re:Prohibitions by Florian+Weimer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As for the database itself. I can't stand to read the damn EULA's when I buy the software. Why would anybody want to go and read them off of a website? Yuk.

      Perhaps because you don't want to download all the software just to discover that you can't accept the EULA terms?

    4. Re:Prohibitions by FyRE666 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I suppose it would be very useful if a front-end app were built to parse "layman's questions" about a EULA. IE, "does EULA #49493 prohibit me from XXXX?". The web app could then work its magic and answer the question quickly and hopefully in understandable terms!

      This is a great idea, much better to have a central resource than rely on heresay and FUD...

    5. Re:Prohibitions by paladin_tom · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Isn't this limited to the U.S.? Debian distributes cryptographic software from non-US servers. And OpenBSD is based here in Canada, where we don't have export restrictions on strong cryptography, so crypto is integrated into their OS.

      Surely no one is trying to stop this practice? This would raise serious issues of international law. (I'm reminded of the Italian police shutting down a "blasphemous" site on a U.S. server, administered by an Italian in Italy.)

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    6. Re:Prohibitions by EvanED · · Score: 2

      It appears USC Title 17 also has a prohibition... IANAL, but I can't see anything that would exempt EULAs from the typical restrictions on copying material.

      Might have to make a summary of the EULAs rather than posting them word for word.

    7. Re:Prohibitions by Sloppy · · Score: 2

      He didn't say he wanted a bunch of EULAs to contractually agree with. He just wants to read them. None of the stuff will apply to him. It probably won't apply to the people sending the EULAs to him either, unless they signed something, got consideration, etc.

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    8. Re:Prohibitions by Indras · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or, here's more useful information:

      "What will legally allow ?" So then you can get a nice list of which pieces of, say, music playing software, will allow a certain right.

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    9. Re:Prohibitions by MindStalker · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not heresay so much as legal advice from a non-lawyer. If anyone takes the summaries on the website as truth and ends up getting in trouble because the summary made an incorrect legal assumtion. That would lead to a VERY interesting trial. As you would be dealing with EULAs and the very fact that you may even need a lawyer to interpret something thats intended for lawyers to not look at could be interesting.

    10. Re:Prohibitions by ceejayoz · · Score: 2

      anyone wanna tell me why I was moderated "redundant" when I was like the 3rd comment in the thread? lol...

    11. Re:Prohibitions by mpe · · Score: 2

      If you don't agree to the terms then you should be able to print the EULA! The question is whether or not you can copyright a legal document such as the EULA.

      Any document is automatically copyrighted when it is written. A more reasonable question would be to ask if creating such a database comes under "fair use". Since copyright laws typically protect copying for review and critique.

    12. Re:Prohibitions by Stultsinator · · Score: 2

      There is at least one documented case of a legal document being copyrighted.

      A while ago there was a story here about a guy who needed to know certain building codes for his house. When he went to city hall he wasn't able to photocopy the documents because they were copyrighted by the engineering firm that created them.

  2. Now the next generation of EULA's will say... by MrKevvy · · Score: 4, Funny

    "...You agree not to post this EULA in a EULA database..."

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    1. Re:Now the next generation of EULA's will say... by bugnuts · · Score: 2

      Certain software (betatesting, closed-source stuff) requires NDA, which is done before you even get to see the EULA.

  3. what europian law says about sales contract by oliverthered · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The eu has just put up a huge (70,000 pages)
    site about europian rights
    here's the link relating to unfair contracts in the uk

    basicly it says you can ignore any shit or non plain language in the contracts, anything thats in contrntion lends to the side of the consumer.

    all good stuff

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  4. EULA forbids sharing by cmburns69 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Read your EULAs first. I've seen some (though I don't remember where) that forbid the publishing of the EULA.

    C.M.Burns

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    1. Re:EULA forbids sharing by SirSlud · · Score: 2

      You could get around those simply mby omitting the text but making reference to the company, product, and timline, and then note you couldn't publish it.

      Likely, it'd be the only notable thing about the EULA worth keeping on record.

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    2. Re:EULA forbids sharing by lionchild · · Score: 2

      That sounds contradictory. There's no EULA to cover the EULA. The EULA covers the software, not itself.

      What if I didn't agree the the EULA of the product, and never opened it? Would I be in trouble for reproducing it? Are EULA's copyrighted? (I'll have to go look at a few now..)

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    3. Re:EULA forbids sharing by EvanED · · Score: 2

      >>There's no EULA to cover the EULA

      But there is US law to cover the EULA, assuming you're in the US. Reading through USC Title 17, I see no excemption that would make EULAs public domain. May have to summarize them.

    4. Re:EULA forbids sharing by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2

      What if I didn't agree the the EULA of the product, and never opened it? Would I be in trouble for reproducing it?

      Then you don't have a contract with the other party, which means if it's copyrighted you don't have a license to redistribute it.

      Are EULA's copyrighted?

      Yes, if the author/client wants them to be.

      And since the US copyright law was "harmonized" with the Bourne Convention they don't even have to SAY that they're copyrighted to be copyrighted.

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    5. Re:EULA forbids sharing by EvanED · · Score: 2

      But then you still have the problem of it being in Leagalish. And I think it would look even better if you kept quotes for milestone clauses.

    6. Re:EULA forbids sharing by Webmonger · · Score: 2

      Rather hard to type out a EULA without reading it. . .

    7. Re:EULA forbids sharing by ThePilgrim · · Score: 2

      If you can find a common amount of text in all these EULA's then tou could publish that and a diff file to get to the one you could not publish.

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  5. Are you sure it is legal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    EULAs maybe copyrighted material after all.

    1. Re:Are you sure it is legal? by Bouncings · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I'm not sure about that. An agreement is between two parties. That would mean that both parties should have equal rights to the document itself to share with their lawyers, business affiliates, or whoever else they deem appropriate. ie; If you can't copy it, then neither can the software company.

      Of course, like all legal matters, Slashdot readers have the authoritative opinion. NOT. I'm not a lawyer, and I don't play one on TV. Usually.

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    2. Re:Are you sure it is legal? by mark-t · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ever heard of fair use? It's outlined in the copyright act explicitly exactly what people are allowed to copy and the conditions under which such copying is allowed.

      Quoting EULA's, even if they are copyrighted, would be completely legal in the context of a compilation such as this, so long as suitable credit is given, as would be the case with any academic work. This sort of compilation is being put together in the interests of reseearch and education, so fair use applies.

    3. Re:Are you sure it is legal? by lpontiac · · Score: 2
      Ever heard of fair use?

      I think so, is it something from the olden days?

    4. Re:Are you sure it is legal? by Bouncings · · Score: 2
      What if you consider the EULA to be just part of the software?
      The software isn't a contract, then.
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  6. If you succeed, by oni · · Score: 2, Funny

    in a few months, EULA's will contain a provision that prohibits the posting of EULAs!

  7. Way to get around copyrights by EvanED · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you really have time, you might want to try to make an English translation of the EULAs so you're not breaking the copyright on them.

    1. Re:Way to get around copyrights by Razzak · · Score: 2, Funny

      lol... and then.

      "You agree to not keep a copy of this EULA so you don't know how bad we're screwing you."

    2. Re:Way to get around copyrights by isorox · · Score: 2

      "You agree to not keep a copy of this EULA so you don't know how bad we're screwing you."

      You agree to this EULA but you may not read it.

  8. First no-benchmarks EULA? by crow · · Score: 3, Interesting

    One point to watch for would be the first EULA that prohibits publishing performance benchmarks. This is now fairly common for high-end software, and is one of the more evil provisions out there.

  9. You can reverse engineer, regardless of the EULA by Tim+Ward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Provided you live somewhere civilised, of course, like Europe for example.

  10. Already submitted by bravehamster · · Score: 2

    Sumbitted the following:

    Windows 2000 Advanced Server
    Dungeon Siege
    Mechwarrior4
    Quicktime6 for Windows
    SimCoaster

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  11. Re:Unauthorised distribution of EULA's infringing? by plover · · Score: 2
    Listen to yourself: You seem to think a LAWYER would not pursue legal action because they were EMBARRASED by the action? Personally, I'm amazed that Hilary Rosen can get up in the morning and breathe the same oxygen as humans.

    At least you weren't so redundant as to disclaim yourself with IANAL. That much is obvious.

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  12. OT:Windows XP EULA by Henry+V+.009 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Has anybody counted up how many pages of EULAs you are obligated to read in order to install Windows XP with full updates? I think I'll put a running total on my webpage.

    1. Re:OT:Windows XP EULA by Jeffrey+Baker · · Score: 3, Funny

      No, but I was just installing Windows 2000 Pro into a VMWare device. To install Service Pack 2, I had to accept the EULA for the control that checks to see what updates you need, the EULA for the widget that downloads the SP2 installer, the EULA for the SP2 installer, and the EULA for SP2.

      Then I went down to the local burrito stand and somehow they forgot the EULA for my burrito! Ignorant bastards.

  13. EULAs... by *xpenguin* · · Score: 2, Interesting

    $ cd eulas/
    $ ls -1 | wc -l
    412
    $ du -h
    513M .
    $ cd ../
    $ tar -czf eulas.tar.gz eulas/
    $ ls -lh eulas.tar.gz
    2MB eulas.tar.gz

  14. Re: No Warranty by ashitaka · · Score: 2

    ALL current EULA's include this. Usually all in uppercase stating that there is no warranty that the software will work or be of any use to you whatsoever.

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  15. User will not reverse engineer this EULA! by bugnuts · · Score: 2

    But seriously.... I hope the database has a line for entering the date and the exact product. EULAs change over time, even for the same product, and it'd be interesting to discover changes.

  16. Re:Unauthorised distribution of EULA's infringing? by ZaMoose · · Score: 2

    Have you ever seen Hilary Rosen? "She's" obviously not a she; rather, she is a sophisticated enviro-hazard suit inhabited by a methane-breathing Jovian.

    Jack Valenti's model appears to be by the same manufacturer, but it has seen considerably more wear and tear, by the looks of it.

    *grin*

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  17. EULA's for the hobbiest by Mr_Silver · · Score: 2
    My question last time the EULA article came around never seemed to be answered so I'll try again.

    In short, for a hobbiest programmer who doesn't want to release his code under an "open" licence, what can they do if EULA's cannot be legally enforced? If this means, that they're going to be held liable if the program breaks then you're getting to the point when you could get in legal hot water.

    Secondly, I hate sounding dense but can someone give me a PROPER description of the legality of these EULA's with both purchased products and downloaded items. I've heard so much stuff at the moment about whether or not EULA's are legally enforcable (with different rulings in different countries) that I'm not sure what the hell is going on.

    If you have to start your post with IANAL (or similar) then please don't bother replying! It would be nice to have some solid facts instead of comment or guesswork!

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  18. Idea for database use by Monkeyman334 · · Score: 2

    There should be a checklist of rights taken away by a EULA, and then have a client that will check software you're installing. So before you do your shopping, you can check the database with certain checkboxes, and choose from the list of returns. Or maybe do it on a point system (like SpamAssassin for EULAs). If a large enough userbase was formed that sales hurt enough by having an overly restrictive EULA, then it might be able to persuade some companies to change their EULA to something more reasonable. You might even be able to get past any copyright issues about publishing the EULA if you don't publish the text of it, just the checklist.

  19. Could be interesting if... by MadFarmAnimalz · · Score: 2

    you had a rating system and a flexible reporting module, such that, for example, one could track the restriction level of Microsoft OS licences across the years or distribution channels, and such...

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  20. Here 's mine :) by 2Bits · · Score: 2

    All OS softwares should license as easy as this:


    You can do whatever you want with this software, including making money and making yourself filthy rich. However, if you modify and improve this software, you must make your modification available to anyone who requests it, including the source code of your modification, and without imposing any extra conditions.

    And if you are caught distributing this software, you'll receive a pad on the back for doing the good job.


    Ah well, just a simpler version of this

  21. You sure can by drew_kime · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The question is whether or not you can copyright a legal document such as the EULA.
    See here for the dry, legalistic explanation, or here for the analysis.

    Essentially, Texas (and many other states) passed a building code "by reference." What this means is that they wrote a law saying, "Construction Company Consortium Foo has published a building code called Bar. It is now the law. Ask them for a copy." Builders are now requiored to follow a law they are not legally allowed to view, except by buying it from the industry association that wrote it.
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  22. Test this in court! Prohibitions are dubious by mekkab · · Score: 2

    I'm pretty sure I once clicked through a EULA where I promised my first born son and regular virgin sacrifices...

    The legality of certain portions of the eula are dubious at best. Not to mention that once something like this finally went to court, this sort of compilation of EULAs would be part of the discovery process!

    You gotta love lawyers. Especially when one of 'em is your wife.

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    1. Re:Test this in court! Prohibitions are dubious by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 4, Funny
      You gotta love lawyers. Especially when one of 'em is your wife.
      I would make a joke about you getting to screw a lawyer back, but since you're married to her I know she's not letting you do that.
    2. Re:Test this in court! Prohibitions are dubious by BdosError · · Score: 2
      Actually, that's probably where the part about "Severability" comes in. Essentially, if any part is deemed illegal, the rest is agreed to be still enforceable. So, they'd invalidate the "first born" clause, but keep the rest.

      Guess the sharks thought of that one.

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    3. Re:Test this in court! Prohibitions are dubious by Happy+Monkey · · Score: 2

      How does "Severability" work. If there is a severability clause in the contract, and the contract is deemed illegal, then wouldn't the severability clause be broken before it can take effect? It seems that the severability clause would have to be a separate contract. I guess allowing severability clauses is currently accepted shorthand for having contracts and severability contracts.

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    4. Re:Test this in court! Prohibitions are dubious by mpe · · Score: 2

      The legality of certain portions of the eula are dubious at best.

      Such a database might expose which bits of which EULAs are bogus.

  23. My favorite EULA by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 3, Interesting
  24. Wow! That's a lot of work... by dbCooper0 · · Score: 3, Funny
    No way am I gonna re-install all my OSs and Warez to cut and paste all that text!

    Tell ya what: gimme an account on yer FTP server and I'll upload them to you - you can do the work :)

    ps: How many gigs ya got free?

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  25. It's a Trick! (and some questions too) by Inexile2002 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Someone out there wants to market a random EULA generator and they're using /. to make up the data!

    Seriously, an EULA DB sounds like an excellent idea, but I have an implementation question. Have you considered marking them up in XML (a huge task, I'm sure) so that they can be searched for certain provisions? Reasoning here being that without good internal markup, you pretty much need to read through the whole EULA to compare it to another. Being able to search through the archive for different examples of specific clauses, specific allowances or provisions would be much more useful than simple searches for IE v.4 vs v.5

    Good luck though, this is an excellent idea, and I like the idea of seeing included in a software reviews lines like: "...and the EULA scores a 3.4 of 5 on the standardized EULA Draconian scale..."

    1. Re:It's a Trick! (and some questions too) by Inexile2002 · · Score: 2

      Just realized something... have you written up an EULA for the DB? Don't know why that occured to me.

      The other guy who replied here seems to have a solid suggestion. A cooperative effort to mark up the EULA's in XML would make this thing incredibly useful without loading the work all onto one person. If someone submits a DTD or preferably a Schema, would you accept it and accept EULAs that people submitted already marked up? (Assuming they marked them up according to the schema or DTD.)

  26. EULA Creation by vergil · · Score: 5, Informative
    After you've read through a dozen EULAs and TOS (Terms of Service) Agreements, you'll realize that the vast majority of shrinkwrap/clickwrap adhesion contracts are substantially similar.

    Most tech journalists fail to understand this -- evidenced by the ever-popular "New EULA Disclaims Implied Warranty of Merchantability!" articles.

    Most EULAs do not contain new, inventive or clever language. After all, they're essentially standard form contracts -- otherwise known as boilerplate -- meaning that one choice of forum/ anti-reverse engineering clause looks pretty much like another.

    I spent around a year (while at the Consumer Project on Technology) sifting through EULAs and contract related law, such as UCITA. Occaisionally, I would find an odd clause that appeared particularly draconian. I archived a few of those here.

    The EULA clauses I found most fascinating were the ones that: 1. purported to limit benchmarks/criticism of a software title (McAfee), 2. Specified favorable choice of law/forum jurisdictions, 3. attempted to squelch parodies of a software publisher's title (Microsoft).

    (yeah, I was the guy that submitted the previous, EULA harvesting Slashdot article). If you want any help dealing w/ EULAs, drop me a line.

    Sincerely,
    Vergil

  27. Re:Copyright issues by g4dget · · Score: 2
    This is illegal. A EULA is covered under copyright.

    That may or may not be true. It would mean that you can't use the same contract text for your own contracts. However, aggregation and publishing of EULAs for legal analysis seems like it ought to fall under "fair use".

    And stealing IP from lawyers is just asking for trouble.

    It's not "stealing" if it falls under "fair use".

  28. Copyrighten.... by jsimon12 · · Score: 2

    I think it is pretty enforcable, they are copyrighten, hence they just send you the typical piracy letter (piracy of their copyrighten text).

    1. Re:Copyrighten.... by interiot · · Score: 2

      And when you post their nastygram on your website to gain popular support, will they also request you take that down? I haven't heard of them doing this...

    2. Re:Copyrighten.... by jsimon12 · · Score: 2

      I agree, it wouldn't be a popular move, but I don't think doing unpopular things has stopped large coporations in the past. This guys wants to post the EULA as written, which some companies might construe as a very blatant copyright violation.

    3. Re:Copyrighten.... by EvanED · · Score: 2

      Consequences of copyright violation (http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/ch5.html):

      -Be forced to remove EULA from site
      -actual damages: lost profits in this case, or
      -statuatory damages, $750 to $30,000 normally (as determined "just" by the court) or $150,000 if the infringement was willful. If it wasn't willful, the minimum drops to $200
      -legal costs

  29. a cronology of TVT CD's by oliverthered · · Score: 2

    It looks like evrything was of untill 1990, when TVT put in the public performance clause.
    then in 1992 the lending clause made it's nasty way in there.

    1989 tvt (UK):
    "unauthorized duplication is a violarion of applicable laws."

    1990 tvt (UK):
    nothing except the standard copyright 1990!

    1990 tvt (Australia):
    "unauthorized public performance, broadcasting, leasing and copying of this disk is prohibitred"

    1992 tvt (uk):
    "unauthorized copying, hiring, lending, public performance broadcasting of this disk prohibitred"

    1994 tvt (uk):
    "unauthorized copying, hiring, lending, public performance and broadcasting prohibitred"

    source:
    a few CD's of my cd rack.

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  30. I guess I'm missing the point ... by SuperDuG · · Score: 2
    ... I mean ... we've all thoroughly read through all the EULA's we agree to, right? I mean it's not like we just click, sign, or higlight our acceptance without reading what we've agreed to, right? Wait one gosh darn minute, are you trying to tell me that people actually don't take the time to read the EULA that comes with the service they're buying?

    Hey, fine print was invented for a reason, to screw the EU over.

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    1. Re:I guess I'm missing the point ... by rtaylor · · Score: 2

      I always tried to read a good chunk. So, after a while I gave up buying all software. Cost too much in time to install.

      It's one of the reasons I dislike the GPL. I know exactly what the BSD, Apache, X, etc. licenses say. But I only have a general understanding of the GPL, so given the choice I use and produce BSD licensed code.

      Ahh.. for the good old days, when if you screwed someone over they'd simply linch you -- not claim license violation. Much simpler.

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  31. Performance testing by joeflies · · Score: 2

    One item that I find of particular interest is the EULAs which specifically forbid the end user to do a) performance testing on the software or b) publish any results of a performance test unless the vendor is given prior notification. The vendor reasoning is that there are too many variables in any performance test so any result is skewed. But these types of experiments are important especially when the vendor is make a claim about how great their performance is, and whether certain software will do the job in a given scenario.

    1. Re:Performance testing by Reziac · · Score: 2

      If the vendor doesn't like the benchmarks from my hardware and setup, they can bloody well donate a "more appropriate" setup for me to test it on. :)

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  32. Re:Copyright issues by datastew · · Score: 3, Interesting

    He is not stealing. Copyrighted materials are allowed to be reproduced as part of a critique of the material. He is obviously not trying to gain from the endeavor, but to critique the copyrighted works.

  33. This is brilliant by corebreech · · Score: 2

    I will gather every EULA I can and send it in.

    Great idea!

  34. ...AND the challenge to the code (c) doesn't apply by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Texas (and many other states) passed a building code "by reference." What this means is that they wrote a law saying, "Construction Company Consortium Foo has published a building code called Bar. It is now the law. Ask them for a copy." Builders are now requiored to follow a law they are not legally allowed to view, except by buying it from the industry association that wrote it.

    There's a challenge to the building code copyright, on the basis that the intent of the model code was for it to be written into law, so writing it into the law is fair use and then copies of the law are then not copyrighted (though the model code, with the identical words, still is).

    Of course if that loophole for the building code pans out it won't apply to ELUAs. They were never passed into law by a legislature, so their copyrights (if any) are rock-solid.

    They're a CONTRACT. As such they're the work product of one or more lawyers, probably a work-for-hire so the client owns the copyright. Contracts are allowed to be secret. Making a few extra copies of one you have signed or are considering might be fair use. But putting the full text of one in a database and publishing the database almost certainly isn't.

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  35. I don't have them, you know, on me but by The_Shadows · · Score: 2

    I would guess that the rundowns of answers should read something like this:

    I want to know the first EULA that said we can't reverse engineer their software: I would wager it was one of the first pieces of software when copyright became a concern. Probably one of the first flavors of MAC OS or Windows.

    first that said they can watch our activities: Which came first? Gator or WinXP? Maybe a version of IE or Media Player before these?

    I want to know how the NES agreement differs from the GameCube: Did the NES even have an agreement? Have fun and enjoy? I can't remember ever having one, of course the box/manuals/instructions went away a long time ago. Did Nintendo lighten, or tighten restrictions? Now, with the potential to rip Gamecube games, I would guess that the Gamecube has much tighter restrictions.

    What permissions we have been given, and taken away over that period. What rights did we have in Windows 3.1, compared to Windows XP?: I'd guess that we've been given many additional permissions. Windows 3.1, IIRC, didn't really have much in the EULA regarding the Internet. I don't think it was a huge factor at the onset.

    I will try my best to find some of these older EULAs. I'm pretty sure I've got WIN 3.1 sitting around somewhere. I can fire it up and see where it leads.

    Really though, as time goes by, I think companies want to protect their product as much as possible. They're more and more concerned with "piracy" (--I'm not raping and pillaging, so how is it piracy?) and the like, which is just another reason to change how users can use their systems. There are certain ways where this doesn't affect the majority, ie the reverse engineering clauses, but when you start to deal with things like privacy invasions, that affects almost all users, excluding those not on the net or with decent firewalls.

    MS and Mac have been concerned with things like this from practically their beginnings. Palladium is MS's next step in restricting consumer rights, dictating what you can and cannot put on your own computer.

    Just my $.02. I'd write more, but my day is done, and I'm going home from work now. Later.

  36. Re: Veeck v. SBCCI by wendy · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Fifth Circuit recently overruled that panel opinion, holding that people could not be barred by copyright from reading or copying "the law". See here for more.

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  37. Re:...AND the challenge to the code (c) doesn't ap by shyster · · Score: 2
    Contracts are allowed to be secret. Making a few extra copies of one you have signed or are considering might be fair use. But putting the full text of one in a database and publishing the database almost certainly isn't.

    I could see that logic being applied to a negotiated contract; Company X may not want Company Y to know what Company Z's terms are. But EULA's are boiler plate and distributed to anyone who buys the software. They're not exactly secret, and I could be considering accepting the EULA for almost any software product at anytime.

  38. Re:Copyright issues by Henry+V+.009 · · Score: 2

    You can't use the same contract text for your own contracts -- there are actually people who have sued over that. And fair use almost always applies to using only part of the whole. This would copy the whole thing.

  39. Sorry, that doesn't work. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2

    If you really have time, you might want to try to make an English translation of the EULAs so you're not breaking the copyright on them.

    The original Copyright covers translations, too.

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    1. Re:Sorry, that doesn't work. by EvanED · · Score: 2

      By "translation", I was trying to play on the difference between the English that normal people speak and the English lawyers speak. If you really can't figure out what I meant, here is my post reworded:

      "If you have time, you might want to make a list of the restrictions the EULA makes and put that into a database so you're not breaking the copyright on them."

  40. EULAcritic.com? :-) by phillymjs · · Score: 2

    I can see it now, the day after a major software package is released, the site slows to a crawl as everyone scrambles to check out the EULA so they're not left out of the chat around the water cooler!

    ~Philly

  41. I have your translation right here: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    We are $BIG_CORP. You're just an individual. Bend over like the bitch that you are because we have enough money and lawyers to crush any opposition you might present. Have a nice day, and enjoy your limited rights to use $BIG_CORP products.

  42. Would... by NeuroManson · · Score: 2

    Collecting and redistributing EULAs be in fact a violation of the terms of the EULA in the first place? Oh the irony...

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  43. A simple summary of every EULA ever printed by Mtgman · · Score: 2

    I think this project is slightly reminiscent of work done at the Maximegalon Instititue for Slowly and Painfully Working Out the Suprisingly Obvious. Let me save you a little work.

    Here, in a nutshell, is the heart of every EULA.

    All your base are belong to us.

    Steven

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  44. My EULA... by deander2 · · Score: 2


    All your base are belong to us!

    1. Re:My EULA... by rmohr02 · · Score: 2

      That's an M$ EULA, right?

  45. Side effect by Have+Blue · · Score: 2

    One more advantage of this site is that it will allow you to read the EULA of a piece of software you are considering without having to download, buy, or un-shrinkwrap it.

  46. Get a crapload of EULA's by rworne · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Hop on Gnutella, Kazaa or your favorite P2P application and search for "eula" or "license.txt".

    You'll get tons of them from people sharing their C: drives to the while world from Windows boxes.

    Using the "Find" utility on this NT box yields EULA's for Acrobat, MS Messenger, MS Chat, NetMeeting NT, Microsoft Internet, Winzip, MS Office, and Internet Explorer.

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  47. By default by unicorn · · Score: 2

    I believe that by default virtually anything that you "create" including things like an EULA are copyrighted, unless that right is specifically waived.

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  48. great idea .. here's something I'd like to see by Dr.+Awktagon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've thought about this myself. What I wanted to do was "color code" each phrase/sentence in the EULA, and come up with some "EULA-description markup language" for it. There would be a different color for each of these categories:

    Redundant text (pink or gray maybe) - anything that repeats copyright law, i.e., "you may not distribute copies"

    Dubious text (red) - anything that attempts to limit your rights further than copyright law, i.e., "you may not use this product to disparage microsoft" .. I call it dubious because this is the stuff that shouldn't be binding unless you've signed a contract.

    Descriptive text (blue) - anything that describes the behavior of the product or the company, i.e., "if multiple versions of this product are detected, we will drop a bomb on your grandmother's house", or "this product will delete the competitor's product upon installation". This isn't really "license"-related, but describes the product.

    Rights-granting text (green) - anything that says you have permission from the copyright holder to do things you're not otherwise allowed to do, i.e., "you may distribute copies verbatim if you include this copyright notice"

    Filler text (light green) - this is junk that you should ignore completely, such as any "summaries" (if the license is binding, it's the LICENSE that's binding, not any summary they may have written for your benefit). This also includes the stuff in the GPL about "freedom", which is nice to know, but not necessary.

    Imagine having each license color-coded like this, you could even view thumbnails of the licenses to see which one was best, showing the different blocks of color at a glance. For instance, the GPL would probably be all "Filler" and "Rights-granting" and you could visually see that it indeed is more "consumer-friendly" (lots of green) than the average microsoft license (lots of red).

    Also note, any license that says "the terms of this license are subject to change" should be treated specially (for instance, all BRIGHT RED), since, for all intents and purposes, it may change *completely* at any time, and could conceivably be 100% Dubious and should be treated as such.

    I'd love to see something like this combined with a database of licenses.

    1. Re:great idea .. here's something I'd like to see by glwtta · · Score: 2
      Also note, any license that says "the terms of this license are subject to change" should be treated specially (for instance, all BRIGHT RED)

      most (if not all) commercial licenses would then be bright red. a simple flag, in addition to the rest of it, would probably be better

      interesting idea, but it assumes that the amount of "damage" or "good" that a clause does is proportional to its length, this could be very misleading.

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    2. Re:great idea .. here's something I'd like to see by Phexro · · Score: 2

      This idea is interesting, but flawed. All you are measuring is the volume of certain types of text, not their impact.

      I could write a license that explains your right to eat bananas, and a few sentences that give me the right to drain your bank account, elope with your daughter, and reposses your cat.

    3. Re:great idea .. here's something I'd like to see by Phexro · · Score: 2

      Whoops. Should have read:

      "I could write a license that explains your right to eat bananas with four paragraphs..."

    4. Re:great idea .. here's something I'd like to see by Dr.+Awktagon · · Score: 2

      Perhaps..though if I were looking at a license in this hypothetical database and there was a single sentence in a bright red font, and the rest was some other color, I think I'd read that one first.. so it would highlight the important parts!

  49. *sigh* by ebbomega · · Score: 2

    All your funny are belong to a year and a half ago!
    Someone set up us the dead horse!
    You have no chance to be funny make your time!

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  50. Bad timing by unicorn · · Score: 2

    Last month I was cleaning house, and tossed at least 100 old manuals for computer games. Dating back at least 10 years.

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  51. Quest for the first EULA! by FyRE666 · · Score: 3, Funny

    IANAL, but if someone were to discover the first EULA used in a piece of commercial software (that still bore some relevance to current EULAs), bought it from the original owner and decided to defend its patent on the EULA, couldn't this company then claim royalties from all other software companies for using EULAs that were "substantially identical"?

    Better still, don't demand royalties, just prohibit anyone from using anything substantially identical to piss them all off ;-)

    1. Re:Quest for the first EULA! by pacc · · Score: 2

      Yup,
      Just to raise havoc - don't publish the EULA's to chanllenge copyrights, just use it to scan for companies that cut-and-paste someone elses EULA and tip them off to raise havoc for averyone that uses them...

  52. The Ultimate EULA by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 2


    In case there is any doubt about where things are going, here is the Ultimate EULA:

    You agree that I can do anything I like, and that you have no power whatsoever.

    You agree to say only good things about me.


    (I once knew a 3-year-old who said things like this.)

  53. Re:Copyright issues by glwtta · · Score: 2
    Copyrighted materials are allowed to be reproduced as part of a critique of the material.

    ah, the quaint old, pre-DMCA days...

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  54. translation? by commodoresloat · · Score: 2

    You can't do it; an English translation of the EULA would clearly be a circumvention device. Illegal under the DMCA of course.

  55. Nintendo EULA? by Guppy06 · · Score: 2

    Unless they've changed something with the GameCube that I don't know about (I don't have one yet), there are no licensing agreements for the end-users of Nintendo hardware or Nintendo-licensed software. There's a warning in the back of instruction manuals of recent games against copying, but that's all it is: a warning. Heck, we're talking about a company that has historically relied on nothing more than physical incompatibilities bewteen regional consoles (number of pins in NES vs. Famicom, plastic tabs in cartridge slots of SNES, N64, etc.) to separate their markets.

    If you want to talk about SDK user and/or game liscencing and such, I can almost guarantee you that those licenses have mellowed dramatically over the years (from "Thou Shalt Not Release Games on non-Nintendo Systems for 4 Years" through a number of lawsuits to "Hey, we're just glad you're coding for our console").

    1. Re:Nintendo EULA? by Guppy06 · · Score: 2
      "Nintendo cartridge games (GB and N64) prohibit making backup copies with ROM dumpers, saying that backups are "unnecessary"."

      Um, that's so far from a EULA that it's not even funny. Here's a typical warning thingie from the back of the instruction manual of Pokemon Stadium 2:
      WARNING: Copying of any Nintendo game is illegal and is strictly prohibited by domestic and international copyright laws. "Back-up" or "archival copies are not authorized and are not necessary to protect your software. Violators will be prosecuted.
      There's nothing there saying anything along the lines of "By running this software you agree to..." The warning continues on with the usual "unauthorized copying devices void your warranty" stuff.

      The next paragraph after this is more interesting, though:
      The contents of this notice do not interfere with your statutory rights.
      While the rest of the warning does very well in intimidating those people who don't know what the phrase "Title 9" refers to, this line right there essentially guarantees you all the fair use rights you can shake a stick at (including archival copying).

      The closest thing to a EULA in all this is the next paragraph:
      The rental of this game without permission of Nintendo or its licensees is strictly prohibited
      . This doesn't effect the end users and, while IANAL, I don't think this statement has a legal leg to stand on (I don't recall the details of the lawsuit Nintendo brought against rental places in the late 80's).

      "Guess they've never witnessed the abuse that consoles get put through. ;)"

      With a reasonable amount of care (ie. common sense) cartridge-based consoles and games last a heck of a lot longer than many PC parts I can think of. While the HDD on this computer dating from the late 90's is dying and racking up the bad clusters, my copy of The Legend of Zelda is old enough to drive (God I feel old...) and loads just fine, with the battery pak still holding data using the original (!) lithium battery. How CD- and DVD-based consoles (with their moving parts) fare remains to be seen...
  56. Performance Benchmarking Restriction by mojorisin67_71 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    According to folklore in the database world,
    Oracle was the first to have the restriction
    for publishing performance data.
    This is documented in here

  57. I want to see the secret DVD EULA by Sloppy · · Score: 3, Insightful
    No, I don't mean the contract between DVD player manufacturers and DVDCCA, although that would be interesting as well.

    I mean the license for the DVD consumer. The contract between MPAA and you.

    There must be one. You see, under DMCA, you are violating the law every time you play a CSS-protected DVD, unless you have authorization to bypass the technological device that restricts access. If you have authorization, then bypassing wasn't circumvention. If you don't have authorization, then bypassing was circumvention.

    And there is only one possible way that you can have this authorization: if you got it from them, somehow.

    You either you got permission from them, and playing the DVD is legal, or you didn't, or you're a DMCA criminal.

    Since MPAA attacked DeCSS, we can infer that this authorization is conditional; it doesn't just come with buying the DVD. They don't just say, "Anyone who buys our DVD may watch it." We know it's not that simple. But what the actual conditions are, or any other aspects of this deal is, remain highly mysterious. It might be that people with dark skin are not allowed to watch DVD. Or it may just have descriptions of the type of equipment that you're allowed to play it on, or something like that. Who knows?

    The only way to know, is to see the text of the license that states under what conditions the end user is authorized to bypass the access control.

    Whatever this license is, it's an interesting one, like the GPL, in that it actually grants you a power that you would otherwise not have (permission to watch the DVD, which would otherwise by prohibited by DMCA), in exchange for taking away other rights. Just as you can't redistribute a GPL program (a power you ordinarily wouldn't have) without either violating copyright law or agreeing to the GPL's terms, you can't watch a DVD without either violating the DMCA law or agreeing to the mystery license.

    I think the license must remain secret, because if it were disclosed, it would be blatant evidence of product-tying and trigger Antitrust action. Of course, you shouldn't speak too loudly about the contract possibly having illegal terms in it, because if it's an illegal contract, then it's an invalid contract, and then you don't have authorization to watch DVDs. So if you want to watch the movie, shut your mouth.

    To watch DVDs, we must be resigned to having agreed to a secret contract we'll never get to see the terms of. Does MPAA own your house? Are you sure?

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    1. Re:I want to see the secret DVD EULA by rmohr02 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Too complicated, try this:

      You do not have the right to do anything to this DVD except to read the back and use the shiny part of the disc as a mirror. If you exceed these rights, then you forfeit the use of the shiny part of the disc as a mirror.

  58. I want to know... by Arandir · · Score: 2

    I want to know which EULA first said "by using this software you agree to...".

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  59. Look at creative commons by smiff · · Score: 2
    Those are almost all good ideas (highlighting the whole license red when the terms allow changes is a bad idea). You could further enhance this plan by copying an idea from Creative Commons. They use five symbols to represent different characteristics of a license.

    You could apply a similar system to ordinary EULAs. If the license grants you new rights, use a picture of lady liberty. If the license restricts you more than copyright alone, use a picture of lady liberty in hand cuffs. If the license allows spying, use a picture of someone in the shower as seen through binoculars. If the license allows the copyright holder to change the terms, use a picture of the devil holding up the contract.

  60. He speaks heartfelt.... by Snaller · · Score: 2

    >Perhaps because you don't want to download all
    >the software just to discover that you can't
    >accept the EULA terms?
    Yeah, it must be a real bother downloading a lot of software and then finding you can't accept the EULA ;)

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    1. Re:He speaks heartfelt.... by Fesh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How about this... Perhaps you don't want to buy the software, take it home, open the box, find out you can't accept the EULA, and then discover on attempting to return it that you can't get your money back either? I think this concept is interesting because it opens up another front that software companies will need to compete on (at least for users who know enough to check the site first). After all, one of the most evil bits about EULAs in my opinion is that they don't let you see it until it's too late to decide whether or not to spend the money.

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    2. Re:He speaks heartfelt.... by aufait · · Score: 4, Informative
      Perhaps you don't want to buy the software, take it home, open the box, find out you can't accept the EULA, and then discover on attempting to return it that you can't get your money back either?

      I tried this 2 to 3 weeks ago. I bought a copy of MS Money from Staples, took it home, started the installation since there was no paper copy of the EULA till I got to the EULA, printed out the EULA, and took it back for a refund.

      I fully expected to get the runaround. The store saying they don't give refunds while MS tells me to take it back to the store. To my surprise, I managed to talk the manager into giving me a refund. (That makes me 3 for 3 on obtaining refunds on opened software. The first two had nothing to do with EULA issues.)

      The turning point was the printed EULA. The text on the box said "return for a refund" without specifing where or how to do the return. However, the EULA said "return to the place of purchase for a refund".

      I had highlighted the "magic phrase" and pointed out that they were authorized resellers of MS software and asked why they weren't honoring the EULA. At that point, the manager made a copy of that page of the EULA and gave me a cash refund.

      An interesting sidenote. Money actually installed all the software before showing the EULA. I had to finesse the question: "Did you install the software?" I answered: "I went as far as I had to until I was able to read the EULA".

      I am convinced, although I have no proof, based on my conversations with managers when obtaining refunds on software, that MS not only knows, but requires, stores to have the "no refund" policy.

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  61. Re:...AND the challenge to the code (c) doesn't ap by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2
    Contracts are allowed to be secret. Making a few extra copies of one you have signed or are considering might be fair use. But putting the full text of one in a database and publishing the database almost certainly isn't.
    I could see that logic being applied to a negotiated contract; Company X may not want Company Y to know what Company Z's terms are. But EULA's are boiler plate and distributed to anyone who buys the software. They're not exactly secret, and I could be considering accepting the EULA for almost any software product at anytime.

    That's not the issue.

    The issue is that the other party owns the right to copy the document, and to license that right to others in the way that, in their opinion, will maximize their return (or otherwise do things to advance their interests). It's THEIRS. They OWN it. YOU can only use it (beyond "fair use") if you BUY the right from them, and only to the extent that they voluntarily licensed you.

    Now maybe you're a competitor writing your own ELUA who doesn't want to spend the money on lawyers to craft one for you, but instead intend to take advantage of the text THEY paid THEIR lawyers to write - and then to litigate and set precedent with. Or maybe such people will read the data base and do the same. Or maybe you'll publish articles holding it up for ridicule and copy the WHOLE THING as a sidebar. Doesn't matter. It's theirs. If they don't want you to do something with it that, in THEIR opinion, hurts them (or doesn't help them enough, or doesn't fit their business model), tough luck.

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  62. he explained his reasons..... by johnpaul191 · · Score: 2

    he said it is not to create a place so we can all read those things we have ignored.
    the intention is to mark the evolution of the EULA and see where certain key things started to pop in (like reverse engineering).
    as for the legal side or compiling them, i don't know. i don't remember ever readin far enough into one to got to something like that. oops.

  63. No EULA for NES by llzackll · · Score: 2, Informative

    I don't remember NES games having an agreement.. Basically it said you may not copy this illegaly.

  64. Re:Copyright issues by Henry+V+.009 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Don't be a dumbass.

    Veeck v. SBCCI refers to law passed by a legislature. As law, it must be public. For that reason, the higher court overturned the ruling. A contract is a different beast, being an agreement between two parties, and may be private. A contract is not a law. Copyright applies.

  65. best EULA by eddeye · · Score: 2, Funny

    Bloodthirsty License Agreement

    This is where the bloodthirsty license agreement is supposed to go,
    explaining that Interactive Easyflow is a copyrighted package licensed
    for use by a single person, and sternly warning you not to pirate
    copies of it and explaining, in detail, the gory consequences if you
    do.

    We know that you are an honest person, and are not going to go around
    pirating copies of Interactive Easyflow; this is just as well with us
    since we worked hard to perfect it and selling copies of it is our only
    method of making anything out of all the hard work.

    If, on the other hand, you are one of those few people who do go around
    pirating copies of software you probably aren't going to pay much
    attention to a license agreement, bloodthirsty or not. Just keep your
    doors locked and look out for the HavenTree attack shark.

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  66. Ancient UNIX by SecretAsianMan · · Score: 3, Informative

    Heh. One of the first things printed on the console by many early unices in the PDP-11 era was "RESTRICTED RIGHTS". This goes back a lot further than one thinks.

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  67. Re:You can reverse engineer, regardless of the EUL by kasperd · · Score: 2, Informative

    Could you post a link to the source of that information?

    Here is a link to Chapter 2 in the Danish law on copyright. Paragraph 36 and 37 are interesting. Obviously this is written in Danish, it would be interesting with links to similar laws in other European countries.

    I'll try to explain to the best of my abilities what this law says:

    Paragraph 36 says that if you have the right to use a program, you may also fix bugs, make backupcopies, and run the program to see how it works. Stk 4 says you cannot give up these rights by agreement.

    Paragraph 37 says you may make copies and translations of a program if this is necesarry to get the information needed to achieve interoprability between software you develop and other software. Point 1 says it may be done by the licensee or people working for the licensee. Point 2 says it may only be done if the necesary information is not easily available in other ways. Point 3 says you may only translate parts necesarry to achieve the needed information. Stk 2 says the information may not be used for other pusposes than achieving interoprability. Stk 3 says the rights cannot be given up by agreement.

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  68. Here's a really bad one by ch-chuck · · Score: 2

    [the product] is sold upon the condition that it shall not be re-sold to or by any unauthorized dealer or used for duplication, and that it shall not be sold, or offered for sale, by the original, or any subsequent purchaser (except by an authorized jobber or factor to an authorized retail dealer) for less than [price] in the united states, nor in other countries for less than the price given in the current [manufacturer] catalogues of the country in which it is sold. Upon any breach of said condition, the license to use and vend this [product], implied from such sale, immediately terminates.

    That's off a 1900 Edison blue amberol cylinder record.

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  69. The evolution of the EULA by guttentag · · Score: 2
    It would be interesting to grab a nice sample of EULAs across the last 2 decades to see what has changed, if anything.
    It's really very simple.

    All your base are belong to us
    became
    You must read and agree to the following End User License Agreement or you will be shut out of society forever:
    __ ____ __ . ___ __
    __ . ____ __ __ __
    . ___ __ ___ _ ______
    <I AGREE> <i'm a loser>
    The corporations exchanged their Japanese-speaking lawyers for Braille-speaking lawyers. Studies have shown that this leads to fewer "incidents" among uncooperative consumers.

    (Note: I attempted to recreate the actual legibility of the modern EULA with colons, periods and spaces, but the lameness filter quickly identified it as "junk..." hmm...)

  70. Re:Here is a really crappy EULA. by mpe · · Score: 2

    GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE

    The GPL makes a poor EULA because it is NOT an EULA in the first place. It's a licence for the distribution of copyright works. It specifically does not restrict how you use the software.

  71. Re:You can reverse engineer, regardless of the EUL by Shimbo · · Score: 2

    It's widely available. Here, for example. Other jurisdictionshave adopted it as a model.

  72. Re:You can reverse engineer, regardless of the EUL by Rakarra · · Score: 2
    Provided you live somewhere civilised, of course, like Europe for example.

    Yes, for awhile at least. But when the US passes some sort of draconian IP legislation, the EU quickly scrambles to propose a similar document for passage. Very soon Europe will have it's own DMCA (if it hasn't passed already, I haven't been checking on the progress of it). This is why I find the occasional catcalls of "you silly Americans and your silly laws, I'm glad I live in Canada/Europe/etc where we aren't bothered by that" to be somewhat shortsighted. Bad IP laws spread. Sure, maybe China and Russia might not have them (yet), but things change.