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August 22nd EFF Benefit Party at the DNA Lounge
Jamie Zawinski writes "Mark your calendars: on Thursday, August 22nd, we're throwing a benefit party for the EFF at DNA Lounge in San Francisco! In addition to great music from DDR, Kid606, and many others, you can also witness the carnage of the first ever Wil Wheaton versus Barney Celebrity Boxing Match! Can Wil, with his backing from the EFF, protect free speech and parody on the Internet and defeat Barney and his team of corporate lawyers? You can also join us earlier in the evening and meet Wil at a special VIP party: see the DNA Lounge announcement or the EFF press release for more details." Even if you can't attend, isn't now a good time to renew your membership?
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Are we talking about music from Dance Dance Revolution? If so, is that going to be because people are playing DDR soundtrack cd's or because the game is going to be there?
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hate linux and gtk and the revamped mozilla and doesn't he like things like Motif, OSF, UNIXWARE and CDE and the old crappy netscape 3 and 4. I mean who would want to be a fan of this guy anyway.
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I am impressed come on smack me down again go on and do it. It doesn't matter. Slashdot would have to take out a few class B networks to take me down.
Personaly, I am an irreverent nerd, and after years of not going to therapy I've come to like it. I also am willing to recognize that others haven't reached that point in their social development. The EFF is an important organization doing good work, but they need to be more careful in how others perceive them if they want to be an effective lobbying organization.
And, yes this is a rather sad statement.
Can Wil, with his backing from the EFF, protect free speech and parody on the Internet and defeat Barney and his team of corporate lawyers?
Surely this will aid in your quest to rid the world of the evils of intellectual property, the DMCA, and whatever else! Wil Wheaton vs Barney and the corporate lawyers!!!
you smelly fruits - welcome to troll tuesday. May your bawls be warm and your crapfloods be wide!
Well, most of the speech on the Internet seems to be whining. I'm not at all sure that I want whining to be protected. See, it's annoying. Besides whining, the Internet seems to consist mostly of porn, which I don't think is speech, since it doesn't really mean anything. So, I guess they're not protecting porn, even though porn has to be more entertaining than whining. Whatever, though.
As for protecting parodies, I think they have it backwards. I think we need to be protected from the parodies. Parodies on the Internet are really just that bad. If by "protect" them, the EFF locks them away, ne'er again to see the light of day, I suppose I can support that. Anything else, though, and I'm afraid the EFF and I must agree to disagree.
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the congress is going to pass laws taking our fair use rights away. if it was not for hippies like stallman demanding everything for free this would not have happened.
That letter to the lawyers threatinging the EFF with regards to the Barney parody (linked in the blurb above) is a good fun read.
All it's missing is the line "Say my name, Bitch" at the end.
slow news day? Aren't there any mozilla nightly builds to report on?
Didn't Wil Wheaton play Beverly Crusher's son on star trek? He should be doing a celebrity boxing match anyway.
The EFF is protecting free speech and parody on the Internet, you say?
Well, all of the speech on the Internet, that I write, seems to be whining. I'm not at all sure that I want myself to be protected. See, I'm annoying. Besides whining, I seem to subsist mostly on porn, which I don't think is speech, since it doesn't really mean anything. (that bits stupid enough to leave) So, I guess they're not protecting me, even though I have to be more entertaining than whining. Whatever, though.
I was gonna keep going and parody that last part when it occured to me that YOUR post must be a parody. I mean jesus fuck man it has to be. Its more blockheaded than Charlie Brown. And as for the EFF THEY are the people fighting to keep it possible so that YOU can keep posting your opinion online without fear of being sued to death. Sure you have the fear of being flamed, but then don't post such stupid shit in the first place.
This collides with the slashdot meetup date of next month....
I'm only showing up if they hand out cock-blockers at the door.
This sounds like a rockin' party, but I question if it perhaps sends people the wrong message. The majority of the public are unfamiliar with the EFF and the notion of Free Software.
I remember when I first mentioned Linux to my father, he responded that they'd been losing money...turns out he was referring to LNUX! Suffice it to say that even the more informed members of the public don't yet "get it" regarding electronic freedom.
Which brings us to this party. The EFF needs to demand respect. Would the ACLU, NRA, AARP, or NAACP be putting on a function like this? No. When it comes to lobbyist groups, public image is everything (well, after money, I guess). Linux users and Freedom proponents already tend to be perceived as hackers and pirates, and I don't think we need to add bohemianism (in San Francisco, no less) into the mix. Perhaps a public tennis tournament would be more in order?
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The hell with Barney. Let him jump in the ring with the Gorn or that "No Kill I" monster if he's got such big balls.
Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered Trollaxor community when last month CLIT confirmed that Trollaxor accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all trolls. Coming on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that Trollaxor has lost more pubic hair, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. Trollaxor is collapsing in complete disarray, as further exemplified by failing dead last in the recent troll tuesday.
You don't need to be a klerck to predict Trollaxor's future. The hand writing is on the wall: Trollaxor faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for Trollaxor because Trollaxor is DYING. Things are looking very bad for Trollaxor. As many of us are already aware, Trollaxor continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. Trollaxor.com is the most endangered of them all.
Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
CLIT leader k00sh states that there are 70 users of Trollaxor.com. How many users of t.c irc are there? Let's see. The number of trollaxor.com versus irc messages on t.c irc is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 70/5 = 14 AC shitheads pretending to be trollaxor. Crapflood posts on kiro5hin are about half of the volume of slashdot posts. Therefore there are about 700 crapflooders on Slashdot . A recent article put crapflooders at about 80 percent of the Trollaxor market. Therefore there are (70+14+7)*4 = 364 Trollaxor.com users. This is consistent with the number of Trollaxor.com posts.
Due to the troubles of Trollaxor, abysmal posts and so on, Trollaxor went out of business and was taken over by CLIT who sell another troubled trollboard. Now CLIT is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
All major surveys show that Trollaxor has steadily declined in market share. Trollaxor is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Trollaxor is to survive at all it will be among crapflood hobbyist dabblers. Trollaxor continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, Trollaxor is DEAD.
Trollaxor is DYING.
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This is already the fourth time that his website gets slashdotted.
You can also join us earlier in the evening and meet Wil at a special VIP party
Why do that, when I could just wait around for Wil to post a comment here and then strike up a conversation like a Star Trek obssesed stalker with no life?
Wil, I'm outside your house!
I disagree with qpt. My lawyers have been informed about my disagreement, and the writ is currently winging its way to him as we speak. Thats we as in yourself, derbobb, and myself, AC. Not qpt, though. He doesn't have anything to add to the conversation, and I disagree with him anyway.
Here's an idea: make sure there's a benefit scheduled to coincide with LISA in Philly. I'll go!
PS. EFF, if you're listening -- get your damn secure site fixed -- the last time I tried to donate, the site barfed; I had to print out a page with my CC info filled in and fax it -- and I still never actually got billed.
Need a UNIX/Linux/network guru in the Boulde
If this post were any more gay, you'de have to wear an AIDS ribbon to read it. Wil Wheaton... San Francisco... Whining about "Free Speech"... Techno... A "Cyber-Cafe"... Barney... The only thing that offsets these unspeakable acts faggotry is the... oh wait, there is nothing that offsets all that faggotry.
Congrats, Slashdot! You've promoted an event that affects about 1% of your readership, and even at that, about 1% of that 1% would even think about attending such an event. Neh, who gives a damn about informing people about things that matter. Stories about Star Trek geeks for the pre-schooler demographic help distract viewers away from the fact that VA cant even sell banner ads, let alone hardware....err, storage....err, software.. or whatever the hell theyre selling these days. Probably hamburgers Delicious, savory soy-burgers from deep in the heart of California, the super-dee-dooperest place in the world, ever.
If it were up to me, I would immerse the entire state of California in a 500-foot-thick epoxy-resin mold. I'd just flood the whole damn thing with millions upon millions of gallons of epoxy to preserve a snapshot of the circus, and sell tickets for the rest of the world to come see how fucked up they really are. I mean, think about it. Once Californians were frozen in their epoxy tomb, we could study them. More interestingly, perhaps, we could enjoy the sideshow element of it all. Its like seeing a real live circus sideshow without all that uncomfortable animal abuse and those unmedicated bipolar clowns. You know what i'm talking about... Clowns that cry. You know damn well its all an act. Those dirty, dirty clowns go back to their tent after a performance, shoot up a big wad of smack, pound back a fifth of Smirnoff and suck on a damp stogie they've kept in a cooler for two weeks. His clown suit seals in all the juices for you to enjoy during the next performance. The clowns sit desparately trying to forget their own humiliating lives, with the hope that the crowd actually gives a cat fart about them being the only thing standing between them and suicide by shotgun. 15 year olds with silicon implants, standing line next to old hags with bowling pin boobs. Thats California, the new madness, the new crime.
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Also, does it include objective C support, or just c/c++/fortran?
Aren't Barney jokes a little... oh I don't know... 1994?
In Capitalist America, bank robs you!
Obviously I haven't really woken up this morning and this is some kind of weird Slashdot dream.
I support the EFF, but this posting lacks content. The classified ads are diluting /.
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First, "Wanna Work for Dave Taylor & American McGee?"
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/07
Now this.
is the link in the main story that is kinda- hidden. Click on the barney link and read. in fact this needs to be printed and given to every CEO.
This is what lawyers are supposed to do.. in legaleze completely smack the face of the scumballs that send out threats like candy-grams.
This letter in it's own made me renew right away.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
You know, I believe in liberty. But that doesn't mean I immediately grasp blindly to anyone's political agenda. Now I am not being condescending on anyone here, but would like to get a broader perspective here.
There may be a scale issue here, where I just don't belong on that far side of the scale. What should I do?
And, please, give me some counter-arguments too. Why should I *not* join the EFF?
I'd hate to join a group where I can't agree with 100% of their political agenda. I'd rather not debate the issues, but want a perspective from all sides on the scale... Of course, this site might well be one-sided on the issue.
Where are the people who are most likely to understand technology issues and their implications?
Are they shopping at J. Crew? (hey! I shop at J.Crew!!!) Are they going to Britney Spears concerts? Are they in the malls?
Or are the electronically inclined listening to electronic music and are part of the culture that surrounds?!
When it comes to lobbying groups it is money first, numbers second, and then "social status" (WTF?!) dead last.
Perhaps a public tennis tournament would be buried under the US Open (which is currently for sale to the highest corporate bidder... I know because I've been in both the cheap seats and the oh-so-groovy, comfy, and very close corporate seats (not to mention the boxes, dear lord! the party boxes!))- unless the EFF can afford to be a major player in it.
Image is nothing. Money is everything. And if you can't get money, a whole mess of grass-roots activists are the next best thing.
And guess what? Them there ravers are going to be the power-elite of the future. Lets fill their heads with the good ideas now.
-an "ex" raver (if there is such a thing!)
P.S. yes, I am the power 31337 of the future!
In the future, I would want to not be isolated from my friends in the Space Station.
Obviously, someone knew he was going to get slashdotted. Wil's website has already batten'd the hatches and is off the net in order to protect his poor, long-suffering host from the strangling bandwidth. No word from Wil as to when it, and the forums, will be back up.
IRC chat is still available on the Undernet (no pithy comments, please) on channel #wwdn.
Must be nice living in San Francisco. All we can do here in Kent, Ohio is get drunk and have sex with our high school teachers.
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Your desire and candor: top notch
Your resilience and solicitude: supurb.
We love you, and glad you hate the most progressive state in the country. No doubt, things look different to you as fat, balding sys admin from Ohio. It's so pretty to think so. . .
I saw "means at are disposal". Don't they have the squiggly green underlines?
First the Mozilla party on a Wednesday and now the EFF Benefit on a Thursday. How about doing this sort of stuff on a weekend so people can actually attend?
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OK.... maybe I'm bitter, but being a long term Open Source hacker (Icecast, Liveice, Cgicast etc), EFF donator, and DJ in San Francisco you'd imagine there'd be some room for me on the DJ lineup. Hell the DNA Lounge even uses streaming software descended from my first open source mp3 streaming code.
Hell - I even released the first open source software that let people DJ live with mpeg audio (back then layer 2 was more established and needed less CPU). Since then I've reverted to good old vinyl, but Kid 606 is one of the better known DJ's who are forging new paths in live vinyl free performances.
Oh... and I don't suck either.... (listen to me a DJSnM.com)
Hell.... I'll DJ *and* fight Wil Wheaton and Barney at the same time....
"Even if you can't attend, isn't now a good time to renew your membership?"
No. Besides, never joined in the first place. I'm off to make money from the "evil" corporations...
Incidentally, Kid 606 f***ing rocks! I wish I lived in SF.
Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so. --Ford Prefect
Try pulling your head out of your ass, and realising that there's a world outside of your little videogame.
so can we.
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RTFJ.
It's just a freakin pinata. I want to see Wheaton square off with the real thing. Well, they could at least get a guy in a purple foam suit. Maybe I'll crash this event in costume and call WW to the mat. "Stop picking on paper effigies and fight someone your own size!"
Couldn't thet get Patrick Stewart, Michael Dorn, Scott Bakula, James Doohan, or at LEAST one of those DS9 types?
Sure as hell, not a "Wesley episode" ever went by during which I wasn't wishing and hoping that Worf would finally flip out and break the little prat in half once and for all. And I even did a little happy dance when they finally kicked his ass off the ship.
Wesley vs. Barney... I gotta admit, it's a hard choice as to who is the more annoying little shit. I hate to say it, but if I go, I may just have to be rooting for the RIAA on this one.
Dunno when I'm gonna be able to see someone of DDR's caliber up here in Van. Hopefully soon!
So, did he win tons of money for our favorite organization? How did he do? :) The EFF apparently got $10,000 just because he showed up. I tried searching the comments for "win" but didn't find anything.
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Is there something wrong with geeks kicking back and partying once and a while?
I'm sure if an EFF ref. stood before Congress, he wouldn't box with Barney the dinosaur with Kid606 kicking away in the background...
CAn'T CompreHend SARcaSm?
The notice on IDs says "No exceptions".
I wonder if this includes John Gilmore? (Chief Cypherpunk, owner of toad.com, and suer of airlines for requiring IDs.)
"Trademarks are the heraldry of the new feudalism."
EFF: Your letter contains two legal claims, neither of which is defensible under existing law.
Senator's cash register: *Kerching*
Barney: OK kids, how about now? Hehe!
EFF: Shit.
Ph33r m3!!!
The Slashdot meetup starts at 7:00pm. The DNA Lounge doesn't open until 8:00pm, and that's if you want to pay $50 for "VIP" entry. Otherwise it starts at 9:00pm.
Also, DNA Lounge is a 21+ venue, while the three possible locations for the meetup are all restaurant/bars, and thus are all ages.
Go to the meetup first, and then the EFF benefit. Probably many people will do this together.
BTW, there's a Yahoo discussion group/mailing list for Slashdot in San Francisco at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/slashdot-sf. Discussion of meetup location choices, and the EFF benefit conflict has been going on there.
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I'm sure they'll make an exception for someone like that, provided his ID can be verified.
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