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Aron Schatz writes "You've heard of wireless mice, but how about deskless ones? This baby doesn't need a suface of any kind to be used. This one comes direct from Gyration."
Didn't logitech make something similar to this with a track ball on it? I think it was called the "surfman" or something like that - really cool... had like a 20' range from the reciever box.
Re:Logitech
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questionlp
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I remember setting up one of those in a conference room at work... the problem was that the range wasn't that great and that the trackball wasn't very easy to work with.
Logitech has something kind of similar to the pointing device in the article, just it's not a gyro based (optical though), it has a laser pointer, and it's based on Bluetooth rather than RF. It's called a Cordless Presenter, more info can be found here and it costs a lot more than the gyro mouse.
I have a GyroPoint Pro sitting right here. It's a wireless as well as deskless mouse. Also it's from the same company, Gyration. Only thing that makes this one differ is when I searched for the date... 1995.
In that case, a question for someone using it now - how does the travel area work? When a mouse reaches the end of a mouse pad, you pick it up and move it to the middle (or you get a special "mouse pad upgrade" only $229 if you order now)... if every movement of the gyro is registered, how do you handle the regular drift that is incurred, resulting in you eventually leaving the travel area?
Another place where this would be a problem in games, where there is not a set "screen" that you can use to define the travel area - theoretically you could spend the entire game moving the mouse to the right (hint - don't play Quake with a digitizing pad).
I don't know about this. I can see my arm getting pretty tired after a while (LOTS of hours) of swinging and pointing with the mouse. That's the advantage of a desk mouse, you can rest your arm.
Then again, lots of geeks wouldn't find this a problem due to the extensive use of their right arm, what's a little more going to do?:p
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Re:tiredness
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spencerogden
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The article says it has an optical sensor as well. So you can use it as a desk mouse, and then use it in the air if/when you want/need to.
The strain works out to very little, and comes more from the fact that you have to hold a button to activate the motion sensor. Othwerwise, it doesn't really care what attitude it's in when you push the button, it goes relative from there.
You wouldn't use this for long-term computing, but to have it on the sofa for browsing instead of leaning over to grab a mouse is handy.
I stopped using mine for two reasons: 1. The RF sync system was very touchy and it would lose sync a lot when the voltage dipped. After a while, even replacing the rechargeable battery didn't help. 2. RF Optical mice got really cheap, and work just as well sitting on a sofa cushion as they do on a mousepad, and in a pinch you can use your free hand as a "surface" and hold it in the air.
I believe that the technical term for this kind of situation is called "gorilla arm". Named after the ape-like stance that eventually develops after using a touch-screen kiosk for a long period of time, primarily as a result of fatigue from holding your arm up while doing input.
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Uhmm
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Anonymous Coward
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The OPTICAL version is new... I have one of these with a mouseball.
Re:Been around for a while?
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Mr+Guy
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Silly man, those where "pucks". Entirely different. See, these are MICE.
Differences include what order they occur in alphabetically and number of letters.
These have been around for a while--I remember using a gyroscopic mouse in a training room once back in late 1999/early 2000. It was nifty, but there were some issues with drift and sensitivity of the gyros. Trying to point with it was like trying to eat with a chopstick in each hand--clunky, awkward, and while you got the sense that enough practice would make you reasonably good at using it, it really wasn't worth the effort. In all, a cute little gadget, but of pretty limited use (not much beyond PowerPointing...)
Re:These are sooooo last millenium...
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beleg777
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Do you remember the optical mice of that same time period? I ask because you could say the exact same thing about optical mice, provided you hadn't used a new one.
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this is not news...
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edrugtrader
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we've had one of these at work for 2 years now, they've been out longer than that.
slashdot should be ashamed of their blatent front page ads. was it really worth it taco?!
These have been around for a while...
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Verteiron
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I set one of these up at an international conference for Deere & Company back in late '99. It was really handy for the presenters, since they could use the mouse pointer to highlight parts of their powerpoint slides and wander all around the stage while doing so. Almost all the presenters got the hang of it immediately, and even those who didn't just used it as a remote "clicker" for advancing the frames. As far as I'm concerned, though, it would pretty much suck for desktop use.
Good thing it works without a surface. At that price, I couldn't afford a desk to set it on.
gaming virtues of handheld mice...
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zoobaby
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Surprised that the reviewer did not test this with a game or two. It could make for some interesting new games/gameplay, but would suck to have to quit gaming to recharge your mouse during a marathon gaming session.
I know that there have been previous versions of handheld wireless mice, but they lagged bad, this sounds like it would be better.
I love my Dyna-Flex PowerlBall Gyro gadget. I wouldn't wonder if in a few years you'll see gyro engines popping out on the market. It's a very cool technology.
Looks hard on the fingers
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DeadVulcan
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It's hard for me to say without having it my hand, but I gather this can be used like a desktop mouse as well as just in your hand.
Unfortunately, it looks very much like a desktop mouse, and I'm not entirely sure how it should be held if you're not using it on a surface. It looks like it's meant to be held with the fingers underneath and the thumb over the buttons, but this seems a bit cumbersome to me.
Ideally, you would still want to click with the same fingers as a desktop mouse, but it seems to me that doing this comfortably with a handheld device requires a completely different form. I think it would make sense to have some kind of add-on that changes the shape of the mouse depending on whether it's in the air or on a surface.
But again, I don't have the thing in my hands. I rather wish I did.:-)
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These have been around for awhile. We have them in some of our conference rooms, and we got them over 2 years ago. They're pretty cool for playing Q3 on the 12 foot screen.:) It's very easy to aim with it as you just hold down the trigger and point it at what you want to shoot, much easier than moving a regular mouse to aim.
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I used them about 5 years ago. I think they'd been out for a few years before that. Slashdot is really behind the times on occasion.
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Three Dimensional Mice
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sam_handelman
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If you add another gyroscope (perpendicular to the first one) you have a three dimensional mouse.
Now, the big advantage of a three dimensional mouse doesn't come into play with present technology; the big trick with three dimensional mice would come up if you could map O directly onto the spatial centers of the subject's.... er, user's, brain. This is not as hard as you might hope... er, think. However, experiments with monkey's controlling a pixel notwithstanding, reading someone's nervous system to get I is gonna be pretty quirky and unreliable. Therefore, you want a three dimensional mouse.
Oh, and, also: You won't notice any problems unless your on the computer straight for 8 hours a day.
Who the hell does he think buys gyroscopic mice?!?!?! Okay, some of the same yuppies who buy Parka's good to -40* Centigrade and never Manhattan. They buy them. Mostly, however, it's people who use their computers all the time! Using your computer for eight hours at a stretch isn't good for you (and ever single person on slashdot should stop doing it!) but I need it as an option, and I don't need to have to replace my mouse at 3 AM in order to keep working.
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Re:Three Dimensional Mice
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sam_handelman
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I was thinking three different sorts of translation.
Rotating up and down moves the cursor up and down.
Rotating around the axis perpendicular with the ground moves the cursor side to side.
To get depth, you tilt the entire mouse - you spin it around the axis parallel with it's own
That is to say - the point in space the mouse is "pointing at" is good enough to specify a two dimensional location.
If the mouse can tell when it is upside down, that can specify a depth.
Now.... I'm far from certain that I really understand how this mouse works. I'm prepared to hear that I'm smoking crack.
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In the early 80's there was a company that made a joystick which had no base and used mercury switches to detect tilt. You just held it in the air and moved it around, much like this gyro-mouse. It wasn't cordless but damn did I want one! Anyone here actually get to use one of those things?
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Crap, how can I click for the next picture when the mouse pointer keeps moving from the top of my screen to the bottom.
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inertia and power and calibration
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Sebastopol
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1. I thought gyroscopes had to have some mass in relation the forces applied to them in order to stay oriented. It seems like a light 'scope could easily be knocked out of whack easily in a handheld device.
2. These 'scopes would require lots of power to keep spinning. My cordless optical uses two AA batteries a month.
Re:inertia and power and calibration
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tramm
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1. I thought gyroscopes had to have some mass in relation the forces applied to them in order to stay oriented. It seems like a light 'scope could easily be knocked out of whack easily in a handheld device.
It uses Piezo gyros that are angular rate sensors, not vertical references. There is no flywheel to introduce weird mass effects. Anyway, most flywheel gyros are mechanized in gymbals so that they do not exert any force; instead they remain stationary and can be used for a vertical reference.
2. These 'scopes would require lots of power to keep spinning.
They're solid state and have almost no moving parts. The Murata ENC05-E sensors used in the older ones draw 2 mA. The MG100 used in the new ones draws about 20 mA.
3. How do you orient this thing to begin with?
It only senses change in angular position, not absolute position. That means that there is no orientation required.
why i stopped using it
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lingorob
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i too had a gyropoint about 5 years ago.
it worked well -- it was nice being able to let my arms rest naturally, and i found it easy to do precise mousing with it
the reason i stopped using it was that all of the computing i do involves frequent switching back and forth from mouse to keyboard. (& my keyboard was on my desk). for that reason, it is just easier to have the mouse next to the keyboard and not have to keep picking it up and putting it down.
ymmv, though. i'd like to try it again in combination with a keyboard in an ergo-proper keyboard tray, just leaving it in my lap when i needed to type something
Re:Gives a new meaning to mousepad upgrades
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Cynbe
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Actually, there's a track on/off button for precisely this reason, in midair use. Kind of nice for scrollbars sometimes, you can just put the cursor on the pagedown button and turn off tracking, then click down by pages with no worry about drifting off the widget.
It's a cool idea, but the mouse is extremely sensitive to small motions. Unless you have really good fine control of your hands, save your money.
Does it use a special driver?
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DunbarTheInept
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The package says it "requires" Windows or Mac, but goes on further to say that the special tools it comes with only work on Windows. This would lead me to believe that it doesn't actually require a special driver and the Windows stuff is just the typical mouse settings widget in the control panel. Where I'm going with this, of course, is the question of whether it would work in Linux as a typical PS/2 aux port mouse.
I really hate that aspect of the home PC industry. The packaging on a product isn't required to be specific about what it means when it says it "requires" something. Sometimes that's a lie and it just means "we only give phone support under those circumstances", and other times it really means what it says.
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Re:Does it use a special driver?
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aronschatz
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I was wondering that myself, so I hooked it up to my Linux box (Mandrake 8.2). But I didn't know how to get a regular USB mouse working with it so I couldn't tell you. This is just an ordinary mouse, and if you can get usb mice to work with linux, you can use this with it.
Re:Atari 400/800
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Nipok+Nek
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I had one of those. It was just four Mercury Switches with a button on the top of the handle.
I know a guy that just used an orange stick to model 3d with the help of a camera. The program ran on a Pentium level processor; the only thing that made it run a little slow was the camera, since he used a cheap one that could only record at 320x240 and 15fps.
I like that idea much better for playing 3d games. We don't use mice. We use SWORDS!
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I don't mean to gripe, but this is just about the most poorly written review I've ever read. From factually inaccurate:
"The unit uses a NiMH battery which means that there may be a memory problem"
Um.. no. NiCad's have a "memory effect" where they lose capacity if you charge them when they're not completely drained. NiMH's don't do this, it's one of their main benefits.
Plus, TONS of incorrect word usage, grammar and spelling errors, and awfully awkward phrasing. Enough to make our own beloved/. editors look like Professors of Literature. Some examples:
"I saw a mouse that some very strange and unique features"
"You don't need a line of site to use this thing"
"it only took about and hour"
"To enabled air navigation"
"You won't notice any problems unless your on the computer"
And many, many, many more. (And it's a short article!) Either English isn't this guy's main language, or he's about 12.
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Re:This guy is an EDITOR?
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Wraithlyn
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Oh.. that's rich. Derogatively implying I'm a perfectionist because I found too many faults to count in your "editorial review"?
If that piece was submitted to an English teacher for marking, it would have received a failing grade. I'm not asking for perfection, but how about a PASS?
I'm not trying to cut you down, but if you're going to publish stuff that badly written on the web, you had better either improve your proofreading, or learn to accept valid criticism.
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From the article: I can think of nothing better than to lay in bed and browse the internet not even being near the computer.
Great! Can the mouse be used from another room? That would be really handy, being able to surf the internet from the next room away from the computer. Heck, you can even bring this mouse into the bathroom and keep on surfing the web.
Does anyone else think this might be at least a little annoying? I mean, it would slow me down a lot to have to assign one hand to using the mouse at all time. I often leave the mouse to type or enter strings of commands, and I wouldn't want to have a wireless mouse to use, especially if I can't even expect it to be on the desk. Keyboard shortcuts are great, but this wireless/deskless mouse seems like it would make it hard to use them.
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Re:nearly white on white text
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merlyn
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The site and all of its user selectable themes have been Tested in Netscape, Mozilla, Opera, Konquerer and IE. What browser are you using?
OK.
Looking at the article in OmniWeb gives me nearly-white-on-white. That's my preferred browser. Something in the CSS is messed up enough that it's not working. And the CSS validator at W3 confirms that it's fairly brain-damaged CSS, so I presume that's why OmniWeb is choking.
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Didn't logitech make something similar to this with a track ball on it? I think it was called the "surfman" or something like that - really cool... had like a 20' range from the reciever box.
I have a GyroPoint Pro sitting right here. It's a wireless as well as deskless mouse. Also it's from the same company, Gyration. Only thing that makes this one differ is when I searched for the date... 1995.
I don't know about this. I can see my arm getting pretty tired after a while (LOTS of hours) of swinging and pointing with the mouse.
:p
That's the advantage of a desk mouse, you can rest your arm.
Then again, lots of geeks wouldn't find this a problem due to the extensive use of their right arm, what's a little more going to do?
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The OPTICAL version is new... I have one of these with a mouseball.
Silly man, those where "pucks". Entirely different. See, these are MICE.
Differences include what order they occur in alphabetically and number of letters.
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Wonder what kind of sites his bedtime surfing frequents?
Now once we get rid of the user too, we'll have the ultimate computer.
These have been around for a while--I remember using a gyroscopic mouse in a training room once back in late 1999/early 2000. It was nifty, but there were some issues with drift and sensitivity of the gyros. Trying to point with it was like trying to eat with a chopstick in each hand--clunky, awkward, and while you got the sense that enough practice would make you reasonably good at using it, it really wasn't worth the effort. In all, a cute little gadget, but of pretty limited use (not much beyond PowerPointing...)
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we've had one of these at work for 2 years now, they've been out longer than that.
slashdot should be ashamed of their blatent front page ads. was it really worth it taco?!
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Combine this with the one-handed keyboard and a pocket-sized computer, and you can look like a complete moron walking down the street!
I set one of these up at an international conference for Deere & Company back in late '99. It was really handy for the presenters, since they could use the mouse pointer to highlight parts of their powerpoint slides and wander all around the stage while doing so. Almost all the presenters got the hang of it immediately, and even those who didn't just used it as a remote "clicker" for advancing the frames. As far as I'm concerned, though, it would pretty much suck for desktop use.
End of lesson. You may press the button.
Good thing it works without a surface. At that price, I couldn't afford a desk to set it on.
Surprised that the reviewer did not test this with a game or two. It could make for some interesting new games/gameplay, but would suck to have to quit gaming to recharge your mouse during a marathon gaming session.
I know that there have been previous versions of handheld wireless mice, but they lagged bad, this sounds like it would be better.
I love my Dyna-Flex PowerlBall Gyro gadget.
I wouldn't wonder if in a few years you'll see gyro engines popping out on the market. It's a very cool technology.
It's hard for me to say without having it my hand, but I gather this can be used like a desktop mouse as well as just in your hand.
Unfortunately, it looks very much like a desktop mouse, and I'm not entirely sure how it should be held if you're not using it on a surface. It looks like it's meant to be held with the fingers underneath and the thumb over the buttons, but this seems a bit cumbersome to me.
Ideally, you would still want to click with the same fingers as a desktop mouse, but it seems to me that doing this comfortably with a handheld device requires a completely different form. I think it would make sense to have some kind of add-on that changes the shape of the mouse depending on whether it's in the air or on a surface.
But again, I don't have the thing in my hands. I rather wish I did. :-)
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These have been around for awhile. We have them in some of our conference rooms, and we got them over 2 years ago. They're pretty cool for playing Q3 on the 12 foot screen. :) It's very easy to aim with it as you just hold down the trigger and point it at what you want to shoot, much easier than moving a regular mouse to aim.
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If you add another gyroscope (perpendicular to the first one) you have a three dimensional mouse.
Now, the big advantage of a three dimensional mouse doesn't come into play with present technology; the big trick with three dimensional mice would come up if you could map O directly onto the spatial centers of the subject's.... er, user's, brain. This is not as hard as you might hope... er, think. However, experiments with monkey's controlling a pixel notwithstanding, reading someone's nervous system to get I is gonna be pretty quirky and unreliable. Therefore, you want a three dimensional mouse.
Oh, and, also:
You won't notice any problems unless your on the computer straight for 8 hours a day.
Who the hell does he think buys gyroscopic mice?!?!?! Okay, some of the same yuppies who buy Parka's good to -40* Centigrade and never Manhattan. They buy them. Mostly, however, it's people who use their computers all the time! Using your computer for eight hours at a stretch isn't good for you (and ever single person on slashdot should stop doing it!) but I need it as an option, and I don't need to have to replace my mouse at 3 AM in order to keep working.
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I had the finger model, but every time I flipped off my cubicle-mate, it rebooted the system or deleted an important document.
Can't scratch your butt either unless you remember to turn it off first.
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In the early 80's there was a company that made a joystick which had no base and used mercury switches to detect tilt. You just held it in the air and moved it around, much like this gyro-mouse. It wasn't cordless but damn did I want one! Anyone here actually get to use one of those things?
LEXX
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Crap, how can I click for the next picture when the mouse pointer keeps moving from the top of my screen to the bottom.
(B) + (D) + (B) + (D) = (K) + (&)
1. I thought gyroscopes had to have some mass in relation the forces applied to them in order to stay oriented. It seems like a light 'scope could easily be knocked out of whack easily in a handheld device.
2. These 'scopes would require lots of power to keep spinning. My cordless optical uses two AA batteries a month.
3. How do you orient this thing to begin with?
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it worked well -- it was nice being able to let my arms rest naturally, and i found it easy to do precise mousing with it
the reason i stopped using it was that all of the computing i do involves frequent switching back and forth from mouse to keyboard. (& my keyboard was on my desk). for that reason, it is just easier to have the mouse next to the keyboard and not have to keep picking it up and putting it down.
ymmv, though. i'd like to try it again in combination with a keyboard in an ergo-proper keyboard tray, just leaving it in my lap when i needed to type something
Actually, there's a track on/off button for precisely this reason, in midair use. Kind of nice for scrollbars sometimes, you can just put the cursor on the pagedown button and turn off tracking, then click down by pages with no worry about drifting off the widget.
It's a cool idea, but the mouse is extremely sensitive to small motions. Unless you have really good fine control of your hands, save your money.
I really hate that aspect of the home PC industry. The packaging on a product isn't required to be specific about what it means when it says it "requires" something. Sometimes that's a lie and it just means "we only give phone support under those circumstances", and other times it really means what it says.
Don't label something "offtopic" unless you know the topic well enough to tell what's on topic.
I had one of those. It was just four Mercury Switches with a button on the top of the handle.
Why choose white shoes?
I know a guy that just used an orange stick to model 3d with the help of a camera. The program ran on a Pentium level processor; the only thing that made it run a little slow was the camera, since he used a cheap one that could only record at 320x240 and 15fps.
I like that idea much better for playing 3d games. We don't use mice. We use SWORDS!
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Um.. no. NiCad's have a "memory effect" where they lose capacity if you charge them when they're not completely drained. NiMH's don't do this, it's one of their main benefits.
Plus, TONS of incorrect word usage, grammar and spelling errors, and awfully awkward phrasing. Enough to make our own beloved
And many, many, many more. (And it's a short article!) Either English isn't this guy's main language, or he's about 12.
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If they made a gyro mouse in the shape of a gun, they probably wouldn't be able to build them fast enough.
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From the article: I can think of nothing better than to lay in bed and browse the internet not even being near the computer.
Great! Can the mouse be used from another room? That would be really handy, being able to surf the internet from the next room away from the computer. Heck, you can even bring this mouse into the bathroom and keep on surfing the web.
Does anyone else think this might be at least a little annoying? I mean, it would slow me down a lot to have to assign one hand to using the mouse at all time. I often leave the mouse to type or enter strings of commands, and I wouldn't want to have a wireless mouse to use, especially if I can't even expect it to be on the desk. Keyboard shortcuts are great, but this wireless/deskless mouse seems like it would make it hard to use them.
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