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An anonymous reader writes "Lee Goldberg posted this story which he says is "...the true story of how I sent the first interplanetary necro-cosmonaut to Mars." An entertaining read."

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  1. They should send Bill Gates to Mars by DocSnyder · · Score: 4, Funny

    A small step for a man, but a giant leap for mankind.

    1. Re:They should send Bill Gates to Mars by DrVxD · · Score: 2

      > As long as the spacecraft systems are based on Windows!
      No - we really want him to get there... :)

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      Not everything that can be measured matters; Not everything that matters can be measured.
  2. This is cool by Ryan+Amos · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While it is a tad sentimental and sappy, it's cool to see these little "easter eggs" on public projects. It's especially cool that it means something (even if the promise was made under duress of alcohol. ;)

  3. full text of article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I aint no karma ho' and fuck the formatting. fix it yourself.

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    Go Ira! - The real story* behind the first man to Mars
    By Technician X

    Although the late astrogeologist Eugene Shoemaker is supposed to be the first Earthling to have their ashes flown to another planet, his
    1999 flight to the moon aboard the Lunar Prospector probe came too late to enjoy that distinction. Certainly Dr. Shoemaker, whose
    pioneering work that made the Apollo Lunar geo-science program such a success, certainly deserved to have his dream of going to the
    moon fulfilled. He is not, however, the first interplanetary necro-cosmonaut, thanks to a chain of unlikely events that placed the ashes of
    my friend, Ira Neal, on a Mars-bound trajectory back in 1992. Although circumstances prevented him from actually entering Mars orbit,
    Ira, or at least a portion of his ashes, is to my knowledge, the first person to leave Earth orbit, and certainly the first to visit the Red
    Planet.

    Ira and I were introduced by a mutual friend somewhere around 1981 and became fast friends almost immediately. He was a large,
    soft-spoken guy, about 10 years my senior, whose heavyset build and bushy beard caused him to look very much like the older brother I
    never had. In fact, we looked enough alike that we often amused ourselves by posing as brothers in the restaurants, bars, and other
    haunts we frequented. Our similar technical backgrounds and a love of good times made it easy to talk about the things that were
    important to us, and it created a safe haven of friendship that sheltered us from the tough realities of our jobs, relationships, and life
    circumstances.

    During most of the time I knew him, Ira was working as a troubleshooter at Commodore Computer, an early manufacturer of low-cost PCs.
    Over the same period, I knocked around through a couple of jobs and ended up building spacecraft for GE out in Hightstown, NJ. We
    were both fascinated by each other's work and managed to sneak each other into our respective factories for unofficial tours. I still
    remember Ira's eyes getting big, just as mine had the first time, when we zipped up our cleanroom suits and took a close-up look at the
    communications satellite I was working on at the time.

    Over the years, we hung out together and got to know each other as we spent the odd Friday night out and helped each other out with
    various projects and schemes. We shared as much as most men do of each other's thought and feelings, including the darker sides of our
    lives. His friendship and humor helped me survive the stifling and melancholy long-term relationship with a very troubled girlfriend I had
    at the time. Hopefully, I was able to return the favor as he wrestled with his set of demons from his past.

    The time Ira served as a cryptographer in Vietnam still haunted him. He'd spent most of his time maintaining secure communications gear,
    much of it in remote locations deep inside the Vietnamese countryside. This could be very dangerous by itself, but things got even
    tougher when he'd be called upon to recover sensitive electronic gear from aircraft downed behind enemy lines. During these
    adventures, as he called them, he'd usually be dropped into the crash site by a helicopter, which would hover nearby while he and
    another tech pulled the equipment from the plane. This was always a tricky proposition since the sound of a helicopter would attract the
    attention of any enemy troops nearby.

    Most of the time, they would manage to extract the equipment and get back to the 'chopper before the ground fire got too bad. On more
    than one occasion, however, heavy enemy fire forced the pilot to leave before they could pick up the recovery team. When this
    happened, Ira and his partner would have to start back on foot, hoping they could evade capture and stay alive long enough to make it
    back home.

    Ira told me that there had been several incidents like this which brought him so close to death, and he finally came to believe that he was
    simply not going to go home alive. In an odd way, this outlook helped him survive his tour of duty by giving him a calm detachment in
    crisis situations and the license to enjoy himself whenever he could.

    He took this philosophy back from Vietnam, and although it contributed to his happy-go-lucky demeanor, I also think it gave him a
    fatalistic approach to life. Despite repeated warnings from friends, family, and doctors, Ira would often refuse to take the medication that
    controlled a severe case of hypertension. He told me that the drugs made him tired, and that he'd rather risk a stroke or worse than let
    them slow him down.

    I'm not sure whether Ira knew something was wrong the day he and his family paid a weekend visit, but somehow we found ourselves
    talking about our own mortality and how we were dealing with it. Standing by the barbeque, we both agreed that most funerals we had
    seen were sorry affairs that did neither the deceased nor their survivors any good.

    I told Ira that my idea was to spend a minimum of money on burial or cremation, and devote what would have been normally spent on a
    fancy funeral service to a big party. He liked my idea that the party include as many friends and family members as possible, and that
    most of the time should be devoted to telling funny stories about our lives and enjoying each other's company. After all, we figured,
    funerals weren't for the dead, but for the living.

    It was then that that sumbitch talked me into the arrangement that secured his place in history. With a couple of beers in each of us, we
    jokingly agreed, depending upon who died first, to be the social director for the other's funeral. I solemnly shook hands with Ira and got
    us both another beer. Betty laughed when we told her of our pact, and we all figured that it would be a long time before we had to think
    about it again. Unfortunately for all of us, we were wrong.

    A couple of weeks later, Betty called to tell me Ira was dead. As usual, he'd been taking his medicine sporadically, and it had caught up
    with him late one night in the form of a massive heart attack. With the weight of our pact on my shoulders, I made arrangements for a
    party large enough to accommodate Ira's many friends, while Betty handled Ira's cremation. Sad as I was, there was some comfort in
    seeing how many friends Ira had and how many volunteered to help me fix up the Neal house enough to fetch a decent price to help
    Betty and the kids move back to Kansas, where most of her family lived. The party itself started off subdued, but given the nature of Ira's
    friends and the copious amounts of food and alcohol I'd arranged for, it got very lively - especially for a funeral.

    I woke up in my house the next day with a hangover, and only a dim memory of the last few hours of the party. I headed downstairs to fix
    some breakfast, and that's when I saw the vitamin bottle. Since Flintstones is not my brand of choice for vitamins, I figured that the bottle
    was not mine. Upon opening it and finding it half-full with gray ash about the consistency of beach sand, I realized I was wrong again.
    As I downed a handful of aspirins and sipped at my orange juice, the hazy memory of what I'd done began to return to me.

    For reasons I still only dimly understand, I'd decided to ask Betty for a small amount of Ira's ashes, and promised to try to stow them
    aboard the communications satellite I was working on. Betty had obliged, scooping a few tablespoons of Ira's remains out of their
    cardboard urn and into the nearest container at hand. The Monday following the party, I took the ashes, still in the Flintstones vitamin
    jar, into work, put them in my desk drawer, and began to contemplate my next move.

    I tried to imagine what it would take to make a container sufficiently secure to guarantee that none of the ashes would escape and
    possibly damage the spacecraft. I also speculated on the best way to secure the capsule in a concealed place where it would not be
    detected. After a few weeks of pondering, I had a few ideas for the design of the capsule, but no way to machine the parts. Worse yet, I'd
    gone over the mechanical drawings of the satellite and could not find a corner anywhere that would shelter a suspicious-looking chunk
    of metal from inquisitive eyes.

    After a few more weeks of fruitless pondering, the project faded into the background of my busy life. Occasionally, however, my
    conscience would be aroused when I'd rummage around in my upper desk drawer for some long-lost tool or paper and stumble upon the
    Flintstones vitamin jar. Things went along like this for a year or so, and Ira's ashes were nearly forgotten, until I was reassigned to the
    Mars Observer program.

    Scheduled for launch in 1992, our plant was contracted to build the vehicle, or "bus", that would place eight science experiments in orbit
    around Mars about a year later. While not as spectacular as a mission that actually landed, our craft was to be an inexpensive means of
    mapping the surface, sub-surface, and atmosphere of the planet for 23 months, an entire Martian year. With the data we'd send back from
    the camera, radar mapper, spectrometers, and other experiments, the scientists hoped to understand much more about Mars, its origins,
    and identify potentially important landing sites for future missions.

    I found the vitamin jar while packing my desk to move over to the office where the Mars Observer team was working, and took it with me.
    For the next five years, the spacecraft progressed from a contract, to specifications, to plans, to a mountain of parts, and eventually to a
    vehicle under construction. And on the occasions I'd stumble over them, Ira's ashes would stare accusingly from the back of the upper
    drawer.

    It was on one of those occasions when a perverse notion came over me, and I thought to ask Nick about what it would take to stow some
    of Ira's ashes aboard Mars Observer. Nick was a young mechanical engineer whom I worked with closely in putting the legitimate
    scientific payloads on the spacecraft. We'd become friends and I felt comfortable, at least hypothetically, discussing the plan with him.

    I gave Nick a brief rundown on how Ira had ended up languishing in my desk and his face immediately to take on that far away look that
    comes to an engineer's face when he or she discovers a solution to particularly difficult problem, or stumbles upon a design problem that
    especially captures the imagination. He agreed to think seriously about the matter and went away humming to himself.

    A few weeks later, a small, A-size drawing showed up on my desk, entitled "3271128-503, I.R.A. Module." The drawing showed a 1"
    hollow cube with a tight-fitting lid. Lord knows which shop order Nick used, but a few months after the drawing was done, the cube
    appeared on my desk, machined to spec, out of spacecraft-grade aluminum.

    The plan, Nick informed me, was to stow Ira in a small notch he'd designed into a bracket that anchored the solar array boom to the
    spacecraft's main structure. Being the thorough sort of fellow he was, Nick had created the notch as part of an effort to lighten the
    assembly, and had taken pains to analyze the changes for structural integrity. The assembly schedule of the spacecraft changed on a
    daily basis, but Nick estimated that we'd have an opportunity to access the bracket and insert the capsule just before the outer panels
    were attached some time in the following month.

    All that remained for me was to encapsulate the ashes in a manner that would insure they posed no threat to the spacecraft or its mission.
    Having had time to think about this for some time, I went down to the "glop shop," the lab where the epoxies, urethane compounds,
    adhesives, and other encapsulating agents were mixed. In return for the appropriate paperwork, the guy at the window to the lab handed
    me a large syringe full of Blue Solothane, a popular and reliable potting compound that is used for everything from securing components
    to PC boards to providing a moisture-resistant barrier in low-voltage transformer assemblies. The clear, viscous compound is tinted a
    cheerful blue color, giving it the appearance of icing for a fancy cake.

    Ed, another friend, one of the few others I dared tell about this unauthorized "payload," helped me prepare a mixing area back in the
    mechanical shop that sat behind the clean rooms where the spacecraft were housed. The Solothane took on a dirty blue color, and it
    faded to a bluish gray as I added about half of Ira's ashes to the contents of the pot. The compounded ashes nearly filled the cube,
    leaving space for a layer of clear, unblemished Solothane to act as a gasket and prevent any stray ashes from escaping. Finally, the lid
    was secured and the "I.R.A. Assembly" was set aside for 24 hours to cure. We both smiled. Ira was ready to take his seat aboard Mars
    Observer.

    On the night we finally went to put the cube in its designated location, Nick explained that we'd hit a small snag. It seems that things ran
    a bit ahead of schedule and the panel that covered the bracket where Ira was supposed to hide had been installed the other day. He told
    me not to worry as we suited up in the airlock. Being the conscientious engineer he was, Nick had several contingency plans. We sidled
    up to the "south" side of the spacecraft, exchanging greetings with the few technicians on duty that evening. The south side had not
    been "closed out" yet, which meant that its honeycomb aluminum external panels had not been attached. With them out of the way, we
    had free access to look for a new home for Ira.

    Opportunity presented itself almost immediately. It seems that one of the reasons Nick had chosen the particular 1" form factor for the
    capsule was that similar sized, although solid, aluminum blocks were used in a variety of locations throughout the spacecraft. One of the
    principle functions they served was to support and secure some of the large wire bundles that comprised the spacecraft's wire harness.
    We found a likely location where a fat bundle looped close to the spacecraft's structure. Nick epoxied a small metal tab to one end of our
    cube before gluing the other end to the spacecraft.

    After the glue set, Nick laced the wire bundle to the tab on Ira's cube using the standard-issue harness floss employed for such purposes
    throughout the spacecraft. With the seam of its lid facing the interior of the spacecraft, the capsule looked like one of the other cubes
    performing similar functions throughout the vehicle.

    Ira had just moved up from stowaway to a working member of the program.

    Months later, on September 26, 1992, I stood on the causeway at Cape Canaveral, counting down the last few minutes before the Titan III
    rocket lofted our spacecraft into low Earth orbit where its upper stage would put it on a trajectory for Mars. I was wearing a t-shirt that I'd
    designed and had made to commemorate the launch. Our launch team had ordered up a gross of these special shirts, emblazoned with the
    Mars Observer logo, and a few symbols that had become our icons.

    The shirt's breast pocket sported a small green Martian, the program's mascot. The back of the shirt featured a picture of the spacecraft,
    draped with a cartoon of a sensually posed female that was the trademark for a local strip club that was legendary for its hospitality to
    visiting launch teams. Printed on the right sleeve was a hand with crossed fingers, the launch director's expression of all our hopes and
    fears for this fateful day. Other than the manager-types who wore suits and ties, almost all the rest of staff supporting the program arrived
    the morning of the launch wearing the t-shirt.

    My shirt was one of another dozen that I'd added one more symbol to. On the sleeve under the crossed fingers were two words, printed
    in bold letters: "GO IRA!" Back in the launch control complex, Nick wore his GO IRA shirt as well.

    The launch was one of the high points of my life. Watching six years of my team's work roar aloft on a pillar of fire is as indelibly etched
    in my brain as the birth of my daughter. Other than a thirty-minute period where we held our collective breath until a hiccup in the
    spacecraft's telemetry stream fixed itself, the launch, and subsequent trans-Mars injection burn, went off by the numbers.

    Ira was finally on his way.

    After I got back from Florida, I mailed the remaining GO IRA shirts to Betty, having selected sizes that she, the kids, and Thelma, Ira's
    mom, could wear. I included a note explaining how I'd finally kept the promise I made years earlier, and asked them to keep the news to
    themselves until Mars Observer was safely in operation around Mars. I think I still have the sweet note from Thelma somewhere,
    thanking me for my efforts in her son's memory.

    The eleven months it took the spacecraft to reach Mars went by smoothly, with only minor glitches along the way. I was looking forward
    to getting the word out about the first man to Mars once the spacecraft fired its retro-rockets and set up housekeeping at Mars. Sadly, all
    our efforts came to nothing when it disappeared three days before it got to Mars while pressurizing its fuel system for the retro burn.

    The months of tests that I and hundreds of other put in after Mars Observer's disappearance identified the most likely source of the
    problem to be a ruptured fuel line caused by a badly specified fuel valve. Our analysis showed that the valve could, under certain
    conditions, create sparks that would ignite the hypergolic propulsion fuel before it entered the engine itself. Once the fuel line ruptured, it
    would set off a horrific chain of events that could cripple our spacecraft within minutes and render it inoperative before it could even
    signal for help.

    Although the official inquiry solved the problem with the fuel system, and allowed a sister craft, the Mars Global Surveyor, to
    successfully arrive at Mars a few years later, I've kept this story to myself for all these years. I guess that my silence was in part for fear
    of retribution from NASA, and in part because I figured nobody would believe me. I'm still not sure what has motivated me to put this all
    down now, except for the fact that the story needed to be told some time or another.

    I often still think of Mars Observer, its passenger, and what has become of it. Without the braking rockets to slow it down, I'm told Mars
    Observer most likely continued along the heliocentric orbit that it had followed to Mars, and flies back past the planet roughly every two
    years. It's sort of silly, but I like to imagine Ira waving at Mars when he makes that biennial rendezvous.

    *While this is a true story, certain names have been altered to shield the identities of friends who aided me in this project from prying
    eyes. Also, I have taken the liberty of simplifying my description of a few of the non-essential circumstances in this narrative in an
    attempt to streamline the story enough that it did not overly tax the credulity or patience of the reader. Neither of these actions
    detracts in any way from the essential facts of how Ira Neal became the first (to my knowledge) passenger aboard an interplanetary
    spacecraft from Earth.

  4. How serious is this article? by SystematicPsycho · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Don't space agencies forbid any form of bacteria from leaving the earth and being placed on other planets/moons? Won't that 'contaminate' the planet mars? I guess it's a matter of time before man gets there and plunders it anyway.

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    1. Re:How serious is this article? by eclectro · · Score: 5, Insightful

      At first thought this might seem to be a concern. But remember, these were ashes that had come from a fire. On top of that, read the story carefully to see that the ashes were mixed with an epoxy, then sealed in a metal cube. I seriously doubt that there is even a remote chance of stray bacteria being there.

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      Take the cheese to sickbay, the doctor should see it as soon as possible - B'Elanna Torres, "Learning Curve"
    2. Re:How serious is this article? by SystematicPsycho · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I knew I wasn't imagning this -

      NASA is considering a plan to crash Galileo at the end of its mission into Jupiter to avoid the possibility of the satellite contaminating possible life on Europa. (July 4, 2000) Nasa Probes Crashing Explorer

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    3. Re:How serious is this article? by The+Dobber · · Score: 2, Funny


      According to the article, he was already quite crispy. Or would that be the equivalent of doulbe-flame broiling?

    4. Re:How serious is this article? by Prestomeco · · Score: 3, Informative

      Good observation. The story is that since Mars Obsrver was not intended to land on Mars, it was excempted from the rigorous sterilization process that Viking, Sojurner, and other landers are required to undergo in observance of a United Nations protocol. We (GE and JPL) were however, required to file a "Planetary Protection Plan" which described how the program intended to guarantee we would keep Mars Observer out of contact with the Martian biosphere for several thousand years at minimum. If I recall properly, the plan includes a provision to re-boost the craft to a "safe" orbit in which it will not decay for a long time after its operational mission is completed. If you want details, I can put you in touch with the fellow who wrote the actual plan.

  5. How to Start an Urban Myth. by Howzer · · Score: 5, Interesting
    This week, kids, we learn how to start an urban myth. I'll summarise the steps you need and then expand in more detail.

    1. Use an existing, well established "link story" that everyone knows is true. Insects bite people. Bill Gates talks about computers. People have had their ashes taken up on the Space Shuttle.

    2. Put a "twist" in the tale that makes the average listener smile, and raise their eyebrows. Some insects lay things in you when they bite. Bill Gates said we'll only ever need 640K. Ashes don't only go on the shuttle (link left as an exercise for the reader).

    3. Get a website. These days this is free (as in beer).

    Ah bugger the lesson, I think you lot saw my point 4 paragraphs ago. I'll be happy to wager with anyone on how long it takes before this is credibly and totally debunked. I'm betting 72 hours.

    1. Re:How to Start an Urban Myth. by coryboehne · · Score: 2

      You know, you have forgotten one very important rule of an urban legend, Make sure there is no possible correlating evidence to be had, so there if there is any doubt it will always remain doubt. In this case however I see several possibilities of where such evidence could be had, 1. The original specs for the I.R.A. module, 2. NASA Records of said module, 3. machine shop records of creating said module. 4. look at the design of the space craft and see if what he has described even fits within the design parameters. Having said that, I feel that this is possible, although a bit of incredulity is inherent in any story of this nature.

    2. Re:How to Start an Urban Myth. by Howzer · · Score: 2
      After emailing a few times with the author of that most myth-seeming story, I have to say that I am now convinced.

      He has made clear to me things that were not clear in the original link - far better explaining the motives behind the actions of the team. Motives which were the primary reason why I came out so strongly for "myth". He understands my objections, and I believe I understand his actions.

      To quote and slightly paraphrase the less-than-perfect adaption of Carl Sagan's classic book: "I, for one, believe him."

      Slightly glad I didn't take any bets! :)

  6. Ira's revenge by jukal · · Score: 3, Funny

    sources from outer space just informed me that the project to rebuild Ira from the ashes is almost complete. Martians have only one problem left, the DNA sample sample captured from the ashes is missing cooking instructions for the skull and face and they had to slip in a little bit of martian DNA. Now they are afraid to send Ira back to Earth, not to reveal the true origins of martian codenamed "Mr. Bill Gates."

  7. Still have some doubt by imperator_mundi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's a cute and a little obscure story, but as long as no evidence are provided still a story ;)

    I bo longer believe in Santa, Little Folks, Faeries or martians why sould I believe in stuff just because there was something in the internet.

    1. Re:Still have some doubt by Maran · · Score: 2

      It's too early for me to be reading slashdot. For a second there, I thought you said you no longer believe in Santa Fe.

      Maran

    2. Re:Still have some doubt by Dr+Bip · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Few may be aware but 'Solothane' is not used in aerospace circles. The stuff is called 'Solithane' and while it is clear and viscous, it's a two-part mix, a bit like an epoxy resin. I would have expected reference to that - it's not something that comes out of a can as one liquid. So, interesting, but... (and I'll not even begin on what this implies for the COSPAR regulations on contamination control)

    3. Re:Still have some doubt by Megane · · Score: 2
      Few may be aware but 'Solothane' is not used in aerospace circles. The stuff is called 'Solithane' and while it is clear and viscous, it's a two-part mix, a bit like an epoxy resin.

      Google turns up exactly one link to "blue solothane". (At least until it gets to index this article.) Guess which one. It also turns up exactly one link to "blue solithane".

      During review of the PTA electronics, capacitors are found not to be staked.
      This is requirement governed by the NASA workmanship standard NHB 5300.
      Blue solithane is a preferred material for staking electrical components on printed circuit boards.

      Looking for more info on Solithane, I find that it is a urethane polymer, commonly used as a conformal coating on printed circuit boards. Solithane 113 is pale yellow with a clear catalyst (castor oil). Some variations do include flourescent brighteners, so it is not impossible that there could indeed be a blue version.

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  8. Re:he's also by Soulslayer · · Score: 3, Funny

    Not yet! He's still in international space.

    He has to land on a piece of machinery owned by another country sitting on Mars to be an illegal immigrant.

    Though anywhere he lands on Mars he'll be an alien.

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    Once more unto the breach dear friends...
  9. Go IRA? by calumr · · Score: 4, Funny
    My shirt was one of another dozen that I'd added one more symbol to. On the sleeve under the crossed fingers were two words, printed in bold letters: "GO IRA!" Back in the launch control complex, Nick wore his GO IRA shirt as well.

    You may not want to wear those next time you visit Belfast... Not unless you happen to have any sort of attachment to your kneecaps.

    1. Re:Go IRA? by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 2

      "Atrocious spelling is barely tolerable. Grammatical errors, particularly those which completely reverse what you are trying to say, are not."

      Oh grow up. Nobody jumps into a higher class by winning a spelling bee.

      Anybody else sick of people complaining about spelling/gram,ar errors? Here's a hint: All of us that post on Slashdot are human. That means we make mistakes. It also means that our fancy-ass neural network brains are capable of understanding error-riddled comments.

    2. Re:Go IRA? by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 2

      There's a difference between 'lack of interest' and 'stupidity'. It's hard to want to go back and change the spelling of the word if it's obvious what is meant. It's one thing when a typo causes confusion it's another when it's plainly obvious what they meant.

      It's silly to get all bent out of shape when the message got through. It's certainly not a mesaure of intellect. Grammar does not a point affect.

  10. '640K RAM is enough for anyone' by Jacco+de+Leeuw · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Bill Gates [never] said we'll only ever need 640K.

    ('Never' added, as implied on the supplied link to urbanlegends.com).

    Of course Bill Gates has an excellent memory and never tells any lies.

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    1. Re:'640K RAM is enough for anyone' by iapetus · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, even if we assume that Bill is right on this one, and that he never claimed 640K would be enough, at least there's evidence for my personal favourite Bill Gates quote, as shown in this interview with Herman Hauser:

      Q: Do you lie awake at night worrying that you'll be first again , but that someone else will make the money?

      A: No [...] I often tell the story that Bill gates was trying to sell me MS-DOS in the early 80s and I had to say "Bill, we can't possibly take such a retrograde step, because our operating system really is an operating system and has many features that MS-DOS doesn't have. [...] schoolboy can type 'I am Johnny' into one of our computers and be logged on through the network to a local fileserver. They can use the same commands to get files down from the server that they've learned with a floppy disk." And Bill's answer to that was, "What's a network?"
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    2. Re:'640K RAM is enough for anyone' by Lord+Omlette · · Score: 2

      Which Operating System was that?

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  11. Re:what can be said? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
    Excuse me, many Englishmen have been killed by Irish terrorists. Voicing support for them is hurtful to those of us who have lost loved ones.

    Imagine how you'd feel if I wrote GO OSAMA! in my comments.

    --gazbo

  12. You forgot to add by af_robot · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Before sending Gates you must be 100% sure that he'll got one-way only ticket

  13. Re:he's also by DarkHelmet · · Score: 2
    Though anywhere he lands on Mars he'll be an alien.

    Wow, and I always wondered why all those aliens on scifi shows looked so humanoid...

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  14. Viking I too... by Zarf · · Score: 2, Troll

    and Viking one is supposed to have a "Christmas Angel" on board too. My son told me that one. And he told me you can use popcorn as fuel to travel interplanetary space too. Ofcourse he was five when he told me that. Something about a "Brave Toaster" or something...

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  15. Not only the first Necro-cosmonaut by fmita · · Score: 5, Funny

    One might refer to this Ira as an ASHtronaut! Puns should be illegal.

    1. Re:Not only the first Necro-cosmonaut by DrVxD · · Score: 3, Funny

      > Puns should be illegal.
      If puns are outlawed, only outlaws will carry puns...

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    2. Re:Not only the first Necro-cosmonaut by BollocksToThis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      America: Home of the free (and the DMCA, MPAA, RIAA...)

      I suggest:

      America: Home of the people formerly known as free

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    3. Re:Not only the first Necro-cosmonaut by DrVxD · · Score: 2

      I like the fact that you responded to my sig.
      I like the response itself.
      I really like the fact that someone moderated your response as "Insightful" :-)

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  16. ashes by dpilot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ashes yes, but subject to no special handling, not to mention Flintstones-contamination. The epoxy probably helped. Of far more concern would be precautions taken when handling the metal cube, itself.

    This was only meant to be an orbital probe, so presumably it shouldn't matter. But orbits decay, and accidents happen.

    The big issue with keeping Earthly contamination away from Mars is so that we can *know* what we truly find there is native, if we find something.

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    1. Re:ashes by sunspot42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Is the entire probe sterilized after construction? Also, wouldn't the hard radiation in space do a pretty good job of killing any bugs that might have hitched a ride aboard the ashes?

      The author also says he omitted a few things from his story. It's possible one of the things he omitted was the sterilization of the ashes.

  17. Bah! by atticusfinch1970 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Ok, assuming this is true, it would be grossly irresponsible to put millions of dollars, the reputation of NASA, and the hard work of thousands of designers and engineers at risk simply for nostalgic notions of friendship. Did he test his dead-friend\epoxy mixture to see how it would withstand the pressures of space flight?

    Reading stuff like this kinda pisses me off because I would very much like to see man get to Mars in my lifetime. It's hard enough to muster public support for space programs these days.

    Of course, this whole rant is moot if it is, indeed, an urban myth...

  18. Re:That's why :-) by uncoveror · · Score: 2

    Mars observer failed because the Zhti Ti Kofft, or Martians as we call them, don't want any earthlings on their soil, living or deceased. They destroyed it. Ira's Ashes may have been pulled down to Mars by its gravity, though. Ira may have still gotten his wish.

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  19. Regarding Lee Goldberg by jea6 · · Score: 2

    LEE GOLDBERG - Armed with a Bachelors in electrical engineering from Thomas Edison College, Lee spent 20 years deep in the bowels of the electronics industry before deciding to trade in his scope probe for a pen. During this time, he gained experience in designing and using microprocessor-based systems for everything from measuring the thickness of baby bottle nipples to monitoring and controlling solar and wind-power generating systems. An eight-year stint in the aerospace industry found him heavily involved with the design and test of scientific instruments for an interplanetary spacecraft.

    http://www.chipcenter.com/networking/goldberg_bio. html

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  20. Cost savings by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    Imagine how much cheaper Apollo would have been if Kennedy omitted "and return him safely to Earth" from his speech.