Follow Internet2's Upgrade

An anonymous reader writes "This is a follow-up to this story posted several months back. Abilene, the backbone for Internet2, is starting its upgrade and has a webpage up to follow the installation. Looks like quite a few interestesting documents and photos. The first Juniper T640 router was installed in Indianapolis on Friday. Anyone who's interested in what goes into a nation-wide network deployment should check it out."

Comments

Lets get something usefull going...

[Eric_Cartman_South_P]

I don't want faster pr0n... pichunter_com is as good as it gets. What I want are my MRI or XRay scans after a hospital visit. I want Video Conference that works as smoothly as a telephone does today. "Can you *see* me now? Good!" Getting rid of lag on RTCW multiplayer is good, but MEDICAL, RESEARCH, and other life changing, usefull applications must take advantage of this.

And does anyone see the general public being denied access to this, because a DVD can be shared as easily as an MP3 today? I bet the RIAA would try to stop us slashdoters et. al. from using it. If they are starting to sue backbone providers, it's not above their heads to try it.

Either way, I hope geeks and others who love progress get it up and running. Good luck, Internet v2.0, because Internet v1.0 sure has turned into a pile of crap (and by crap, I mean DeCSS linking being illegal, anything to do with RIAA, and PopUp adds).

Re:Lets get something usefull going...

[alexburke]

Good luck, Internet v2.0, because Internet v1.0 sure has turned into a pile of crap (and by crap, I mean DeCSS linking being illegal, anything to do with RIAA, and PopUp adds).

That's because the government of the country where most of the Internet is located has turned into a pile of crap -- or at least has been sufficiently monetarily lubricated to allow the laws which govern the citizens of that country (and therefore many of the Internet's users) to turn into a pile of crap (as far as those citizens/users are concerned).

The whole fucking situation really sucks. I wish people in charge would just see what's right instead of seeing what's greenest.

Fuckers.

Someone should sue them

[ikekrull]

Since the Internet2's huge amount of available bandwidth is surely grounds for a contributory copyright infringment case.

Might as well nip these new developments in piracy-enabling technologies in the bud.

Headline should have read

[unsinged int]

from the unable-to-slashdot dept.

Truly More Bandwidth?

[Nazmun]

I don't really see how this would increase our bandwidth in a revolutionary way. Maybe latency will improve with a better network infastruction but the same thing that prevent large bandwidth usage in the internet will probably plague internet2.

One of the highest cost backbone providers suffer comes from laying down fiber. This has caused many to declare bankruptcy. Equipment (not talking about those home linksys routers) are crazily expensive as well. I don't see how internet2 will magically bring down the prices of either of the two dramatically. Equipment like this will always be expensive to ISPs and laying down fiber isn't going to get cheaper either.

I admit I am not an expert in this arena but that doesn't change the cold hard facts that I'm seeing. Money seems to be the major factor that is preventing the current internet from utilizing higher bandwidth applications.

Re:A Student

[David Price]

I'm not sure how it's architected at your school, but at mine, everyone with an on-campus network connection transparently gets benefit from Internet2. It's very simple: If your packets are going to an institution connected to Internet2, then they get routed over Internet2. The routing decision is made at the campus border. No problem, everyone gets to use it. All Internet2 is is a new, fast backbone that a select group of research institutions gets to use.

I've gotten faster transfers from machines at MIT than ones 400 yards away from my dorm room as a result of this hookup.

Isn't this how most institutions are using Internet2? Just put another card in the border router and let everyone at it. It doesn't seem to make sense to pay all that money for a high-speed network connection and not integrate it with your campus network.

(Incidentally, a traceroute to the webserver you linked in your post passes through Abilene.)

PWA for the 21st century?

[Quixote]

In the 1930s, the Public Works Administration started building lots of highways, interstates, etc. to keep the people occupied, and to pull the US out of the Great Depression (when unemployment reached 25%).

Could a similar thing be done with the Tech world today? Building and rolling out lots of infrastructure (after all, the Internet is the "highway" of the 'net), could the tech economy be pulled out of the doldrums?
I'm just musing aloud here...

Re:What would make me happiest...

[noahm]

Uhh, ipv6 is kinda the point of it anyway. The "Internet2" (also known as the "6Bone") _is_ the global ipv6 test network, after all. IPv6 is all it runs. Around my neck of the woods, its implemented as a mesh of SIT and GRE tunnels, but the backbone runs native.

No, that is simply untrue. There is no connection between the 6bone and Internet2. They are certainly not the same thing. It's perfectly normal to speak IPv4 on Internet2. I do it all the time, as do most people who send packets between major .edu sites. Internet2 is the testbed for not only new software networking technologies, but new hardware technologies as well. There is no hardware involved in the 6bone.

Here is a traceroute that goes over Internet2:

traceroute to infopath.ucsd.edu (132.239.50.184), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
1 anacreon (18.24.4.1) 0.854 ms 0.510 ms 0.506 ms
2 radole (18.24.10.3) 1.505 ms 1.167 ms 1.547 ms
3 B24-RTR-1-LCS-LINK.MIT.EDU (18.201.1.1) 1.997 ms 1.409 ms 2.448 ms
4 EXTERNAL-RTR-2-BACKBONE.MIT.EDU (18.168.0.27) 1.140 ms 1.274 ms 1.366 ms
5 192.5.89.89 (192.5.89.89) 1.768 ms 1.718 ms 1.191 ms
6 ABILENE-GIGAPOPNE.NOX.ORG (192.5.89.102) 7.337 ms 6.181 ms 6.647 ms
7 clev-nycm.abilene.ucaid.edu (198.32.8.29) 20.210 ms 18.777 ms 19.306 ms
8 ipls-clev.abilene.ucaid.edu (198.32.8.25) 26.019 ms 24.682 ms 26.679 ms
9 kscy-ipls.abilene.ucaid.edu (198.32.8.5) 34.042 ms 35.163 ms 34.527 ms
10 dnvr-kscy.abilene.ucaid.edu (198.32.8.13) 46.358 ms 45.230 ms 44.955 ms
11 snva-dnvr.abilene.ucaid.edu (198.32.8.1) 69.201 ms 70.373 ms 69.657 ms
12 losa-snva.abilene.ucaid.edu (198.32.8.18) 77.485 ms 78.125 ms 77.248 ms
13 USC--abilene.ATM.calren2.net (198.32.248.85) 78.248 ms 77.353 ms 79.467 ms
14 UCSD--USC.POS.calren2.net (198.32.248.34) 81.871 ms 81.249 ms 81.188 ms
15 198.32.248.186 (198.32.248.186) 80.856 ms 81.965 ms 81.400 ms
16 node-b-msfc--ucsd-gw.ucsd.edu (132.239.255.141) 83.473 ms 82.277 ms 80.897 ms
17 muir-rsm--node-b-msfc.ucsd.edu (132.239.255.161) 82.902 ms 82.777 ms 81.225 ms
18 infopath-1.ucsd.edu (132.239.50.182) 83.200 ms * 84.386 ms

Hop 6 is where my packets enter Internet2, and hop 15 is where it leaves it. There is no IPv6 spoken along the way. Now here, just for fun, is an IPv6 traceroute going over the 6bone:

traceroute to 6bone.net (3ffe:b00:c18:1::10) from 2002:121a:12:1804:2a0:ccff:fe57:ccd9, 30 hops max, 16 byte packets
1 3ffe:1ce1:2:1804::2 (3ffe:1ce1:2:1804::2) 1.697 ms 0.391 ms 0.36 ms
2 sipbv6-rtr-sipb-ether.ipv6.mit.edu (3ffe:1ce1:0:b5::1) 509.888 ms 304.953 ms 305.882 ms
3 6bone.merit.edu (3ffe:1c00::3) 306.205 ms 305.879 ms 305.286 ms
4 rap.ipv6.viagenie.qc.ca (3ffe:b00:c18:1:290:27ff:fe17:fc0f) 306.464 ms 306.109 ms 304.732 ms
5 www.6bone.net (3ffe:b00:c18:1::10) 306.389 ms 308.274 ms 307.396 ms

Let me repeat that: Internet2 and 6bone are unrelated!

noah

Re: What would make me happiest...

[shalunov]

The "Internet2" (also known as the "6Bone") [...]

Internet2 and the 6bone aren't related at all.

Incidentally, we run both IPv4 and IPv6 on our Abilene backbone.