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Haiku vs Spam

Mark Cantrell was among several people who sent in a story about a company using "Haiku to Stop Spam. Essentially you use a copyrighted Haiku to tag that a message meets criteria (1 Recipient, Pre-Existing Relationship, etc) which then makes it a simple matter to filter the mail. I'm sure the spammers in China will laugh wildly as they forge the haiku. I challange comment posters to post only Haiku in this discussion ;)

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  1. Re:As requested by Fat+Casper · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I will misuse law
    To make up for one lacking.
    Still not enforceable.

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  2. So Habeas decides who's allowed to spam. by Tenebrious1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Individuals and Internet service providers can license and use the mark for free, while businesses and bulk e-mail companies will pay to use it.

    Great, so now my inbox gets filled with spam, but from companies that are paying Habeas to do so. I'll have to add the domains of those who purchase licenses to my filters... wait, isn't that what I'm doing now?

    Sure, sue spammers for trademark infringement, copyright violations. Yes, since the RIAA, MPAA, and Microsoft are having so much success stamping out piracy in China, I'm sure this new scheme is going to stop the spammers cold! In fact let me call my broker so I can buy some Habeas stock!

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  3. Re:As requested by hey! · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hmm. So far as a I know 5-7-5 is the rule; in addition to be a true haiku it must have a nature theme; satirical 5-7-5 verses are known as senryu. Strict rules in the form of haiku made sense because the form originated as a set of standard openings (hokku) for renga. Renga is kind of a Japanese poetry geek game in whihc players take turns adding to the end of a poem according to complicated rules as to form and theme. Collections of hokku were made the way chess enthusiasts collect openings. Eventually, making hokku branched off into a separate literary activity.

    People adapting the haiku form to other languages may well relax the 5-7-5 rule, because it doesn't really make sense in many other languages other than Japanese. Every language has its unique sound which dicttaes its poetic form. However, I'd argue that a true haiku canot be created in any language other Japanese, or perhaps some other language that flows similarly. The true sound of a Japanese 5-7-5 stanza cannot be captured in English. I expect that certain English forms, such as the limerick, don't fare well in Japanese. English is a stressed language, so all limericks share a kind of flow to them: da-DAdada-DAdada-DUM, da-DAdada-DAdada-DUM, da-DAdada-DUM, da-DAdada-DUM,da-DAdada-DAdada-DUM.

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  4. Re:How to title a Haiku? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    school teach haiku
    before teach proper grammar
    thank you public schools.

    this is haiku, not
    iambic pentameter
    please assume we know :)

  5. Re:[Slightly OT] nitpick time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Truly astounding

    A Latin argument was

    Thus held in Haiku

  6. use Poetry::Limerick; by maybelline · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I don't really get the haiku.
    Why do so many think it is so cool?
    English isnt alive,
    In 5-7-5.
    So instead try it in limerick-fu.

  7. Re: Spammers for Spam? by cez · · Score: 2, Insightful

    this is probably redundant, but I just finished the article and am too lazy to read the rest of the commentary;

    ""Commercial e-mailers who meet Habeas' strict definition of non-spam will be billed a penny per sent message for the warranting service, capped at $3,000 per month. The fee may seem steep for small-scale publishers and marketers, but some said it would be worth it to guarantee their product would actually arrive in subscribers' in-boxes."

    But sounds like a service for charging for certain spam, and not allowing your competitors.

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  8. On the haiku form by gripdamage · · Score: 5, Insightful

    haikus should contain
    wind blowing, leaves falling
    something about nature

    spam unnatural
    cut cows however you want
    you will not find it

    find the truth of it
    syllables not everything
    more to sky than stars

  9. Re:I've got your challange right here... by Fourier · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There is more going on in the world of SPAM prevention than the stupidity of adding Haikus to e-mail messages (great waste of bandwidth).

    How much more a waste
    is sending ASCII email
    with HTML?

  10. Re:Items not raised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    That's not right; from their license:

    E. "HABEAS COMPLIANT MESSAGE" means any EMAIL for which any of the following is true:

    1.The SENDER has the VERIFIED PERMISSION of each and every ADDRESSEE.

    2.The SENDER and each and every ADDRESSEE are all individuals who share a preexisting, professional (as opposed to merchant-consumer) relationship, and the EMAIL is relevant to that professional relationship.

    3.Each and every ADDRESSEE is a personal friend or family member of the SENDER, the EMAIL is not equally applicable to many other potential recipients, and the EMAIL is not COMMERCIAL.

    4.The EMAIL is sent to a single ADDRESSEE.

    And...

    L."VERIFIED PERMISSION" means ADDRESSEE has confirmed their desire and permission to have their EMAIL address placed on a mailing list, whether that list has one or many potential SENDERS (where an unmoderated mailing list is an example of the latter). An ADDRESSEE has granted VERIFIED PERMISSION if any of the following is true:

    1. The ADDRESSEE explicitly indicates interest to the mailing list operator in having their EMAIL address placed on the mailing list; and the operator sends the ADDRESSEE a confirmation EMAIL; and the ADDRESSEE confirms their permission by emailing back or by visiting an operator-provided URL. The operator maintains the confirmation messages and/or the URL logs, and such messages and/or logs should include a unique token generated by the operator.

    2. ADDRESSEE has previously been a participant in the mailing list discussion.

    3. ADDRESSEE is personally known to the mailing list owner and/or operator and ADDRESSEE has explicitly confirmed in person or over the telephone to that owner and/or operator that ADDRESSEE wishes to have their EMAIL address placed on the mailing list.

    http://www.habeas.com/license/index.htm

  11. More spam haiku by ABIGGUY · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Spam drifts like snowfall
    Where is the mail from my friends?
    Lost in the blizzard.

  12. Doubtful. by hyphz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I am not quite sure
    This will do much good at all.
    Please let me explain:

    Personal use is free,
    But they charge firms to use it.
    Not all firms will pay.

    Most folks will prefer
    To get a thousand spam than
    To lose one real mail.

    If it's mail from firms
    That's more likely to get lost
    That is even worse:

    Mail folk WANT from firms
    Tends to be most important:
    Reciepts, upgrades, on..

    In the article
    They said mail lacking haiku
    Should not be destroyed;

    Yet having the mail
    Brought to your attention is
    Yes/No, no degree.

    Even if you store
    Suspect mail apart from clean
    In case real mail's lost,

    To check for that loss
    You must sort through all the spam
    Which defies the point.

    Also mentioned was
    Countries which don't have these laws
    Can spam just the same:

    So how long before
    They set up remailer bots
    That add the haiku?

    Even if the mail
    Didn't come from China when
    It was written first,

    The 'criminal' act -
    Adding haiku without leave -
    will have happened there.

    Spam filters should be
    Based on what mail to turn down,
    Not what to accept.

  13. Re:Ignorance is beaming by Copid · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wow. I almost have no words for this. Either you slept through history and don't totally understand what your just said, or you're also one of the people who makes jokes about the holocaust under Hitler and wonders why nobody laughs.

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  14. not a damn Hiaku, so sue me... by pnutjam · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The 2nd to last paragraph makes me lose hope of ever getting rid of spam.

    businesses and bulk e-mail companies will pay to use it.

    so this is really just a way for them to get in the loop and make some money off the spammers.
    ROTTEN!

  15. nice read by deft · · Score: 3, Insightful

    thankfully the posts
    usually long winded
    are much shorter now

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