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Pig-to-Human Transplants On Their Way

cscx writes: "From the folks who brought you Dolly the cloned sheep, come genetically modified cloned pigs which they claim may eventually be able to donate their organs to humans for transplant usage. Who knows, we may make that mark on your driver's license obsolete after all."

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  1. question for the jewish folks by Afrosheen · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is this gonna be kosher or not?

    1. Re:question for the jewish folks by Moosifer · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yes - it would be acceptable. There's a law in judaism that translates roughly to "for the sake of the life" that essentially overrides most other restrictive laws, including those of the sabbath and kosher practices. Contrary to what the "fanatical middle-east religion" poster suggested, life is actually considered valuable.

    2. Re:question for the jewish folks by mr100percent · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Hmmm, there are a variety of fatwas(Islamic rulings) by clerics which make it seem halaal(kosher for Muslims).


      One such fatwa reccomends that in cases of transplant where an organ is necessary for survival, a non-living component can be used or the organs of animals permissible to eat and killed according to Islamic rites of slaughter (similiar to Kosher).


      If the transplant need is life-threatening and the organ is only found in Haraam(forbidden) animals or permissible animals that were killed in a non-Islamic/non-Kosher fashion, then it's permissible. "However, if there is no imminent danger of loss of life then it will not be permissible to use anything from the pig. "

  2. Dual use pigs. by coryboehne · · Score: 4, Funny

    MMMM, Bacon.... drool :p~~~~

    Now after I block my veins with fatty deposits, and destroy my heart, the same pig can now give me a new heart? Awesome....

    1. Re:Dual use pigs. by unicron · · Score: 3, Funny

      Make the pig pay for your mistakes, that's real friggin compassionate, man.

      =)

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      Finally, math books without any of that base 6 crap in them.
    2. Re:Dual use pigs. by Frank+of+Earth · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ok.. I have to quote the Simpson's episode:

      Homer: Are you saying you're never going to eat any animal again? What about bacon?
      Lisa: No.
      Homer: Ham?
      Lisa: No!
      Homer: Pork chops?
      Lisa: Dad, those all come from the same animal!
      Homer: Heh heh heh... ooh... yeah... right, Lisa. A wonderful... magical animal.

      Courtesy of http://www.kerp.net/homer.html

  3. Re:What effect will this have on the Earth? by tempny · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My grandma is at that stage of her life where she should have normally been dead. Not to sound coarse, as I love her, but she is being kept alive by drugs which reduce her life to confusion and pain, and I suspect against her will. A lot of medical science these days seems to have forgotten that quality of life matters as much as life itself.

  4. Re:organs by rbgaynor · · Score: 5, Funny

    Unless, of course, you are the pig...

    --
    "Good things don't end with eum, they end with mania or teria." - H. Simpson
  5. The CIA info by coryboehne · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here is what the CIA has to say on the subject.
    Demo Trends CIA report

  6. As a type 1 diabetic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    I watch all of this carefully. For many years, they made insulin for humans from pigs (and then later cows). About 20 years ago, they started producing real human insulin. The pig/cow insulins were fairly close to human, and worked well enough to keep people alive.

    In recent years, they've been able to transplant islet cells from human pancreases into type 1 diabetics, essentially making them non-diabetic. However, each procedure requires two prancreases, so that drives the cost and effort up. If they could use pig pancreases instead, it'd probably be quite easy and even affordable (once you consider the cost of insulin and all the other supplies) to perform this procedure more.

    Of course, the major obstacle they still face is rejection. Beyond the normal sort of organ rejection problem is the fact that type 1 diabetics' bodies were the ones that killed off the insulin producing cells in the first place. A lot of the anti-rejection drugs have their own nasty side-effects, and I'm not sure a life of those is any better than a life of injecting insulin.

  7. Why sugars (or why not proteins)? by CowbertPrime · · Score: 3, Informative

    When we look at tissue grafting and associated histocompatibility issues, we usually think of proteins. That is, after all, how the histocompatibility genes were discovered first in mice then humans, and the modern field of immunogenetics was founded. However, the article points to sugars and how their absence can so lessen acute xenograft rejection. The role of sugars in cell recognition can be found in the January 1993 issue of Scientific American.

  8. The *really* scary part hasn't even been mentioned by McSpew · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Anybody who watches Frontline on PBS has already seen a lengthy and incredibly in-depth story about the future of xenotransplantation.

    The scary part about pig-to-human transplants is the possibility of humans contracting pig viruses through xenotransplants that could mutate and cause widespread disease. Transplant patients have to take medications that suppress their immune systems so their bodies won't reject their new organs. Thus, the possibility of cross-species disease propagation is very real and very scary.

    Pigs being bred for transplantation are currently birthed by caesarian section directly into a bath of iodine and kept in a sterile environment from then on. But even so, it's unlikely that such animals are 100% free of pathogens. Anyone who receives a pig organ should understand that they will be considered as much of a disease threat as if they were HIV-positive for the rest of their lives. They are not to have unprotected sex and should not have children.

    It's scary stuff and not to be taken lightly.

  9. Re:The *really* scary part hasn't even been mentio by dvdeug · · Score: 5, Insightful

    the possibility of cross-species disease propagation is very real and very scary.

    Why? We've been living with and eating these creatures for millenia. (We've probably been having sex with them for the same time, sick as the concept may be.) Many farmers have probably got pigs blood in open wounds - they tend not to be squeamish when killing animals. If there's a disease that pigs carry that humans haven't already developed at least partial immunity to, then it is extraordinarily hard to catch.

    They are not to have unprotected sex and should not have children.

    Um, why? Why do we think that those will be the primary means of transmission? If a new disease does come out of the woodwork, it seems that any mode of transmission may be used.

  10. PERV by tlambert · · Score: 5, Informative

    You are talking about Porcine Endogenous Retro Virus (PERV).

    The answer is that we have actually been using pigs for Xenotransplantation for a very long time: my Grandfather had a pig-valve in his heart, and Jim Finn has fetal pig brain cells in his brain, along with 12 other people, which has (effectively) halted his parkinsons disease, and reversed most of the symptoms (he can work on his car himself now, when before he was reduced from crawling from room to room on his elbows).

    Both of these surgeries are vintage 1980's/1990's, and many heart-vavle operations predate that time period, since we did not have mechanical replacements designed until more recently.

    The Russians have also been using pig liver cells to treat incurable, and otherwise fatal hepatitus and liver cancer cases, successfully.

    In all cases, the protocols require that the person remain sexually inactive in order to avoid the risk of transmitting PERV human-to-human.

    However, all testing for the past two decades has indicated that PERV is not transmissable to humans from transplanted tissue: out of the many hundreds of porcine xenotransplant recipients, not a single one tests positive for PERV anywhere but the transplanted porcine cells themselves.

    If you are up for a lot of reading, Jim Finn's story (in short form) with a lot of links is available at:

    http://tv.carlton.com/organfarm/jim.jhtml

    See also Jim's own online journal:

    http://www.geocities.com/jimcfinn/index.html

    Here is the medical writeup of Jim and the 12 other patients in the journal "Neurology":

    http://www.neurology.org/cgi/content/abstract/54 /5 /1042

    -- Terry