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Slashback: Galeon, Forgent, Platformation
Who said what now? bratgrrl writes "eWeek's "Red Hat: Next Redmond?"article was quietly and without comment altered- they deleted the crucial "Red Hat backlash" quote from the original article. No retraction, no explanation, just an Orwellian revision. Thank goodness for Google, which cached the original article.
I suspect the original quote never happened."
Because not everyone needs Chatzilla. Mozilla gets a lot of attention around here -- after all, it is the giant lizard of the open source browser world. But to the question "What about Galeon?", Nachtjäger writes: "The answer: LOTS is happening to Galeon. Given the length of time since the last release, we decided to write up an update on how things are going on Galeon2. Check it out here"
I hope certain aspects of Galeon (tab-name shortening and color coding, for two) are soon rolled back into Mozilla.
OK, now you can have it. Esekla writes "Slashdot did an article about the announcement of Kylix 3 (the first Kylix to support C++ code), but at the time it was not actually available for download. Now both Open and Enterprise Trial editions finally can be downloaded."
Now you can assemble your yard-sale cluster. Speaking of things now really available, BJH writes: "The site featured in last week's Dreamcast BBA story is now accepting orders! The good news is, they're only $US80 each. The bad news is, they're not accepting orders from outside Japan ;) (If there's enough interest, perhaps someone could be convinced to do a bulk buy and ship to people overseas...)"
Anyone who offers something interesting enough in trade can have my Dreamcast for mucking about ;)
When you trace things back far enough ... Dennis writes: "Although Chris has a valid point about the catch 22 between Win2K, SP3 and HIPAA, his example is not accurate because medical records that are related to students are protected by FERPA regulations and not by HIPAA. Here's a reference link with more info."
The fat ladies are still warming up. john82 writes "With all the hoopla still swirling about MP3s, there is fresh information in the JPEG saga. Dateline Berlin: Algovision-Luratech GmbH says that Forgent's patent claim (4,698,672) is all wet. Technical experts have laid out the technical and legal arguments against the claim. And they intend to air the dirty laundry at a meeting Sept 4. The announcement by Forgent earlier this year caused quite a stir here. Wonder if Sony can get their money back?"
Of especial interest to iBook owners. Earlier this month, Slashdot posted the news that rather than wiping your Mac's OS to put on a GNU/Linux system, you could order Yellow Dog Linux preinstalled on Apple hardware. Ray Sanders of Qli Tech Linux Computers writes: "We also are selling Apple Systems with Linux installed, however, Terrasoft is only installing Yellow Dog Linux, we offer Gentoo PPC, Debian PPC, Mandrake PPC, and SuSE PPC. We also have full working sound and video on the iBook and Powerbook with XFree86, whereas YDL Does not yet support the mobile Radeon chipset found on those two units."
Competition is good.
I think this has interesting implications for the future. I certainly don't like the idea of Internet news sites silently changing pages, but the problem is that there is no definite way (besides Google and the like) to know if a page has been changed. It was sneaky enough when we found out that CNN does it, but at least they update the timestamp. Everything regarding modification date is controlled on the server that returns the page. What I'd like to see, if it doesn't exist already, is a system for clients to verify that a page has not been changed. Perhaps something like a MD5 hash of each webpage you visit being stored on your computer, and a warning displayed if it doesn't match upon future views. Of course this would cause massive false alarms on dynamic sites, but perhaps there could be introduced a standard for putting tags around the actual article on news sites, so they would know what else to filter out?
Otherwise, I can see these sort of changes becoming more and more prevalent, until eventually the fear of political-correctness and not insulting anyone completely drives us to immediately change anything considered "offensive" and deny it ever existed. Then, we will have 1984.
"Under the spreading chestnut tree, I sold you and you sold me. There lie they, and here lie we, under the spreading chestnut tree."
I'm running gcc-3.2 (with all libs compiled with 3.2). Are the C++ parts of Kylix compatible, and, if not, when does Borland plan to offer a gcc-3.2 compatible version of Kylix?
Thank goodness for Google, which cached the original article.
Tell that to this guy.
Bloodmoon, Yes all of our Apple Linux Systems dual boot OSX/Linux by default. If memory serves correctly, YDL also does Dual Boot by default.
I'd strongly suggest Gentoo Linux 1.4 when it hits the street in early-mid sept.
Altivec Support is a good thing
All "New World" Macs use Open Firmware for booting and you can have as many OS partitions as you like, with or without any of the MacOSes. Linux does need to reside on a different partition from MacOS X, though, as some of the directory structures clash.
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The internet is the greatest source of biased information in the history of mankind.
I wonder if the behavior of organizations like eWeek will eventually change, as it becomes clear that when some questionable behavior is noticed and discussed publicly, that said organization can't just get away with quietly trying to hide the original problem?
I think a big part of the behavior of execs at these companies - aside from the fact that they're businessmen, not journalists, and wouldn't know a journalistic ethic if it bit them in the MBA - is that the execs don't "feel" the criticism, because they don't participate in online forums, so at best, hear about it secondhand, and certainly don't feel threatened by it - they don't perceive it as "real".
Before you scoff, I have an example. It was reported on TV the other day that Jeff Skilling, ex-CEO of Enron, currently hangs out at some chic club in Houston, essentially crying in his beer and asking people if they believe his claims of being innocent of wrongdoing.
Regardless of Skilling's innocence or guilt, he clearly feels a great deal of shame (or is doing a decent job of pretending that). This guy's a Harvard-educated MBA, he's taught essentially that ethics are secondary to profit, and how to put that into practice, so why the shame?
Because he has been publicly attacked and judged, in venues that he and his peers understand and participate in themselves - in this case, the major media, especially TV and print.
When we have executives who've grown up IM'ing their buddies from their bedrooms, who have a feel for online media, will they be as averse to being excoriated in those media, as current execs are to the old media? Are we simply seeing a bunch of tired old companies trying to hide their heads in the sand and pretend that no-one sees what they're doing? When it's finally realized that this doesn't work, will it stop?
Oh wait. This is the real world, and I'm talking about interminably idiotic human beings. Please ignore everything I've just said.
yes, they modified the online version, but they can't unprint it. I recieved my copy today and it's still there.
Creationists are a lot like zombies. Slow, but powerful and numerous. And they all want to eat our brains.
It is absolutely possible. There is a nice set of instructions at here for installing Debian. While it is explicitly about the iBook, the process should work on a Ti book just fine.
I have trouble following the ongoing arms race between Apple's laptop designers and the benh kernels but -- don't YDL 2.2 and 2.3 support current iBooks and TiBooks, if maybe not in every last detail?
They definitely work on most models with mobile Radeons, but there may have been a new revision I'm not aware of.
What I'm listening to now on Pandora...
I've mirrored the Galeon 2 web page and screenshots here.
I sure hope Mozilla gets ported to gtk2 quickly, and maybe even Garnome features Galeon2 soon.
When I bought my iBook, I also purchased Yellow Dog, because I feared that even though OSX is BSD under the hood, it wouldn't feel "Unixy" enough for me. But thanks to the porting efforts of the fink team, I have pretty much everything I'd want on my OSX box. In fact with X & Gnome, I have it set up to look exactly like my Solaris box at work. I ended up never installing YDL.
Of course, I'm not everyone, so I'll ask: Is there any really compelling reason to go to a Linux distro left?
The Galeon developments are nice. As someone who is forced to use Windows at my work computer, I keep waiting for developments from K-Meleon, the windows equivilent.
K-Meleon 0.6 was released almost a year ago.
I would also like to see a Mac version, but I guess I cannot have everything. iCab is pretty good on that platform.
- (c) 2018 Hank Zimmerman
you and i both know that it's just chump change for Sony. i mean... look at the music CD prices for a change? 16.99 for a CD that costs 5 cents to produce? even after royalties and packaging and the ads (and the really expensive RIAA lawyers)... they would still have bundles left over.
so what's a couple million here and there... they probabbly paid it just so Forgent can afford some lawyers and Sony execs can have something to bet on.
My life in the land of the rising sun.
Mozilla is two things, and many people get them confused. First, there's the browser that most Slashdotters know and some love.
However, more fundamentally, there's the development platform which presents an XUL interface for developers to write their own applications. Mozilla the browser is one such application (the reference app, you might say), but so is Galeon. For that matter so are Netscape, Komodo (not a browser, but an IDE!) and at some point, presumably AOL's UI.
When we compare these apps to Mozilla, it's kind of like comparing XFree86 to the MIT reference server. Yes, there's some value in the comparison, but let us not forget that the one is built on top of the other, and here's to hoping that Galeon (in which I'm writing this) becomes as mature and feature-rich as XFree86!
[NOTE: Yes, it's only a loose comparison, since XFree has re-written much of the internals of the MIT refernce server, where Galeon is pretty much layered right atop the Mozilla framework. Still, it's the best comparison I can think of right now]
Aside from the official site, ncsx is also accepting pre-orders for the dreamcast broad band unit.
The rendering is generally pretty snappy, though I have hit a few pages that make it take a long pause, I assume to shuffle doument elements around the screen (The business section of cnn.com is particularly bad for this.)
All in all it's a great browser. You don't realize how much you come to depend on its features until you're stuck using another one, too. The Dev team did an excellent job; kudos to them.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
I've just gotta say that I think Galeon is the best thing to come out of the Mozilla work to date. Maybe newbs like mediocre e-mail clients and other whiz-bangs built into their browsers, me... I like a browser. One that's fast, intuitive, fast, simple, feature-rich, and fast. Galeon is all of these, and fast to boot! My biggest complaint about it is there isn't (nor likely ever will be) a Windows version I can use when surfing at work. But from home, nothing can top it!
MP3 has a right to do anything they want with their patent; we have Ogg so if Thompson gets to be too nasty about enforcing MP3, we can simply switch over (as RedHat is doing). Remember: Thompson has never hid the fact that they had a patent on MP3; the people who made MP3 a popular format for pirating music in fact broke Thompson license agreements and copyrights. I seriously doubt that they will go after the XMMS developers (free MP3 decoder for Linux); they aren't even going after the Lame developers (Free MP3 encoder for Linux). They make a good deal from money from MP3 hardware players and from commercial MP3 encoders/decoders for Windows (money they deserve to earn); they won't go after anything free for Linux because that will just make for less MP3 users and more OGG users.
Forgent, on the other hand, has no right to JPEG. This is simply a case of some greedy corporate types who saw that their company was going down the tubes--this happens to companies which do not provide goods and services of value for people any more. Instead of providing something of value, they went through their patent profile and found something that looked like a patent on JPEG. In their greed, they blackmailed some large Japanese corporations, some of whom gave in easily--I guess giving money to shady organizations is an accepted norm in their culture.
Naturally, once their actions became public, the reaction was outrage. And well it should have been--Forgent did nothing to help invent JPEG or make the JPEG image format a reality. All they did was make a different motion video format which had some similarities to JPEG--simply because the cutting edge of image compression at the time was based on DCTs and run-length encoding. Any similarities their format has to JPEG is because both JPEG and Forgent's thingy used the same previously invented principles. If Forgent did, in fact, invent JPEG, and never hid the fact it was patented, we would be in a different situtation. Since Forgent did neither, they do not have a chance of winning a court case.
If I were Sony, I would sue Forgent for making false patnet claims or some such.
- Sam
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As I understand certainly MPEG 2 (as used in DVD [Video]) uses MP3 to encode the audio.
No, the version of MPEG-2 used in DVD Video uses Dolby's AC3 codec, generally in 2.0 or 5.1 channel configuration. One of the reasons Apple can't license iDVD free of charge to all Macintosh computer owners is that Apple must pay the MPEG-2 patent pool for each DVD encoding or decoding software product shipped.
Will I retire or break 10K?
gEdit and some other GTK+ based applications have some pretty nifty tabbed effects: basically, dragging one out of a window makes a new window. Dragging it back into another windows combines the tabs into one main parent window.
:) If Mozilla could somehow support that, I'd be much happier with it.
How handy is that? Very handy! It makes the interface a lot easier to use, and more obvious. You just drag what you want to where it should be and use it
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Internet Explorer (n): Another bug -- that is, a feature that can't be turned off -- in Windows.
The single most important feature that makes me use Galeon over Mozilla is the option to open popups in a new tab. I consider this better than completely banning unrequested popups, because some sites use the popups for stuff other than ads. I think every browser with tabs should have this option and I have only seen it in Galeon. (Does Konqueror have it? I don't have a recent enough version.)
-jfedor
...This is one time where I *must* hide behind the AC to post something...
I recently had my educational records sealed at my university through FERPA. Most of my privacy options can be set online through the university's private portal. This portal allows me to pay tuition, register for classes, check grades, etc. FERPA cannot be done through this system and you must come in person to give the administration a written notice to activate "FERPA". The reason why I did this was because I was applying for summer jobs at the local places such as Costco, Circuit City, The Good Guys, and other places. A lot of the places ask for educational history and the contact info on where to get transcripts. I found that very odd since the work I was going to do was brainless sales work. Interestingly, every place attempted to get my records. What's even more amazing is that my university called me and said that a certain store was using my social security number in an attempt to get my transcript. That same store claimed that they were me and wanted the transcript. When I got the phone call, I went ahead and called up the store to ask them what they were up to. They denied everything but my university is required to report the incident. Its nice to have such things, since I know where not to go next time.
Galeon has been my browser of choice for many months. I think I started using it at about v0.9, give or take a month or so.
... it's got a problem. It's slowing down.
... what's up with that? Will I expect better from galeon2, or will it just slow down further, forcing me to change camps - I certainly don't want to buy new processors because an application drifted towards bloatware!!
I love it, can't live without it, but
My hardware hasn't changed (dual p3-500) other than bumping ram from 256M to 512M, but with each new galeon release it's turned from lightning to treacle. Opening a new window takes *seconds*. Opening a number of new windows at the same time is painful.
So
Slashdot? Oh, I just read it for the articles.
You can preorder your DC BBA through NCSX, a reputable import gaming retailer, for only $49, less than the original BBA cost from Sega. Their site seems to be undergoing some work right now, but I placed my order a few days ago, $56.13 shipped! No, I don't work for them, but it's a great way for us who can't read Japanese to get in on this deal. I just hope it hits 1000 orders...
Of course, I'm not everyone, so I'll ask: Is there any really compelling reason to go to a Linux distro left?
Here's a good one: Speed.
OS X is a fairly well engineered Unix but at its core is Mach, and Mach-based systems don't have a good reputation for performance. Darwin is better than most Mach-based systems but it's still a traditional message-passing nanokernel and there is a performance hit associated with that, compared to a monolithic kernel (of which Linux is an excellent example) or newer approaches to microkernel design like L4 (which the HURD, currently based on Mach, is gradually porting to).
If you're developing POSIXy software on Apple hardware, the seconds you save on your compiles using Linux can very quickly add up into minutes, hours and days. This is especially true on SMP hardware - which of course, every PowerMac is now - where Linux currently scales better than anyone else, at least on systems up to about 8 processors.
Similarly, if you're using the machine exclusively as a server (an area Apple is trying to push into), the extra speed of Linux may come in useful.
In any case, if you're going to use the machine largely as a GNOME workstation, why not run it on Linux, where it runs fastest (insert rant by FreeBSD users) and has the least rough edges? You're obviously familiar with Unixes, and you use fink so you must be comfortable with apt-get. Why not use Debian where you use the same tools but have a far far larger package selection?
You see, it depends on what you use your Mac for. If you absolutely must have some Cocoa-based apps, then yes, OS X is the better solution. If you want an idiot-proof interface, then yes, OS X is better. But if all your MacOS apps are Classic or Carbon then Mac-on-Linux works fine. Audio apps don't work so well, but then they don't under Classic on OS X and there's not much of a rush to make them run native on OS X, so either way it's a reboot into OS 9.
Personally I think KDE is beginning to outclass OS X eye-candy wise (Keramik is drop-dead gorgeous and the Crystal icons are excellent too) so at the very least this is less of a factor than it used to be.
Put simply: if you want Unix, well, OS X is a good Unix. But Linux is just better at it.
Just a quick update... NCSX is back up and running... get those orders in!
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Figure about $3 for manufacturing, production and royalty costs for major mass market acts. Retailers (used to - haven't checked in a few years) pay between $7-$10 per CD in store, which they then sold for between $15-$18. The retailer's making a markup, and so are the record companies. On a $3 disc, they might make an extra 5 or 6 buck selling to retailers, who then double it. Yeah, that's a decent profit margin, but it's certainly not '5 cents -> $17' type margins.
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The Galeon developments are nice. Yes, but what is even nicer is that Galeon is Mozilla without all the bloat. To the Galeon developers I say this: "Thank YOU!!! Galeon rocks, I'm so glad I've ditched Mozilla. But please, please don't develop this great browser to death. Small (and standards compliant) is beautiful.
Better to be despised for too anxious apprehensions, than ruined by too confident a security. --Edmund Burke
I was writing an e-mail to Executive editor of Ziff Media asking for explanation on backward news changes, when the google cache was apparently updated. Nothing ever happened! Freedom is slavery. Peace is war.
If you want tab name shortening in Mozilla, then please take the time to vote for and indicate support for it here in bug 126611.
Currently this enhancement is marked as WONTFIX, which is the wrong decision IMO.
Fink is the free software component of your operating system then. Thats one of the points of free software, so that people are free to do that kind of thing. If you install most of what you like from one operating system to another, that's not switching--that's adopting.
:)
Then, there's that whole *cough* freedom thing that people have their minds set not to take seriously. *cough* *cough*
Did I mention how great I think Apple is?
I find it very strange that a Slashback would criticize a news web site for silently altering a story, when Slashdot itself does this on a regular basis.
/. editors see how many strikethroughs the main page has, they will incorporate a spell check into the story submission system.
Come on guys, show the world the correct way - make ALL the editors make ALL changes as addenda to the story, rather than in-line. After all, if I cannot change my posting once I hit SUBMIT, then you shouldn't be able to change your stories.
If you wish to correct minor speling (sic) errors, then correct them by marking the old text as strikethrough, and then inserting the new. Yes, it won't look as nice, but it will be more honest. And perhaps when the
www.eFax.com are spammers
Well, it didn't make it because the editors rejected it at least once. (I know, I posted it.)
At least mafia-owned pizzarias make excellent pizza. Compare to Bill Gates.
Your search - cache:miW9o7Rra4gJ:www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,4 84704,00.asp "There is a backlash against Red Hat - did not match any documents.
I sure would like to buy a PowerPC computing preinstalled with Debian from Europe, but I fear Swiss taxes and the cost of transport would kill the deal for me...
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