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Hotmail: Not Safe For Work?

silentknight writes "According to MSNBC, web-based e-mail providers such as Yahoo and Hotmail may not be a haven for your private e-mail anymore. At least not while you're at work. SpectorSoft is introducing eBlaster, which aims to "secretly forward all e-mail coming and going through such Web-based accounts to a spy's e-mail". Corporations will most likely argue that, because of sites like Internal Memos, companies need to keep a tighter grip on the information that flows in and out of their companies. But attempting to spying on private e-mail?? In the words of Homer J. Simpson: "Butt out, Buttinsky"."

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  1. To be honest by ObviousGuy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The time you spend at work, you ought to be working, not sending personal email, making personal calls, or anything besides work-related stuff.

    Now this becomes a little tough because we aren't automatons and have lives outside of work that need tending to. However, to expect that what you do within the walls of your company is private is laughable.

    Just assume that everything you do there is under surveillance. Heck, all your thoughts are already belong to them.

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    1. Re:To be honest by nagarjun · · Score: 5, Insightful

      However, to expect that what you do within the walls of your company is private is laughable.

      That's highly culture specific. For example, most Asian companies usually do not insist that *whatever* you do on company time is teh company's. Heck, I did not even sign a contract to that effect.

    2. Re:To be honest by Mr_Silver · · Score: 5, Insightful
      The time you spend at work, you ought to be working, not sending personal email, making personal calls, or anything besides work-related stuff.

      Which is fine until you point out that the flip side of this is that you'll only work your contracted hours and never think about work outside of work hours.

      If a company is going to totally restrict what you do during work hours then they shouldn't expect any favours back - especially when a better job comes along as you'll be the first out of the door.

      It works both ways, they make your working conditions pleasant and you reward them with loyalty.

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    3. Re:To be honest by pubjames · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you don't like their rules you can be sure they can find someone else to fill your sandals.

      Backwards thinking again. If you don't like their rules, you should go work for someone else. If then can find another idiot that doesn't mind being treated like a kid then that's fine by me.

      what about smoking crack on company time ? would u agree with that?

      Erm. No. I wouldn't agree with that. I expect to be treated like an adult because I can act like an adult. If a company employs idiots and potheads then they deserve everything they get.

    4. Re:To be honest by Lysander+Luddite · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I spend about 1.5 hours a day actually doing work. If I were home on a real computer with real software I could do everything I need to do in half that time.

      Yet, somehow I need to spend 9 hours a day at work simply because the phone might ring. I'd be happy to work if I had some. In fact, I actually request more work constantly. By all accounts I would be a model employee. Yet, when I have nothing to do I surf the web. I'm using company resources to do things other than my job.

      So I guess that makes me a bad person.

      *rolls eyes*

      If I do my job appropriately and efficiently then the company should cut me some slack. I'm not wasting company time or resources if I have fulfilled my job duties. If I read a book at work would it be any different?

    5. Re:To be honest by RailGunner · · Score: 5, Insightful
      If a company is going to totally restrict what you do during work hours then they shouldn't expect any favours back - especially when a better job comes along as you'll be the first out of the door.

      Quite honestly, you should do that anyways. Company loyalty is a complete farce. Most companies treat people as "human resources" anyways, and in most companies your employment is "at will".

      Quit giving your lives and your hearts and your souls to a company like that. You'll be much happier if you think of yourselves as mercenaries - do honest work for honest pay. If you think a management decision is stupid, as long as it's legal / ethical, then kick back and remember that they're paying you to work, they're not paying you to care. Example: Say some pointy haried boss wants you to implement a horrible User Interface. You know it's a bad idea, that it'll be clunky. GO AHEAD AND GIVE THE PHB WHAT HE/SHE WANTS! Let them deal with any consequences. If a company starts reading your private email, then quit. Find something else.

      And this isn't a bad attitude. When you're at work, you should perform your duties to the best of your ability. However, when you're not at work, forget about work. And if someone offers you a better job, then TAKE IT. Start putting yourselves and your families over your jobs. Ultimately, your own self and your family is far more important then a company that's here today, gone tomorrow.

      Look what company loyalty got employees at Enron and WorldCom.

  2. Make all changes retroactive, technology-wise by SirSlud · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The best way to make people rise up against this is simply to encourage employers to try to apply the goals and reasoning of software like this against traditional communication services.

    How many people you think would be cool with their employer listening in on their personal phone calls, and opening all their personal mail that gets sent to the office?

    Apply it to everything, and people will understand that this is an encroachment on what we currently have, not a reasonable measure for dealing with a newish technology.

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    1. Re:Make all changes retroactive, technology-wise by SirSlud · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because my company prefers me being at work rather than taking a morning off just to sign for a package at home? So I get it sent to work; I can sign for it, and I dont miss any time.

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    2. Re:Make all changes retroactive, technology-wise by gmhowell · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ditto some of the other replies. NO mail gets delivered in my office until it is opened. Even stuff that says "personal and confidential" is opened. It's a safety issue. There have been a couple of death threats throughout the years. It's also my facility. I paid for the person opening the mail, I paid for the post box. Trust me, I have no interest in reading a subpoena from your divorce attorney. I really don't. But if that's a death threat, I owe it to you AND THE OTHER EMPLOYEES to tell the cops.

      In our employee handbooks, we reserve the right to monitor calls. We never have, but we can. We allow a few calls (lots of mothers in my office. Lots of calls to/from the office to make sure the kiddies got off the bus okay) which is no big deal. Same thing with... A million little things. People are more productive, like you say, if they don't have to stay at home to wait for a package, to order a repair of their appliance, etc. But some people abuse the privelage.

      It's a balance that has to be struck. What seems to work is when we suspect someone of abusing the phone, we just remind them that we allow limited personal calls, and that we can monitor their calls to see if they are abusing the privelege. The offending behavior stops within hours:)

      And to the naysayers who say 'ignore company loyalty'. I've got news for you: it's a chicken and egg problem. I'll extend loyalty. We've got employees working for us who were around in the Ford administration. Until they retired, there were a couple of employees who changed my diapers. They gave their loyalty. We reciprocated. Need 2 months off for back surgery and recovery? No problem. Hope you get better. We'll keep your chair warm for you. OTOH, you think we're only good for a paycheck? Well, screw you. When times get tight, you'll be first on the chopping block. We'll find a way to save the person who stayed late to finish up some work.

      Loyalty works both ways. I think some of the children on slashdot forget that.

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  3. Heh by zapfie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Their computers.

    Their network.

    Their time.

    Their money.

    'nuff said.

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    1. Re:Heh by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 5, Insightful

      OK, then the following changes will take place:

      1. Pay for all my work clothes.

      2. Pay for my fuel expenses going to work.

      3. Pay me for all the unpaid overtime spent in the office *and at home*.

      4. Pay me rent for using my home as temporary office space (see item 3).

      5. Pay my cable modem/DSL bill for VPN'ing over the weekends.

    2. Re:Heh by Dan+Crash · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Their toilets.

      Still think you don't deserve any privacy?

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  4. Re:Ooh, goody... by ergo98 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yet, when a doctor, or lawyer, or any other professional service performs "hours" (I put it in quote because everyone knows that they generally grossly overstate their hours), I don't have the right to monitor their PC during the hours that they are working for me. I find it an interesting paradox that so many people will proclaim the "Yeah, well if you're doing the hours for them!" when so many other examples show that to not be how it works.

    If an employee isn't pulling their weight, warn them and then fire them. It's as simple as that. I understand corporations getting a little annoyed by weenies forwarding internal emails (which is reprehensible and they should be punished), but most justifications are for pathetic, over the shoulder monitoring.

  5. Make sure you don't use the phone either... by beamz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While I understand that a computer is company resources, I believe that responsible use should be acceptable and big big brother should not be there listening.

    Blocking or intercepting email is more or less the same as listening in on a phone conversation. Yes, I know this horse has been beaten to death here but it's still ridiculous.

    If you're not allowed to make personal phone calls then I can understand them not allowing or even monitoring personal computing use but for communications, email should be a protected medium.

  6. Re:Ooh, goody... by Latent+IT · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You're leaving out one major point -

    When we (meaning the IT department at my company) monitors what users are doing, either on the internet, or anything else, they're not just doing it on company time...

    They're doing it with company computers.

  7. the system by mattdm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So it's feudalism at work; democracy on your own time.

    Your words could apply just as well to someone justifying plutocracy as the logical system of government for a nation -- the wealthy landowners get to make the decisions, because they literally own the country. Somehow, in these modern times, we've decided that that's just not acceptable anymore. Why do we still put up with it at work?

  8. Ain't Nobody's Business If You Do by sckeener · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The problem I have with this sort of monitoring is it requires interpretations on the part of the reviewer. What should matter is whether I am creating a hostile work environment and whether I am doing my job. End of story. Mess up on either of those and you should be out the door.

    These sorts of issues are very similar to consensual crimes where the government wants to monitor what you do between consenting adults.

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  9. Re:Is hotmail selling my Email address? by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 3, Insightful
    "I have been getting a lot of spam lately on an address I only give out to my friends. They all seem to keep it in their hotmail and yahoo address books. Is that the spam leak?"

    Many spammers just try random user names and hope they reach an inbox. And even if you open just one random spam with HTML 'phone come' code embedded in it, you are exposed and the spam starts rolling in.

  10. Rights vs brains by MountainLogic · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Sure, it's the company's system, but any smart manager knows that allowing employees to take an occasional personal phone call or email is going to make for more productive worker. Someone stewing about a sick child because they can't get a call from a caregiver is far less productive than a worker getting a quick email every hour with the childs temp.

    There are two types of workers, those who WLL get the work done regardless of distractions and those who will NOT get the workdone even if placed in a locked room. Hire and trust good people! Big brother tactics just makes the productive people less productive and won't fix the duds.

  11. How is this different than a trojan? by DiveX · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Aren't other trojans like Back Orifice and NetBus marketed as 'network tools'? How long before anti-virus programs either add this to their lists or are somehow convinced (bought out, coerved) to intentionally keep this from their list like that did with the FBI's Carnivore program? If you purchase the software eblaster you would think it is yours ,
    but that is not the
    case.

    Spector soft designed the software to periodicly register its serial number with there database. This way if the software is installed in one or more machines they disable your software. Sure a firewall would prevent this communication, but it should also prevent the program from working anyway. I also woant to know what level of trust would one place into a company that can then have total control of your system. Are all those emails marked 'confidential' being sent to the company president also being routed to some other location? In this case security is only as strong as this software company's security. Could someone not take over and then have instant access to hundreds of corporate zombies? Sorry, but I am not about to take that chance.

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  12. Attn Yahoo Users by spacefrog · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just a quick FYI

    https://mail.yahoo.com

    This won't stop them from tracking you, but at least your content will be private.