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Water + Salt + Energy = Clean!
codesmith.ca writes "CTV News is reporting about a device built at the Russian Institute for Medical Engineering that can convert standard water and salt into an antimicrobial solution. Apparently it's works on almost anything (virii, bacteria, cysts...) and it's safe for human consumption to boot. I can't find a site for the institute, but there are articles around. This one is fairly detailed, but hard to reach. Here's the Google cache. Here's one about a paper shows it's not exactly super-new technology." Any chemist care to comment on what sounds to be too good to be true?
val kilmer shows up and proves it to be a hoax.
four-oh-four
cool
does this mean that windows machines will be virus free from now on??
Stand on you own head for a change! --TMBG
Yall can suck my balls. Blah. Voltron does your mom.
This one is fairly detailed, but hard to reach.
ALL links in Slashdot are hard to reach. This one is just soon to be impossible to reach.
This can't be good for the kidneys.... are you sure this is for consumption, and not just for external use?
who has ever been told to gargle with salt water for a sore throat?
1. Claim to have invented salt water
Mod my comments down. It'll be fun.
I can convert beer into a water and salts solution! What do I get?
This wouldn't be a collodial silver generator, would it?
What does that word mean?
I saw the same infomercial on Russian TV one late night, and they said the very same device has been shown to cancel gravity in certainly irreproachably irreproducible experiments conducted at the Skvorny Prkgkvrkngov Institute for Mysterious Russian Research in Moscow.
You get a cool knife set, too, and five winning lottery numbers (based on your unique horoscope and biorhythms), if you order your device immediately and pay cash.
Dionne Warwick bought three.
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Then why aren't you supposed to be in the ocean during a thunderstorm? Seems highly similar...Except apparently with real lightning and salt water you die.
Using electricity, it splits table salt (NaCl) into Na+ and Cl- ions, and you get chlorinated, swimming pool water. And the Na+ is recycled by recombining with Cl- and all you ever add is salt. I saw one of these units on "This Old House," for a swimming pool. Bottom line: never add chlorine, just salt and electricity.
The biggest trick the devil pulled was letting lawyers become politicians so they can write the laws.
From what the article says, it sounds like all they're doing is passing a high electrical current through a saline solution. I don't understand how this solution is supposed to retain its charge, let alone not decompose the salt solution into base molecules. (hydrogen, chlorine, oxygen)
Has anyone seen a more detailed description of how this thing actually works? It can't be as simple as the article describes, solutions just don't work that way.
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"Derp de derp."
That greatly resembles something much older called the ViruStat system, which was basically just a water purifier at the time, which was used to kill 99.9999% of waterborne bacteria to make it safe for drinking and medical purposes and such. That used mainly iodine and electrical charges, and probably some patented method of carbon scrubbing whith purifies the water through some grand lengthy process.
That's not news. What is even cooler is that some less-mainstream chemists and health professionals modified these techniques using certain ions of silver, gold, and vanadium to make some disinfectant agents that are not only cheap and easy to make, but are probably far more effective than older conventional disinfectants. Although aqueous silver and similar products are becoming more popular these days and are being taken more seriously by more respected health professionals, there's still a big 'voodoo' like following, so you'd be likely to find a bunch of snake oil ads if you were to try to find this stuff on the Internet. My best bet if any one is interested is to look for WaterOz or Grise, I'm not even sure now, but ionic solutions of certain transition metals in water are proven to disinfect and are safe to drink, so they make good panaceas in many cases. As it is with any such new products and techniques, buyer beware.
Calm down, it's *only* ones and zeroes.
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It's true, I kid you not! Nine out of eleven ancient Roman emperors had to deal with idiots like you, and all of them would bellow "VIRII!" (as I said, this is absofuckinglutely historically verifiable truth and stuff) before cramming an empurpled imperial foot up the flabby ass of the idiot of the moment.
But and so, like, what they, you know, what they like meant by that was, so to speak, YOU'RE A FUCKING TOOL, BEAVIS.
And you can quote me on that.
This is just a water filtration device, it's not as outlandish as you people are trying to make it sound. if the "hard to find" article is accurate it's not a panacea just a water detoxifier. That's nice, but it's not exactly revolutionary. I guess this one must be fast or cheap or something, I know the destillers we use take forever to fill up. Good knews for the third world, but don't stop worrying about cancer
I hate how p33ps who post news always make it sound revolutionary untill you actually read the story and/or think about it.
Watching the new He-Man and the Masters of the Universe movie last night brought so many emotions to me: joy, for seeing my favorite characters brought to the small screen once again; skepticism, in trying to believe these are the same characters as their original counterparts; and a sense of being overwhelmed, by the sheer number of revelations and surprises Mattel and Mike Young Productions managed to pack into an hour and a half of television.
Truly this is an historic moment for He-Fans everywhere. No longer is our favorite childhood hero banished to a one-time existence in the mid-1980s. Now it has been revived in a refreshing and powerful new series and toyline. Now our He-Man will take his place among the ranks of G.I. Joe, Transformers, Star Wars, and other franchise creations that have permanent appeal over many generations. What the new cartoon proves more than anything is that the concept for Masters of the Universe is timeless.
"The Beginning," which will be split into three "Origin" parts for regular airing, aspires to do something never before attempted in the Masters of the Universe canon. The original cartoon (and toyline) begin during He-Man's heroic career, never explaining how he got the sword or how his rivalry with Skeletor developed. Instead, we were fed constant hints as to how these things happened (Sorceress was assigned the job of giving the swords to their destined owners in "Origin of the Sorceress"), but never truly told the straight story on how a cowardly prince became the champion of Eternia. Mattel and Mike Young Productions have chosen not only to finally tell He-Man's origin story, but Skeletor's as well, interlocking the two permanently.
Skeletor's origin story still leaves many questions to be answered. The writers have chosen to use the Keldor tale first popularized in the 1986 series Mattel mini-comic, "The Search for Keldor!," which insinuated that Skeletor was King Randor's long-lost brother. Whether or not they are siblings remains a question mark, but what we do know is that Skeletor was once known as a goatee-sporting villain named Keldor (and goatees are always a sure sign of evil, right?). By the way Randor warns the Elders in the Hall of Wisdom, we understand that Skeletor and his army are fast approaching, threatening and invading every corner of Eternia. It is apparent that Randor and the Defenders (the new title of the Heroic Warriors that shows they are constantly on the defense against Skeletor) are struggling to keep the planet safe. While Mattel has chosen to show how Skeletor got his skullface, they have left the story of how Skeletor became Eternia's chief enemy up to question. This leaves all sorts of room for Hordak, King Hiss, and any number of threads to weave into Skeletor's past. But at this point in his life, Skeletor seems to have asserted his rightful place as Eternia's resident master of destruction and created a loyal band of warriors to fight his cause. When Skeletor and his forces attack the Hall of Wisdom, a clash with Randor leaves Skeletor faceless. When Skeletor tosses a vial of poison at Randor, he deflects it with his shield, and the poison sprays all over Keldor's face. The animators try so hard to make this a "Big, Important Moment" that they use dreadfully sluggish slow motion to It is thrilling to finally see Skeletor clutching his head screaming, "My face! My face!," and it is even more satisfying to know that Randor caused the deformation. If there was not hatred between these two before, there definitely is now. Mattel has worked hard to incorporate Randor more tightly into the He-Man/Skeletor rivalry and give Skeletor real motivation to detest the king of Eternia.
Another longtime hole in Skeletor's story has been how Eternia fought him all those twenty years while waiting for Adam to grow up and assume the powers of Grayskull. There have been many theories as to how this might be explained, but Mike Young Productions has come up with the best one I've heard yet. The Council of Elders banished Skeletor and his gang to Snake Mountain (in the "Dark Hemisphere," perpetuating the idea that Eternia has a dark half and a light half). The Sorceress and Man-At-Arms generated a mystic wall to imprison the villains in their own sub-world. This is the cartoon's first symbolic union of science and magic, as Man-At-Arms thrusts a generator into the ground and the Sorceress ignites it with her magic power. This is the first time in either cartoon series that the Sorceress has really performed a jaw-dropping magic spell. The shots of the mystic wall are breath-taking, and we understand immediately that this Sorceress will be a force to reckon with.
Unfortunately, the Sorceress is a failure. Gone is the maternity and soft-spoken spirituality of a kind-hearted woman in bird costume. She has been replaced by a female Egyptian pharaoh that speaks cold declarations and looks with hard eyes. I always imagined the scene when the Sorceress bestows the sword upon Prince Adam to be a beautiful, loving scene where the Sorceress would gently explain Adam's destiny as he, overwhelmed but fully aware of the moment's importance, dutifully accepted his new role. All hopes for such a moment are dashed by the icy Sorceress and frightfully bratty Prince Adam seen in "The Beginning."
Mattel has decided to make Prince Adam a boy and He-Man a man, which is a decision I very much approve. Michael Halperin, who wrote the original He-Man series bible, wanted Adam to be a teenager given the power to fight like a man, but Filmation nixed the idea in order to make He-Man and Prince Adam the exact same size and build to ease the difficulties of animating them. The new Adam provides endless avenues for personal growth and development. I think the writers chose to make Adam so unlikable in this first episode so that he would have some place to go and room to grow as the series fleshes him out. He certainly has the most potential of any of the characters in a series where the villain is usually the star. Adam's new look is a breath of fresh air, finally freeing him from that gaudy pink vest and giving him a look that crosses somewhere between Robin Hood and a punk rocker. The new story is more a fairy tale about how a child assumes the power to defeat bigger and stronger enemies, following classic myth-making principles.
But while writer Dean Stefan's decision to make Adam bratty now so he can become manly later is probably a smart one, it makes Adam's performance particularly hard to swallow. He jokes, chides, and ridicules the most important moments of his life, making him appear flippant and disrespectful. As soon as he meets the Sorceress, he makes a crack about sending her a birthday invitation (the guardian's silent response is the only moment when her frosty coldness truly works). Adam possesses reverence for almost nothing--his warrior training, his duties as a prince, his destiny as revealed in the legendary Castle Grayskull. Whereas his attitude in the old show was purely an act, this Prince Adam really does behave like this. It will be most interesting to see if, as Adam grows and accepts his challenges over time, he will grow out of his childishness and learn to act foolish only as a disguise for his secret identity. As told in "The Beginning," He-Man is merely a muscular costume for Prince Adam. Our hero is developed only minimally and possesses no life of his own. I always enjoyed in the old show how you could never really separate He-Man from Adam and vice versa--because even though Adam's behavior was all an act, his inner self was completely formed from the principles and strength of He-Man. One could not exist without the other, but there are times when Adam tires of being He-Man ("Into the Abyss") or outright gives him up ("The Problem With Power"). The writers for the new series seem to be going with the idea that Adam is the whole person and He-Man exists as an incidental, alternative form. If the writers are smart, they'll begin blending the two as the heroics of He-Man begin to have a maturing effect on Prince Adam. The new series promises us huge character development stories for Prince Adam, allowing us to fully understand the growing pains of suddenly becoming your planet's crowned champion.
Writer Dean Stefan produces an unexpected twist in the revelation scene at Grayskull when Adam completely walks out of it, mid-ceremony. Man-At-Arms, having known Adam's destiny all along (he and the Sorceress share a lot of secrets, don't they?), takes Adam to Castle Grayskull when he realizes the time has come. Adam hardly takes any of this seriously, which is a real shame. While I understand what the writers are trying to do, Adam's behavior subtracts not only from our love for him but also from the mystique of Castle Grayskull. If a teenage brat will not shut up when he enters Grayskull just from the feeling of being overwhelmed, then, well, he's a real brat. Adam's nonchalant attitude explodes when he declares, "I'm no great warrior. I'm just a kid. Thanks for the magic show," flagrantly refusing the Sorceress' offer. He flies back to the Royal Palace, where Skeletor and his minions have already wrecked havoc. Suddenly realizing that his family is in danger, Adam understands why he was asked to become a hero at this point in time. Some of Adam's behavior can be explained by his sheltered childhood lived in the safety of the Royal Palace. As Adam asks in his first scene, "What forces of evil? . . . They're history." He has never known evil, so how could he not have a carefree attitude about all this? By making Adam leave Grayskull prematurely, the writers force Adam to choose his destiny rather than have it simply bestowed upon him. Seeing the Palace in ruin, watching Man-At-Arms, his protector, jet off to the Evergreen Forest to join the fighting, hearing the words of his distraught mother, Adam has no choice but to return to Castle Grayskull and accept his adulthood. This plot twist allows Adam the power of choice and strengthens his character, even if it eschews the respectful scene I had always imagined in my head.
The problem with Adam's flippant attitude is that it belittles Grayskull in its very first scene, when it should feel the most powerful and grandiose. The director has chosen low angle and surveillance shots to give us a wide perspective on Castle Grayskull, mostly to make Adam feel small and lost in its expansiveness. The newly redesigned Castle Grayskull is another major weak point in Mattel's re-imagining of the old series. Rather than being a castle obscured by a twisting and elaborate Evergreen Forest, the new Grayskull is a vertical tower stuck in the middle of a jungle. It makes more sense now why no one could find Grayskull before, but that does not make for its frighteningly vertical design. Trying to better Filmation's Grayskull was a fruitless task from the beginning, since Castle Grayskull stands as the original He-Man's only true work of art. The huge jaw mouth, the deep, penetrating eye sockets, the animal-like body of the castle, its leg-like bones supporting its weight over the bottomless abyss, the organic green interior--how could the animators of today even begin to top all this? They don't even try. The new Castle Grayskull looks like any other stone castle with a skullface slapped on front. Instead of a dark interior that shifts and seems somehow alive, we are given dusty brick walls and empty corridors. The castle feels lonely more than anything else. The gargoyles peering from the rafters bring echoes of "The Hunchback of Notre Dame" that I'd rather not acknowledge and, again, reduces Grayskull to a castle like any other. The designers give Grayskull no cohesive concept for its interiors. The entrance is a gothic stone corridor, the Sorceress's throne is an Egyptian pyramid, the labyrinth bears Roman coliseums, and the underground chamber is a haphazard mix between She-Ra's Crystal Castle and some vast region of outerspace (although the underground design certainly trumps all the rest of Grayskull). It's as if four different animators with completely different concepts for Grayskull decided they would each control a part of it. In the end, they succeed in making Grayskull into a confusing nothing. This is why the Sorceress's new Egyptian design does not fit in at all. If Grayskull were a pyramid, it would be appropriate, but not inside this castle. The Sorceress, the series's spiritual center, should be beautiful and simple, but the new design weighs her down with ornate designs and a heavy golden headdress. The new Castle Grayskull is this series' ultimate failure, unable to recapture almost any of the aura, suspense, or power of the original. Instead, it is an architectural mishmash.
The only attempt to capture the mystique of old comes when the Sorceress leads He-Man to the underground chamber. Her firefly light leads Adam through Grayskull's corridors, allowing for some of the best lighting and direction in the entire episode. As the Sorceress and Adam descend to the underground chamber, echoes of "Origin of the Sorceress" abound. Since that episode provides our only idea of what it is like to receive the powers of Grayskull, it becomes the benchmark by which this new scene must compare. And, unfortunately, it falls short. The underground chamber is the only Grayskull location that takes our breath away even for a second, as the crystalline expansiveness wows our eyes. The Sorceress sends a ray down into a black abyss, hinting that the abyss may be just as important in providing Grayskull's power as it was in the old series. An ornate chest rises out from the blackness, revealing Adam's sword. I do like that this entire sequence is free of dialogue, as if the Sorceress knew Adam's decision without asking him and he knew what to do without being told. But the scene lacks any pause, any breath, any learning. Adam picks up the sword with little or no hesitance, whips it above his head, and declares, "By the power of Grayskull!," without even the least bit of encouragement. Even Zoar had to have some coaching from Kodak Ungor before she could become the Sorceress again. In a few wild anime camera moves, Adam becomes He-Man in a shock of electric blue light. The transformation happens too rapidly without any of the reverence it deserves. This should have been a quiet, powerful moment as Adam accepts his destiny, but instead it barrels over Adam's "It's heavy" protest to reach the finished product, a sword-wielding muscle man named He-Man that almost seems foreign to the whole event.
He-Man himself appears oddly disconnected and undeveloped in his first outing. Having just been created, he lacks any real personality of his own. The writers have taken great pains to improve our hero from the one of old. He-Man's action sequences are a lot like his old ones (picking up a boulder, deflecting Skeletor's blasts, stopping a fall in mid-air by plunging his sword into the cliffside), but they are a lot harder for him to perform. Lifting a boulder appears to take all his strength, as he carefully cuts the rock with his sword, pulls it up from the ground, and takes his time rising from his knees to hold the boulder completely in the air. A huge problem in the original series was that He-Man appeared to do anything and everything almost effortlessly. When a hero is all-powerful, he becomes boring. The new series has taken great pains to show He-Man is strong, but his feats of strength are not necessarily easy. This allows room for He-Man to be weak, to fall, to make a mistake. Already the writers have cured one of the major ills of the old show. I particularly love it when He-Man catches Randor as they fall into the lava pits and Randor asks, "He-Man, you can fly?" in a stroke of comedic genius. He-Man, of course, can not fly, pointing out one of his weaknesses right from the start. He plunges his sword into the mountainside to stop, but fails, and he has to let go of Randor to make the second attempt work. This is far more dramatic than He-Man quickly and effortlessly saving the day. Unlike the original series, the action sequences of the new one will actually be interesting.
If there is any message the new series is trying to send us, it is this: THE ACTION SCENES WILL BE MUCH, MUCH BETTER. At least a third of "The Beginning" movie is spent on battles, pairing up different character so they can square off and demonstrate their weapons and abilities. Just like "Diamond Ray of Disappearance," Mattel is using this as a toy commercial to demonstrate all the "neat things" each character can do, enticing us to buy. But such commercialism can be excused because the animators go to great lengths to make these tiffs interesting and exciting. One of the major problems of the old series was the "one strike, you're out" formula, which dictated that any time a villain was struck, hit, or kicked, he was automatically defeated and completely out of commission. This is why battles on the old series happen so quickly and quietly: all it takes is one action for a hero to knock out the villain. The new series has much more faith in the resilience of its characters. When Man-E-Faces knocks Mer-Man down, he stands up again and whips out his sword (cleverly using his belt emblem to hide his sword). The villains are not defeated easily and the heroes are not perfect, making the action scenes far more intriguing. The heroes might actually lose against these ferocious enemies.
While I do not have space to talk about every character individually, I would like to write a few quick impressions about each one:
Man-At-Arms - a more quiet force than I first expected, he maintains his fatherly presence with a bit more strategic intelligence. His once useless battle mace can change shape and produce strategy plans, and he seems more like a middle-aged warrior than the aging engineer of old.
Man-E-Faces - one of the most useless characters of the original toyline, Mattel could have ditched him this time around. But instead, they are trying to finally integrate Man-E with the rest of the cast. He still has not found his place, but he is more active than I expected. The question still remains whether his shifting faces actually change his personality and his powers or if they do nothing to him at all.
Ram Man - does not really have much to do here, but maintains the clumsy, dumbfounded personality of old, and his beefier redesign fits his powers perfectly
Mekaneck - this new series works hard to give Mekaneck the purpose he never really attained in the original; the fact that his neck can bend and twist will aid that goal a lot.
Stratos - not much different from the Stratos of old, his main purpose is to be the Defender that can actually fly.
I was actually amazed at how much Mattel did NOT change from the original series. Most of the characters' redesigns are variations on the old ones, and they all possess the same powers and even the same weapons of the originals (and the cartoon has managed to integrate the weapons in ways that Filmation never bothered to).
Teela has a refreshing new anime look, given long ponytail hair and a ferocious, wide-eyed attitude. She does not seem nearly as reserved and harsh as the old Teela; in fact, she comes across as playful, youthful, and freed up. This allows her to have more of a bantering sibling relationship with Prince Adam than the almost parental relationship of old. The new show chooses familiar ground with which to introduce them--the traditional training sequence in the Royal Palace courtyard under the watchful view of Man-At-Arms. Returning to this place assures the audience that nothing has changed at all. Adam and Teela's spirited attacks on each other tell us right from the start that their attraction is more than just the kind of bond childhood friends share. Teela's backflips and snake staff action prove she will certainly have more than her fair share of great action scenes in the new series.
Orko remains surprisingly unchanged from the original series. His more wizardly outfit works well, but his high-pitched squealing and Freudian slips prove he will be comedic relief all over again. That will probably be okay, since the writers must know Orko was overused in the original show. The writers have done an excellent job of solving yet another mystery from the original series: how Orko found out Adam's secret (or why Adam would tell him it at all). Orko and Cringer follow Adam to Grayskull and witness his transformation, becoming the only two other than the Sorceress and Man-At-Arms to know the secret. I like that Cringer and Battle Cat are unable to speak in the new series. It allows Cringer to be frightened constantly without the whiny voice (he looks more like a real cat too). Battle Cat's new design is disappointing, however. The animators have scaled back his armor, but his head is way too small for his body. Orko, Cringer, and Battle Cat always bear the burden of being the funny sidekicks, and the jury is still out on exactly how they will function in this new series.
King Randor and Queen Marlena are remarkably muted in their twenty-first century redesigns. The gruffness of Randor's original voice is missing, and he almost sounds like he could be He-Man's age. The animators have chosen to dress Randor and Marlena in the same brown and orange colors, but this has a dulling effect. Whereas the original Queen Marlena, in her striking and simple green gown, provided a commanding presence even when she did not speak, the new Marlena seems quiet and unaware. She's a token mother figure without any of the intelligence and power of the original. I can hardly imagine this Queen Marlena being a headstrong astronaut from the planet Earth.
But while Mattel and Mike Young Productions have done a credible job with the heroes, their energies have obviously been better spent on the villains. Maintaining the looks and color schemes for the Evil Warriors, the animators have wisely sharpened the appearances and powers of Skeletor's ratpack. Here's my rundown:
Mer-Man - the Best Entrance award goes to Mer-Man, who pops out of a swampy pool in foreboding, grand style. The animators have taken away the bumbling oafishness of the original and made Mer-Man's fishy origins an asset. His razor-sharp teeth, piercing eyes, and throaty voice make him dangerous and full of malice. His scene with the giant floating blowfish goes on way too long, however, and having Man-At-Arms trapped in its belly is a little too "Jonah and the Whale" for my tastes.
Beast Man - the quintessential first henchman, Beast Man fails to return to his darker roots from the first episodes of the original series. Instead, the writers have opted to go with the bumbling, clueless Beast Man that became the norm. His chief allies appear to be the Griffins, which allow him to swoop in and rescue Skeletor whenever necessary. The scene where the two ride Griffins and the wind flies against them is one of the strongest sensory moments in the episode and proves that Beast Man is Skeletor's right hand man.
Trap Jaw - thankfully, Trap Jaw's foolishness has been reduced and his powers emphasized. His huge robotic arm supports almost any weapon, and he actually seems threatening now.
Clawful - the loneliest of Skeletor's first season band, Clawful was a villain who always had great potential with his echoing voice and devilish eyes. The new series kills that potential by giving him the idiot voice and brain that Trap Jaw abated. But, like all the other villains, his terrific redesign and blazing powers reveal a triumph of brawn over brain.
Whiplash - how did Whiplash get so big? He's huge now, and the better for it. His tail cracks down on Teela, and if that doesn't frighten a person, Whiplash sitting on you will.
Tri-Klops - the "odd man out" of Skeletor's original five cohorts (Beast Man, Trap Jaw, Evil-Lyn, Mer-Man, and Tri-Klops), Tri-Klops returns in this series with newfound purpose. His cyclops eye can shoot fire now (among other things, I'm sure), and his Doom Seeker robots attack when we least expect them to. The Doom Seeker have not been fully explained, but they add purpose to Tri-Klops. Expect a lot more from him in the future.
Of course the most improved villain is Evil-Lyn, who reaches her full potential in this new series. While the new design is a little too sticks-and-bones for me, the attitude and the power are all there. Whereas it was sometimes unclear her role in the original series, Evil-Lyn is undoubtedly second-in-command now. She stands alongside Keldor in his first scene, and takes over for Skeletor when he escapes with Randor. And just as Skeletor receives a tilting shot over his body upon entrance, so too does Evil-Lyn warrant a similar shot later on, proving that she is just as threatening. Her staff-length crystal ball is an improvement and her glowing purple eyes are a welcome addition to her sorceress ensemble. Whereas Evil-Lyn always seemed like Teela's evil counterpart in the original series, this Evil-Lyn positions herself far beyond Teela's level. As a longtime Evil-Lyn fan, it is a thrill to see her finally kicking butt. After Tri-Klops, Trap Jaw, and Beast Man each try to break the mystic wall, Evil-Lyn steps forward and declares, "Step aside, boys," and fires her magical best. While her attempt fails (allowing Skeletor to assume his rightful role as destroyer of the mystic wall), the sequence proves the hierarchy of the Evil Warriors and Evil-Lyn's place atop it. Perhaps no moment among the action scenes is more powerful than when Evil-Lyn sends a cosmic blast across the Evergreen Forest and turns it into a barren wasteland, turning the tables and making the Evil Warriors the team to beat. Never would the original He-Man series have produced a moment where it seemed so much like the villains would actually win. Skeletor's army is, on a hand to hand ratio, more powerful than He-Man's Defenders, allowing them to become the longtime threat legend has made them out to be. Now we understand why Eternia needs He-Man: these enemies are too strong for anyone but him.
Evil-Lyn's rise to power could not come without a hint of mutiny. Writer Dean Stefan chooses to end the episode with a tacked-on scene where Evil-Lyn questions Skeletor's authority. "Perhaps you think you could run things better than I," Skeletor coldly says to Evil-Lyn, eliciting the conciliatory reaction he wanted from her. The scene is rather useless in "The Beginning," but it does promise plenty of classic tension between these two power-starved villains. Evil-Lyn will be her own force in this new series.
But just like "Diamond Ray of Disappearance," the true star of this premiere episode is Skeletor. Retaining the wit of the original, this Skeletor is far more powerful and threatening than ever before. His voice leaves much to be designed, but Mattel has successfully re-imagined him as a warrior. The new Skeletor is far more physical, allowing him to fight He-Man almost equally. His flips and jumps into the air, his amazing sword slashing, and his dynamic mid-air moves all reveal the potent influence of anime on the new Masters of the Universe. Skeletor can do almost anything, and that makes him a stronger villain. Thankfully, the animators have brought back the Havoc Staff and added a royal cape, giving Skeletor a captive elegance and form he did not quite possess before. The director has overused the red eyes glowing, which are supposed to signal the moments when Skeletor gets most angry. The red eyes were used throughout original He-Man memorabilia, but Filmation chose to resist it. It was inevitable that the new cartoon would employ the red eyes, but the animators should be frugal with their usage. On the other hand, director Gary Hartle chooses brilliantly to obscure Skeletor's skullface until he finally reveals it to King Randor, the man he blames for his deformation. As Randor wisely responds, "You did it to yourself," cleverly pointing out that Skeletor's evil will poison himself and ultimately bring his downfall. Obscuring Skeletor's face, shrouding him in darkness, and granting him legendary fighting skills and magic powers have bolstered Skeletor to the level he was always meant to achieve--a serious, powerful supervillain almost incapable of defeat. Skeletor still delivers terrible dialogue about threatening He-Man and ruling Eternia, and he still surrounds himself with blundering idiots (he gets annoyed with Beast Man), but he's a much stronger villain than the one Alan Oppenheimer voiced (even if Oppenheimer's Skeletor laugh was much better). As always, Skeletor remains the star of He-Man's show.
Mattel and Mike Young Productions have done an amazing job of streamlining and retelling the often incongruous He-Man mythology. The Hall of Wisdom, which never appeared in the original series, finally establishes the Council of Elders as the center of wisdom and power in Eternia. When Keldor attacks the hall, the Elders vanish and declare Captain Randor king of Eternia (finally proving that Randor rules over all, not just part, of the planet, but vanquishing the King Miro mythology of the old series). The Elders' disappearance marks a powerful shift for all of Eternia. Randor, standing alone in the now empty hall, hears only the voice of the Sorceress in falcon form. She declares, "Peace will come only for a time. A hero shall emerge to protect Eternia." Director Gary Hartle takes care to obscure the Sorceress until Adam meets her, cleverly hiding her in shadowed shots of her wings. The Sorceress explains to Adam that the Elders joined their powers and gave their energy to the Sorceress to protect. While this would seem to answer the question "What is the secret of Grayskull?," it does not quite make sense. If the ultimate power of Grayskull is the the power and knowledge of the Elders, then what did Grayskull exist before they stored their power in it? Why was the Sorceress living there? When Skeletor grills King Randor for information, he asks, "Now that the Council of Elders is no more, who controls the power of Eternia now?" What is this power of Eternia? Does it allow one to control Eternia, or the entire universe? Is is simply the knowledge and power of the original Elders? And why did Grayskull exist before it became the storage place for that power? Since Skeletor is still looking for the Elders, he does not even realize that Grayskull exists, adding an interesting new twist to the mythology. Skeletor will not attack Grayskull until he learns that the Elders' power is stored with in it. I am hoping that Grayskull houses more than just the Elders' magic. The original Grayskull kept its secret mysterious, but always offered the power to control the universe. This new series does not quite say if Grayskull offers this kind of power anymore or if the "power" is just the concentrated wisdom of Eternia's oldest Elders.
Furthermore, is the Hall of Wisdom still standing? With all the energy put into creating the Hall of Wisdom at the beginning of this movie, we would expect its presence to continue. I wish the animators had put as much effort into Grayskull as they did the hall. The opening shots and music in "The Beginning" are unrivaled by the rest of the story. On the whole, the music is banal and disinterested, providing more coverage than truly adding excitement. Places where the music should have provided the most emotion (such as Adam receiving the Power Sword) is where it remains the most unmemorable. The direction is vastly improved, showing what twenty years can do to children's animation. The moving camera shots, low angles, and blazing action cuts show the new influence of anime and modern cinema on animation. Director Gary Hartle has done a supreme job of making the once stagnant He-Man characters practically jump off screen.
The new He-Man series brings almost hundreds of welcome improvements upon the original, including better action scenes, better continuity, and darker villains, but it fails miserably when it comes to voices. King Randor and Mekaneck and Man-At-Arms all sound like the same person. Skeletor's voice is hollow and posses none of the resonant vocals of Alan Oppenheimer. He-Man's voice sounds the way a boring muscle-man's should, lacking any of the maturity and moral depth of John Erwin's performance. Even Evil-Lyn, who has the best voice of all the new characters, sounds grainy and desperate when listened against the golden confidence of Linda Gary's witch. All the characters look fantastic, but when they open their mouths, I want to cry.
Still, my complaints are largely nitpicky. Mattel and Mike Young Productions have overcome the major hurdles by firming up the mythology, finally telling the origin story of He-Man, and re-envisioning the entire cast of characters without taking away the appearances, powers, and personalities that first made us love them. I am impressed by how much has not changed, and most of the changes are welcome improvements upon the original series. Executive producer Bill Schultz has succeeded in guiding this new series to its rightful place. On the whole, "The Beginning" is off to a great start.
It is important to note that the plural of virus is VIRUSES, not "virii".
Learn why there's no such thing as "virii" here:
http://www.perl.com/language/misc/virus.html
Let's have a look at that CTV report:
The resulting solution is so energy rich, it dissolves all microbes it comes in contact with, in water, on objects and on human skin. It also happens to be odorless, colorless, and completely safe for human consumption.
It dissolves microbes, but is safe for human consumption? Is anyone else not convinced?
Researchers said the technique used to control bacteria, viruses, cysts and germs is 200 to 300 times more efficient than any other purification alternative.
200 to 300 times more efficient, how, exactly? And what does it do to help cysts?
(and, er, what's the difference between a virus and a germ?)
The process is cheap. It costs just fractions of a penny to purify a litre of water. Researchers have even been able to take spoiled milk and, by passing it through the Emerald, make it fresh once again. Sounds like science fiction, doesn't it?
Yep... it does. Sorry.
is it CowboyNeal safe?
Creationists are a lot like zombies. Slow, but powerful and numerous. And they all want to eat our brains.
The human body is made of millions of bacteria. Especially the digestive system.
I'd be interested in knowing how this solution can target only bacteria deemed 'harmful', and not wipe out my damn large intestine in the process.
~D:
Here's a report summary I found on the technology from the Foundation for Water Research. It's not all that and a bag of chips.
http://www.fwr.org/wrcsa/832100.htm
Sugar can also be used to kill bacteria, the sugar creates an osmosis effect to explode the bacteria. Place sugar on wound.
just putting salt into solution ionizes it. if you apply electricity you will hydrolyze the water and split it into hydrogen and oxygen gas. put the crackpipe down.
-- john
I put up a mirror of the hard to reach page. Yes, I see the google cache link, but don't you want to see the pretty pictures? :)
Mirror is here
No rocket science here, don't understand why something as simple as the electrolysis of brine makes in on Slashdot ...
...
... as expected, Cl- -> Cl2 ... but the trick
here is that the formed chlorine reacts with water
and even better with the NaOH that diffuses from
the cathode to form ... bleach (hypochlorite that is) ! ... "The anolyte has powerful bactericidal characteristics and is effective in the control of harmful organisms like bacteria, viruses, cysts, and germs."
:-)
Freshman chemistry tells you:
NaCl -> Na+ + Cl-
H2O -> H+ + HO- (actually H3O+ instead of H+ but that's details)
Then, you add some electricity and you get:
At cathode (- electrode), H+ -> H2 (bubbles out) which means a lot of Na+ and HO- are left floating around - thus, per Google cached article in the original post: "The catholyte is a powerful alkaline solution used for [...]" -- not surprising at all, as you can see
Then, at anode (+ electrode) you've got HO- and Cl-
Cl2 + NaOH -> NaCl + NaClO
Now what does the article say?
Damn that highschool chem
END-OF-CHEM-LESSON
This is an experiment I did in elementary school.
It's called electrolysis. You separate salt water into
Use enough voltage, and maybe you bump oxygen to ozone, a superoxidizer (see above).
None of this takes any kind of chemist to see.
Note also that these chemicals are extremely hazardous in their uncombined forms. Remember Apollo 1 and its pure oxygen atmosphere at full sea-level pressure? Skin catches fire almost explosively in that sort of atmosphere - it's truly horrible what pure oxygen can do. Combine hydrogen and oxygen in the right proportions and they will explode. Sodium is poison and explosive when combined with water. Chlorine is poision.
Some of the more recent explorations into silver as a disinfectant with good tolerance in the body might be more profitable to follow, but also have snake-oil potential because too few people recognize that as another century-old technology that has a mass-market application in swimming pools today.
Were I you guys, I'd kill the story.
Bruce
Bruce Perens.
We have major problems in the medical world, because anti-biotics have been regularly prescribed for common colds since antibiotics have existed. As a result, strains of the flu, and other similar sicknesses are becoming highly resistant to antibiotics. I just hope that if we see the introduction of something like this, that it doesn't lead to the same thing. Perfectly clean drinking water is one thing, but perfectly clean water that kills bacteria? Thats another thing...
No karma whoring for me now
Water + Salt + Energy = Hydrogen + Chlorine + Sodium Hydroxide (lye)
I saw this on CNN yesterday. I didn't understand how it works from this explanation, but here is the transcript page for NEXT@CNN. (Click August 31)
Yes, it's a blog. Sorry if that offends you.
cold fussion anyone?
This was already on the news this week. It's being touted as a non-toxic way to clean a building of anthrax and reoccupy the building within hours.
"Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart, he dreams himself your master."
Typical /. moron
It sounds like what they are doing is applying electricity to a solution containing a dissolved salt to create two "products". Around the anode, an "anolyte" is created that has antibacterial properties (though the article claims antiviral, anticyst(?), antigerm properties, as well). At the cathode, a "catholyte" is created that can be used "for treating industrial effluent like the ones from Electro-plating, photographic, and/or textile plants. Catholyte has powerful properties for flocculation, coagulation, bionutrient transfer, cleaning purposes, and neutralizing the toxicity of heavy metals."
...anactofgod...
Of course, all of this would be apparent to anyone who actually reads the supporting material. *GRYNN*
---anactofgod---
"Equal opportunity swindling - *that* is the true test of a sustainable democracy."
...how many talented former Soviet Union scientists are wasting away in no name research labs in Russia and former republics. With no funding, no equipment and no corporate or government backing I am sure that countless great ideas are being discarded as we speak. It's too bad that while many companies are expanding into third world countries and building facilities and recruiting people there, a country with a huge established base of high class engineers, scientists and researchers is being forgotten about. I'm sure that any company that knows its business well would be able to recruit hordes of very competent scientists with wordclass education and knowledge for very little money and be lauded as a local hero and savior by the people in Russia.
Why not make this into a Beowulf cluster?
I'm not sure how everyone can be calling this a water purifier. I'm not saying I know what this thing is, or what it can and can't do, but a water purifier won't do any of what the article describes the machine doing. If I take de-ionized water and sprinkle it all over an anthrax laden envelope, it does nothing. Somehow, this salt water mixture is supposed to "scrub" all the baddies and microbes away, leaving the envelope safe for mucking. According to the article, this doesn't purify the water, it turns it into a purifying agent itself.
Water purifiers don't really do anything for large scale sterilization like this device claims to. And if it is just a water purifier, it'd do no more for 3rd world countries and military soldiers than iodine tablets.
This is where I get my recommended daily allowance of "Foot in Mouth."
A virus is basically a self replicating (with a hosts help) package of RNA.
A germ (or bacteria) is a single celled organism.
Here's the problem as I see it. "spoiled" milk is not JUST caused by bacterial action. It's also a chemical conversion of lactose and lipids. Unless this stuff is some Uber-Converter that can reverse time, this story is full of crap. Now, it COULD have enough energy to 'dissolve' the biological matter present in it. Hell, if I put a huge current though an ionic solution, I can almost guarantee everything in it is going to be toast too.
That's not remarkable, that's bad swimming pool pump maintenace.
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The less informed citizenry tend to reject beneficial technologies that don't sound nice. That's a big reason that there aren't many foods that have been "irradiated" (a harmless process that kills food-borne bacteria).
"Electro-Chemical Activation" sounds a bit harsh. Allow me to suggest "Fuzzy Wuv-Bear's Magic No-Germy Stuff".
I should have added (by way of further explanation) that the anode (the positive terminal) would attract the negative ions of a dissolved salt (the Cl- ions of NaCl), while the cathode (or the negative terminal) would attract the positve ions (the Na+).
...anactofgod...
If you pump the water around the anode out, you will have H20 with Cl- ions floating freely in it, in a highly reactive state, ready to bind to any available positive ion. Likewise, pumping the catholyte out would have H20 with Na+ free floating in a highly reactive state,ready to bind to any negative ion.
It seems like the biggest problem would be storing the end products, but it sounds like the anolyte and the catholyte could be produced fairly cheaply and easily as needed, in a small unit.
Seems to be pretty reasonable to me, but I haven't studied chem for 16 years.
---anactofgod---
"Equal opportunity swindling - *that* is the true test of a sustainable democracy."
You electroplate stuff onto the electrodes, and even if they are "Royal" metals(platinum, gold, etc..), metals will still plate out on the electrodes.(in India, they have highly saturated Arsenic in the wells drilled, so this might not be so bad after all) ;)
But I suspect not for a while. Besides, who wants all the calcium ya can drink
I would imagine you have to have a continual flow, or else the solutions will mix, maybe 1 gal/min?
But if it sterilizes water borne diseases, it would be a Godsend to thirdworld nations...
This mind intentionally left blank.
The KKK a bunch of sheetheads? You decide!
Ok, when you dump salt (NaCl) into water, it instantly dissolves into the respective ions, Na+ and Cl-. Cl- ions are not what are used for sterilizing swimming pools; Sodium hypochlorite is used for this, that splits into Na+ and a Hypochlorite- ion. Hypochlorite is very aggressive & will reduce (give an electron to) practically anything.
What makes me suspicious of the Emerald device is the following line:
"The catholyte is a powerful alkaline solution used for treating industrial effluent like the ones from Electro-plating, photographic, and/or textile plants. Catholyte has powerful properties for flocculation, coagulation, bionutrient transfer, cleaning purposes, and neutralizing the toxicity of heavy metals."
Ok, if the catholyte is a powerful alkaline solution, it then follows that the anolyte is a powerful acid solution. Can't make one without the other. And powerful acid solutions aren't exactly benign.
you get Frost Pist (note for those that aren't frequenty spelunkers into the zoo known as Threshold: -1, that's one of the misspellings the FPcretins use(d) to get around the first post bouncer)
The water breaks down the sodium and chlorine ions itself, the eletricity just pulls them apart, giving you chlorine gas (I think).
I don't see how it would be safe for humans, but whatever.
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
An energy rich solution still has a quantized ammount of energy at any time.
The reaction isn't, as some have said:
NaCl + 2H20 + electricity -> Na + Cl + 2H2 + O2
Rather, you get a hypochlorous acid ion, an a sodium hydroxide ion. In effect, the reverse of mixing hypochlorous acid and lye.
However, you get it in VERY dilute quantities, nowhere near what you'd need to damage human skin. But if you are an itty bitty microbe, the oxidizing effect is deadly.
Really, this is just a "bleach on demand" sort of thing.
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Keep in mind that no more energy is going to be released by this thing then put into it, so the byproducts won't be all that bad.
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
When you have a cold you're immune system is weaker, and antibiotics can help prevent extra infections, and kill off any opportunistic ones that happen to show up.
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
No doubt the electric field applied causes small bubbles to form within the solution, and then rapidly collapse. This collapse leads to extroardinarily high temperatures and pressures, which in turn cause nuclear fusion to take place. Stray gammas generated by this fusion result in the destruction of nearby pathogens.
Seriously, this technique sounds like a load of crap, for the most part. I can buy the electrochemical action bit, sort of. Pure molten NaCl (salt, hereafter) will electrolyze to form sodium and chlorine gas, sure enough. With a little creative engineering, it is possible to separate these to products and collect them for later use. Indeed, this is exactly what is done for commercial production of these two elements.
On contact with water, pure Na will form a solution of (aggressively basic) sodium hydroxide plus some hydrogen gas. (This, I assume, is the catholyte we hear about.) Chlorine in water forms an acidic solution which is, to be fair, definitely germicidal.
I see two problems. The first is technical. In a water solution, the electrolytic yields of sodium and chlorine are typically both very low, because oxygen and hydrogen gas are preferentially formed first. (There are sound thermodynamic reasons for this.) Maybe these experimenters have gotten around this somehow, perhaps using exotic catalysts or something.
The second problem is a bit more difficult. If the two component solutions (sodium + water and chlorine + water) are kept separate, individually they would be quite toxic. Brought together, there is a very quick reaction that brings us right back to salt and water--not a particularly powerful disinfectant, and what we started with before we had a mystical black box.
I can think of some other more creative possibilities, as well. Perhaps they're talking about generating some sort of activated state oxygen to do the dirty work (the salt just makes the water conductive)--in which case, they're definitely frauds. There just aren't any activated oxygen states that are stable long enough (in water) to get to the surface to be disinfected. Atomic oxygen might do it, but that's already been invented--and I'm pretty sure it won't last very long in solution either.
Finally, from the article, we have the quote:
f a letter is suspected of containing anthrax spores, it could be passed through a dry mist made from the Emerald solution and the letter would be sterilized.
The letter wouldn't even get wet. Anyone exposed to the spores could bathe in the solution and be germ free.
Erm. Dry mist. Sure. What's in this dry mist, exactly? Chlorine? Nope--it's way toxic. Sodium? Nope--it's a metal. Hydrogen? Um. Yeah. Oxygen--maybe, but atomic oxygen generators already exist (they're used for restoring artwork and whitening teeth). Singlet oxygen will kill things, but it only lasts a few nanoseconds in water.
So, to conclude this lengthy post--I call bullshit!
~Idarubicin
Oh the pain! The people complaining about the state of science education in the US are RIGHT!!
Electrolysis of salt solution produces a solution of sodium hypochlorite, similar to Clorox bleach. Nothing wrong with that, this is a GREAT disinfectant. But new technology? I DON'T THINK SO. We have been chlorinating water supplies since 1908 or so.
Some technological historians believe that the addition of chlorine to drinking water is the primary reason for increased life expectancies in the 20th century, and claim that this one innovation has done more to prevent disease than the rest of modern medicine combined.
Here are the reactions:
anode: 2Cl- = Cl2(aq) + 2e-
cathode: 2e- + 2Na+ + 2H20 = H2(g) + 2NaOH
2NaOH + Cl2 = 2NaOCl + 2H+
To stabilize the NaOCl it is best to add a bit extra NaOH. (See LeChatlier).
You can use the H2 to power your laptop. (See fuel cells.)
the chemistry behind this is basic and proven. There are numerous saftey issues inherent in the process and there is not enough doc on the site to see if this is a new and valid application of the process or a 'snake-oil' sales oppurtunity.
errr....umm...*whooosh* *whoosh* Is this thing on ?
Ok, for those of you who might make the mistake of listening to this guy, pay close attention: english is a living language. If enough people think that the correct plural spelling of virus would be potatoe, then potatoe it is! I think if I wrote viruses, more people would try to correct me than if I wrote viri (virii looks wrong to me), and if my goal is not to have a debate about spelling, I'm going to go for the one that looks right to more people. Same goes for octopi, ain't and eventually, yes, even hax0r will be a valid word in the american dialect of english (and in many other dialects and languages for that matter).
Actually that last one intrigues me a great deal. Words like hax0r, 1337, d00d and other techno-slang are catching on like wildfire. Currently they are only used in limited sub-cultures but certainly some of these words have such a strong and unique connotation that they will leak into common usage. This is a radical shift for english as it adds new characters into to language for the first time in a very long time (mostly characters have just been removed).
NaOH, which would remain in solution, unless the water was entirely consumed, in which case it would be a white powder.
And no, it wouldn't be safe for humans, any of the byproduts of the reaction. H2, generally benign. Cl2,toxic. NaOH, not exactly toxic, but caustic and likely to cause chemical burns.
Salt water is essentially hydrochloric acid (stomach acid) and sodium hydroxide (lye); it's just that, when combined, they basically exactly cancel each other out.
If you electrify the salt water, they separate. If you turn off the power, they recombine. Anything that was near one side or the other will be pretty effectively fried. Of course, you're not going to entirely separate them, so there's a middle section where it's still just salt water. This device does some fluid mechanics and such to pass anything that is in the incoming water through both regions before the water (now recombined) comes out of the device. It's actually a bit of tricky engineering to make sure that absolutely nothing can get through without going through both regions, which is what this is all about.
The electrolysis experiment is trivial. The trick is being thorough when you've got water flowing through.
I stopped bathing exactly for that reason...
Washing yourself is for women, anyways. Especially washing your hands.
From the article:
:)
For the military, the Emerald means soldiers in the field could easily sterilize drinking water.
Typical russians, they find invent a machine with healing purposes, that can cure lots of things, then manage to think of a way to use it against other countries
Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try. -- Homer J. Simpson
kill this story, please. It's crap. Nothing of value there, scientifically.
It's all about the SCARY DILDOS, guys!
I know how it is. I know how you feel: Every night, after a long day of work, you come home and the wife says "Jesus, Shithead, your cock's an inch long. Why don't you go out and get me a SCARY DILDO, so we can fuck like human beings for a change?"
Then you get the crowd thing -- all those piggish eyes, all those pointy little noses, all those GLEAMING TEETH... and they're all staring at you, are they not? ARE THEY NOT? You know it as well as I do: It's your blood they're after. Your weak, watery, pinkish blood. One of these days you'll get on a subway car and the doors will close, and then... then... THEN they'll all CLOSE IN ON YOU, in response to some PRE-ARRANGED SIGNAL that you can neither DETECT nor COMPREHEND. They carry KNIVES, little man, LONG GLEAMING TERRIBLE STEELY KNIVES, and if you're not on the bounce, they'll rip out your glands and have your lungs on the floor before you know what fucking hit you, DO YOU REALIZE THAT?
Goddamn right.
But if you've got just A LITTLE BIT of foresight, just that ONE LITTLE SPECK OF SENSE God promised to a fucking wolverine, you'll be prepared. You'll walk into that subway car with A SCARY DILDO in your hand, and no harm will befall you. You'll be safe as houses. When the signal comes, they'll all leap from their seats with blood in their hearts, but those feral growls will die in their twisted animal throats, won't they? Yes they will, that's right, they sure will -- because you'll have THAT BIG OLD SCARY OLD DILDO in your hand, and they'll slink away with their whiplike repulsive hairless tails between their shaky little legs.
Scary dildos. In today's fast-paced world, you just can't live without one.
Crack that whip
Give the past the slip
Step on a crack
Break your momma's back
When a problem comes along, You must whip it
Before the cream sits out too long, You must whip it
When something's going wrong. You must whip it
now whip it
into shape
shape it up
get straight
go forward
move ahead
try to detect it
it's not too late
to whip it
whip it good
When a good time turns around, You must whip it
You will never live it down, Unless you whip it
No one gets their way, Until they whip it
I say whip it
Whip it good
yeah? so what.. you can take water+whatever+energy
and get distilled water. The thing is it takes a
lot of energy, and so does this (even if you try to
gain energy by burning the hydrogen and oxygen... even if you run
it through a fuel cell.. first law of thermodynamics) and
I'd drink distilled water a lot sooner than I'd drink post-electrolosys saltwater
The Instutute claims to convert salt water into the super-antibacteria. However, I have doubts for the reason that so far as I know, nobody outside this place has seen the super-antistuff work. Plus, I really dont like drinking salt water, and is it really human-consumable? Also, I wonder if it is rendered useless by digestion or if it could reach the blood? If so, this could be the miracle medicine!
Stop looking towards new stuff. The old ways work best. Old things like penecillin. Technology is dead and will never come back. We are as we are. OP.
The Googlecache (yes, I made it into one word; Googling is now a word and we can only expand our Googlese) showed me a reasonably good explanation of the process.
From reading the ~100 comments here so far, Slashdotters seem to be missing out on the economics of the issue. It is obviously trying to promote an on-tap process for germicidal, industrial and water-purifying needs. It is probably easier and cheaper to handle salt as an input material than the bulkier, manufactured bleach and Sodium Hydroxide fluids.
One fluid has Cl (becoming Cl2, etc.) in it, and that ought to be germicidal. The other has NaOH, and that has industrial use. Obviously, these two fluids can be recombined later to produce salty water and a whole bunch of dead microorganisms. You'd better use recondensation to filter all that crap out. With some concern for lost Cl2, there will probably also be excess Sodium, making recondensation even more necessary. Having said all that, why not just use recondensation in the first place to produce water for Human consumption? Scratch my claim of water purification.
There are 2 problems with all of this proposal:
1. It can hardly be protected as a trade secret or even a patent since the process is so obvious, and the details should be easy enough to work out in a research lab. A guy in a garage with disposable income can work this stuff out.
2. The concentration of the output fluids is iffy. You'd have to get ahold of one of their Flow-through Electrolytic Module (FEMs) and see what it can actually produce. As usual, it probably depends heavily on seals, the quality of the permeable membrane, the quality of the anode and cathode, and finally the amount of current.
[also misbehaves on Kuro5hin as Peahippo]
So, aside from oxidising bacteria, this thing can also undo the side effects caused by them? Gee, i always thought if you disinfected spoiled milk, you get cheese, or somehing close
If you can't see the value in jet powered ants you should turn in your nerd card. - Dunbal (464142)
Hello people, sodium hypochlorite (bleach) is made by electrolizing a salt solution. Sodium hypochlorite is one of the most potent biocides known. But you wont attract venture capital with a new process to make it!
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1. Water
2. Salt
3. Energy
4. ??????
5. Profit!!!!
If Water + Salt + Energy = Clean, then Energy = Clean - Water - Salt.
Step 1: Find something clean.
Step 2: Remove the water from it.
Step 3: Remove the salt from it.
Step 4: ???
Step 5: Profit from FREE ENERGY!
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Monsanto is possibly one of the most evil companies on the planet, responsible for Agent Orange, Aspatame, Saccarine, and the genetically modified tomato. And worse, they invented one of the most horrific ideas in the food industry ever: Roundup.
Monsanto developed a powerful defoliating agent, then identified a rare plant that had natural immunity. They got the gene from the plant, and tried to hack it into normal crop plants, potatoes, corn, rice, etc.
What you end up is not the healthy crop plant - it's a plant that looks similar, but that actually has a different biochemisty. The modified crop plant is immune to the defoliating agent. This means that farmers can spray the defoliating agent on their "crop", and it will kill all the weeds, all the grass, everything. The only flora that will survive will be the "Roundup Ready" modified crop.
Oh, and the crop is sterilized with radiation at the monsanto factory, so it cannot be used as seed crop. This guarantees a repeat purchase. It also means that your crop will cross-polinate with your organic neighbors crop, sterilizing it and forcing him to buy modified seed from Monsanto, or else spreading the mutant gene.
This is an utterly unnecessary "innovation". In the West we have food surplusses, heavily subsidised by the Govt, the profits of this subsidised business then flows straight to Monstanto. When this is sold to developing 3rd world nations it's under a "Your first try of crack is free" marketing model.
When people talk about Genetically Modified or GM crops, this is usually the culprit: Roundup.
Now you know... it's a normal crop plant hacked to include a gene that makes it immune to a defoliating agent. Of course, you might not be.
Search on Google for Monsanto and Evil... here's a taster:
http://www.evilsite.org/evil/Monsanto/
In related news, Ernie and Bert reported today that kids who scrub with soap and water can clean off 99% of dirt AND grime.
The Cookie Monster suggested that this wasn't exactly news, but Ernie and Bert were kinda desperate for content and figured, "Kids aren't very smart anyway, so what the hell?"
Ce n'est pas un vrai mouvement de robot!
"Virii" isn't not a Latin plural of any known word. The most plausible latin nominative plural would be "viri", but some people don't buy that.
Unfortunately, some of the things Bruce has stated are not entirely accurate. The general facts are correct. but some bits need modification.
Hydrogen is reactive. It's only 'highly' reactive if you haven't played with really reactive stuff, like fluorine, chlorine and, er, oxygen. Potasium is fun too.. (I have only seen Cesium once. That's quite enough).
Skin only catches fire if you get it very hot. An uncontrolled fire in a pure oxygen atmosphere is more likely to vaporize the skin; then the fat underneath will start to burn. Pure oxygen at reasonable (3atm) pressure will not cause spontaneous combustion of people. But if a fire starts in that environment, then you won't be able to put it out. The fire in Apollo 1 was not spontaneous. It was started by an electrical fault. The three astronauts suffocated in flame. Not nice.
You can happily mix hydrogen and oxygen in a 2:1 ratio. You can pressurize the mixture to astonishing levels. If there's a lot less oxygen, you can breathe the mixture for days at a time (google for "deep hydrogen diving"). If you make a spark, then you'll understand just how reactive oxygen is. The lesson learnt will be very short, and terminally instructive.
But hydrogen and oxygen are not hypergolic. Ask a rocket scientist. Even the Space Shuttle needs a match to get it going.
Sodium is a disinfectant. In the same way that a raging forest fire is disinfectant. Kids! treating your grazed knees with sodium metal may sting! Also, your parent's lawyers will have to contend with a stupidity counter-claim.
Oxidizing agents and reducing agents are defined by their ability to grab or release electrons.
If you want to understand this stuff, find somebody who knows what "Gibb's free energy" is about. Then, get them to explain it to me...
USA, GA, Sunday.
The liquor stores are closed. Ahhhhhhhh.
Noooooooo. Noooooooooo.
When will there be a safe and easy way to convert that pure water produced by microorganisms into alcohol. Damn. I think jesus process would be a nice name. So, without much ado, russian scientists, rebyata pozhaluysta, make some little guys from my old food leftoever convert water into acohol. Me is waiting.
Even if the linked article proves to be true, we will never see widespread adoption of this low-cost treatment. Why? Because it directly threatens the large profit margins enjoyed by pharmaceutical companies the world over. Take silver, for instance. A well-known anti-microbial, it is cheap to process (effective colloidal solutions require only a few ppm of Ag), and has a devastating effect on many harmful microbes. So why aren't we all brewing up our own silver colloid and treating so-called "mycin-resistant" microbes? Because to do so would dig deeply in the billions of dollars pocketed by the big pharmaceuticals every year. Since the pharmaceuticals pretty much hold the pursestrings for the AMA, you won't see the AMA throwing in their support either.
Proven medical treatments, such as silver, acupuncture, homeopathy, etc. (proven not by a few piddly years of research, but in most cases many decades or centuries of use) will never be embraced by the mainstream medical establishment as long as the pharmaceutical companies are allowed to dictate medical policy and control the way we are permitted to keep ourselves healthy.
...of watching 1000 sysadmins, all pathetically trying to remember basic high school chemistry. Get back to your terminals, geek boys. - TT
That I banish you from Linuxville. I know, I know, you will just move to San Fransisco, which is almost as gay.
2/3 of the planet is water yet within a few decades, there is going to be a serious water shortage.
Shouldn't our geniuses finally get around
to finding a way to make ocean water drinkable?
I've always found that dying of dehydration while
floating in the ocean for days after a shipwreck to be the ultimate irony.
A free (pretty much) solution which up to now
had to had be bought from pharmaceutical industry?
I expected an armed raid by law enforcement
agencies to shut down any practitioners.
Similar to that experienced by Oxygen therapy clinics.
Money talks.
There is no growth market in selling salt instead of disinfectants.
H2O + NaCl + e- -> Cl2 + H2 + NaOH
is one of the most important in chemistry and has been in industrial use for well over 110 years. To say this is "not exactly super-new technology" is a HUGE understatement, since this is the same basic technology that has been chlorinating drinking water in the U.S. since 1908.
The new (relatively speaking) technology here appears to be the miniaturization of the electrolytic cell and membrane. While this is interesting in and of itself, I cannot see how this will be the big lifesaver they are claiming. One would think that most hospitals can and do purchase disinfectants already and would not really need to generate these hazardous chemicals onsite, even in small quantities. I mean, think of the risks: Cl2 (poisonous gas), H2 (explosive gas), and NaOH (caustic soda). If a hospital does not have the resources to buy these relatively cheap chemicals, why would they have the resources (electricity to name one) to buy and operate these little machines?
Just my $.02
>And yet language is such that it doesn't matter >what OED says. If people say virii is the plural >of virus, it is. It's the same with hacker / >cracker.
>You cannot stop language from evolving.
Let me 'ax' you, iz dat the logeek beehind Ebonics as well?
Let's all strive for utter and complete mediocrity.
zeke
It's your basic High School Chemistery 2 e+H2O+(Na+) Cl- --> 2NaOH +1 Cl2 both these products kill bacteria and viruses. I'm supprise no one hasn't tried it before for cleaning but it's a very old process thats how all commercail lye is produced the clorine is a valuble byproduct in the lye making process.
> I can convert beer into a water and salts solution! What do I get?
Arrested if you do it in public....
Acording to the article is uses "regular tap water". As someone who has been to Russia, let me tell you, their tap water is mostly dark brown, and probably contaminated with radiation. Maybe that explains all these unusual properties.
If you want to see a real experiment, try this with Australian water.
1. Get Water
2. Add Salt
3. Put in energy
4. ?
5. Profit!
Don't trust a bull's horn, a doberman's tooth, a runaway horse or me.
The basic principle is electrolyis of a brine solution. But this is about all which is correct in above analysis.
The post by anon coward above is basically correct. The primary solution products are sodium hydroxide and chlorine (hydrogen bubbling out), then, in an important mixing step, NaOH and Cl2 react to form sodium hypochlorite solution (not sodium chlorate, as another clueless commenter suggested). In secondary reactions, chloroxide (ClO2) and various oxygen-containing radicals (OH, etc.) are formed.
This process is related to the industrial synthesis of sodium hydroxide by electrolysis - only in that case the mixing is carefully avoided and the chlorina gas captured for use for vinyl chloride production, etc.
As far as chemistry as a science is concerned, there is nothing in these papers which was not already known a hundred years ago.
P.S. Slashdot people, please allow the tag for correct formula subscripts!
That's the best idea I've heard in a while. I can't believe no one thought of it earlier... ...using google's cache system on slashdot... genius!!
-Cricket
Nothing like a bleached nose to let you know you're alive...
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
http://homepages.together.net/~rjstan/
--
Benjamin Coates
A relative of mine installed a reverse osmosis filter in his house. This filters out everything including chlorine: the water is so clean that it squeaks. The next time he refiilled his aquarium, the fish started dying. He had to add a little chlorine and flourine to their water to revive them. You have substantial amounts of chlorine incorporated into your own body.
It may also interest you to know that even oxygen can be poisonous. (-:
Perhaps you should have qualified yourself with `large concentrations of chlorine...' - even if only to reduce `period pain'.
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
Here's the page on colloidal silver at Quackwatch. Apparently the stuff can turn you permanently gray anywhere you're naturally light--skin, whites of the eyes, some of your insides (lungs? fat?) etc. And, the producers are big on hype, not so interested in rigorous testing or even keeping microorganisms out of their medicine bottles. See also this FDA site. As for a conspiracy preventing effective medicines from reaching the consumer, isn't it obvious that researchers, pharmaceutical company stockholders, scientists, and doctors are all ALSO consumers? They and their families are just as likely to get cancer or heart disease as you are. Think they'll suppress something that could cure their kid of leukemia so that the company can profit? Give me a break.
my highschool chemisty stank. i had no clue how to interpret the article.
this is what i like about
thank goodness for the net. keep it open.
has already existed throughout Russian history, and it sure kills any living, carbon-based entity - it's called Vodka.
There are a huge number of yeast infections in this county. Probably because we're downriver from the bread factory.
This poor woman wants to tell you about colloidal silver. She took it as a child, back when it was a standard ingredient prescribed by a regular MD. So much for it being alternative. Mainstream or alternative, it made her look permanently alien and did not cure anything or prevent her getting cancer in adulthood.
We don't want the third world population to explode. This like this can really upset the natural balance that exists currently in favor of western countries. If they keep doind things like this it will surely cause a popluation explotion leading to shortages and war.
Proven medical treatments, such as silver, acupuncture, homeopathy, etc. (proven not by a few piddly years of research, but in most cases many decades or centuries of use)
I can't speak for silver (I've not done enough reading on this particular 'treatment'), but I can say that both acupuncture and homeopathy are NOT proven treatments, nothing even close. I challenge you to produce one paper in a reputable medical journal that demonstrates the effectiveness of these treatments.
Just because something has been done for a long time, does not mean it works. All it has to do is make people think it works, and people are pretty easy to fool. People believed in the 4 bodily humours for centuries too, and the entirety of Western medical practice was based on this premise for a long time. Eventually though, evidence-based medicine took over and properly so.
For more info, visit The Skeptic's Dictionary.
SofaMan -- Occasionally Battling Evil With His Mighty Powers Of Indolence.
from a country famous for a collapsed economy, lost nuclear weapons (and all kinds of other radioactive crap that became "misplaced") and child porn. Uggh.
At least they make good vodka.
Using electricity, it splits table salt (NaCl) into Na+ and Cl- ions, and you get chlorinated, swimming pool water. And the Na+ is recycled by recombining with Cl- and all you ever add is salt
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A while ago I read Neal Stephenson's Zodiac, which mentions chlorene. This post rang a bell, so I dug it up and pawed through it to find what it had to say. The book only tells you about the situation in bits and pieces, so this really took some searching:
Ionic chlorene's easy to get. It's in seawater. If you want to manufacture a whole catalog of industrial chemicals, you have to convert ionic chlorine into the covalent variety. You do that by subtracting an electron.
And it's just about that simple. You take a tank of seawater and you put a couple of bare wires into it. You hook up a source of electrical power up between the wires, and current - a stream of electrons - flows through the water. The molecules get rearranged. The ionic chlorine turns into the covalent kind, which is what you want. The sodium joins up with fractured water molecules to form sodium hydroxide. Or lye and alkali, depending on how educated you are.
If you're an engineer, and you're not very bright, it's easy to love polychlorinated biphenyls. They are cheap, stable, and easy to make and they take heat very well. That's why they end up in heat exchangers and electrical transformers. It's how they got into that machine in Japan and, when the pipes started to leak, it's how they got into a lot of rice oil.
Unfortunately, rice oil is for human consumption, and as soon as humans enter the equation, PCBs no longer look very good. The problem with humans is that they have a lot of fat in their bodies, and PCBs have this vicious affinity for fat. They dissolve themselves in human fat cells and they never leave. They are studded with loose chlorine atoms that know how to break up chromosomes. So when that heat exchanger started leaking, the city of Kusho, Japan started to look like the site of a Biblical plague. Newborn babies came out undersized and dark brown. People started to waste away. They developed a fairly disgusting skin rash called chloracne and felt very sick.
A benzene ring is a six-pack of carbon atoms. The six-pack is held together. It's stable. It's strong. It takes some effort to pull one of the atoms off. There are a couple different kinds. If you put two six-packs together, you have a twelve-pack. THe six-packs are phenyls, a twelve-pack is a biphenyl. If the six-packs are benzenes, it's a dibenzodioxin, because the connection between the six-packs is made by using a couple of oxygen atoms. But the toxic part of polychlorinated dibenzodioxin (PCDDs) and polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs) is the chlorine.
The biphenyl or dibenzodioxin structure dissolves easily in fat. Once it gets into your body fat, it never leaves.
The second bad thing is, the chlorine there is in covalent form; it's got the normal number of electrons, whereas the chlorine in (safe) table salt is in ionic form. It's got an extra electron. The difference is that covalent chlorine is more reactive; it has these big electron clouds that can f*** up your chromosomes. And it slips right through your cell membranes. Ionic chlorine ddoesn't - the cell membranes are made to stop it.
In Stephenson's book, this guy Sangamon Taylor runs around trying to take down corporations that electrocute seawater to create PCBs, use the PCBs as coolant, then dump them into Boston harbor. Stephenson makes it seem like the root of all evil is zapping salt water, because it produces organic chlorine. So I would be very, very careful about intentionally electrocuting salt water and then swimming in it.
It seems like there must be something more to this if, as you said, "This Old House" recommended the process. Maybe it works differently with plain salt water as opposed to sea water. Or something. Scares the crap out of me, though. Maybe someone smarter can tell me what I'm talking about?
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For those who truly believe in homeopathic medicines, I strongly recommend a homeopathic dose of oxygen, for about five minutes. It'll permanently cure you of everything that could ail you for the rest of your (short) life.
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Lysis. The cells of bacteria are filled with mostly water (as are our cells). When put into a solution which is highly saline the cells burst since the water inside the cells has a lower content of saline, so the cells expand and pop.
As for virii, I'm sure it doesn't work for viruses. Some virii are fragile, however.
GJC
Gregory Casamento
## Chief Maintainer for GNUstep
When you have a cold, you should NOT take antibiotics to help your immune system fight off oppurtunistic bacteria. Unnecessary antibiotics will just kill off your symbiotic bacteria (the ones which are HELPing your immune system by competing with other germs) and increase the numbers of antibiotic-resistant bacteria in your system (endangering you and all the people around you).
I've heard this argument dozens of times from "experts" in the media, and it makes no sense. No bacteria becomes resistant to antiseptics. Ever. There is no such thing as a bacteria that is resistant to chlorine. Antibiotics interfere with the metabolism of bacteria, sometimes a specific system controlled by a single gene. Organisms lacking the gene are resistant and survive. Antiseptics and disinfectants are totally different. They use brute force techniques like oxidation or affecting membrane permeability. There is no such thing as resistance to antiseptics.
In fact, most new drugs don't pass the "effective" test. Most are rejects. This is good; progress comes from surviving testing. Once something has been demonstrated to work at all, there's the possibility of figuring how to make it work better. Without testing, nothing gets beyond the "sort of works, maybe" stage.
The FDA tolerates homeopathic drugs for "self-limiting conditions", i.e. things on the threshold of hypochondria, but not for anything serious. It's worth noting that all the "alternative therapies" for AIDS proposed by various activists, none are still taken seriously.
There has been, famously, at least one major attempt by the drug industry to stop a new treatment that threatened profits. This was the discovery that ulcers are a bacterial disease that can be cured with antibiotics. Drug companies were making billions selling people Tagamet and such for years, when a two-week course of antibiotics usually knocks the disease out permanently. This was discovered in 1982, but it took a decade to convince people. The Center for Disease Control made a major effort to get the word out to doctors, too many of whom get their drug info from drug company sales reps. This worked, and finally, Tagamet has been relegated to an over-the-counter medication for indigestion. That's an unusual case, but it's real.
This process is used in swimming pools and boats. It has been for years and is nothing new.
n t/ LectraSanMC/lectrasanmc.html
http://www.raritaneng.com/Products/WasteTreatme
Run a couple of volts through salt water, the
Na+ ions go to the cathode, the Cl- ions go the
anode and discharged to Cl which disolves to
form Sodium Hypochlorite this is the main
component of household bleach.
2Na+ + 2H20 + 2e- -> 2NaOH + H2
2Cl- -> Cl2 + 2e-
Cl2 + H20 = HCl + HCl0
HClO + NaOH -> NaClO + H20
Similar reaction will happen with any other
disolved salts in the water.
We have major problems in the medical world, because anti-biotics have been regularly prescribed for common colds since antibiotics have existed.
that's the smaller part of it. the larger part of it is all the antibiotics used in animal culture (factory farming). all you meat eaters are directly responsible for the resistant strains!!!
Why do all the bullshit stories always come out of russia? Wasn't there some crazy story about a desktop supercomputer also that was developed in russia?
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Water + Salt = Clean Energy
You know where you are? You're in the $PATH, baby. You're gonna get executed!
To compound the problem in the western world we think its perfectly ok to feed our livestock constant doses of antibiotics
you hit the nail on the head here!!! can't overemphasize this point.
dunno who thinks it is a good idea, probably the antibiotic manufacturers certainly. yet another example of how our food is being poisoned by big business.
Skeptics should read CSICOP's guide to critising before commenting. Being rude, and casually passing off claims as foolish does not make a good argument.
-Sean
This might sound foolish, but if:
:
Water + Salt + Energy = Clean
can we also say that
Clean - Water - Salt = Energy
Any math+chemist persons(I am not either) care to comment ?
The real reason people don't look at such medicines is not a conspiracy but lack of economic incentive: unpatentable medicines are of little economic interest to drug companies. That's why we get dozens of useless cold treatments and no drugs for many other diseases.
Point: salt water is a curative your mom used to give you. It's not new. Get with it.
This sig no verb.
Bacteria can mutate, and so can viruses. Some bacteria have already developed immunity to antibiotic. If we use this solution on a large scale, won't bateria and viruses develop immunity after a while?
Researchers at the University of Moscow released a surprising new study Friday afternoon indicating that simple tap water and sugar could be converted into a microbial growth solution. "Works for anything. Virii, bacteria, cysts." says the head of Russian Advanced Science.
It's "bear" with me, not "bare". I'd rather not take my clothes off with you...
And the people shall be oppressed, every one by another, and every one by his neighbour Isaiah 3:5
It makes me more resistant..
Okay, as much as I like Stephenson's books, I guess it's always at least a little dangerous to gleam scientific knowledge from fiction books.
Actually, you are quoting things from Stephenson that are about two very different processes. The first one is the electrolysis of salt water, by which you can gain elementary (non-ionic) chlorine. That is certainly true.
The next part then discusses certain applications of this clorine gas, and one of them for sure is the generation of halogenated aromatic compounds, as for instance PCB. However, while this compound really is a mean bitch, toxic and gets stored in your fat tissues, per se it has not a lot to do with clorine, only that this is one of the basic chemicals needed to make it.
I hope that clarified that point.
IANAChemist, really, anyhow...
For what it's worth, the Latin-second-declension-singular-sounding word, virus , is in fact (probably) second declension neuter, and what's more has no [authentic Latin] plural... the correct word is viruses!
Amazing how those memes spread...
Soap.
You could have a bubble bath/pool.
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
Now, it's super important that the SRBs (solid boosters) are lit up at the same time. They're far away from the center, and and being solid, they can't be throttled. If just one of them were to light, that would be another shuttle lost, right there.
The SRBs are ignited by a smaller (though still pretty big) solid motor in the top of the SRB that sends a flame down the grains to ignite the whole burning surface at once. That smaller motor gets lit by what's essentially an e-match with BKNO on it.
"An object declared as type _Bool is large enough to store the values 0 and 1." -- 6.1.2.5, C99 standard.
Bastards, they never mentioned about the internal ignition systems when I took the Kennedy tour! ;)
;)
Interesting about the SRB lighting from the top down - I was trying to work out how it could light from the bottom and provide a constant flow rate. I guess NASA thought about it a lot more than I have
Chris "Ng" Jones
cmsj@tenshu.net
www.tenshu.net
I'm sure she did not invent the idea. Rather, I expect it goes back to antiquity.
About half the length of any given work meeting.
Any disinfectant that kills all bacteria it encounters is probably not safe for human consumption, because of all of those wonderful digestive bacteria that live in the intestines and provide their host with indispensible aid in digesting food. I don't remember exactly what happens if they're killed, but suffice it to say, it's bad.
The only way the typical /.er can pick up a chick is with a forklift. -- AC
There are many old solution for killing microbes
with salt and water
salted salmon etc,
salt for lettces for killing parasites etc.
clorine comes from salt and water
also sodium hidroxide used long time ago
aslo superheated water nowdays with salt or hidroxide are standar procedures.
Being a researcher in need of an articles , can makes a very ugly and useless highly credted scientific articles.
Of course.. and everyone knows that an annoying NASA robot can start just one to force a launch.
"'Tis great confidence in a friend to tell him your faults, greater to tell him his." --Poor Richard's Almanac
Are you really that stupid? Can you really read three paragraphs of gibberish about knives/wolverines/cannibalism, and mistake it for a sincere attempt to sell dildos? Holy mother of God! I haven't seen a brain that small in years, shithead.
By the way, your cock's an inch long. Get a fucking dildo already.
Idiot...
At the time of this post, I have score:3 interesting for asking a question, and he has score:1 for answering it.
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1. You turn gray from getting it into your system, not applying it to the outside, as in the case of newborns or Civil War spies. How much it takes to turn YOU gray will be different from others. See Ms. Jacobs's story. This picture is particularly telling--as is the fact that Ms. Jacobs developed breast cancer despite being visibly loaded with silver.
2. The self-promoting, profit-oriented pages trying to sell this dangerous heavy metal as a "supplement" far outnumber the objective pages describing its actual effects. Therefore, if I believed everything I read on the web, I would agree with you on this subject. Use some logic.
3. QW says medicines can be divided into two categories only: works and doesn't work. "Alternative", "mainstream," "profitable", "non-patentable" are all side issues.
4. The QW writer points out that there's a huge trade in such things as Vitamin C despite their not being patentable. So much for that issue.
5. QW's skepticism sometimes goes overboard. Although I wish they would be a bit more moderate, in general a model of reality will be more accurate if you practice skepticism rather than gullibility.
6. Show me fully-documented, double-blind, replicated studies that unambiguously support your claims, and I will accept your claims.
Please post the URL of the studies here so that we all can learn about them.
7. Do the sellers of colloidal silver have your welfare in mind any more than other pharmaceutical companies? Why should they? They're in business. The profit motive is a powerful corrupter on every level. Alternative medicine companies have no better a record, and often worse, than the mainstream producers.
It does look too good to be true. That's precisely why I look forward to more coverage of this, and other scientists duplicating the process to see where it leads. I believe contaminated drinking water is one of the top three human health problems on the planet.
Raritan has an onboard waste treatment system which uses very similar technology called LectraSan. It turns waste liquid from a holding tank into beniegn sludge. LectraSan has been around for years
Salt water gave a good sinus-stimulating snort of chlorine on one electrode -- it probably gave NaOH on the other electrode.
I believe that using bicarb as an electrolyte gave you H2 and O2. I tried to get enough H2 into a balloon to make an explosion (the whole reason for bathtub chemistry was making something that burned or some kind of firework, subject to the restrictions of what we could use. Never worked -- H2 is probably too diffusive a gas to collect that way. The standard way to generate H2 quickly enough to have enough to burn was to dump zinc into sulferic acid, but sulferic acid was not among the things we were allowed to have.
I wanted to get pure Na by electrolysis -- closest I came was I was going to fuse NaCl on an outdoor charcoal fire, but never got very far with that.
I can go to the supermarket and buy a gallon of 5% sodium hypochlorite solution (a bottle of Clorix) for about a dollar. Seems much more convenient than going thru all that hassle and machinery to get the same end result.
Hydrogen Peroxide (H2 O2)
Use oxygen bleach instead of chlorine, cheaper than some complex electrolosis. Just put it on the owie.
Get's rid of bacteria in your mouth (tastes bad though), cleans out cuts and abrasions, disolves warts (multiple applications needed consistently over time.) and also cures hoof and mouth disease for cattle.
http://www.all-organic-food.com/beef3.htm
Oxygen cleaning and treatment (from what I have heard) has been used in Europe for some time now...
-v
Is it maybe something you wrap around a moron's neck to strangle him with? Sounds good to me...
The solution was pioneered for swimming pools during the 60's in Australia.
I learned about saline chlorine generators when researching pool chemistry to find a solution for our daughter's special needs. See Therapy Pools links.
An excellent overview of alternate water purification systems is 'Alternate Systems' by Neil Lowery.
Modern controls and polarity reversing/self cleaning have improved the chlorinators since the 60's. The convenience of computer automated electronic chemistry ORP/pH control is nice.
I now believe that every pool owner should seriously consider saline chlorine generator for their pool. Most people cannot taste any salt at 2800-3500PPM. For more consumer info, follow the product links below:
Autopilot Pool Pilot Systems
Clear Tech Automation AutoClear
Clormatic
Goldline Controls AquaRite
Monarch Pool Systems {various brands}
Poolpower
TMI Salt Pure {excellent information, solution oriented}
Zodiac Clearwater
There is likely more info here than anyone asked for... but our daughters needs motived some serious research.
It's amazing what one can learn by surfing. --Beachcomber
Medical Discoveries (otc:MLSC) uses this technology to destroy fungi, bacteria and viruses
RSCECAT is a technology transfer company, with US marketing rights to similar Russian technology. www.rscecat.com on the Way Back Machine
I have verified the results of this report. I added 1 US Gallon of H2O with 1 cup NaCl, and poured it into the case of my computer while running MS Outlook Express. Within 3 seconds, I stopped receiving the Klez virus. I've been told I now need a solution to put the magic smoke back into the various components of my motherboard and power supply that caught on fire, probably as a result of their contamination with computer viruses.
It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works.
I can't believe no one else saw through this thinly disguised Commie plot to sap and impurify our precious bodily fluids. We can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids!
It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works.
I can't believe no one else saw through this thinly disguised plot to sap and impurify our precious bodily fluids. We can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids!
Biogard has a new system for keeping pools disenfected that does this same thing.