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UT2003 LiveCD

ztc writes "Gentoo has added a Unreal Tournament 2003 demo to a version of their Linux-based LiveCD. It has up-to-date nvidia graphics drivers, sound drivers, network drivers, etc. on the CD ready-to-play. LiveCDs have always been a great way to sway potential Linux-converts, but this should really impress them! You can download the iso here." A sneaky way to promote Gentoo. I like it.

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  1. WOW! by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 5, Funny

    LiveCDs have always been a great way to sway potential Linux-converts, but this should really impress them!

    Zealot: "And look at this!! You plug in the CD, and it runs Unreal Tournament!!"

    Normal Person: "But... my Windows already does that."

    Zealot: "But you don't understand! It's better because it's Linux!!"

    Normal Person: "But it looks the same to me... ?"

    Zealot: "Well, yeah, but that's the point! It looks the same, but it's on Linux!!"

    Normal Person: "Er.. OK. Show me The Sims next!"

    Zealot: "Give me a few hours to get Quake working..."

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    1. Re:WOW! by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Heh that was funny. GJ. :)

      I remember a couple of years ago, my former office mate was really getting into Linux. He got Samba working and was reaaaally happy about that. Today I understand why Samba's cool, but back then his demo didn't impress me.

      Coworker: "Go to my Linux box under Network Neighborhood."

      Me: "Ok"

      Coworker: "See that directory there?"

      Me: "You mean the folder called 'Public'?"

      Coworker: "yeah!!!"

      Me: "okay.. I'm in there."

      Coworker: "YES!! I got Samba working!! Isn't that great?"

      Me: "Umm.. you spent all of yesterday and today on that?"

      Coworker: "Yeah! It was hard!" (if memory serves, he had a bit of trouble getting it to work on our network, we had some strange issues with it before he started messing with Samba. This was a startup company so the computers were basically band-aided together with whatever MS thought we needed...)

      Me: "You realize that a sane person could recreate that trick on Windows by right clicking here, then clicking this checkbox here, then hitting apply, right?" (I was a bit of a smeghead then, still am today.)

      After that day, a new policy was created that banned the use of the F-word above a certain number of decibals.

      Piece of advice to Linux Zealots out there: Don't brag about features of Linux designed to keep up with Windows. To the uninformed, it makes Linux sound like an un-evolved OS.

    2. Re:WOW! by Shamanin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I believe the point is: Show me a CD that will boot Windows and showcase a game WITHOUT the need for installing the OS.

      Surely the game distributers would be on the losing end of a lawsuit.

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  2. slashdot just posted a direct link to an iso by j1mmy · · Score: 4, Funny

    I feel sorry for ibiblio.org

  3. UT2k3 - linux impressions by Merlin42 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I downloaded and installed UT2k3 demo on both my linux partition (up to date gentoo) and my W2k partition. I am running an admitidly unbalanced celeron333a w/ 192mb ram and a gf4ti4200-64mb.
    Under linux I get very choppy sound and an almost-kinda-sorta-playable slideshow after setting all the options to their min (ok I left the res at 800x600 ... 320x240 was in the list!).
    While w2k gives me a reasonably playable game ... heck its not completly unplayable at 1600x1200.

    1. Re:UT2k3 - linux impressions by Phil+the+Canuck · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I installed UT2K3 on both of my home systems - Redhat 7.3 on an Athlon 750 with a GeForce 2 MX, and WinXP on a Duron 1GHz with a GeForce 3 Ti500. It runs fine at 1024x768 on WinXP and (a slightly less choppy) 800x600 on Redhat. Obviously these two systems aren't great for a head-to-head comparison, but it does go to show that UT2K3 is capable of running better on Linux than your experience would suggest

    2. Re:UT2k3 - linux impressions by Adnans · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I am quite disapointed that linux faired so much worse on my system, I really do hope that either I screwed something up or it is a peculiarity of my system or the beta level software.

      It's reallly ver simple. The OpenGL UT2003 drivers are pretty much unoptimized at this point. Remember, the main renderer engine for UT is D3D which means that the game will run faster in D3D mode. Using the OpenGL engine under Windows will probably yield the same crappy result. But then again a dual Celeron 333 is really not up to speed and doesn't even come close to the minimum advertised requirements for UT2003 (At least a PIII 700, etc..). Upgrade! ;-)

      -adnans

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  4. Were is my pointy-horned cap? by jvmatthe · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The submitter wrote:
    LiveCDs have always been a great way to sway potential Linux-converts, but this should really impress them!

    Well, I don't know exactly what the LiveCD does, but I will say that if you're trying to impress them with the game, then I'm not sure that the Linux demo is going to be that impressive to Windows people. If I were a Windows-only user, I'd ask them what the big deal was, since I could play it on my Windows machine already. And I'd point out that, despite the fact that NVIDIA cards are pretty widespread, the demo on Windows supports a wider range of cards, including the lowly 3dfx Voodoo3. And that it doesn't require rebooting the machine.


    If this were a Linux-only game that supported a wide range of hardware configurations and showed off graphical splendor that wasn't generally available on Windows, then that'd be impressive to lots of people. As much as my geeky side can be impressed by the idea of putting together a CD like this, I just don't see Windows people giving a hoot.


    FWIW, I'm not a Windows user. I only use Linux at work and at home. Heck, I even wrote an article on the Linux demo and how it came to be. But most Windows users are still puzzled about why a Linux port even exists. They're certainly not going to want you rebooting their machine just so you can boot up Linux and play it from a CD.

    1. Re:Were is my pointy-horned cap? by Soko · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I agree that Windows users won't actively seek out this - especially if they're happy with thier current OS.

      However, this can be the coup-de-grace for the people who are merely curious about Linux, even more so to those who are considering a switch. Observe:

      WindowsUser: Y'know, I'd like to try that Linux thing but I don't want to hose my Windows machine.

      LinuxAdvocate: No problem. Here's a Gentoo Linux 1.4 CD. You boot from it and it creates a temporary but fully working Linux system. You have an NVIDIA card, so you're good to go.

      WindowsUser: It won't hose my system?

      LinuxAdvocate: Not at all. It won't even look at your disk unless you tell it to.

      WindowsUser: Hmmmmmm - OK, lemme plug it in and re-boot.

      (Many minutes of playing with Linux)

      WindowsUser: Seems stable and fast. It's alot like Windows, too. Not bad. What about games?

      LinuxAdvocate: *ShitEatingGrin* Have I got a treat for you....

      It's a marketing tool. UT2003 is just a way to draw the bees to the honey. Besides, it'd be cool to carry around your UT2003 environment wherever you go...

      Soko
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      "Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm." - Anonymous
  5. FTP mirrors by mortis_aeturnus · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:FTP mirrors by ananke · · Score: 3, Informative

      Just because it's a slow day at work... I mirrored it too

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  6. Nothing new... by Eric_Cartman_South_P · · Score: 3, Funny
    ...that convicted warez guy in the article below has had this for months already.

  7. Answer by Mustang+Matt · · Score: 5, Informative

    LiveCD is a standalone bootable CD that you can pop in most newer computers, boot up and play the game.

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  8. Reasons for the CD... by Twister002 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What's one of the big reasons people always give for not switching to Linux? What's one of the big reasons that many of us STILL have Windows boxes or dual-boot?

    The games.

    Now we've got two or three big games being released for the Linux platforms. (UT 2003, NWN(when it's done?), Quake 3(I know released heap long time ago, but it's still a big game) Proof that Linux can run major market games. May help sway some people.

    The future

    What *I* would like to see is games released in this Live CD fashion. So that you don't have to worry about getting the latet drivers. It almost turns any computer into a gaming console. You just put in the CD, reboot, and play. Don't have to worry about clearing out hard drive space or buying a new hard drive so you have enough space. You don't have to worry about having the drivers that work with the game. It's all bundled up in the UT OS I don't know how it was for some people, but it was a PAIN trying to get Quake and Quake2 installed and running under Linux for me.

    Heck you and some friends could burn off these CD's and head to your local internet cafe or Best Buy and play some UT over the net...hehehehe

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    "For a successful technology, honesty must take precedence over public relations for nature cannot be fooled." -Feynman
  9. Boot time by asobala · · Score: 5, Funny

    Zealot > Look at this! It's a demo of Unreal Tournament under Linux. You just put in the CD and it runs.

    Poor dude > What's all that writing?

    Zealot > That's it booting. You don't need to worry about that.

    Poor dude > Why's it taking so long?

    Zealot > That's the amazing thing! Gentoo compiles the kernel, the libraries, the compiler, the compiler again, X, AND unreal tournament before running it! So it runs really fast!

    Poor dude > So how long does it take to get working?

    Zealot > About 3 days from pressing the power on button. But it's fast!

  10. ATI Cards by solarce · · Score: 3, Informative

    I have not seen this mentioned yet, but I think it should be noted that it is not Gentoo's fault that the UT2003 LiveCD does not run on ATI cards. Epic made the call to only support the newer nVidia cards in the demo and it has nothing to do with Gentoo or the fact that XFree86 has less than ample support for the newer Radeon card line.

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    1. Re:ATI Cards by jvmatthe · · Score: 4, Informative
      Epic made the call to only support the newer nVidia cards in the demo

      This is false. To cut down on traffic over the AGP bus, Epic used texture compression. Specifically, they used S3TC/DXTC, which is supported by every major, modern 3D video driver on Windows (i.e. their target audience). This extension is currently supported by only two drivers on Linux: the ones from NVIDIA and the ones from Xi Graphics. The XiG drivers support the Radeon cards, but are pay-to-use drivers. However a time-limited demo is available for free. (The server must be restarted every 25-30 minutes or so, in the demo, as I understand it. Buy the real thing, and you get unlimited use, naturally.)

      Epic has also said they're working with ATI and PowerVR (makers of the Kyro cards) to improve the binary-only drivers that each of those companies provides for their cards under Linux. If and when these drivers are released, they will be free-as-in-beer.

      Again: it is the failing of the drivers under Linux to support a required extension, not Epic. Without that extension, performance would be terrible, so it isn't an option of just turning it off.
    2. Re:ATI Cards by jvmatthe · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not being a programmer, I can't speak with complete authority, but I can tell you what I know. The full game has an amount of textures measured in gigabytes. (Not on a single level, naturally, but this gives an idea of just how much data we're talking about.) The beta build I've played with was a bigger than 2Gb, of which a big chunk was those textures. They shipped lower resolution textures with the demo and it was still 100Mb compressed. I don't know the size of an individual, high-resolution texture, but I imagine that the S3TC/DXTC is required, given the size of things so far.

  11. It's been slashdotted, here it is by Lucky+Kevin · · Score: 5, Funny
    Since you can no longer get it from the site, in line with other helpful people in other discussions, I have copied the entire CD, gzipped it, uuencoded it and pasted it below. Enjoy!
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    Kevin
    "It's not the cough that carries you off, it's the coffin they carry you off in" O. Nash
    1. Re:It's been slashdotted, here it is by Torgo's+Pizza · · Score: 3, Funny

      No no no no! Everyone knows that you should use yEnc. Get with the times! That'll cut your posts down to only 6,421 parts!

  12. PC "Consoles"? by Vireo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What I find interesting is the possibility to offer games that come with their own OS. Instead of distributing a game which comes for Windows, Linux, or MacOS, why not put an optimized OS on the CD or DVD so that anyone can boot it and play the game. The game could fetch configs and saved games, if available, on a user-specified location on disk, or better, online. It would work much as a console; of course, having to boot on the CD is a drawback, but console users don't seem to mind.