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serendigital writes "Unix guru Simon Cozens wrote about his "conversion" story in the UK Unix User Group Newsletter. He touts: OroborosX and XDarwin. This gives you a rootless X server and Aqua-like window manager. He also seems to like the libraries: the NeXT approach of separating libraries off into their own subdirectories and separating out library versions makes for a much tidier filesystem arrangement than simply bundling everything in /usr/lib. One of the more controversial "differences" in OSX." And on the other side of the switch, there's Wil Wheaton does Mandrake.

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  1. I gotta agree with wil... by packeteer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Mandrake has been very good to me. I have helped many people i know move from windows to linux and Mandrake is about twice as easy as anything else i have found. With the latest version 9.0 its even better and i would advise checking it out. As much as people like to flame Mandrake for not being a "hardcore" distro i say i dont care. It is distro's like Mandrake that bring in new people and it was what i used to switch over.

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  2. the underlying OS is irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Most users don't care whether you're running FreeBSD or Linux underneath. What they see is the shell and the GUI.

    1. Re:the underlying OS is irrelevant by MoneyT · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And so Apple has made a system then for all users. For the most users, there's a nice easy to use, intuitive GUI. For the other people who do care what's underneith, there's BSD and darwin.

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    2. Re:the underlying OS is irrelevant by MoneyT · · Score: 5, Insightful

      1)
      commercial != bad

      I hardly see people bitch and moan when a new game like UT 2k3 is released. Never mind that it's all closed source and you can't change it at all, linux users rejoice when a game is ported to their machines.

      commercial software when done right provides a quality that is hard to match let alone beat with free software.

      2) I'm not even going to get into this debate.

      3) Sluggish if he last time you used or saw (I doubt you've ever used) was OS X Beta

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    3. Re:the underlying OS is irrelevant by Oculus+Habent · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Without the commerical OS market the Linux you love would be nothing like what it is today.

      Even if you don't like commercial software, you should admit that commercial isn't bad becuase it gave you many of the tools you know and love.

      And I agree with MoneyT on the gaming issue. Have you never played DOOM or Quake?

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  3. Re:Dread of Mac by Billly+Gates · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Any modern usb mouse/keyboard can work with a mac. Just plug it in. Scroll mouse and everything. I agree on mice. I go crazy if I use a computer without a scroll mouse. Just like a pc, if you do not like the default os then you can use linux. In the future when everything but drm-windows is outlawed, the mac might be your only hope for freedem. Linux will always be there. Instead of paying a ms tax, you just pay an apple tax. However with Darwin you can take off aqua and run a real unix if you like.

  4. Idiots? by PythonOrRuby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Everyone who isn't a trained actor looks like an idiot when a camera is trained on them. That's the point. Real, goofy, quirky, neurotic, normal people, not paid actors.

  5. Re:So what? by MoneyT · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Speaking from personal experience, on laptops, I prefer one button. Since I always keep one hand on teh keyboard, and the track pad is alread close to the keyboard, using the modifier keys is easer then having two buttons on a track pad. And I hav enever had a problem with contextual menues, can you give specifics?

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  6. Re:this is all well and good by Bartab · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Meanwhile, if the idea of a very OS X-like environment on your box is highly appealing, stick your coding where you mouth is and go help the GNUstep project.

    Why? I want a Mac for the fact that it's a mac: A unix like system that lets me get my work done yet still has enough of a market share to coexist in the company groupware system and even the occasional game (if frequently delayed) and no Microsoft Tax.

    I don't see how Yet Another Freaking Window Manager for Linux is going to give the benefits the Mac does. Other things will, but it will require increased market share and a large userbase defacto standardization on a single desktop and window manager (Which can only start with a distribution like RedHat doing what it has done with Gnome/KDE).

    Pricewise, Mac desktops are not all that bad (Dual 867 for $1600) but could still do with some price cutting. However, the real value is in the laptops, and they are -across-the-board- at least $1k too expensive. A 800mhz powerpc laptop with a 40 gig drive a 512 meg memory is $3200. A comparable IBM Thinkpad (1.2 gig, 512meg, 40gig) will be about $1400, and the 1.8 gigs only $400 more.

    That $1800 difference sure makes the Microsoft Tax less odious.

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  7. Re:this is all well and good by bnenning · · Score: 3, Insightful
    This means that if GNUstep ever took off, any Cocoa application could be very easily ported to GNUstep without a rewrite.


    And why wait for it to take off? My latest Mac OS X app Gridlock was an easy port to GNUstep. The non-UI code worked perfectly with zero changes; there were a few UI issues but they were simple to work around.

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