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Hard Drives Evaluated for Noise, Heat and Performance

Sander Sassen writes "Ever wondered what harddisks offer the best combination of performance and low noise? Hardware Analysis evaluates all recent 5400 and 7200-rpm harddisks and focuses on noise, heat production and overall performance. Their results show that 7200-rpm spindle speed is no guarantee for high-performance and that low-noise and high-performance is not an impossible combination with some harddisks."

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  1. I have only one thing to say... by keep_it_simple_stupi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's about damned time. We have more than enough reviews on speed and performance, but there is a serious dearth of information on noise.

    1. Re:I have only one thing to say... by Soko · · Score: 4, Funny

      What did you say??? I can't hear you with all my disks spun up.

      What about damned limes???? Death of information on no ice? Hunh??

      Please repeat, and this time SPEAK LOUDER, PLEASE!!!

      Soko

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    2. Re:I have only one thing to say... by saider · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It may not be lack of confidence, but rather economics.

      On a drive with a three year warranty, you could cause a drive failure and send it in. The drive company would then send you a replacement. However, since your drive is three years old, they do not have them in stock anymore and instead give you the smallest one they have - which is twice as large as the one they are replacing.

      The end result is that every drive warrantied for three years might as well be advertised as "Free upgrade in three years". This slogan gives the bean-counters fits.

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    3. Re:I have only one thing to say... by Sique · · Score: 2, Insightful
      After all, HDD manufacturers have unilaterally (as of today) shortened warranties from 3 years to 1.


      Big problem for distributors in Europe... Here the law requires every seller to warrant the usability of technical equipment (at least) for two years. If the manufacturer doesn't give those two years of warranty on the sold equipment, the seller has to keep a stock of the equipment just to replace the failed ones. So either the manufacturer gives two years of warranty to the distributor, or the distributor walks over to a manufacturer who does. Or he stops selling harddrives. Either way the manufacturer looses.


      Same is of course valid for ready built computers, not only single parts. Assemblers have either give a warranty for at least two years or the distributor looks for someone who does. In the tight market with sliding sales I doubt the assemblers or the manufacturers will be able to close shoulders and stand the urge from distribution channels to give two years of warranty. The distribution channels have no choice. They are required by law to do so.

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    4. Re:I have only one thing to say... by Sivar · · Score: 5, Informative

      Storagereview.com has had noise and heat statistics for years.

      Actually, it is a better reference than this quoted article because you can tell SR.com to compare all the drives you are interested in purchasing and get good* benchmarks, heat/noise, and can sort by specific benchmark.
      Go to the website, click "database" (near the top) and choose your criteria. In ten seconds you can find out the noise/heat/speed of every drive SR has ever reviewed, with a rather nice labelled bar graph for clarity.
      You can also visit the forums and get advice from some of the most knowledgeable people in the IT industry, and get information that is difficult to come by anywhere else--for example, that Samsung makes the most reliable (albeit close to the slowest) IDE hard drive. SR was also the first to discover that Seagate planned to reduce their warranty and that there are terrible SCSI performance bugs in Windows XP, among others.
      A very good resource, and it's been slashdotted without the server being brought to its knees. (It runs Linux/Apache/PHP)

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    5. Re:I have only one thing to say... by Blkdeath · · Score: 4, Interesting
      ... or it could be due to the fact that we've RMA'd dozens of drives of between 1 and 2 years of age from about four-five different drive manufacturers. Our stack of RMA sheets is starting to become cumbersome.

      More and more as time goes by (and drive size increases, and prices drop) I'm seeing much higher percentages of drives with manufacturing defects, or drives that develop errors after several months of typical (home, office, small business, small enterprise server, etc.) use.

      I don't even have to resort to 'naming names' - they're all proving bad lately. It's not just our equipment, either. We're handling (on behalf of our customers) RMAs for several different computer resellers in our area, most of whom do not use our supplier(s).

      I'm sure anybody would understand the significance of this problem after you've told your tenth customer in a month that their data is irretreivable, AND that they have to wait 4-6 weeks for a new unit or purchase a new one. (Don't even mention data recovery - Joe Homeuser or Suzy Smallbusiness just can't afford thousands of dollars, but it doesn't make their data any less important than a mega-corporation)

      I've got a dandy of a hard drive on the bench right now, awaiting customer authorization for replacement. Scandisk froze solid when attempting to diagnose it, so I slave mounted it and began extracting data. After about 200MB or thereabouts, it made the loudest screeching noise I think I've ever heard.

      The drive was manufactured less than two years ago, purchased only 1.5 years back.

      It's a sad state that the computer industry is in right now, with most components suffering the same fate as hard disk drives. I must replace two power supplies per week, it seems. Granted, we're making a killing on labour on all this defective hardware (why the stores they purchased this equipment from won't help them, I'll never know, and I'm too frightened to investigate) - which, in hindsight, is probably the reason behind the "So what if it only lasts for one year?" line of thinking.

      If manufacturers don't have refurb drives or services available, or if they won't replace a defective unit with the next-closest-piece available; that's not our problem, it's clearly a problem with their company policy. Being mechanical, drives are easy enough to repair.

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      KDS (Korea Data Systems) still offers three year warranties on their products, and I'm still extremely ecstatic with their work (which is why they're the first monitor we reccomend, and the monitor we include with our systems). The monitor we're using on our accounting machine (KDS VS-7e) is now almost exactly 3 years, 1 month old. On (literally) the last day of the warranty, I phoned them with a request for an RMA number, due to the control buttons functioning erratically. They gave me the number and I shipped it to them four days after the manufacturer warranty expired. Since I got the number in time (and didn't have to wait a month for it, like one particular HDD manufacturer I don't care to name (or deal with!)); on a Tuesday. It was back on our desk by the Friday of that very same week - return shipping paid in full by KDS. We're working on our 90-day warranty extension right now, but I don't forsee any future problems.
      </SUBJECT>

      So, all in all, I'm extremely dissapointed with hard drive manufacturers, and judging by current industry trends I doubt very much the situation will improve.

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    6. Re: I have only one thing to say... by Antity · · Score: 2

      Yes, I'm pretty sure it's economics. By now. Let me explain:

      With the next harddrive series, the warranty will still be only 1 year. BUT: since the development departments aren't any longer required to build drives that last 3 years, there will be lots of harddrives designed to last maybe 1.5 years (I'm not sure how much cheaper they will be to produce; but in the harddrive market, every dollar counts, so it will happen); especially within the low-price sector.

      This is no good.

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  2. Wow! by sunspot42 · · Score: 2

    Fastest. Slashdotting. Ever.

    1. Re:Wow! by BLAG-blast · · Score: 2, Funny
      Fastest. Slashdotting. Ever.

      Yeah, imagine the sound of all the hard drive chirps as 100,000 geeks longing for quieter hard drives click on the link...

      Maybe tomorrow then....

      PS: does anybody know if they cover laptop harddrives as well?

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    2. Re:Wow! by Brad+Wilson · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'll give you my experience with one hard drive: the current model IBM 60GB, 5400 RPM, 12.5mm hard drive. I put it into my Compaq Presario laptop. This drive is silent! It's unbelievable. I use this box for dev, and it regularly thrashes the hard drive -- presumably. I can't hear it if it does. :)

      The guy who sits next to me has whatever default drive is in the monster Sony Vaio, and that thing is incredibly noisy.

    3. Re:Wow! by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 2

      12.5mm???? Where the hell did you get a 0.5 inch drive?

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    4. Re:Wow! by 3waygeek · · Score: 2

      That's the drive's height; he's talking about a 2.5" laptop drive.

  3. What I've known all along- by IWantMoreSpamPlease · · Score: 4, Informative

    Seagate's Barracuda IV drives are great! Exceptionally quiet (the CPU cooling fan generates more noise) and I've not run across a single failure in ~100 sold.

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    1. Re:What I've known all along- by masoncooper · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think he was referring to being completely unable to hear the drive when the CPU fan runs. Whenever I had Western Digital drives, I could always hear them spinning. I now run a 60 & 80Gig Barracuda IV and can back his comment. You can NOT hear the thing run. They do tend to get a bit hot. My 80Gig is in a removable caddy and during heavy defragging it will reach 137 degrees F. I need to get it mounted in front of the fan!

    2. Re:What I've known all along- by DeathPenguin · · Score: 2, Informative

      Seagate owns. Those Barracuda IV's are one of the 'older' 80GB HDDs on the market and I still prefer them over new harddrives from Western Digital and Samsung. They're just well-built drives that I can depend on, as well as a number of my friends who have bought them. IBM's are still great too, but I'm uncertain as to what to think of Hitatchi's aquisition of IBM's hard drive technology.

      On a side note: NEVER EVER buy a Western Digital. Those are the most unreliable pieces of crap ever. I'm sorry if I sound like a troll, but I've personally seen more broken WD hard drives than all other brand HDDs combined.

    3. Re:What I've known all along- by tomhudson · · Score: 3, Informative
      My 80Gig is in a removable caddy and during heavy defragging it will reach 137 degrees F. </quote

      What you need to do RIGHT NOW is cut away most of the plastic from the bottom of the caddy, and not use the caddy's top. It'll run cooler, just from not being almost completely enclosed in plastic (those little slots they put in are so useless, and plastic is an insulator).

      Also, the top of the caddy tends to block the breather hole, voiding your warranty.

      Oh, and maybe move to a system that doesn't need defragging to improve performance (shameless plug for non-Windows OS of choice)

    4. Re:What I've known all along- by jandrese · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The problem is that everybody's sample set is too small to really make good reccomendations on this. Even people with computer labs or white box guys don't have anything close to a single percent of the number of drives at any time. For instance, I have two WD drives, an 800MB and a 2.1GB drive. Both still work great despite being abused for years. The Quantum drives however....

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    5. Re:What I've known all along- by glwtta · · Score: 2

      uh? A military jet also makes more noise than an HD, but that's hardly a compliment for the HD. For most people reading this the CPU fan is by far the loudest thing in the box.

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    6. Re:What I've known all along- by rodgerd · · Score: 2

      The IVs may be. I have some old first gen Fast SCSI 7200 RPM units. Loudest damn drives I've ever owned.

    7. Re:What I've known all along- by Alien+Being · · Score: 2

      Small samples, and short test times... Think about how manufacturers come up with numbers like 1 million hours MTBF.

      I once had about 20 model-x drives, 5 of which crashed in a 2 month period. They were all about 18 months old, ran 24x7 and were factory installed in RISC workstations. In 262,800 drive-hours we had five failures. The failure rate was 2000% of what it *should* have been, and the failures were not spread out over time. They just started popping. Other models of drives in the same type of workstation were doing just fine.

      The drive manufacturer told us "1,000,000 hours MTBF means that if you ran a million drives for 1 hour, you could expect 1 failure". In other words, it says absolutely nothing about what drives will do at 1 year old. In this case, it turned out that the heads were falling off the arms when the glue dried out. It was the type of failure they never could have considered in their MTBF guesstimates.

      You never know if it was a reliable design until it's obsolete :-(

    8. Re:What I've known all along- by TheLink · · Score: 2

      Yah mine's pretty quiet. I switched to the Barracuda from a Maxtor D740. The Barracuda is quieter. Though the Maxtor wasn't exceptionally noisy, I found the scratchy noise it makes annoying. So I use it for backing up the Barracuda.

      Doesn't your caddy come with a fan, or at least an option to add a fan to it? Mine has a small fan in the front.

      I'm wondering if I can tolerate the WD800JB/BB drives. Performance seems quite good. The Barracuda IVs are more middle of the road or even a tad slow.

      Link.

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    9. Re:What I've known all along- by TheLink · · Score: 2

      I have a Barracuda IV too- it's not that fast, but hey it's quiet :).

      On your side note:
      Don't judge a HDD by the brand alone. It's the model/batch that counts.

      I daresay all manufacturers have had products they'd rather the public forget about. Hopefully the manufacturers don't forget the experience, still even if they do all that testing, sometimes it takes actual time for things to show up. e.g. 9 women in one month, no baby, doesn't mean no baby after 9 months.

      IIRC, Seagate had a bad bunch quite a while ago. Maxtor around then too. WDs had a very bad batch after them. IBM had one fairly recently (GXP). Fujitsu is having one right now.

      Trouble is: seems MOST of them suddenly shifting to 1 year warranties. Not a good sign.

      So invest in backup if you haven't already.

      Note: If your data is more easily replaced than your HDD, then your HDD is actually being used as cache not storage. The criteria for cache backup is different from storage backup.

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  4. When it Slashdotted, here is the conclusion by ites · · Score: 5, Informative
    As evident from our benchmarks and the noise and heat production measurements the 80GB, Western Digital 800JB with 8MB cache and the 120GB, IBM 120GXP offer the best combination of performance, noise and heat levels. The IBM has our preference as it has the largest capacity and thus offers the best price/performance ratio.

    If you're looking for a good 7200-rpm harddisk then look no further than the Western Digital WD800BB, with 2MB cache, just a tad bit slower than the WD800JB which features 8MB of cache. The surprising newcomer is the Samsung SP8004H that scores well on all fronts and certainly deserves your attention too.

    Equally surprising was the performance of Western Digital's 400AB and 800AB, both 5400-rpm harddisks showed exceptional performance on par with all but the fastest 7200-rpm harddisks. If you're looking for an affordable, high-performance and yet silent 5400-rpm harddisk either of these will fit your needs exactly.

    If you're however looking for a harddisk that offers an impressive combination of performance and low noise then look no further than Seagate's ST380021A Barracuda IV, it really is an engineering marvel that combines the best of both worlds. No match for the IBM or Western Digital but a fair trade-off between performance and noise level.

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    1. Re:When it Slashdotted, here is the conclusion by Sokie · · Score: 3, Informative
      If you're however looking for a harddisk that offers an impressive combination of performance and low noise then look no further than Seagate's ST380021A Barracuda IV, it really is an engineering marvel that combines the best of both worlds. No match for the IBM or Western Digital but a fair trade-off between performance and noise level.

      I too have been very impressed by the Barracuda IV's, they are put near silent and come in nice round 20GB increments. I've built probably a dozen systems with various sizes of this drive in them and have yet to see one go flaky.

      As a white-box maker, performance isn't foremost in my selection criteria, reliability is and these Seagates are about the only drive I've used that I haven't had some sort of issue with. As an added bonus, they are usually $10-$15 cheaper than a Maxtor or WD of the same capacity and RPM.

      Just my experience...ymmv....

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    2. Re:When it Slashdotted, here is the conclusion by Jagasian · · Score: 2

      I would also recommend the Barracuda IV. It has good performance, and it is super quiet! I am using my Barracuda IV 80GB harddrive in my otherwise solid state Via Eden based PC. No fans, and the only moving parts are in the harddrive, which as stated is extremely quiet.

      My CRT makes more noise than my Eden + Barracuda IV computer.

  5. Heat, noise critical for non-computer applications by crow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you follow discussions at other forums for ReplayTV and TiVo owners, you already know that in that situation you don't really care about performance. A 5400rpm drive can easily handle the job. However, noise is critical, and hence, some of these systems don't have fans, making heat also critical--if you upgrade with a drive that runs hotter than the original, you're likely to have random failures.

    So this sort of review is wonderful, both for the information it provides, and for encouraging manufacturers to pay attention to these factors so that they will look good in the future.

  6. High-performance drives by bytesmythe · · Score: 2, Funny

    Good thing they did that report so they know what to replace their current drives with when we get done burning all their motors up.

    I'll bet that server is making some noise right now. WHHHHHHHRRRRRRR!!! *snap, crackle, pop*

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  7. Hmm by Sludge · · Score: 3, Informative

    This is a timely article, what with hard drive warranties having just been bumped from three years to one in a few of the leading brands (including Maxtor). Word is the WD w/ 8 meg cache still has 3 years.

  8. Ok, here's a question. by Dirtside · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you've ever played Dungeon Siege, you'll be familiar with the occasional sluggish framerate drop when you get near a new area, and the game starts dynamically loading the artwork and terrain resources for that area, giving the game its contiguous feel. Now I understand that SCSI hard drives have the ability to do non-blocking reads and writes, meaning that the CPU is able to keep processing while waiting for data from the hard drive. If what I think is true, then if I had a SCSI drive and played Dungeon Siege, the sluggishness when it loads new data would not occur, since the game would keep playing while it took a few seconds to load the data in the background.

    If this isn't true... then wouldn't it be cool if hard drives could do this? Having games get sluggish every time they have to load new artwork resources from disk is annoying as hell.

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    1. Re:Ok, here's a question. by back_pages · · Score: 2, Informative
      Um... Hard drives have been doing this for a long time. That's why you can open a huge file in one program yet keep your game of minesweeper running while you wait.

      The problem you describe will happen when the processor needs the data to continue processing and it isn't in memory yet. The solution to this would be more memory and programming to take advantage of it, in other words, transfering the data from the fixed disk to the memory early enough that the process doesn't wait for IO. That increases the memory footprint. People will complain about the footprint and they'll complain about waiting for IO, so pick a middle road and stick to it.

    2. Re:Ok, here's a question. by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ``the CPU is able to keep processing while waiting for data from the hard drive.''
      IDE drives can do this. It's called DMA.

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    3. Re:Ok, here's a question. by Cervantes · · Score: 2, Funny

      Don't complain. I remember back in the day (well, ok, more like the day after the day... after all, the day goes back sooo far....) when I'd use that load time as an indication that a big bad mob just got loaded or activated... the PC would slow down, and I'd either duck down or backpedal as a matter of instinct... Thats one of the little things that gets lost when we upgrade to big bad hax0r boxXxen, as the kiddies say these days.

      Course, these days I still do that as instinct in games, even though nowadays it's normally one of my background programs doing something. I get nailed for it on LAN parties, as people figured out they just had to start massive network activity on my PC to get me to turn back and hide behind a corner... normally when they were waiting there for me...

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    4. Re:Ok, here's a question. by thelexx · · Score: 2

      There are two things that would cause what you are noticing. One is the program actually suspending execution pending a complete read of a data set, and the other is stuttering due to the IRQ's firing for disk access. SCSI will eliminate the latter. Nothing will eliminate the former excepting caches bigger than your max data set, and then only when the cache is filled with the right data at the right time. It's probably a combination of the two that's doing it.

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    5. Re:Ok, here's a question. by thelexx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The CPU will still be interrupted by disk I/O IRQ's unless you use SCSI. Lots of discrete disk accesses means lots of interrupting, which is why SCSI is used nearly exclusively in server environments.

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    6. Re:Ok, here's a question. by timeOday · · Score: 2
      Nothing will eliminate the former excepting caches bigger than your max data set,
      A clever game would issue a nonblocking read (or a read from a different thread) either ahead of time (keeping an extra prefetched 'cusion' all around the user) or for nonessential data (i.e. why block the whole game just to read the next level of a mipmap - just use the low-res one until the bigger one is read in).

      I think maybe Falcon 4.0 did something like this, becuase sometimes the terraion would be untextured for a moment after turning directions sharply. Or maybe that was just one of the game's innumerable bugs.

    7. Re:Ok, here's a question. by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2

      Wrong. I just got my A+ certification and one of the common gotcha questions, tests your knowledge on cpu interrupts on ide vs scsi drives. DMA interrupts the chipset and not the cpu.

      However where scsi comes in is command queing. If you have multiple commands in parrel talking to a hard drive then the benifits of scsi come on. I believe ATA-raid does have some basic support for this but its not as powerfull as scsi and I believe it was this is what you might have been thinking.

      This makes scsi very appropriate in servers. However many mid and low range servers like apple's Xserver are fine with just ATA-raid with basic command queing. Databases however are another story.

      I was hoping to find noise information on scsi hard drives for my own system. Mainly for the benifit of 12k rpm's.

  9. Never thought this would matter. by Bonker · · Score: 2

    After all, when I use my PC, I'm plugged into a pair of headphones. Any noise my box makes is easily filtered out if not drowned out entirely. I don't work inside a data center (unlike some of my fellows), so moderation of headphone volume is the only thing I need to consider when I protect my hearing. PC and Harddrive noise shouldn't matter...

    That is, until I decided to put together a multimedia PC for use in my living room. A 52x CD spin-up is painfully loud during the quiet moments during a movie or my favorite anime. Don't even ask me about a hard-drive wake-up grind or cooling fans.

    In the end, my option was to hide the PC behind a soft fabric cover rather than to try to diminish the noise from the box.

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  10. testing rigs for hard drives by Alien54 · · Score: 2
    benchmarks are interesting, but it brings to mind other test tools.

    Are there test rigs for hard drives, etc that allow for basic functionality testing?

    I recently heard the sad tale of someone whose box was blown by lightning :( and of course they wondered if the drive was okay.

    on plugging the drive into another motherboard, murphy's law kicked in, and he was the proud owner of another dead motherboard.

    So are there test rigs that will allow for testing of drives at a basic level so that motherboards are not used as fuses? Probable uses include IT shops and repair shops.

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    1. Re:testing rigs for hard drives by MrResistor · · Score: 2

      Are there test rigs for hard drives, etc that allow for basic functionality testing?

      There are. I've never actually seen one, but I know they exist. I work in Customer Service Repair for a company that sells rebranded high-end RAIDs (that's not our core business, but it's one of the products I support). I know that our vendor has ways of doing these kind of tests, but we don't. It's something I've thought about, but our units have protection circuits so actual damage isn't an issue for us, it would just be a troubleshooting tool that would allow us to pin down some behavior we've observed.

      Anyway, most likely you'd have to build your own. An old, otherwise useless motherboard (anything new enough to have onboard IDE, all it has to do is spin it up) would likely do the trick, along with a power supply, an IDE cable, and maybe a couple of multimeters. You'd want to hack up the power supply and IDE cables to allow you to measure current on a few of the critical lines. You could also add some fuses or something for protection, if you're into that sort of thing.

      Anyway, my first guess in the situation you discribed is a current spike from the drive on spin-up. The rig I've discribed should test for that, and if you put a fuse on every line it should be a quick test (although you might go through a lot of fuses).

      That's my preliminary concept, anyway, I'm sure there are better ways to do it. It's unlikely I'll ever get around to building it, so feel free to steal my idea.

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  11. Re:isn't noise irrelevant? by kaden · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I personally care a lot about noise. I pick out my CPU fans, Hard drives and power supply/case fans based on "Which, under X decibals, provides the very best performance?". The difference between 99th percentile of cooling performance and 80th percentile usually means about 50% less noise with CPU fans.

  12. Improvement for noise? by phorm · · Score: 2

    Regardless of the current statistics, I think that hard drives have come a long way as far as noise production. I remember on a lot of my old PC's the huge amount of noise some of the hard-drives (old WD's and Maxtor's) used to make. I never needed to check the little indicator light to tell when my hard drive was whizzing away, you could hear it from the next room.

    I probably won't buy a hard-drive based on noise-factor (or possibly heat factor) alone if the price difference is significant. After the drives of 10 years back, most current models hum like music. When it's just humming away (no data-access clicking), the sound of a hard-drive can actually be somewhat relaxing.

    On an contrary note: I once worked in a testing lab that had about 40+ machines. When they were all running, the room hummed, but the noise was somewhat subliminal. Walking out of the room into a busy office, you definately noticed an increase in noise. On days I worked overtime however, leaving the lab to dead silence was quite noticable... I almost missed the conforting hum sometimes.

    Noise ratings on scanners/printers/CD-ROMS would be nice. These tend to be a lot more irritating than hard drives. Anyone know a site?

    1. Re:Improvement for noise? by phorm · · Score: 2

      The hum is ok.
      It's the high-pitched screech that you really don't want to hear on any hard-drive that's in use. It's often precluded by a rapid tick-tick-tick wherein the needle would bounce off the platter a few times before finally scatching a nice scratch across the surface.

      Besides being generally unpleasant to listen to, it's the sound of doom for your data on that drive. Where are those old 1GB/2GB drives at on their warrantee period? :-)

  13. Western Digital?? by bytesmythe · · Score: 5, Interesting
    From the article:
    Equally surprising was the performance of Western Digital's 400AB and 800AB, both 5400-rpm harddisks showed exceptional performance on par with all but the fastest 7200-rpm harddisks. If you're looking for an affordable, high-performance and yet silent 5400-rpm harddisk either of these will fit your needs exactly.

    I have setup many systems (mainly Dells) that ship with Western Digital HDs. A large number of those drives failed very soon thereafter. When Dell came to replace the drives, they were replaced with Maxtors.

    Also, here is a snippet from Gibson Research regarding their SpinRite product.

    Note: We no longer purchase Western Digital drives, even though their retail point of sale packaging is pretty and the drives are inexpensive. We decided that reliability is more important than a pretty box and saving a few bucks, so we've switched over to Quantum drives exclusively, and have been having much better luck ... so far.

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    1. Re:Western Digital?? by UncleOzzy · · Score: 3, Informative

      Amen to that. You'll notice that they give high marks to the WD800BB (7200RPM, 80GB, 2MB cache). I bought this drive last March, and it served me well: fast and reasonably quiet. However, in July, it died. Corrupted boot sector, various bad sectors, etc.

      Unfortunately, this was not a one-off manufacturing error. A friend purchased the same drive about a month later, and his died the same crash-and-burn death as mine about two weeks later. Sounds like these drives just suck. I'm using the replacement they sent me, but only until I can get the scratch together to replace it with a Seagate.

      Caveat emptor on these suckers.

    2. Re:Western Digital?? by badvictor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I wouldn't lump the entire line of drives from a single company into a category of "Bad Drives." Western Digital has many flavors of drives for different applications. I've been using their top-of-the-line JB and BB series drives for the last few years under very strenious conditions in database servers and IDE RAID configurations and they have fared exceptionally well.

    3. Re:Western Digital?? by gazbo · · Score: 2, Informative
      But then it is worth remembering that Mr. Gibson is an alarmist who talks an awful lot of self-indulgent crap.

      Remember, if he were to be believed the Intarweb would no longer exist due to non-superuser raw sockets in Windows XP. Oh, and he still has the "next generation" DDoS attack article up, detailing the next generation attack and his wonderous solution. Even though the problem had been encountered and solved many moons ago, the solution being far more comprehensive and elegant.

    4. Re:Western Digital?? by fandelem · · Score: 2, Informative

      My father bought the identical drive you speak of one month ago, and it *refuses* to be the main partition to run an OS. If you do, it just utterly fails at random points during installation/usage. When you make it a slave, it seems to work as anticipated.

      In another light, I've purchased quite a few IBM Deskstar's (80gig, 120gig) and haven't had a problem yet -- and they are doing hardcore 1-5mb/sec transfer 24/7.

      k.

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    5. Re:Western Digital?? by spongman · · Score: 2

      yup, I'm a big fan of the JBs. I have two stiped in my dev machine and they scream (speed, not sound).

    6. Re:Western Digital?? by elmegil · · Score: 2

      For the contrary viewpoint, I've been using WD drives for about 3 years for all my upgrades, and I haven't yet had a reliability problem with the disks. This is for 40G, 60G, 80G drives, consumer grade off the shelf from Best Buy or Micro Warehouse or whatever.

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    7. Re:Western Digital?? by Saeger · · Score: 2
      I had a nearly identical failure: I bought the WD120BB in March, and it failed in August. I reverted back to my old IBM 20GB Deskstar (which was supposed to be the failure-prone drive), and waited a month for my replacement which I can only hope is of higher quality (statistically).

      I've had many Caviar drives before this one that lasted for years, but I'm ditching this iffy drive for a Maxtor 320gig early next year - the warranty's for both may only be 1 year now, but I'd rather not have to deal with the hassle of a yearly RMA.

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    8. Re:Western Digital?? by tupps · · Score: 2

      I had one of these, to be used as a scratch/non important junk area on a file server. The first one didn't make it through 1 format, before dieing.

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  14. Obligatory SlashDotted Comment... by suss · · Score: 4, Funny

    I wonder what their server's harddisk temperature is right now... did they actually post this to slashdot on purpose?

  15. Help choosing drive by nizo · · Score: 2

    Sadly, the site has been slashdotted into oblivion, so I need the help of those who have seen the site. I miss the cicada like whining of the drive from my old vaxstation, which drive would help bring back that sense of nostalgia? Also, extra heat output would be great since it is almost winter again here in the states.

  16. Variable Speed? by scott1853 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why not develop a speedy drive that can slow itself down if it starts to generate too much heat or if it's not being used (as opposed to shutting it completely off)? I assume it's probably much easier to create a single speed motor than a variable speed one, but what would the disadvantages be?

    Of course there may not be any true advantages to such a thing either, although I tend to think that if could run about 4 times faster than normal for 10 second while it loads a single big file it might be worth it. There's also a chance that these alredy exist and I'm just out of the loop ;)

    1. Re:Variable Speed? by brooks_talley · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I see a couple of problems here. Not to say it can't be done, of course, but it's not going to be that easy:

      - Bit densities are getting so high that minor fluctuations in drive speed could cause all sorts of read/write errors.

      - All operating systems that I've ever used seem to hit the disk periodically during idle time. In order to get the benefit here, you'd have to have some threshold for activity before spinning up. However, that could be catastrophic for any kind of real-time app, like video encoding. Allowing the drive to spin down would limit the kinds of apps you could use.

      It's definitely an interesting idea, but I think it may fall into the causes-more-problems-than-it-solves category.

      Cheers
      -b

    2. Re:Variable Speed? by Captain+Morgan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why not develop a speedy drive that can slow itself down if it starts to generate too much heat or if it's not being used (as opposed to shutting it completely off)? I assume it's probably much easier to create a single speed motor than a variable speed one, but what would the disadvantages be?

      The heads in your hard drive fly above the surface of the media due to the circulating air inside of the harddrive. Typically the heads are also engineered to fly at a specified height at all times given a specified amount of air moving through the drive. If you slowed the drive down the head would most likely fly lower or not fly at all, this would be quite bad for your data and the head.

      Hard drive spindle motors are variable speed and are typically servo controlled for speed. Adjusting the speed wouldn't be a big deal except for the above.

    3. Re:Variable Speed? by scott1853 · · Score: 2

      That's something that's always bugged me. Why is it that the heads are allowed enough flexibility to touch the heads in the first place? Why not make them rigid enough so they stay in a fixed location relative to the platter regardless of air movement?

    4. Re:Variable Speed? by scott1853 · · Score: 2

      That didn't come out right:

      "Why is it that the heads are allowed enough flexibility to touch the platters in the first place."

    5. Re:Variable Speed? by Anonymous+Cow+herd · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why not have vacuum in the harddrives? Why air at all?? (or am I missing some fundamental physics here? ;))

      Yeah... you need the air in the HD case because it's used to generate the 'air cushion' that the disk head rides on (think hovercraft) and keeps the head from crashing into the plate. I don't think it's possible to develop a mechanical system that would keep the head from crashing into the disk...

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    6. Re:Variable Speed? by Fweeky · · Score: 2

      Probably because the head assembly needs to be nice and light for it to be flung across the platters in 10ms flat by a fairly cheap mechanism. There can't be much leeway to make it *that* rigid, given how close the heads fly over the platters.

      You might be ok under normal operation, but I'd really want all the airflow it can get when I crack my knee on the desk and shock the whole thing :)

    7. Re:Variable Speed? by Captain+Morgan · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's something that's always bugged me. Why is it that the heads are allowed enough flexibility to touch the heads in the first place? Why not make them rigid enough so they stay in a fixed location relative to the platter regardless of air movement?

      Like other people have replied already, tolerances are the issue. The gap between the head and disk during operation of the drive is crazy small. The wobble in the spindle bearing is easily more than this gap, if your head was in a fixed position at one point it would be too far away from the surface to operate, at another it would be digging into the surface. The only real solution is to have it fly above the surface. If it flies too high then there won't be enough lift and it will fly lower, if it flies too low then there will be extra lift so it flies higher. It is a continuously adjusting system based on the flow of air in the drive and it certainly works quite well. I don't think any harddrive today could be built with a fixed height head, there just isn't enough precision in a device as large as a harddrive.

  17. [Pun about thinking outside the box] by back_pages · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I'm a complete amateur when it comes to case design, so this may be a moronic question. Nevertheless, I brazenly forge ahead.

    Has anyone built a case that wasn't made out of thin sheets of metal? What if you made a case filled with sound insulation such as styrofoam or eggshell foam, leaving only the air intake/exhaust vents exposed?

    Seems to me that so much money is being spent on making PC components quiet, presumably so we can nuzzle our faces next to the motherboard and take a nap, but why can't we just isolate the sound inside the box? It's my -novice- understanding of airflow design that little or no heat is dissipated by using a metal box; the heat is transfered through the moving air. Well, keep the air moving and soundproof the case.

    Is this a stupid idea? Maybe it's like my idea to make a solar powered, weather balloon lifted, permanently high altitude platform for launching space missions - a fool proof and economical plan for capitalist conquest! I just need to develop an attention span and find some fundin-- HEY! Something shiny!

    1. Re:[Pun about thinking outside the box] by rusty0101 · · Score: 2

      One of the sources of noise in a computer is the exhaust fan on the power supply. Many ATX cases also have a secondary exhaust fan below the power supply on tower format cases. These fans are the loudest source of noise on most systems, though they are generally a constant source, so they are not likely to be as noticed.

      Because of the nature of sound, unless you build a noise canceling system around the powersupply and case exhaust fans, in addition to insulating your case, you are unlikely to significantly improve the noise around your system.

      You also need to consider that some souces of noise, for example a high speed CD-ROM drive are going to generate noise, and are not easily insulated, without taking out the necessary feature of being able to insert and remove CDs.

      For an entertainment center, you may want to custom build a case that has noise damping built in, as well as using slower speed hard drive and CD-Rom drives.

      But that's just my opinion, I've been wrong before.

      -Rusty

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    2. Re:[Pun about thinking outside the box] by miracle69 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I've got a case in my living room that I use to access my mp3 server.

      I've replaced all the fans with Silencer fans (can't remember where I purchased them, but they were about 10 bucks a pop). I replaced the power supply fan with a silencer fan, added a second case fan, and changed the processor fan to a silencer fan - all rated at 26 dB, IIRC. I then added Dynamat to the inside of the case using their system. The machine is much quieter now. You can't hear the fans over the gentle gurgle of the fish tank nearby.

      For my mp3 server, I picked up 5 120 GB WD 5400 HDs from Frys ($99 a pop a few weeks ago) as well as the 3 fan bay coolers for each drive ($15 bucks a pop). I ran the system without the fans briefly, and the top drive was extremely hot. Using the Antec bay coolers, they are all much cooler to the touch. The machine makes a noticible hum, but it sits tucked away in a cool closet, so noise isn't much of an issue there. I was, however, surprised at how quiet the machine was even with all the bay fans (15 bay fans alone, then a power supply and two processor fans (dual proc system)). Laminar flow reduces noise...

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  18. I suppose more people should know about.. by spinkham · · Score: 5, Informative

    storagereview.com
    Huge database of very indepth reviews on hard drives. Scsi, ide, 5400-15000rpm.. Basically everything, with noise, temperature, and a few different benchmarks for different usage conditions.
    Definatly the best resource I've found for hard drive tests. I always consult this site before a hard drive purchase.

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  19. Heat production and power consumption. by ergo98 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One thing that could be improved on many of these quantitative reviews is if they quit relying upon surface temperature probes (which is HORRIBLY unreliable. A slightly grainy texture would make the drive appear much cooler because of reduced heat transfer), and instead go right to the source: Power consumption. Is it so hard to measure the current on the 5 and 12V inputs, and deriving an actual power consumption metric for the drive? Not only is this valuable as it absolutely directly relates to heat, but it additionally is useful for those building low power rigs.

    Anyways, just a thought.

    1. Re:Heat production and power consumption. by red_dragon · · Score: 2

      Drive manufacturers already provide this kind of information on the data sheets for their products. For example, the data sheet for the Seagate Barracuda ATA IV drives says that the current draw for that drive is 2.8 amps @ 12 VDC and 1.2 amps @ 5 VDC (same numbers for all capacities). It even indicates the typical power consumption during seek, read/write, idle, and standby.

      Thus, as you can see, there's no need to stick an ammetre into the power leads when you can read a piece of paper (or a web page) to figure this stuff out.

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    2. Re:Heat production and power consumption. by Ioldanach · · Score: 2

      One thing that could be improved on many of these quantitative reviews is if they quit relying upon surface temperature probes (which is HORRIBLY unreliable.

      Power consumption doesn't directly relate to heat, since the use and dispersion patterns internal to the drive could make a world of difference. I'd suggest using something like these products, from Raytek, which take heat readings in a noncontact method from a distance. For example, this product has a ratio that indicates at 4" away it'll read a 1" area spot. (so, to read a 3.5" drive, you'd want it 14" away from the drive) There are also fixed-installation products more ideal for a testing environment, with a fixed probe and a remote or computer interfaced monitor.
    3. Re:Heat production and power consumption. by jridley · · Score: 2

      Does this take into account heat dissipation? I don't think so. This is only a measure of heat generation. If the drive is able to dump heat to the air efficiently where it can be dumped to the outside via a fan, then that's different than generating the heat and retaining it.

      Some people will want both numbers. If you're building a system with very little ventilation, you don't even want the heat generated in the first place. But if you're just looking for reliability of the drive, maybe generating heat is OK if the drive can keep its temperature down.

  20. Forget everything else, try IBM 305 RAMAC by jukal · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Earth, 1956 AC, IBM 305 RAMAC:
    The 350 Disk File consisted of a stack of fifty 24" discs that can be seen to the left of the operator in the above picture. The capacity of the entire disk file was 5 million 7-bit characters, which works out to about 4.4 MB in modern parlance. This is about the same capacity as the first personal computer hard drives that appeared in the early 1980's, but was an enormous capacity for 1956. IBM leased the 350 Disk File for a $35,000 annual fee.

  21. My Terabyte of Hard Drives by SexyKellyOsbourne · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm one of the growing number of people who have an entire TERABYTE -- yes, an entire TERABYTE of hard drives; 9 Western Digital Special Edition 120GB's, to be exact, for $1500 total.

    I've downloaded and installed EVERYTHING (6 different OS's, too) I can find and so far have used only about 800GB or so :)

    I'm glad they're starting to review noise as a factor, since with the extra cooling installed, the computer sounds almost like a vacuum cleaner, especially with the 550W power supply it takes to power the things. The drives individaully would be really quiet, but with all the cooling and such I have installed, it's almost as loud as this miniature fan I keep nearby.

    The fans drown out the crunching when people are grabbing everything off every hd on p2p programs, but all the noise is still worth it when I can call forth any song, music video, movie, or just about anything else at a whim.

    1. Re:My Terabyte of Hard Drives by PHAEDRU5 · · Score: 2

      When I saw you could get these for $150 at CompUSA (after all the rebates), that was the first thought in my head.

      Mind you, I didn't go there for lack of cash, but I did get two to set up a RAID configuration so my video editing would flyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!

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    2. Re:My Terabyte of Hard Drives by NeMon'ess · · Score: 2

      If you have the money for all that, build a wooden enclosure for the system. Have a hinged door on the front for access, and cut a four or five inch hole on the bottom of the door. Run a five inch wide flexible hose to the next room over, or outside. Wrap the hose in foam to block the sound. At the end of the hose, attach a blower powerful enough for your needs. In the back of the case use more wood and insulated tubing. Cut a hole out for the cables. Pack that opening with foam.

      Of course if you've been dealing with your vacuuum cleaner this long it doesn't sound like you're about to try this.

  22. Speed = wrong direction by Wolfier · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Honestly - I do not feel the need of anything faster than the slowest 5400 RPM HDD for now - my PC has gobloads of RAM and I can make use 128MB-per-HDD as buffer. Easily.

    What worries me is, the faster you spin, the more catastrophic a failure is.

    What I DO care about, is reliability and shock resistance. If anyone sells a reliable HDD that would survive 5-inch drop and still operate with all my data intact, I'll buy it in a heartbeat.

    Compared to my data, the HDD and the theoretical time that can be saved with higher speed worth REALLY little. Almost nothing.

    1. Re:Speed = wrong direction by Kintanon · · Score: 2

      What I DO care about, is reliability and shock resistance. If anyone sells a reliable HDD that would survive 5-inch drop and still operate with all my data intact, I'll buy it in a heartbeat.

      This is why I buy seagate. I transport my machine a lot, frequently in the back of pickup trucks. Last time I was moving it it came unmoored and did 3 or 4 cartwheels across the back of the truck and slammed into the other side. Other than some very very small dents and scratches it came through it fine. I had 3 HDs in there, all Seagate. They all worked fine when I powered the machine up later. I like Seagate because all of the drives I have from them have this neat rubber case kind of thing around the. It really does seem to help when you are rough on your HDs.

      Kintanon

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    2. Re:Speed = wrong direction by Kintanon · · Score: 2

      LOL! I think that might be something to do with SUN boxes. I think they are unlucky. They two E250s I've worked with have been total POS machines.

      Kintanon

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    3. Re:Speed = wrong direction by Wolfier · · Score: 2

      I do have backups. But having a reliable HDD really gives peace of mind, and would open up a lot of possibilities like putting it in an offroad vehecle.

      For the power cable...ew...I believe anyone who value his/her data should at least get a UPS with a 10 minutes supply.

      It can easily be the best $80 computer money I've ever spent.

  23. Re:On the other hand. by scotch · · Score: 3, Funny
    Oh look, a disagreement between a couple anonymous cowards - wow, this is really getting exciting!!!

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  24. Why no RAM -- IDE Devices? by affegott · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why hasn't anyone developed a device that has DIMM slots for PCXXXX RAM and an IDE/Firewire/USB interface on it?

    Seems like that would be the way to go... stick a battery on it, and give it an external power supply... then you have VERY fast and extremely reliable storage. (As long as it is powered).

    I have had enough hard drives fail that I would love to have one... maybe once MRAM comes out these devices will start popping up.

    Ryan

    1. Re:Why no RAM -- IDE Devices? by ptudor · · Score: 5, Informative

      Platypus Technology does make something similar. They have both internal PCI and external enclosures to just hold sticks of ram; some models have stadard hard drives for times of power loss. Unfortunately under linux it requires a kernel module (and at the time I was using them, if I upgraded the kernel the company had to compile a new module to match). They fly though, they're sooo fast. Really nice for my mail queues.

    2. Re:Why no RAM -- IDE Devices? by zulux · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Good idea, but once you implement it, be sure to benchmark it:

      I had a PostreSQL database that was acting a bit slow on a FreeBSD box - and I had the bright idea: Hey! It must be the hard-drive that's holding the things up. So I created a file system in memory and put my PostgreSQL databse in the memory based 'disk.'

      My fstab: /dev/ad0s1b /nbt/mfs mfs rw,-s131072 0 0

      Imagine my suprise when over a four minute benchmarking session, the memory based disk only shaved off two seconds!

      The moral of the story - if you have a good operating system (not Windows), then the added memory is probably better used by the computer itself than by creating a memory based disk. Modern OS do a great job of caching things.

      If you have a sucky OS - like Windows, than this doesen't apply.

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    3. Re:Why no RAM -- IDE Devices? by RealAlaskan · · Score: 2, Informative
      Why hasn't anyone developed a device that has DIMM slots for PCXXXX RAM and an IDE/Firewire/USB interface on it?

      Probably because hard drives (ide, anyway) cost about a buck a gigabyte. SDRAM costs about a buck a megabyte; maybe a little more once you add a power supply and an interface. But, look here and here . The first is pretty much what you're looking for, I think, and the second is a bit more cost effective.

    4. Re:Why no RAM -- IDE Devices? by affegott · · Score: 2

      Speed isn't my biggest concern... it is reliability. HD are one of last mechanical parts of the PC left... it would be nice to kiss the mechanical part good bye...

    5. Re:Why no RAM -- IDE Devices? by affegott · · Score: 2

      These guys look like they have a nice product, but I assume it will be a little pricey...

      http://www.bitmicro.com/products_edide.html

    6. Re:Why no RAM -- IDE Devices? by affegott · · Score: 2

      What's the damage on one of those... they look expensive.

      The PCI interface is nice, but IDE would be cooler... only because it could use a regular IDE driver...

      Those cards do look REALLY nice...

    7. Re:Why no RAM -- IDE Devices? by affegott · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Thousands isn't _that_ bad... but it would be a sure deal if they were around $500. :-)

      How much power do they draw? How long could a fairly small (300VA) UPS keep it going?

      Just wondering, maybe you have experience with that...

    8. Re:Why no RAM -- IDE Devices? by zulux · · Score: 2

      Speed isn't my biggest concern... it is reliability. HD are one of last mechanical parts of the PC left... it would be nice to kiss the mechanical part good bye..

      Another thing to consider, and it may be an urban legand, is that apparently cosmic rays have enough enrgy to randomly twiddle a bit in RAM. This problem is agrivated by the lower voltages used in moder memory as well a density. I've heard that you can expect one bit change per month per 128 megs at low altitude.

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    9. Re:Why no RAM -- IDE Devices? by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 2

      If you have a sucky OS - like Windows, than this doesen't apply.

      Have you benchmarked this with a Windows OS, or are you just taking an unfounded cheap shot at Microsoft?

      I can't vouch for Windows' memory mapping model myself, but without supporting evidence your comment seems to be little more than "UNIX ROX, WINBLOWS SUX"

    10. Re:Why no RAM -- IDE Devices? by afidel · · Score: 2

      This is NOT an urban legend, and is much of the reason for ECC ram and using older computers on the space shuttle. For more info look into the background of IBM's chipkill memory moduls, one of their white papers lists research IBM has done going back to before the PC on the effects of cosmic rays on integrated circuits.

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    11. Re:Why no RAM -- IDE Devices? by zulux · · Score: 2


      Have you benchmarked this with a Windows OS, or are you just taking an unfounded cheap shot at Microsoft?


      I've benchmarked pleanty of databases in many environments, and it's not just a cheap pot-shot at Microsoft - their Operating systems are simply geared toward graphical interaction with a single local trusted user. I happliy use their OS for my some of my workstations, but just as I woulden't recomend KDE 3.1 to my 5 year old cousin, I don't recommend Microsoft for servers, and especially database servers.

      Untill Windows 2000 - Microsoft operating systems diden't use memory well, and Windows XP has a notable problem with SCSII hardware. It's slower than hardened snot. In addition - setting the things up takes much longer than installing any of the free unix varients.

      There's a lot of things that Microsoft does well - cheap IDEs, featurefull office tools and video games, but they just don't have their act together as far as servers goes.

      Perhaps 10 years ago, when your chouce for inexpensive servers was Windows NT or, well, Novell - Microsoft could be considered. But not faced with FreeBSD for file and database, and OpenBSD for firewalls and Linux for web servers.
      All of them cheap and good.

      Given a finite budget, a FreeBSD database server with will always be faster than a comparable Windows server - simply because with the savings in licencing fees - you can buy more RAM for the FreeBSD box. Even without this advangtage, FreeBSD does a better job under heavy load. Hell - Microsoft still to this day runs the majority of their Hotmail service with FreeBSD, even though they would love to use their own product.

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    12. Re:Why no RAM -- IDE Devices? by affegott · · Score: 2

      Don't RAID controllers use the PCI bus?

    13. Re:Why no RAM -- IDE Devices? by Ed+Avis · · Score: 2

      Or you could just stick insane amounts of RAM in your system, and get almost everything cached. Or perhaps not so insane these days - one gigabyte should be more than enough to have a disk cache of every file used for typical desktop / end-user tasks. Then you can set your disk to spin down after an hour of inactivity, and leave your box running for a long period. After a while most things should be cached.

      The problem with this is disk writes. The disk must spin up to write data - and that includes the last access time on each file read. A write-back cache help, but not by any significant amount, and journalling makes it worse since every write must be committed to the journal immediately (ie, before the system call returns).

      What I'd like to see is a way to put the journal on a separate disk, and update the main disk only infrequently. I have a 120 megabyte 2.5inch disk lying around, which should be nice and quiet. I'd like to tell ext3 to use this smaller drive as the journal file for my main disk, and importantly, only to flush the journal to disk when it really has to. So in typical use your big disk could spin down, and then the 2.5inch device would fill up with maybe a hundred megs of disk writes before the large disk needed to be spun up again for them to be committed. This would be hopeless for most servers, of course, but on a desktop it might work.

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    14. Re:Why no RAM -- IDE Devices? by affegott · · Score: 2

      You are missing my point... the RAM way would be far less prone to failure. Remember that /. article about google using tons of RAM and no HD's... Hard Drives fail far too often.

      When is the last time you had a stick of RAM die? As long as it is powered, it would work. Speed and low latency would just be perks.

      Keeping it powered would be an issue, but not a big one. The "drive" could have an internal battery and be fed from an external power supply.

      Using RAM over flash has advantages too... flash wears out, RAM doesn't (or at least nowhere near as fast :-).

      Later.

  25. Page One by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    IntroductionBy: Sander Sassen

    A modern harddisk is not that different, mechanically, from the first generation of harddisks that debuted with the IBM PC in the '80s. Today's harddisks are also mechanical parts that use spinning platters and read/write heads to store or read information from them. That also explains why harddisks haven't seen the rapid pace of innovation as for example CPUs have; simply because the mechanics are holding the harddisk back from making similar leaps in performance. But to be honest that's not entirely accurate, modern harddisks could be substantially faster, but not without either driving up the price significantly or introducing unwanted side effects.

    One of these side effects is excessive noise; because a harddisk has a number of spinning and moving parts it is virtually impossible to make a harddisk noiseless. Anything you'll do to counter the noise will either influence the performance, drive up the price, or make the harddisk physically larger. For example one way to reduce the noise would be to reduce the rpm of the platters which would mean we'd end up with a slower harddisk overall. And vice versa, by increasing the rpm of the platters we'll get a better performing harddisk but the noise level will also increase.

    Naturally we could counter the noise production by adding sound insulation. Unfortunately insulation is not the preferred way of tackling the noise production as it'll make the harddisk physically larger, and thus leave less room for storage capacity. Furthermore it also works as an insulator for the heat produced by the harddisk, which would then cut into the harddisk's MTBF, Mean Time Before Failure. That actually brings us to the second unwanted side effect of high-performance harddisks and that's excessive heat production.

    Modern IDE harddisks feature platters that revolve at either 5400 or 7200-rpm and thus revolve at about half the speed of the fastest SCSI harddisks that top out at 15.000-rpm. The main difference is that these SCSI harddisks are used in professional applications such as database servers where noise- and heat production are second to performance, and thus these levels are substantially higher than consumer level products. In consumer level PCs however heat production is becoming an increasingly important issue. PCs continue to get smaller and CPUs on average dissipate more than 50-watts of heat, so the system temperature will rise significantly if a harddisk is mounted with excessive heat production. In the following pages we'll take a look at all recent 5400 and 7200-rpm harddisks from IBM, Maxtor, Western Digital, Seagate and Samsung with a focus on noise and heat production as well as overall performance.
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  26. 5400 rpm disks are becoming extinct by Stackster · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "[7200 rpm disks] are generally too costly, or a bit overkill, for mundane office applications such as word processing or sending emails"

    I'm having enough trouble just finding 5400 rpm disks. The performance (speed-wise) is more than enough for me, and I'd rather go with cool and quiet. The cost difference between 5400 and 7200 drives is marginal (a few bucks).
    The thing is, there aren't many 5400 rpm disks around anymore and only sizes up to 80 GB. I'd rather have one big disk than two or three small ones (both heat and noise adds up), but I can't find any 5400 rpm disks at, say, 120GB or so, while 7200 rpm disks are available up to 200GB or so. And as long as the 7200 rpm drives are as hot and noisy as they are, I would rather have 5400 rpm disks.
    Perhaps there are larger 5400 rpm disks, but I have yet to see them at any reseller nearby.

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  27. I long for the days.... by d3vpsaux · · Score: 2, Funny

    ....when the sounds of IBM's 20MB drive reading or writing could be felt in your teeth...

    Ahh, those were the days.

  28. Re:Western Digital == JUNK by c13v3rm0nk3y · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's interesting how anecdotal (but informed) evidence like this always seems to run from absolute bad to absolute good.

    Back in the Good Old Days, I worked for an engineering firm that had a Northstar mini with a CP/M console. The console talked to the Northstar and made paper tapes that would be fed into CNC machines to make big steel widgets. It took 8-inch floppies. Other support boxes took 5.25-inch floppies.

    At one point we started to have constant data failures on the Verbatim floppies we were using. Disks would just die, or would not take a write the first time. We kept throwing them out, and went through cases of them. Eventually we threw out the rest of the boxes of verbatim and switched to Dysan and the problems just went away.

    Of course, I never used Verbatim again. I won't even use their optical media.

    I now assume that this was just one of those truly random, "Estimated Mean Time Between Failures" issues, and not everyone was experiencing such a high failure rate.

    I mean, I've been using the same two Western Digital drives for years now. Right now, one of my years-old 2Gb drives is in my firewall/webserver where it gets daily constant abuse. We've also used them at work, and they don't seem to fail more than the other brands we have.

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  29. Re:isn't noise irrelevant? by panurge · · Score: 2

    Noise means that energy is being wasted somewhere and is created by vibration. Although the relationship may not be simple, you might expect that the lower noise a drive has, the better its reliability. As an example, a fluidic bearing should be quieter than a ball bearing because there are no parts showing a combination of rolling, sliding and knocking between clearances.

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  30. Storagereview.com does this by MightyTribble · · Score: 2, Redundant
    ...I was just there, and have ordered a shiny new WD800JB based on this review.

    And they include heat and noise reports in their excellent reviews. Highly recommended for any HDD purchase.

  31. Re:isn't noise irrelevant? by jridley · · Score: 2

    Uh, no. I have a couple of servers for which I just need a bunch of space. I don't give a DAMN about performance; they could all be ATA-33 for all I care. I want them quiet, cool, and reliable.
    It's about time someone did this review (hopefully someday soon I'll be able to read it, when it's not /.'d anymore.)

  32. New at this, aren't you? by fmaxwell · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Forgive me if I'm missing the point, but I can't see that choosing a hard disk on its noise production is in any way sensible.

    Noise is damned important in many applications. TiVo, for instance, needs lots of capacity, but speed is not a critical issue. Any modern 5,400RPM drive is more than sufficient. Who wants to watch a movie and listen to a loud whine from a disc drive? Also, since TiVos tend to live in "entertainment centers" and have limited cooling, heat is a big concern.

    Another good example is my firewall machine. It runs my mail server, FTP server, and web server. It performs NAT for my network. The a-number-1 thing that I want from that machine (outside of reliability) is quiet. None of the applications on that machine get much action. My web server is a private page that lets me look at my system temperatures and voltages -- so it does not generate a lot of hits. The mail server serves me and a few freinds. But the machine is in my office running 24/7. I don't want to hear a loud hard drive, nor do I want to put six fans in the case to extract heat. So I run a slow, low wattage Duron (650mhz) and a 20GB, 5,400RPM hard drive.

    It's all additive. The machine on which I work is loud enough because of my "need-for-speed." It's got multiple fans, hard drives, etc. And it sounds like it. The quieter I can make the other machines, the better off I will be.

  33. Quiet computing tips by Cervantes · · Score: 3, Interesting
    After years of doing custom case mods, here's a few tips I've used over the years to make quieter computers:

    {* Disclaimer - if you accidentally duct tape your CPU fan and your PSU inlets, please try and smother the flames with your body because (1) No one else should be hurt because of your "specialness", and (2) You'll be doing all of us a favour. Either way, don't blame me. *}

    The easiest fix: Take some foam padding, preferably the antistatic kind that most hardware ships in these days, and line your case panels with a layer or two. It'll cut down on a good portion of the noise, and it'll improve your airflow (you didn't really think that air was supposed to go through those decorative holes, did you?) Be sure to keep it thin on the back side, next to the mobo. I know it says antistatic on the box, but do you really want anything touching your mobo?

    Next, replace your damn PSU. Standard ones are way too damn noisy. I don't have any links handy (I'm at work), but they are plentiful and easy to find. Oh, and say "damn" alot. It helps.

    Getting more in-depth, remove your peripheral drives (CD, HD, etc), and put them back in with rubber washers both between the drive and case, and between the screw and case. It cuts down on vibrations significantly.

    Tie up your loose cables. Sounds silly, but I've found that in several systems with significant airflow, they were either moving around or causing turbulence. Either make or buy rounded IDE cables for the best flow.

    If you have a very noisy harddrive, yank it from that small and normally loose 3 1/2" bracket and put it in one of your 5 1/4" bays with the help of drive brackets. Insulate around it with antistatic foam padding, use rubber washers, put an ultraquiet mini fan behind it, set to pull air(that old socket 7 fan you have lying around will do just fine). Finally, remove the bezel in front of it, drill some small holes for airflow, insulate with foam padding (remove the padding around the holes ((yes, it is sad that I have to point that out)) ), and pop it back in. Voila! Thicker padding to cut down on sound, it's in the 5 1/4" drive section, which I find is much sturdier and less prone to rattle, and the fan will keep it cooler than it would have been before.

    Consider dropping that 52x CD. Sure, it's impressive, but you install all your games with max install, right? (right??) Or better yet, go buy software that will copy your CD to the HD and then subst the directory to a drive letter. Voila! CD at HD speeds. Replace the 52 with something more conservative, and you'll notice a big difference (and lower spinup time)

    crud, "subst", I just dated myself...

    Consider spring-mount screws for your case fans. I have a whole bag of them, but I'll be darned if I can remember who made them. They're basically just a short metal or plastic spring with a screw at each end. One end screws into the hole on the fan, the other into the case, voila, instant buffer against vibrations.

    If things are still too bad for you, consider an external case mod. The quietest I ever did was to replace all of the metal panels on the case with 1/2" beechwood (damn, but it was pretty), but not all of us have the time and patience to work up something like that. The easiest is to take your panels off, and slap some starch/water paste on them. Next, take some thick cloth (or a few layers of thin cloth, if you feel the need to be difficult), load it up with the paste, and then just slap it on your panel. Make sure it's all wrinkly and folded n' chit. Let it dry, and the cloth should stick on just fine, adding another layer of sound barrier for ya. DISCLAIMER 1: This has been known not to stick on some of the new, shiny, smooth cases. DISCLAIMER 2: Take the panels off of your PC BEFORE you start slathering them with starch. Or, at the very least, remember to turn your PC off first. ;-)

    Finally, try putting your PC on a phone book or something similar. Sounds silly, but it dulls the noise that resonates into the floor/desk. If it makes a difference for you, then build something more permanant for your case to sit on (or, at the very least, give it some ultracool extra-long legs like the AT-AT Walkers from Star Wars.... complete with little lazer guns on the CD drive... )

    Lastly, note that a heckuvalot of the noise you hear could be from your monitor, too. But I will avoid monitor mods for today, lest some yahoo stick a phillips through his tube and show up at my doorstep, ready to share the tale. (it's happened, and I swear he was still smoking).

    Hope this helps!

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  34. What is it with these rpm speeds? by debest · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why is it that all of these manufacturers use the same 5400 and 7200 rpm speeds for their drives? Why couldn't one manufacturer put out their drives at, say, 6000 and 8000 rpm (from a marketing standpoint, this would be beneficial: kind of like Intel using MHz as a benchmark for comparative "performance" against AMD).

    Is there a good reason for this uniformity across manufacturers? Do they use the same motors from a 3rd party supplier? What gives?

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    1. Re:What is it with these rpm speeds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      no. the speed on the head flying across the disks to grab and write data are precisely calculated with lots of painful calculations. to get a 6000 rpm drive they would have to go thru all that again, find a vendor selling 6000 rpm drive motors & recreate the ASIC where those calculations are stored instead of buying it off the shelf.

  35. Re:isn't noise irrelevant? by El · · Score: 2

    Er, If I'm planning on using the drive as part of my audio/video system at home (TV tuner, MP3 player, personal video recorder) then noise is THE most importantant consideration!

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  36. Buyer Beware by eclectro · · Score: 3, Informative

    The most quiet drives, the seagate Barracuda IV atas have a problem in Raid configurations. When used in a Raid configuration, the performance is less than a single drive by itself. Raid is not officially supported by this drive. More here.

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    1. Re:Buyer Beware by entrigant · · Score: 2, Informative

      Evidently, when the drive is used in some RAID 0 environments, it can supply data to the interface faster than the host system can request it. Under some circumstances, such as reading sequential data, this can cause the drive to incur a latency. (Emphasis mine)

      Please be more thorough when posting FUD. You are correct in that chances are if you use these drives with your $35 Promise (which never have been known for their stellar raid performance) fastrack software based controller slowness will happen. However this is not a set in stone problem for all possible RAID configurations under the sun. In fact iirc Adaptec use to offer a deal with their 2400A IDE RAID5 controller a few months ago. Buy the controller get some discounted Barracuda IV drives. In fact those drives work great with that controller... I should know, I use that combination. Few things in life annoy me as much as FUD with no thought behind it...

    2. Re:Buyer Beware by eclectro · · Score: 2

      I should have been more specific in my post. But this is enough of a problem that Seagate is offering replacement drives to users. Do a search at storagereview.com

      They do work in Raid 0, but they work slowly There really aren't any performance gains in Raid 0, and in small block access - the majority of use that these drives will see they are slower than a single drive I quote from this article "During reads RAID0 array made of drives with any firmware version is always slower (sometimes significantly!) than a single drive". Note that this article covers only Raid 0 configurations.

      I do not think that the quality of the controller is going to make a difference either. Raid 0 is Raid 0 no matter what controller you are using. The result however, is highly dependant on how the way the drives handle sequential access. Whether the Adaptec controller or a cheapie onboard controller sends a read request to the drives makes no difference -- it's still a read request. Besides, other hard drives work ok with the "cheap" raid controllers.

      Also, more and more motherboard makers are including raid controllers onboard (Raid 0 or 1). Many of these users will opt for the performance gains that Raid 0 should offer, but will not find it using Seagate Barracuda IV ata drives. That statement is not FUD, it is FACT.

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  37. Mirror by Door-opening+Fascist · · Score: 3, Informative

    Since things seem to be getting bogged down on Hardware Analysis's end, here are two mirrors:

    1. Earlham College

    2. UW-Madison

    These are in PDF format, which I converted from the printable HTML provided on the website. It is missing one eye-candy picture of a hard-drive's interior.

  38. Re: isn't noise irrelevant? by Antity · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm sleeping on top of my computer (bed over desk) with the PC sitting on the desk (Bigtower). Fans, IBM 40 gig, Maxtor 80 gig, acoustics management turned off. Never experienced any problems to sleep.

    Your mileage may vary, of course. :-)

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  39. If they were updated, yes... by Kjella · · Score: 2

    Because I tried looking them up, and some manufacturers sound sane. Others do not. 5400 and 7200 rpm drawing the *same* power? 1, 2 and 3 platter disks drawing the same? WTF. Seriously, putting a simple ampmeter in there would be great data.

    Kjella

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    1. Re:If they were updated, yes... by ergo98 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Although it would take longer to accelerate the platter up to speed with 7200rpm, it would not nesisarrily require more power (amps). The bearing losses would be higher, but possibly not as much as you would expect.

      I'd wager that the real world energy usage of a 7200rpm is significantly higher than a 5400rpm (which meshes with the fact that 7200rpm drives are generally quite a bit hotter, again correlating with energy draw). Indeed, one of the big conclusions of this article is that the extra power and heat of a 7200 might be unncessary.


      The better approach is to actually measure the heat gain in a controlled environment over time for a variety of different usages. That is a little more complicated than just using a DC ammeter...


      I'm not quite sure if you're dismissing the idea of measuring current, however in reality truly measuring the current over time is far from the trivial task that you make it out to be. One would have to actually measure many samples (the tighter the interval the more accurate the total draw) as surely no drive is going to be consistent in its energy draw: I would imagine it would constantly fluctuate by 100% or more as the drive does different access patterns, etc, not just hooking up a radio shack multimeter and eyeballing the draw. The net result though would be an extremely accurate gauge of the true power draw, and hence energy discharge, of the hard drive (easily as accurate as putting the draw in a controlled environment: It isn't generating heat magically).

  40. Serial ATA by ackthpt · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Ok, I've been watching for the Barracuda V drives for a while and it's nice to see that the Barracuda drives are quiet, with good performance (got the dirt right off Seagate's page), but where the heck are the SATA drives?

    One comes up on Pricewatch and Google, which frequently highlights vendors, has only brought up articles, reviews, passing references for the ST3120023AS

    Note: The second Seagate link gives some idea of where SATA is going, starting at 150MBytes/sec external transfer speed, yet their tech spec indicates 150Mbits/sec. So far benchs show no advantage, unless you prefer/need the wiring change. Your milage may vary.

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  41. Frequency is as important as power by ez76 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Something I am surprised nobody has brought up yet is that the frequency of noise which a drive produces is as important (if not more) than the absolute sound pressure level of the noise.

    Human ears are more sensitive to midrange sounds and high-frequency noise tends to be more grating than lower frequency "whooshes" at the same sound pressure level.

    Much like higher revving engines, higher RPM drives naturally produce higher-frequency noise, so 37dB on a 15k RPM drive (e.g. newest Seagate Cheetah) will typically be more noticeable than 37dB on a 7200rpm drive (older IBM 75GXP drives).

  42. Seagate 4096 by RatBastard · · Score: 2
    What you want is the Segate 4096, 80MB, 5-1/4" full height, MFM HDD. I had two of those monsters in my old NEC desktop and they lived through all kinds of crap. I accidently drpped one about tow-1/2 feet. It landed flat on it's bottom and ran like a champ for the next year I used that computer. These drives were absolute tanks! Slow as hell (by today's standards), loud as all get our and hot as the syn, but reliable as anything ever made.

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  43. Re:isn't noise irrelevant? by rodgerd · · Score: 2

    Go, learn a little about noise-related fatigue. If your work environment has a high background noise level, you'll be too tired to work effectively. Doesn't matter how quick your system is if you're too tired to use it properly.

    This gets worse in open office spaces; by the time you add up aircon, hard drives, printers, monitor whine, it's all nasty.

  44. What HD? by bleckywelcky · · Score: 2


    As I'm sure is the case for quite a few other people who decided to take on a little bit of overclocking, I must say "What HD?". You mean that very faint whirring I hear when I turn my computer on before the 50 dB rocket engine I have strapped to my CPU spins up? Oh how I would love to get the same cooling effect I have now with only the noise of a few HDs, I think I would have to kiss someone. P.S. I think I'm going deaf (moreso in the ear closer to the computer :P).

  45. Measuring Heat by DustMagnet · · Score: 2

    I think they way they measured heat was a little strange. They just ran it in an open room and measured the temperature of the top of the drive. Why didn't they just measure the total power used during the test hour. That seems easier and more accurate to me.

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  46. Re:Hmm by Reziac · · Score: 2

    I just gave W.D. all sorts of grief over this warranty change (as a long-time customer and occasional reseller who uses W.D. exclusively). Their response was that it was to compensate for the shrinking margins on sales. I'll be very surprised if prices go down one cent as a result of the reduced warranty coverage.

    In my experience, most HDs fail either almost right away or after a long hard life of 5+ years, so it's not truly all that relevant -- but a three year warranty tells me that they believe in their own product enough to back it that long. Reducing the warranty gives me, and my clients, the impression that the drives are not as reliable as before. This is a DISincentive to buy a new or additional drive, especially if the existing HD is still chugging away.

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  47. Re:isn't noise irrelevant? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2

    Try being a student in a dorm or living in a single studio apartment. When I do a large download, I like to sleep well at night while my computer silently hums away.

  48. Most drives get noisier over time by nostriluu · · Score: 2, Informative

    Most drives get noisier over time. I've had many drives that were nearly silent when I purchased them, but after not much time they start to get noticeably louder, until they're unbearable. Especially Maxtor. :> Anyway, since this article (and all the others that I've seen) don't address noise levels after a month or six, they're really not all that helpful.

    I've given up trying to find a quiet enough drive for my living room and just put the living room system in another room (the basement) with long cables. It's a bit awkward (though will be better once I acquire an external DVD-RW) but a much simpler solution.

  49. Quiet power supplies? by TheLink · · Score: 2

    Know where I can get quiet power supplies? What brand+models are quiet?

    My current one isn't that noisy but it's an old one for the days of the P3.

    The recent 350W and 400W power supplies for P4s/Athlons PCs seem to have roaring fans.

    Link.

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  50. hmmmm by drDugan · · Score: 2

    "Noise, Heat, and Performance"


    ...factors that make a good relationship.

  51. Brought the Server to it's knees by ssassen · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And just when we installed a new box with dual 1.3GHz CPUs, 240GB of RAID0+1 storage and 1GB of RAM (see here) and thought we were ready for just about anything the Slashdot Mob comes along and brings it down to it's knees!

    Thanks guys, I'm happy to report the server pulled through although we had to limit the no. of simul. connects to keep things afloat. We'll be going over the server logs today to see where there's room for improvement, as there's some parameters we'd like to change in order to handle such loads better in the future.

    Thanks and kind regards,

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  52. Major omission - adjustable noise / performance by stereoroid · · Score: 2
    The authors of this article seem to have missed out on the fact that, on some hard drives, you can decide the tradeoff between noise and performance. I have an IBM-DTLA 44GB drive with which I can use the IBM Feature Tool to adjust the "Automatic Acoustic Management" (AAM). When set to its quietest setting, it totally cuts out the clicking from the voice coil. I haven't benchmarked it like that, but it would certainly come in handy if I had a RAID setup with a cacheing controller.

    The IBM 120GXP (IC35L120) in the test supports this, and this implies that Seagate are doing this kind of "seek shaping" now and plan to extend the facility to OEMs, so that they can customize acoustic performance for the application e.g. PVR. Where possible, the review tests should have been done using either extreme. (They don't say whether the drives were seeking during the noise test, though. I hope they were, otherwise the noise tests would be half-baked.)

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  53. Re:Western Digital == JUNK by timbck2 · · Score: 2

    Even if /. were to run a poll, that wouldn't tell you squat. Basic psychology: people are *much* more likely to report negative results than positive results, so the poll will show that *all* hard drives are absolute crap.

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  54. Re:Western Digital == JUNK by NeMon'ess · · Score: 2

    Not quite. If there's 8 poll slots and four manufacturers: Maxtor, Western Digital, IBM, Seagate, the question can be posed as Which Hard Drives Fail On You Most Often?
    M+WD
    M+I
    M+S
    WD+I
    WD+S
    S+I
    If the IBM choices get the least votes then that's the most reliable. Option 7 can be: Samsung drives fail me all the time you insensitive clod. Option 8: Cowboy Neal carries my glorious Samsung drives for me.

  55. of course by Alien54 · · Score: 2

    The idea is to have something so the you do not have to burn a ten dollar bill every time you do a test.

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