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OS X Conference DRM Panel Video Available Online
gnat writes "Tucked away on the O'Reilly Mac OS X Conference presentations page are links to Quicktime video and mp3 audio recordings of the Digital Rights Management panel featuring Dan Gillmor of the San Jose Mercury News, Cory Doctorow of the EFF, and others. (My apologies for the sometimes shaky video--three Cokes for breakfast is the anti-steadicam)"
MP3s are free to download about DRM something is amiss :P hehe
I guess I'll browse yesterday's edition instead, and see if anything there is now accessible. Maybe those "sodium in private lake" movies aren't slashdotted anymore.
Are we surprised it's in Quicktime?
:D
I'm actually wondering if it's an mpeg4 video, or a sorenson3 video, myself
I suppose my thought on the Mac as a true 'digital rights management' platform is that so long as the Mac targets creative endeavors such as video, music, print, and graphics... digital restrictions management have to take low priority. Being able to encode, manipulate, share, distribute, decode, edit, etc, is very crucial to the whole concept of... content creation.
Still, it would be nice if Apple could make a public comment to that effect. In case you're wondering, now, I haven't been able to download the video yet! In the process, as we speak.
GPL Deconstructed
You know I'm thinking that linking to a 49MB file from the front page of one of the biggest online community sites on the web may not have been the brightest of ideas.
Someone's going to get one f*cker of a bandwidth bill this month...
Code, Hardware, stuff like that.
I feel a great disturbance in the force... as if many network administrators suddenly cried out in great pain, and were silenced.
To make laws that man cannot, and will not obey, serves to bring all law into contempt.
--E.C. Stanton
Like the first speaker says....the entertainment industry has used their current business model for many years....and it has been VERY good to them. They won't give it up easily. But the big players will push this on people and hope it works.
I sure hope Apple can resist the pressure to get on the DRM bandwagon.
That's my ISP you jerks are slashdotting. I'll be lucky if I can even post this. Of course, locality has it's privlages. The movie is downloading ac 160kb/s
If voting were effective, it would be illegal by now.
So far, most operating systems other than Microsoft Windows are giving DRM a cold shoulder. Windows is the exception, not the rule.
In fact, it's hard to see how DRM could work if there were a lively, competitive market in operating systems, media software, and hardware. In some way, DRM can only work if Microsoft keeps 95%+ of the market, which is kind of scary, because it means that Hollywood is going to do what they can to support Microsoft's monopoly.
It's sorta OT, but here's a great link for DYI steadycams/dollies/whatnot. I'm pretty sure the /. crowd will appreciate what these people are up to.
http://homebuiltstabilizers.com/
-Brett
My iPod (which works great under linux *g*) does indeed have Digital Restrictions Management software on it. How does it work? Simple.
It doesn't just play MP3s you copy to it. Instead, to get a song to play back, it has to be renamed to some 4-digit number, and the ID3 tag info is read from the file and stored in a binary database on the iPod, the "iTunesDB." Any song not registered in the iTunesDB won't play back. Sure, you can copy the MP3 named "2493.mp3" off the iPod any time you want, it's just annoying when you want to do it a lot and you don't have all the information laid out nicely. Also, you get used to the Artist/Album/Track/Genre info being accurate. It's much smoother to rip a CD you own than to put random tracks from the 'net on there.
This is the iPod's DRM system. It works by highlighting the advantages of ripping your own music and encouraging Fair Use Doctrine, instead of forcefull taking away your rights. It encourages buying of CDs because ripping them gets all the info right, and copying the songs back off the unit just gets annoying to rename and look up the info per song.
Oh, the final component of the iPod DRM system: a small etching in the steel on the back of it which reads Don't Steal Music. Now, I surely don't believe Copyright Infringement is anywhere close to the crime that actual theft is, but that one little phrase permanantly engraved there sure does have a subconscious effect when you're loading it up with tons of music you didn't pay for.
Thank you Apple, for DRM the right way, in a system which encourages Fair Use, encourages buying more music, and extends our rights, instead of negatively enforcing the agendas of the RIAA.
..Because there are people out there who agree that producers of content have certain rights over it.
;) "Sheridan *died* trying to watch five seasons in a row. No one who does that comes out alive!")
That, and the fact that they may wish to be able to view five seasons of Babylon 5 (Or insert yer favorite show here), on DVD, in X.
(Hmm, hope I don't die when I eventually go for a five season marathon.
Err, right. Sorry, I'm just all excited over the fact that they're finally putting B5 on DVD. 'bout bloody time. (Where's my Slashdot story about that? Huh?!) Erm, right, back to DRM.
There are programmers out there who would make Linux work with DRM, simply because they a) wish to continue viewing content, and b) wish to continue viewing content legally.
Think it won't be illegal to view DRM content on non-DRM hardware/software? Hmm, does DeCSS ring a bell?
As for me, I'm all against the idea of DRM, but if it comes, I'm not going to be dressing up (down?) in woad and screaming, "They'll never take mah freedoooooooooooom!"
I'm all for supporting independent artists, but you know, without the resources of MPAA-related companies, films like Fellowship of the Rings would never be made. (Of course, some of you may consider that a *good* thing..) There's a lot of good indie films out there, but there's far more 'Evil Empire' funded ones.
Indie music is a bit different - it's a lot easier to find good bands whose labels aren't in step with the RIAA. Still, if I found an RIAA-supported band I liked, I'd buy their discs.
Face it - if you're an indie nut and so anti-*AA, the few discs of any sort you stop buying won't even make a dent in their cash flow. Indeed, they'll just write it off as piracy and attempt more draconian legislation.
In any event, their business models will eventually fail, and we'll get what we all want anyway. It'll just take time. All change takes time, save for that which is brought by the barrel of the gun and the point of the sword.
And frankly, I don't think an extra bit of annoyance in terms of music and movies is worth spilling blood over.
QT streaming from OS X only takes a few minutes to set up, BTW.
/. effect? :)
Find out for yourself why these files are surviving the legendary
The video is encoded with the H.263 codec, and the audio is encoded with the QDesign Music 2 codec.
"Reality is just a convenient measure of complexity" -Alvy Ray Smith
Wow... technology impaired slashdot-reader, that would be the day.
Just alt-click the quicktime-link and you'll be fine. If that doesn't work, right click the quicktime-link and choose the equivalent of "Save file to disk...".
"I tend to think of OS X as Linux with QA and Taste", James Gosling, creator of Java
The movie is downloading ac 160kb/s
Hear that boys? SOUNDS LIKE A CHALLENGE!
"Can of worms? The can is open... the worms are everywhere."
"Technologies that can modified by end users, that is to say Open source are explicitly not allowed in contexts where digital streams are allowed to come into contact with them because you could change them to geek around the restrictions that are being put in by Hollywood. So this is also a proposal to ban open source.
The technology companies, by and large going along with it. And this is why we are here today. We want to find out how it is we can shift the technology companies from a sort of duck and cover perspective to going on the offensive. Because when technologists, who are part of a 600 billion dollar American industry, go on the offensive against Hollywood, a 35 billion dollar American industry, THEY WIN.
"Two really important things you can do, one is you can tell five friends. Cause most people don't know this is going on. Most people don't know that there are three separate onslaughts on the ability of technologists to build any device that they want to. right now, internationally, in congress and in the FCC. Right now, going on, that if they succeed will be the death of their industry. And tell five friends in the technology industry just let them know so they can tell five friends. So we need a burgeoning consciousness of this. We need a million Slashdot readers to actually care about it and not just natalie portman or hot grits. And the last thing you can do is... um.. you can.. Boy! I just blew my buffer. What is the last thing you can do?"
~ Cory Doctorow, Electronic Frontier Foundation
If voting were effective, it would be illegal by now.
If one lousy key is enough to keep you from buying a Macintosh, then I'm glad you feel it's that important. And Apple isn't "ignoring the Unix market;" it's ignoring YOU...
As well it should...
If the big software houses that support drm see these projects, my guess is the will demand that both the sdrm and openimpm libraries be installed to prevent fair use on linux. We need to boycott these morons who are writing these software packages since they are doing nothing more then hurting OSS then helping it. If Linux software needs drm then apple will fall next and then will sun, etc. Very bad.
http://saveie6.com/
Most likely, what will happen is that Windows will continue to be able to play non-DRM content, but it will refuse to create non-DRM content unless you buy very expensive "professional" versions of the software and hardware you use, software and hardware that puts your signature on everything you create. Windows may also simply start putting non-DRM content under DRM without even telling you.
Blockquoth the poster:
*begin Inigo Montoya impression*
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means...
*end Inigo Montoya impression*
ADB is a device bus, not a keyboard layout. Apple hasn't used ADB since it first introduced USB on the iMac in 1998.
I have a NEW ten gig iPod with a touchwheel and "don't steal music" isn't anywhere on it. Not that I think it would be a bad move per se, it's just not there.
Triv
Er, you CAN copy off the iPod. You just have to do it yourself, you can't have it automatically happen.
Errm. The parent post I replied to said that copying off the iPod is a huge hassle and requires legwork to get the songs back into normal format (eg, "some band - some song.mp3"). It "can" be done, and the software makes every attempt to thwart you from doing it are two different things.
Furthermore, what's this talk about "automatically"? The iPod starts dumping all its music or grabbing all the music it finds without any user intervention?
Considering that most of us have a single PC that is our "main PC," their move makes sense. Plus it ensures that if you DO move an MP3 illegally, YOU'RE doing it, not Apple.
Now we're getting down to brass tacks. Apple isn't doing anything, the user does everything. Apple supplies ripping tools and PCs, why doesn't that make them liable for all other forms of copying? Why would moving an MP3 from Computer A to iPod B be "legal" but from iPod B to Computer B be "illegal"? As long as A, B, and C are all owned outright by the same person, it just sounds like fair use to me, as fair as watching a video tape I made in the VCR in the kitchen, the bedroom or the living room.
That said, I'm a Unix professional (kernel; device drivers, right now); have been for many years. My _entire_ professional life has been spent working on keyboards that have control on the lower left, and caps lock next to A. It is _entirely_ possible to use Unix with control in lower-right. I have small hands; I can still use control and not have any trouble reaching other keys. I'm currently typing this on an IBM keyboard that ships with RS/6000 workstations; control is in lower-left. My officemate's IBM PC-influenced keyboard (Windows key, etc) has control in lower-left; his Dell laptop has control in lower-left. One of my co-worker's IBM laptop? Control's in lower-left.
Control in lower-right is an ISO standard; Apple didn't come up with it because of any desire to spite Unix users.
Apple has been a Unix vendor for at least 14 years. Anyone remember A/UX? I do... loooong experience with it, including years as GNU ports maintainer when Apple was still persona non grata with the FSF. Anyone remember the workgroup servers running AIX? I wrote the serial driver. Any claim that Apple has been ignoring Unix users needs to take into account that Apple's been a Unix vendor for a very long time _and_ that they've now moved their entire platform to a Unix(/Mach)-based system.
I do sympathize with muscle memory -- my current laptop has a key to the left of control (fn, for those who're curious). It was a bit of pain getting my finger to shift over one position -- about a week's worth. After that, all's well. You may have harder to retrain muscle memory.
The most interesting part of the parent post is the reference to uControl. uControl remaps control to caps-lock _exactly_ the way the poster wants. It's free software (GPL). _If_ ADB were "broken-by-design" as claimed, uControl wouldn't be able to do this. If anyone wanted control -> caps lock remapping on the *BSD's, it shouldn't be hard to look at a piece of GPL'd software and figure out to, e.g., modify the X server to do the same thing.
It seems to me that the poster himself has presented two solutions, one for Debian and one for Apple's own Unix product, that would let him use Unix on an Apple laptop with control where he wants it (assuming they work, and comments indicate they do). Why should it matter if these products need to resort to kludges, horrible or otherwise -- do you _need_ to know how your keyboard-mapping software works to be able to type? Should you _care_ how it works, as long as the keys do what you want?
_Exactly_ what more do you expect Apple to do -- provide remapping software for *BSD? I understand that it might be nice for the builtin keyboard to be USB, but given that working solutions exist for two flavors of Unix, I don't really understand the urgency of a major hardware design change to fix a problem that it's already agreed has a ready fix available in software.