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New Anti-Circumvention Rulemaking Coming Soon

zurab writes "According to CNet, copyright regulators are considering a rare public comment (pdf) process on the controversial DMCA law. The article states they are mostly looking for what kind of exceptions they should make to the law." If you recall, the Librarian of Congress is required by law to conduct a review process every three years to see if there are any specific types of works which should be exempted from part of the DMCA. You can see loc.gov for some information about the current and previous rulemaking procedures, and this piece I wrote after the last rulemaking was finished, examining what did and didn't work to convince the bureaucrats.

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  1. Fritz' hit list by giminy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Removing regulation for the types of thing listed on Fritz' hit list would be a start. How to word that, though? "Devices for personal playback of digitally encoded data and/or video" might be a good phrase :). I don't expect them to be so liberal, though.

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    1. Re:Fritz' hit list by actor_au · · Score: 1

      I don't expect them to be so liberal, though.

      Why not they are with Patent Applications.

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    2. Re:Fritz' hit list by Kissing+Crimson · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That gave me an interesting idea. Eventually these laws (ala the Corps making them get written) are going to end up cancelling each other out.

      To summarize:
      The DMCA says you cannot build a 'device' that can circumvent(blah blah) a copy or access control system. To use this to their advantage, Sony decides to build a new DVD player and markets matching DVDs that are only authorized to be played on those systems.

      Ding! Instant monopoly position. But I digress...

      Anyway, Time Warner and Disney also get the bright idea to do something like this at the same time (maybe because of reading some slightly anarchistic postings on a popular online message board?)

      At this point you are not allowed to play a Sony DVD on a Time Warner DVD player, or vice versa.

      This gets ugly for both the Corps and the consumers.

      Sound like fantasy? So would have the DMCA ten years ago.

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    3. Re:Fritz' hit list by GlassUser · · Score: 1

      Does the phrase "Disney DVD" sound familiar? It's starting . . .

    4. Re:Fritz' hit list by Kierthos · · Score: 1

      May I refer you to today's "User Friendly"?

      That's how I'd like to see it handled. If the copy protection isn't effective, the law shouldn't be enforced. ROT-13'ing something isn't effective, as one example.

      Kierthos

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  2. Re:Let's see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Reminds me of this.

    This kind of personal friction is found everywhere, but due to the nature of open source development, it can become very... public.

  3. Dont exampt anything! by Billly+Gates · · Score: 5, Interesting
    If we want the supreme court to rule the dmca unconstitutional then we definetly want all the bad parts intact. For example, if we take off the clauses that deal with free speech and hyperlinking, then the dmca will remain fully constitutional and will remain intact for all eternity. Linux will die off thanks to palidium which ms will use the dmca to make sure only windows will run on it.

    And no, code has not been ruled as free speech according to the courts. Linux will not qualify as speech and will be unprotected by the us constitution. The judge presiding over the case of the MPAA vs Jon Johnshon ruled that code was a series of "actions" rather then "expressions" and will remain how courts look at code untill another judge questions this.

    If the dmca is ever overturned then we can port linux to pallidium and the xbox without a mod chip and ms wont be able to do shit.

    Please common on about the unconsitutionalality of the law but do not write comments about specific bad sections which may help the EFF in court.

    1. Re:Dont exampt anything! by RebelTycoon · · Score: 1

      If the dmca is ever overturned then we can port linux to pallidium and the xbox without a mod chip and ms wont be able to do shit.

      Somehow I don't think that this will entirely be legal, but it won't be illegal under the DMCA, and thus hopefully give a little more wiggle room for the eventual legal battle over "hardware protectionism".

    2. Re:Dont exampt anything! by Billly+Gates · · Score: 3, Informative
      "I don't think that this will entirely be legal"



      Why not? Don't be brainwashed into this thinking by the big media companies. It is only illegal under the dmca to reverse engineer something. Ms does not own your motherboard or xbox after you purchase it. You do.

      Could you clone it? No, that would be fraud and the hardware may be copyrighted.

      But you can do whatever it is you want this it.

      Copyright laws today give patent like powers to copyright holders which is wrong. I think its bs that a company can claim to own someting you bought. The dmca gives them these powers. It gives them a limited set of rules that a consumer can't do.

      Also if it were actually illegal to reverse engineer hardware, then all computers except IBM's would be illegal.

      After all compaq must of broken the law by writing their own bios and creating the first pc clone. Right?

    3. Re:Dont exampt anything! by ealar+dlanvuli · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually PC clones are illegal under the DMCA, thats the point I run into the ground on every single mailing to my congress critters

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    4. Re:Dont exampt anything! by smiff · · Score: 1
      And no, code has not been ruled as free speech according to the courts.

      In Bernstein, a US Appeals court ruled that code is speech. In 2600 Magazine, the court ruled that code is both speech and a device. Could you cite a single case where a US court has ruled that code is not speech? Note that the Johansen case was in Norway, well outside US jurisdiction.

  4. They could always... by }InFuZeD{ · · Score: 1

    Take parts out to make it worse.

  5. Discussion of security vulnerabilities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Free speech involving security vulnerabilities.

    It makes little sense to be allowed to post a patch containing C code to fix a security vulnerability to a public mailing list, and yet not be able to post English text that contains the same information.

    I don't particularly care about not being able to "make mp3z from my cdz", but I don't want my webservers rooted just because somebody wasn't allowed to post a patch.

    If somebody doesn't patch their server, they are being irresponsible, not the person who posts details of the vulnerability.

    At the end of the day, if your server is vulnerable, disconnect it from the network. If you don't like the idea of download, use software that doesn't have a terrible track record of security flaws.

    1. Re:Discussion of security vulnerabilities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Patch against above comment:

      -download
      +downtime

  6. I have to wonder... by Squidgee · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Since, according to one of the posts down there, code is not free speech, we are screwed-eth.

    Think about it: it's obvious the government doesn't want to eradicate the DMCA, but they do want to appease the [voting] linux/oss/internet croud.

    Just don't get your hopes up; they also want to appease their campaign funding hollywood/MS/Whomever . So, instead, lobby to mold it to our means, since it's become obvious it is not going away.

    Just turn it into a mosquito, as opposed to the flesh eating monster we have now.

  7. What's broke? by octalgirl · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Hmmm - where to begin? How about if it's as easy as breaking by swiping a black magic marker around the edge then it can't count. How about proof that this law has actually put $$$ into the hands of the artists. Ensuring that papers and discussions, especially related to news and education, absolutely cannot result in an arrest as what happened to Dimtry or that professor who was threatened. (After all, Dimtry has PhD in cryptography - if he's not allowed to talk, who is?).

    Make a change? Then ensure that no matter what, peoples right to fair use and free speech cannot be infringed by this law.

    1. Re:What's broke? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about if it's as easy as breaking by swiping a black magic marker around the edge then it can't count.

      Excuse my ignorance, but what is this a reference to? What copy protection was broken with a black magic marker?

    2. Re:What's broke? by octalgirl · · Score: 2

      There are dozens of articles out there on how easy it is to beat some of the copy-protection schemes attempted by the record industry. Here's a sample from the Detroit News:

      Armed with just a felt tip marker, music fans and technology tinkerers figured out a way to beat Sony's copy-protection scheme for CDs released in Europe.

      Low quality, inept, weak designs should not be protected by any law, but should be made to serve only as a potential foundation for future ideas. It is human nature to take apart, inspect, turn over, disect then discuss and compare anything from an insect, to a rock; from a drop of water to a drop of blood, and most especially all things technological, in an effort to explore,learn, and possibly improve. It should not be against the law to do this just because it's "digital".

  8. What they should except from the DMCA by porkface · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Everything starting with the title.

    But seriously, you can't pick apart this law, because its only teeth are the same words that prevent perfectly legitimate products and acts? The whole thing must go. Congress might come up with a laundry list of devices that are legitimate (Dreamcast serial cable) vs. devices that are often illegitimate (Xbox mod chip - hold the flames), but such a list would be instantly outdated. And then there's the problem of multiple classifications when people want to run Linux on their Xboxes and make all kinds of wonderfull new toys and usefull setups out of them. That is not copyright infringement, and yet it's prevented by a law that purports to be all about copyrights.

    The DMCA should be taken off the books and the problem should be reapproached with new cooperation between enforcement and lawmakers, as well as a renewed ownous on industry to create solutions. Big media has ignored companies offering (more) secure solutions for years and let many of those companies dry up. It could have been a significant boon to the economy had the uber-rich media giants invested in these solutions rather than on lawyers and lobyists. Too often I heard them saying that Bertlesman / Napster was a test case and that its failure was their reason for reluctance. But what they failed to see was that Napster didn't have the desire to change their ways, let alone the experience and skill to come up with a valid solution. If these giant record labels and movie studios don't grow some balls and try some solutions...invest in some budding technologies, they deserve to fail.

    I'm not an expert, but it appears to me that the DMCA doesn't protect copyrights that weren't already protected under existing laws.

    Perhaps the legislative efforts should be focused on giving enforcement more ways to go after blatantly illegal networks and their users. Less public sharing channels could be gone after much the same way law enforcement goes after the mob. They don't outlaw baseball bats and guns, they catch someone in the act go up the tree from there by getting information and following known mobsters until they trip up.

  9. Can someone explain something to me... by matt-at-thinkrnd · · Score: 1

    I am not American, so I have not look much in to this law.. but something has been bugging me from the conversations I hear.

    The law obviously is strong on preventing people discussing/exploiting security vunrabilities, but is there an escape clause for in-house discussions?

    Is it illegal for a business who developes server software to hire people to test the security of their systems, and then discuss what they find?

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  10. This is all wrong! by SuperCal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The article states they are mostly looking for what kind of exceptions they should make to the law." Um... May I suggest instead, we pressure legislators not to make a blanket law and then pock holes in it. If that is their approach they will undoubtedly leave perfectly acceptable actions illegal. It is my belief that the lawmakers should always error on the side of freedom and smaller government. List which situations to which the law applies, and not a list of when the law it doesn't apply.
    Just so you know I wrote this three times. I was so angered the first time that the draft made no since and the second time I wrote too emotionally. This time I wrote it too fast, but now I'm tired of writing it.

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    1. Re:This is all wrong! by SEWilco · · Score: 5, Funny
      Actually, this entire issue is illegal.

      1. Discussing what is wrong with the DMCA could cause the DMCA to be revoked.
      2. Revoking the DMCA would remove its protection of protection systems.
      3. The DMCA is a protection system of protection systems.
      4. The DMCA makes breaking protection systems illegal.
      5. Attempting to break the DMCA violates the DMCA.
      6. Attempting to have anyone alter this law is a violation of this law.

      Therefore I have nothing but good things to say about the DMCA: It has many wonderfully organized words, the authors are very intelligent, and the Federal Register is a well-organized piece of literature.

  11. SERIOUSLY: GET SOME PRIORITIES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    the congress just voted to give bush the power to INVADE and sovereign nation for no reason accept that in the future they MAY do something we don't like!

    After they violently OVERTHROW the government and take control of the OIL FIELDS they announced their plan is to OCCUPY the country indefinatly with GEN. TOMMY FRANKS as DICTATOR until such time as they find a acceptable PUPPET to install.

    And if you think this is about ANYTHING besides OIL then you haven't been doing your reading.

    So while you cry about not being able to pirate mp3s your government is getting ready to INVADE a country and INSTALL A MILITARY DICTATOR!

    GET SOME FUCKING PRIORITIES!

    SERIOUSLY!

    1. Re:SERIOUSLY: GET SOME PRIORITIES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your post is offtopic. This section is about Your Rights Online. Evidently you mistook this for "Saddam Hussein's Rights Online"

    2. Re:SERIOUSLY: GET SOME PRIORITIES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My post was about my right not to have my countries army used as exxon-mobiles personal dictator installation machine.

      Exxon CEO: Gosh dang, the chinese and russian oil companies are getting all of saddams oil and we are out of the loop! what can we do?

      Exxon Chairman: Get our crony bush to invade the country and kill anyone who gets in our way.

      Exxon CEO: Good idea! And if the chinese and russians want any cut of the oil from our new colony they have no choice but to go along with it!

    3. Re:SERIOUSLY: GET SOME PRIORITIES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your post is offtopic. This section is about Your Rights Online. Evidently you mistook this for "Saddam Hussein's Rights Online"

      The poster didn't suggest anywhere that they weren't Saddam Hussein. This is an international forum, and evil leaders are allowed to participate. Drop the parochial american-nobody-centric attitude please.

    4. Re:SERIOUSLY: GET SOME PRIORITIES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ya nothings stopping george bush, ariel sharon or other bloodthirsty war mongers from posting to slashdot.

    5. Re:SERIOUSLY: GET SOME PRIORITIES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I SEE YOUR SECRET MESSAGE WRITTEN IN ALL CAPITALS!! By reading the capitalized words, there is a secret message involving ANTI-GLOBALIZATION PROTESTS and MEETINGS OF HOMOSEXUALS! THUS:

      INVADE MAY

      The party will take place this coming May.

      OVERTHROW OIL FIELDS

      Be sure to buy lots of Crisco

      OCCUPY GEN. TOMMY FRANKS

      You wish! He is a cutie in his uniform isn't he?

      DICTATOR PUPPET

      Bring your love doll to the party..

      ANYTHING OIL

      Bring *lots* of lube big boy!!!

      INVADE

      Oh I will baby, I will!!

      INSTALL A MILITARY DICTATOR

      Okay, I'll wear the uniform. We'll be ready to play "political dissident thrown in jail", I bet you can't wait for the body cavity search. And the whipping.. oh yes, the whipping!!

      GET SOME FUCKING

      Ho ho ho ho ho...yes!

      PRIORITIES SERIOUSLY

      Yahoo Serious' cousin? He's coming too?

      har har har I am teh funniaz

    6. Re:SERIOUSLY: GET SOME PRIORITIES by BitterOak · · Score: 2
      The problem with your argument is that following it would encourage political leaders to create large issues (such as imminent war) in order to disctract us from "smaller" issues which are unpopular. Just because there are seemingly more important issues to discuss doesn't mean we can afford to lose sight of the smaller ones.

      Remember that income tax was introduced as a "temporary measure" to fund the First World War. It wasn't widely criticized, as the winning the war seemed a much more important issue than the "slight" privacy invasion of having to report our income to the government. Well, the war is long since past, but we still pay enormous amounts of income tax.

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    7. Re:SERIOUSLY: GET SOME PRIORITIES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lets get the facts right. No Reason?? Yeah, no reason other that his violating the terms of surrender he agreed to at the end of the first gulf war. He's been given plenty of chances to comply. It's just that no one had the guts to call him on it till now. Everyone was happy to turn a blind eye, cause it was easier for them. Everyone thought that we were safe over here in the US, they would never attack us. Well now things have changed. The threat was real then, and its real now, but people are more aware of it now.

      You know, you all said that same thing about the first gulf war too ("Bush is only doing this for his buddies in the oil industry".) Except they got no real benefit from it. OPEC controls prices, not Bush or his buddies. And we certainly didnt take over the oil fields or destroy OPEC (which wouldnt be a bad idea, as long as we want to breakup mircosoft, lets do some international trustbusting and get OPEC too.) This idea that we are going to occupy the country to steal the oil fields is quite silly. The US doesnt run around the world overthrowing governemnts and installing their own, unless you call removing a military dictator and allowing democratic elections "installing a US military dictator"
      After years of making silly and outlandish predictions that were never right, its surprising that you have any credibility left, and the gall to make the same wrongheaded accusations yet one more time. Grow up.

  12. Ban regional coding. by stuartkahler · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Regional coding (mostly in DVDs) should be banned. Most DVDs released in other countries never come out here, and I shouldn't have to buy a second DVD player set to the another region to watch DVDs from overseas. If a movie doesn't get released in the theaters of a country overseas until AFTER the DVD release here in the US, the producing company doesn't deserve the financial help of any law to make up for their slow release schedule.

    Regional coding is the kind of thing that I would expect from China, not the USA.

    1. Re:Ban regional coding. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get "A People's History of the United States" by Howard Zinn. Then you will see America has always been about the rich getting richer and everyone else getting fucked. Heroic images of firefighters with billowing flags behind them aside America has never been what the advertising said it is. There have been so many atrocities commited by the government and it's always "special circumstances and won't happen again" until the next time. The only reason the standard of living in america is relativly high compared to the rest of the world is becuase we the get the table scraps of the ruling capitalists who exploit the whole world.

    2. Re:Ban regional coding. by Powercntrl · · Score: 2

      Regional coding (mostly in DVDs) should be banned.

      Like the typical American consumer, I've never run in to a problem with regional coding. All the DVDs I buy from the store work just fine in my DVD player and on my computer. I can understand how this can be frustrating if you want to watch imported DVDs, but as you said, they WILL work on an imported DVD player.

      Audio CD copy protection is another matter. I do not own a portable CD player, nor do I have any desire to purchase one. I primarially listen to music on portable MP3 player or on my computer. If I CANNOT format-shift a purchased CD to MP3, it is WORTHLESS to me. Right now, the music I get for FREE from P2P has more value to me than a purchased CD. I want to support the artists that produce the music I enjoy, but if I do so I get a product that is of no use to me. There is something wrong with this picture and if a law has to be changed to make the media giants realize it - so be it.

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    3. Re:Ban regional coding. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Like the typical American consumer, I've never run in to a problem with regional coding. All the DVDs I buy from the store work just fine in my DVD player and on my computer. I can understand how this can be frustrating if you want to watch imported DVDs, but as you said, they WILL work on an imported DVD player.

      As a European consumer it's even easier. I can use the same player for DVDs regardless of their source or encoding.

      I think it is the intent and direction of these laws that people have a problem with. The fact that their success rate is only very marginally better than zero is no reason not to worry that laws have been introduced to empower a cartel.

    4. Re:Ban regional coding. by bobbagum · · Score: 2, Interesting

      there's actually a legitimate reason for regional coding, staggered release of movies are different in different countries due to holiday periods and such, but apart from that, i don't see why they need to put it on things like music dvds

  13. Exemptions by ekephart · · Score: 2

    "...any specific types of works which should be exempted from part of the DMCA"

    How bout EVERYTHING. I mean seriously, does anyone else think it's a little amusing that the same little notice that says it's a federal crime to use say paint thinner for anything other than its intended purpose applies to a freakin Xbox as well. I mean, we all know we need to be protected from ourselves, but this is out of hand :-)

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  14. Limiting the Reach by RebelTycoon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How about having this law only apply to individuals who violate the law in the United States.

    How about in general the U.S. limit their laws to people who live in the States.

  15. I don't see the problem here. by Krapangor · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Circumvention is nothing other than an action for preparing a crime (copyright theft) and therefore should be banned. I know no country on this earth which allows the preparation of crimes, in Europe they throw you directly in prison for that. I'm surprised that this is different in the US.
    And when you say that the offenders didn't do the original crime yet then you must also demand that terrorists are only captured after they blown up something and not before their crime. From a legal point of view it's all the same.

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    1. Re:I don't see the problem here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And when you say that the offenders didn't do the original crime yet then you must also demand that terrorists are only captured after they blown up something and not before their crime. From a legal point of view it's all the same.

      It certainly is all the same, and thank goodness for that! Are you seriously proposing that we arrest "terrorists" before they have committed any crime? How can they be terrorists if they haven't done anything yet?

      But you know, maybe you are right. We should arrest people who buy cars because that is preparation for vehicular manslaughter, driving under the influence, reckless driving and numerous other crimes. Clearly by purchasing a car they are preparing to commit a crime and we certainly what to arrest people before any crime is actually committed.

    2. Re:I don't see the problem here. by nuggz · · Score: 2

      What if what you are preparing for is NOT a crime.

      In Canada you can make personal copies of music for your own use, circumventing the copy protection on a CD just allows you to do something that IS legal.

    3. Re:I don't see the problem here. by rusty0101 · · Score: 2

      As most people understand it, hot-wiring a car is preparation for stealing that car. However if the keyswitch is broken, and you don't have the time or money to replace that keyswitch, there is no law that prevents you from hot-wiring your own car. It may look strange, but it is not illegal. This is circumventing the security system on the ignition of your car, and it is not preparation for a crime.

      The question then becomes "Is a CD/DVD more like a car, or a piece of software?" The reason for this question is that so far as I know, CDs and DVDs do not come with an end user licence agreement. A copyright notice is not an EULA, though it may be part of one. If a product is not covered by a EULA, then I do not know of any way that you can prevent a purchaser from legitimately using the contents of the CD in any way that they choose. You may restrict their ability to "re-distribute" the contents, that is part of the copyright, but if someone wants to convert their old record player into a device that can read a CD or DVD, (which requires knowledge I do not posess) a copyright notice is not sufficient to prevent this.

      Other examples of things that can be used in "preparing a crime" include screwdrivers and paperclips, (which can be used in concert to pick a variety of locks) Pry bars (which can pry open windows) rocks (which can break windows) and many other devices which also have legitimate uses.

      The fact that I posses these tools, does not imply that I have prepared for a crime, and is not sufficient on it's own to put me in jail. It may be enough for someone to start asking questions. In some countries that may be grounds for arrest, but not in the US.

      I still have not seen the question of expired copyrights being adressed. What steps are being taken to verify that when a copyright expires, putting a creative work into the public domain, that that work will be available? Are DRM tools being developed that check to see if a copyright is expired?

      Does your DVD player have the inteligence to know that 95 years after a work was copywritten by RCA that there are no longer any restrictions on who may distribute that work?

      -Rusty

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    4. Re:I don't see the problem here. by program21 · · Score: 1
      I still have not seen the question of expired copyrights being adressed. What steps are being taken to verify that when a copyright expires, putting a creative work into the public domain, that that work will be available? Are DRM tools being developed that check to see if a copyright is expired?

      This seems to be a key issue that I don't hear mentioned too often. I would hope that there would be such a thing in the protection, but honestly I don't think there is.
      Seems to me that DRM can be a good thing, if done properly; the problem is that every implementation (and possible implementation) I've ever seen/heard/read anything about has no protections for fair use, which IMO makes such a technology (the specific implentation, not DRM in general) illegal.

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  16. Code is speech by Gerry+Gleason · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Clearly, the court got this wrong, and it is important to get this ruling changed (I know, could be very hard). I think the most persuasive argument is/will be that there is no place where you can draw the line between talking about code, and actual code. As 'instruction' rather than 'actions', code is clearly speech. It only becomes actions when compiled or interpreted and run on actual hardware. The lawyers fighting on the side of goodness here need to be able to deflect this kind of stupidity immediately and in context so bad ruling don't have the power of precident.

    Think of a favorite analogy of algorithms as 'recipes'. They can't ban "The Anarchists Cookbook", just stop you from actually cooking something up and using it. Any judge should be able to understand it this way.

    1. Re:Code is speech by Squidgee · · Score: 1
      Hmm...

      I'd have to say you're right. I too, beleive code is speech; we just need to prove it. And you analogy is a good one. =)

  17. Interfering with the functioning of the program... by EzInKy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "However, the copyright office says it has only a very limited scope to define exceptions to the law. In the last round, it carved out just two activities that could be exempted from the law. People could break through encryption onlists of Web sites blocked by Web filtering programs and could break protection on software or other "literary works" in cases where the copy control was obsolete or interfering with the functioning of the program, the office said."

    That must make DeCSS legal then because without it a perfectly good DVD player can't play a perfectly good DVD on a Linux box. Same for encrypted CDs because copyprotection interferes with the program functioning in certain environments.

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  18. Sorry, You Too Late by SEWilco · · Score: 0
    It doesn't sound like fantasy, that is exactly the present DVD situation. DVDs already use a format which non-DVD players can not read, because the data is encoded in a secret fashion. You can not write DVDs nor build a DVD reader without using this secret code. The DVD rights owners will not allow everybody to use DVDs -- they require that the code be kept secret.

    Try replacing "FSF" for "Time Warner" in your posting, as if the FSF purchased a DVD license the FSF would require that its DVD program be public. The DMCA merely protects the DVD encoding, and is why the DVD-decoding formula is already a legal issue.

  19. Not a Librarian by jfrumkin · · Score: 2, Offtopic

    If only the Librarian of Congress was actually a librarian. He's not - he has no degree in library science. He causes much agnst among librarians because of his rulings on the DMCA, webcasting, etc.

    Here are some links relating to info about him:

    His official bio

    http://www.deepinthestacks.com/ - some commentary

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  20. Real exemption for scientific research by Xcott+Craver · · Score: 5, Informative

    It annoys me greatly when someone tells me the DMCA contains an exemption for scientists. This supposed exemption is an extremely thin, virtually nonexistent concession to the scientific community.

    Aside from being limited to "encryption research" (only one component of security research, which did not cover the SDMI researchers,) the exemption contains a ridiculous requirement that scientists first ask permission from companies before collecting data or performing experiments---data which, coincidentally, might embarrass those companies. Is there any good reason why third parties should have themselves written into the scientific method?

    Another major problem with the exemption: it only permits one step in the scientific process, the actual collection of data, the act of circumventing a DRM system. The next step, publishing or sharing that data with the scientific community, doesn't seem to be exempted, and has been the target of legal disputes in the past.

    What I'd like to see: an exemption for the entire scientific method, which doesn't require the scientific community to be restructured or centralized or authorized by an entertainment industry or any other arbitrary group who can write laws.

    1. Re:Real exemption for scientific research by SiliconEntity · · Score: 2
      Aside from being limited to "encryption research" (only one component of security research, which did not cover the SDMI researchers,)
      On the contrary, the threat against Felten et al under the DMCA was just that, a threat, a bluff, and was withdrawn when the bluff was called. The SDMI results have been fully reported and published and DMCA did not stop them.

      the exemption contains a ridiculous requirement that scientists first ask permission from companies before collecting data or performing experiments
      It says they have to ask for permission; it doesn't say they have to get it! They can go ahead and do their work even without the permission of the copyright holder. What this amounts to, therefore, is a requirement to give notice to the copyright holder that his system is going to be attacked. This is, by the way, consistent with current trends towards responsible reporting of security vulnerabilities.

      Another major problem with the exemption: it only permits one step in the scientific process, the actual collection of data, the act of circumventing a DRM system. The next step, publishing or sharing that data with the scientific community, doesn't seem to be exempted, and has been the target of legal disputes in the past.
      The wording of the DMCA is somewhat ambiguous on this point, granted. It seems clear from the context that in exempting research, Congress certainly intended to exempt legitimate academic publication of the results, which is part and parcel of the research process. No one has ever been prosecuted on the theory that you can do research, yes, but you can't publish it. This argument has mostly been raised by DMCA opponents.
  21. Phew! by Ligur · · Score: 3, Funny

    I thought it said "New Anti-Circumcision Rulemaking"!

    I guress that's what happens when you read slashdot before you've had your first cup o coffe in the morning.

    Note to self: Keep coffe machine by the bed.

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  22. Severability? by Reziac · · Score: 2

    Does the DMCA have a severability clause? If so, then deeming any given portion unconstitutional will NOT overturn the entire law, only the particular section in question.

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    1. Re:Severability? by swillden · · Score: 2
      Laws aren't contracts, and courts are always able to strike down just one portion of a bad law. It's useful to remember that a bill, like the DMCA, is not a law, but a set of revisions to the law. A bill says "strike this part of this sentence and replace it with this." A bill is a patch, basically (and like a patch, can create new sections, or just update old sections). After the patch is applied, the courts look at the new law and say "This sentence implies such and such, which violates such and such principle, derived from portions X, Y and Z of the constitution and from previous court rulings A, B and C. Therefore, this part of the law is unconstitutional.

      Because just striking out a sentence or two might make the law silly, the courts provide some detail as to what should be considered valid and invalid, so other parts of the patch may also be invalidated, but not necessarily all, just those that are related to the bad bit. Then, of course, congress goes to work on crafting another patch, hopefully trying to avoid the particular mess they stepped into the first time.

      That's my understanding, anyway. I'm not a lawyer, a judge or a constitutional scholar, so I could be completely wrong.

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  23. There are many non-criminal circumvention purposes by rollingcalf · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Playing a DVD on a Linux PC is not a criminal act. Creating your own personal "various artists" CD out of a dozen albums which you have paid for is not a crime. Moving music you have paid for from a CD to a portable MP3 player is not a crime.

    Unfortunately, the copy-protection mechanisms often force people to use circumvention techniques to perform the above legal activities. There are many legally justified reasons for using circumvention techniques, but the entertainment industry wants to make circumvention itself illegal even though it often is not used as "an action for preparing for a crime".

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  24. Misguided by underwhelm · · Score: 4, Informative

    Please read the PDF the LOC has provided. They state clearly their mandate from congress and what arguments might sway them.

    The LOC doesn't give two rats whiskers about the constitutionality of the law. Do not write to them about the constitutionality of the law. They have one mandate, and that is to examine if there are "classes of works" for which enforcement of the DMCA would "substantially harm" legitimate, non-infringing use of those classes of works.

    The legal battles to have the law overturned as unconstitutional are a logically seperate issue from what the LOC rules. If the LOC exempts certain classes of works (as it has already two), then either the law will be declared unconstitutional for another reason or enough works will be exempted (due to legitimate argumentation from interested/harmed parties) that the DMCA will be unenforceable by its own mandate.

    The best solution would be to argue to the LOC according to its terms, conceding its strict mandate and forming coherent reasons that everything worthwhile should be exempt (one class at a time, like the PDF requests), and fight the battle of unconstitutionality in the courts. Any spurious assertions or argumentation will be posted on the LOC's webpage, but nobody will read past the first paragraph.

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  25. Woah there, tiger! by underwhelm · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I encourage everyone to read the PDF linked in the submission.

    The LOC has a narrow mandate and they lay out very clearly what they will listen to and what they will not.

    If you hope to submit a comment, or have any effect on the DMCA as a member of the general public, short of getting elected to congress or becoming a defendant, for god's sake read the PDF and construct a coherent argument according to their guidelines.

    Last time around, these guidelines were not available as the LOC had a short time to prepare and didn't really know what they were looking for. This time the rules of the game are more clear. I think this provides circumvention advocates with a clearer path to a beneficial rulemaking.

    Examples of things they don't want to hear about:
    • Constitutionality
    • Extrajurisdictional enforcement
    • Hypotheticals, unless they are going to come to pass in the next three years

    What they do want to hear about:
    • Classes of works (along traditional categories of authorship like musical works, literature, databases
    • and how enforcement of the DMCA in the substantially hampers non-infringing use


    • This isn't exhaustive. Read the PDF. Thanks.
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  26. The most frightening thing I've seen yet on /. by freeweed · · Score: 2

    Examples of things they don't want to hear about:

    Constitutionality


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  27. Sneakers by underwhelm · · Score: 1

    "We're the US government, we don't do that sort of thing."

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  28. My less glib response by underwhelm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It would be like asking a janitor in the Supreme Court building to declare the DMCA unconstitutional. You could do it, and he could do it, but it would have no effect because he has no mandate or authority.

    You'd be wasting everyone's time.

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  29. Exemption by Kwil · · Score: 1

    Ah.. we need an exemption on:

    1. the conduct of "circumvention" of technological protection measures that control access, and
    2. trafficking in any technology, product, service, device, component, or part thereof that protects either access to a copyrighted work or that protects "the rights of the copyright owner".

    These exemptions are required because the first restriction prevents people from enganging in fair use on items which the manufacturer's have not provided any means to do so, and the second exemption because any segment of code can be construed as a "component or part" of a restricted technology, product, service, or device. To make trafficking in any code whatsoever illegal impinges far greater restrictions on a far larger segment of the population than the current act protects.

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  30. Dammit. Post a coherent argument we can send them. by sethdelackner · · Score: 1

    In all the responses thus far I haven't seen any actual suggestions of worthwhile things we could say in our comments to the LOC. Anyone?

  31. How about a public forum to get rid of it? by mbogosian · · Score: 2

    [T]he Librarian of Congress is required by law...to see if there are any specific types of works which should be exempted from part of the DMCA.

    How about everything? The law is flawed and Unconstitutional. There shouldn't be any exceptions because the law shouldn't exist in the first place. Holding a public forum to try to placate the public is not an acceptable method of creating Consitutional laws.

  32. How about a public apology and a repeal? by mbogosian · · Score: 2

    From the article:

    Federal copyright regulators are opening the door for new exceptions to a controversial copyright law that has landed one publisher in court and a Russian programmer in jail.

    We locked the guy up for fsck's sake. He didn't kill or rape or hurt anybody. He wasn't selling methamphetamines to unsuspecting school kids. What kind of message are we trying to send here? It's okay to embezzle bazillions of dollars as the head of a corporation with not so much as a slap on the wrist, but if we publish information a la those "How It Works" children's books, we can be thrown in jail with a complimentary ass pounding.

    It makes me sick to know my tax dollars are supporting this kind bassackwards bullshit.

  33. Funny definition by Kjella · · Score: 2

    The judge presiding over the case of the MPAA vs Jon Johnshon ruled that code was a series of "actions" rather then "expressions" and will remain how courts look at code untill another judge questions this.

    So I suppose cooking recipies aren't protected either? After all, they're nothing but a series of actions rather than "expressions".

    Oh well, at least I don't have your US problems, we make up enough of our own...

    Kjella

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  34. Note on DVDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Before you work up a sweat writing these guys about DVD's, read the actual paper. They don't want to hear about DVD's because most DVDs are available in VHS format. If there is an alternative you might make use of, they don't want to hear about it. Your best bet is to look for places that have stopped carrying VHS altogether (I thought I read Best Buy had done that, but I don't recall) and suggest that VHS is likely to dissapear within the next 3 years. The more evidence the better, though, because it has to be "more likely than not," or again, they don't care to hear it. For those of you who can't stand the idea of boycotting the entertainment industries, this might be a time to quit renting VHS videos at the least (I know you've got a friend with a working player..!) As much as I'd hate to support a more closed format over a more open one, (debatable, but whatever) it seems that the faster VHS dies, the faster DVD gets exempted from the DMCA altogether.

  35. Re:Dammit. Post a coherent argument we can send th by blitziod · · Score: 1

    I think the idea about expired copyright work and works in the public domaian is VERY important when talkng about p2p issues with DMCA. Trading code from freeware( even ads can be placed in it) free or old music, text files of older books, etc are all VERY valid uses for p2p.

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  36. No good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a waste of time. It still broadly bans fair use except for some narrowly crafted exemptions.

    The preservation of preexisting fair use rights demands that a circumvention device should be banned only if it has no significant non-infringing uses.

  37. hey, come on! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they government doesn't have the right to stop circumcision!

  38. Encrypted distrib. shouldn't be protected at all. by SETIGuy · · Score: 2, Interesting
    My comment would be that encrypted or time limited distribution of copyrighted works is antithetical to the purpose of the copyright clause in the US Consitiution. Copyright was intended to promote the advancement of arts and sciences by ensuring that the authors would be entitled to sole distribution for a limited term, and that the works would enter the public domain following that term.

    Encrypted distribution can be used to prevent the limited term and the necessary public access required by the Consititution. Works can be rendered unreadable after the copyright expiration. Therefore, I would suggest that encrypted distribution should only be protected under copyright law if provision is made for release of unencrypted distribution at term expiration. This provision should be that the copyright holder should provide an unencrypted rendition of the work of equivalent (or higher) quality to the Library of Congress. Until this is provided, the copyright of the encrypted work should be considered invalid.

    Not to mention the obvious comments that all circumvention devices have fair-use potential and should therefore be permitted.

  39. Where's the rulemaking for protecting... by 3seas · · Score: 2

    for protecting the right to be creative and innovative?

  40. Why complain you can't contact the whores by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  41. They have Allow: Deny: filtering reversed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A free society requires laws filtering behavior based on
    Allow: All
    Deny: specifics

    Laws that try to filter based on
    Deny: All
    Allow:specifics

    are un-American at best.