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New "Secure" Xbox Cracked In Under A Week

ilsie writes "Numbnut says it all in his post at xboxhacker.net. To quote his post, 'On behalf of the Xbox Linux Team, I am proud to announce that at 10:45BST the 'v1.1' secure version of the Xbox was proven to be running arbitrary BIOS code in a normal 256KByte modchip - with no additional hardware required. In short, in under a week we were able to normalize the new box to enable it to interoperate with Linux properly.'"

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  1. EULA changes? by KernelHappy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    By any chance, has anyone checked to see if Microsoft modified the EULA when they released the new version of the Xbox? It would be interesting if they stuck anything in there that would strengthen their ability to prosecute and/or seek damages for circumvention of the protection scheme.

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    1. Re:EULA changes? by afidel · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Sorry but reverse engineering is pretty well established, if it wasn't then modern pc's wouldn't exist as Compaq would not have been able to reverse engineer the IBM bios and AMD would not have been able to reverse engineer the Intel CPU. Now they could try to come after them with the DMCA, but AFAIK these mod chips do not allow access to any protected content, but rather allow you to run arbitrary software on the hardware

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    2. Re:EULA changes? by Shelled · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It never occurred to me until reading the last sentence of your post, doesn't this in essence give Microsoft (and others) the power to create law? By standing behind EULAs it could be argued that governments give corporations a blank cheque to create legislation. "Put it in your EULA and we'll enforce it." (My EULA: IANAL)

    3. Re:EULA changes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      AMD didn't reverse engineer Intel's CPUs. They used to work together on processors.

    4. Re:EULA changes? by interiot · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yes, that's definitely a desired attribute of contract law. Since laws that are on the book won't ever be able to cover everything or be able to keep up with the variety of private interactions that can occur that would need legal coverage, private parties can both agree to specific terms that go beyond what's explictely on the books. There is a limit to how extreme contracts can get (eg. you can't say that if you don't hold up your end of the agreement, that the other person gets to kill you), but there's a wide area there for "creating law".

    5. Re:EULA changes? by alienw · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The reason modchips don't fall under the DMCA is because they don't bypass access controls. The dmca defines protection devices as something that "effectively controls access to a work". Since you can't access data on a game CD any better with a modchip, it doesn't bypass anything. IANAL, though, so I might be wrong.

    6. Re:EULA changes? by dattaway · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If I remember right, Mr. Gates himself related the story of reverse engineering MSDOS by dumpster diving for source code. There was also the incident of disk compression technology that was lifted from another company. To say that common people can not raise the hood of their own car to see how it works or put in a new engine might be called hypocritical.

    7. Re:EULA changes? by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 5, Informative
      AMD didn't reverse engineer Intel's CPUs. They used to work together on processors
      Well, I wouldn't say "work together"... :-P

      AMD had some fantastic processes for -- at the time -- incredibly fine micron CMOS fabrication. Intel had dink to show in the fab department. In order to build a 386 faster than 16 MHz, that wouldn't require raised-floor equipment to keep cool, they needed a license on AMD's fabrication technology.

      AMD exchanged this license, in exchange for a license on 286 and future technologies. The grounds for what these future technologies were comprised of were the grounds for the Intel/AMD legal battles of the '90's. The courts agreed this was inclusive of the i386 microcode, and the rest... is history

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    8. Re:EULA changes? by mbogosian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sorry but reverse engineering is pretty well established....

      Here, here! (Of course it's not legal anymore, but that's splitting hairs....)

      Whatever happened to legitimate forms of deterrance? If I crack open my TiVo, I void the warranty. I can dick around all I want, but if I screw something up, I have to pay to have it fixed. This is enough to deter most of the technology-ignorant public from screwing with their hardware, and it's a method which has been around for years. Has everyone forgotten about this?

    9. Re:EULA changes? by Galvatron · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think the reason Shelled is trying to draw a distinction is that arguably, EULA's are not contracts. There is no meeting between the two parties, no chance for negotiation, no signature, the EULA is perpetual, and a price is paid for a physical good (making it look very much like a sale, covered by first sale doctrine rather than contract law). Of course, IANAL, but from the articles that get on Slashdot every now and again, it sounds like the courts haven't quite settled on an answer as to whether EULA's are legitimate contracts or not.

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    10. Re:EULA changes? by DragonMagic · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Problems I find with your argument:

      1) You assume a person reads an EULA. Even though a contract can still hold up if you don't read it, you're still required to sign it. If you never read an EULA or agree to it through a click, then how are you agreeing to it? Simply because they say "By using this product, you agree to our terms"?

      2) Another problem with EULAs are many of the corporate ones are too one-sided. They're not responsible for anything, but you're fully responsible to follow all their rules. Some even say you can't even talk about the product or take pictures of it or anything without permission, but that they can use your information for their company's marketing research without your permission to do so. (that is, they can use it to market you magazines whether or not you asked for them)

      3) You don't need to be 18 to buy many EULA products, and to have a contract valid, either a person 18 or older must agree to it, or the parent or guardian of that under-18 person must agree to have that person agree. When a 17 year old purchases an Xbox and takes it home, goes through the licensing agreements on his own, then starts playing, how can Microsoft say the EULA can still affect him?

      4) There are many people who play video games who cannot read, or cannot read English. So EULAs written in English are still valid even though the other party cannot understand them? I do believe that contracts have to be signed by parties that understand them, and if it's in another language, the translator must sign off on them. I could be wrong, of course.

      But again, EULAs are hardly contracts in the sense of contracts, but more of agreements that you won't do bad things to the company issuing the product. I can't wait until EULAs are struck down and normal copyright laws apply to the products (or patents to hardware).

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    11. Re:EULA changes? by shepd · · Score: 4, Interesting

      >Instead you'll have a bare minimum sit down with a sales negoiator. You and he will talka bout the contract you will be shortly signing.

      That's the idea. If it becomes a major PITA (and this is) to buy products that require a EULA, then people won't. They will prefer to buy products covered by basic copyright law (like GPLd products) and will be happy that they didn't waste their time buying products that take _forever_ to buy.

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    12. Re:EULA changes? by dreamword · · Score: 3, Insightful
      You raise good issues. However, things are not precisely as you state (or, perhaps, as they should be).

      1) You assume a person reads an EULA. Even though a contract can still hold up if you don't read it, you're still required to sign it. If you never read an EULA or agree to it through a click, then how are you agreeing to it? Simply because they say "By using this product, you agree to our terms"?

      It doesn't matter if the person reads the EULA, mostly because there's really no way to prove whether or not the person read the EULA. In this context, clicking "accept" is as good as a signature. If you're curious, see ProCD v. Zeidenberg, one of the first clickwrap cases. It's a very good opinion reasoning why clickwraps should be binding.


      2) Another problem with EULAs are many of the corporate ones are too one-sided. They're not responsible for anything, but you're fully responsible to follow all their rules. Some even say you can't even talk about the product or take pictures of it or anything without permission, but that they can use your information for their company's marketing research without your permission to do so. (that is, they can use it to market you magazines whether or not you asked for them)

      They are definitely "one-sided" in that one side has more responsibilities to the other side. However, it's not true that you're just signing away your rights for nothing; if you were, there would be no binding contract. You're signing away your rights to do certain things in exchange for them letting you use their software. The right to use their software does not cost just what you pay for the box at the store; it costs what you pay for the box at the store PLUS your agreement to follow the license terms.
      3) You don't need to be 18 to buy many EULA products, and to have a contract valid, either a person 18 or older must agree to it, or the parent or guardian of that under-18 person must agree to have that person agree. When a 17 year old purchases an Xbox and takes it home, goes through the licensing agreements on his own, then starts playing, how can Microsoft say the EULA can still affect him?

      Good one. I'm not sure. There are some kinds of contracts that minors can make, but I don't think this is one of them. If there's no contract, it's possible that the minor might not be held to the license terms, and we'll have to rely on under-18ers to do our dirty work. On the other hand, it's possible that the minor can't assert the right to USE the program at the same time as they assert the right NOT TO BE BOUND to the terms of the license agreement. Anybody have a better grasp on this area? I don't know if there have been any minor-clickwrap cases. Same goes for English-illiterate clickwrap cases; I just don't know if anyone's litigated it yet.

      But again, EULAs are hardly contracts in the sense of contracts, but more of agreements that you won't do bad things to the company issuing the product. I can't wait until EULAs are struck down and normal copyright laws apply to the products (or patents to hardware).


      They're definitely contracts, in any legal sense of the word. It sucks (I think first sale doctrine should apply, and there should be some consumer-software default rules set legislatively that are hard for software companies to EULA around), but that's how it is.
    13. Re:EULA changes? by starling · · Score: 5, Informative

      That was the BASIC, which was based on a listing of Dartmouth BASIC which they found in the trash. All MS did was port it to a different processor. They bought MSDOS from another company.

      That's right, MS's original flagship products weren't written by MS. They started as they meant to continue.

  2. If you secure it, they will come... by LowAmmoWarning · · Score: 5, Funny

    and crack it.

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  3. any chance? by rizawbone · · Score: 4, Funny

    could these xbox hackers come over and get my ms office from asking for my cd every time i do a 'find' in explorer?

    that would REALLY impress me.

  4. This actually _is_ funny. by TrueKonrads · · Score: 5, Informative

    It brings me to this following tought: You can't protect anything that user has physical access to. Same situation is observable amongst CD 'copy (mis)protection' . Smart lads crack it in one week session. Maybe people should stop wasting money on copy proections and focus instead on actual product?

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    1. Re:This actually _is_ funny. by Bishop · · Score: 4, Informative

      You can't protect anything that user has physical access to

      I think that the designers of the IBM 4758 cryptographic coprocessors might disagree. The IBM4732 is supposed to be tampre proof.

      Ofcourse if you were to say that you can't protect anything that users have access to at a reasonable price. Then you would be correct. You would also be correct to say that security is hard and must be integrated into the system from the first design stages and not hacked on later.

    2. Re:This actually _is_ funny. by lars_stefan_axelsson · · Score: 5, Interesting
      I think that the designers of the IBM 4758 [ibm.com] cryptographic coprocessors might disagree. The IBM4732 is supposed to be tampre proof [rutgers.edu].

      And yet, an application on the IBM4732 was hacked a little under a year ago. Granted it wasn't the processor as such, but a very important application that is delivered with the processor. Getting the whole system right is hard.

      If you want more material on why tamper proofing is difficult; Ross Anderson's team at Cambridge is a good resource. (And they have performed a number of nice hacks Markus Kuhn's optical eavesdropping for example).

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    3. Re:This actually _is_ funny. by Henry+V+.009 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It is not tamper proof. The vulnerability is the enivronment sensors, which can be neutralized. The worst design flaw is that the IBM4732 doesn't have a block of thermite sitting on top that destroys the hardware in case of tampering. That wouldn't be fool-proof, but would mean that your lab would destroy a number of them in the initial 'figuring out how it works' stage. (Even better than thermite is a larger bomb that kills your scientists along with destroying the device. But scientists are replacable, so all you are really doing is raising costs.) Without the thermite, your lab only needs to procure one extra, take it apart, find all the tamper sensors and figure out a method to neutralize them. After that, you can take apart all the IC's with impunity. And really at this point your work is done. You duplicate the RAM contents, figure out the private keys (they have to be stored somewhere), and you have all the information. Very expensive process, but doable.

      A very interesting historical parallel is the British bomb defusers, who worked on defusing failed German bombs. At first it was dangerous, but still relatively easy. Afterwards the Germans starting figuring out ways to booby-trap the bombs just in case they didn't go off right away. This was defeated. And finally they engineered bombs specifically to kill bomb defuse teams. Even this was defeated. A very interesting history that includes many of the greatest acts of bravery during the war.

    4. Re:This actually _is_ funny. by Bishop · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Very expensive process, but doable.

      Cost is always part of the doability [sic]. When designing a secure system part of the equation is how hard it would be to crack the system. It is possible to brute force RSA, but that does not make RSA any less secure. The same concept applies here. If it would cost more to crack the system then it would to buy an insider, then the system is, for most purposes, secure.

  5. You should be ashamed of yourselves. by zulux · · Score: 4, Funny


    The good, hard working, people at Microsoft(tm) have worked long and hard to give you a Video-Game systmem that plays the games you want.

    Instead of happily purchasing the system and all twelve games, and three extra HandHurt(tm) controllers - you go and make the poor people at Microsoft(tm) cry.

    I think it's time you helped a good American(tm) company like Microsoft, instead of promoting the Communist-Finnish Linux.

    Please, don't take food out of a fellow American(tm) - buy your Xbox today!

    (MS: Please credit MSDN account #2341 for this post)

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    1. Re:You should be ashamed of yourselves. by JungleBoy · · Score: 5, Funny

      No. I think he means these

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  6. What about waiting for Palladium ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What about waiting for the first Palladium machines, and hacking those ?

    Hacking the X-Box is great, I'm sure. But how much greater to wait for the companies most keen to restrict all our rights to invest a whole lot of money in Palladium - just to see it cracked and made completely useless ? It might even make them completely give up on the whole idea for a long, long time to come.

    1. Re:What about waiting for Palladium ? by anonymous+coword · · Score: 3, Interesting

      As I stated in an earlier post, palladium can and will be cracked. Cracking the new xbox is proof that microsofts security methods are inferoir. Itwill convince people not to trust microsofts padillum, and will help to discourage it.

  7. Preventitive Security by jdkane · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Once the complete XBox product is in the customer's hands, all the security in the world is simply a set of preventitive measures.
    Because the product is an autonomous unit, obviously anybody is free to hit it from any angle until the security is broken.

    I'm sure Microsoft doesn't really expect that the XBox product will be totally secure. So it's probably not such a big deal whenever the product is cracked.

    However Microsoft's sporatic changes to the XBox security may easily cause confusion to consumers who try to purchase mod chips (because different version exist), which in and of itself it a good tactic. Frustrated consumers are probably less likely to spend money on modifications after they find some mods don't work (because they are meant for a different version of the XBox).

  8. This new xbox not really done for 'security' by falzbro · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It seems that everyone is considering this new xbox revision to be a security upgrade, which it really doesnt seem to be. A few things on the PCB have changed, such as the USB header now being integrated on the main mobo, and few other things.

    It seems to me (and others) that MS did a slight revision to cut costs. While they were at it, they did a few (very minor) changes to the BIOS to deter hackers. It's kind of gotten out of hand how people are calling this the 'new version that MS created just to not be hackable'.

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    1. Re:This new xbox not really done for 'security' by Troed · · Score: 5, Informative
      Oh, so you mean the totally new chain of trust, hashing and public key crypto they put in between the MCPX and the BIOS wasn't a security upgrade?


      Here's a thread you need to study.

  9. It just goes to prove... by fishlet · · Score: 4, Interesting


    It doesn't matter if you hire the smartest people you can find... theres always someone out there smarter. Microsoft may have put it's best people behind it's security initiative, but there are always going to be people out there that are more intelligent- not to mention more motivated. Or to make this a bit simpler... I think there are more people who want to hack the Xbox then there who don't want it hacked- it's pretty obvious who's gonna win. All MS will do is going to do is make it more challenging and guess what... theres plenty of people who like challenges. The more challenging it is, the more it's "just gotta" be hacked.

    1. Re:It just goes to prove... by epine · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This is a hierarchy of smarterness. It's a battle of Smaug against riddling hobbits and the arrow of destiny. Be careful where you stand when DRM falls, it will make a big ugly splash.

      Eventually the dragons *will* win if they learn hard lessons from every mistake. The only question is whether the dragon, once perfectly armoured, will still be able to fly, or whether it will be so encrusted with layer upon layer of protective armour it can't really hurt anyone who doesn't stumble into its path. Copy protection died in the late eighties when people discovered it was more onerous than advantageous. When copy protection actually works, it drives your legitimate customers crazy. That's my hope for DRM, that it becomes so good no one can stand it.

  10. Betcha Nvidia's Pissed by Jason+Earl · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Didn't Nvidia have to write off a bunch of hardware that became obsolete when Microsoft changed the XBox?

    1. Re:Betcha Nvidia's Pissed by Jason+Earl · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I suppose it is somewhat comical that anyone would consider partnering with Microsoft in this day and age. Even the devil has a better reputation of living up to his end of the bargain.

  11. Re:All Right!! by dwc16 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "WHY would you want to run Linux on your X-Box? That is beyond me. You can get a fast PC for under $300. And a monitor - TVs have totally shitty resolution"

    Answer (for some)
    Find me a PC that can do progressive scan and/or component-out for under 300$. Now, hooked up to a nice plasma/front projector, etc etc, I can

    - Run emulator's, yum!
    - Watch any type of media that I please, full screen

    That's just for starters. There is always a legit counter point. For me, I could pick up the new AIW 9700 with component-out, but I've already spent 300$ right there.

    This is what excites joe-blows like me, no more having to drag the PC into the den and run a shitty s-video/whatever output to my HDTV.

    I hope I've helped people to see one appeal for going through the long process of getting the xbox ready to run Linux, then running 100's of things thru that, including W2K.

  12. Re:If they cant secure an Xbox. by FooBarWidget · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It doesn't matter wether Palladium gets cracked or not, because for the vast majority of users, there will be no difference. The security may be "good enough" so that it can only cracked by using illegal hardware.
    If the majority ("average users") can't break the security, then any solution is useless.

  13. The Xbox is Microsoft's test of Palladium by jjh37997 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Don't you get it? The Xbox is Microsoft's test case for Palladium. They try their best to secure the Xbox and wait for the hackers to bust it. They keep on doing this until they find a way to lock it down to the point were nobody can hack it. Then they role out Palladium with all the safe-guards in place and hacker tested. You XBox hackers are just a tool of Microsoft!

    1. Re:The Xbox is Microsoft's test of Palladium by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ah - Microsoft's agents are modding the parent funny.

    2. Re:The Xbox is Microsoft's test of Palladium by cschieke · · Score: 5, Informative

      While there is actually some logic to that position, there is some history that shows this is a bad approach for MS to take. Way back when, in 1997 Ian Goldberg presented a talk on (amoung other things) how in Europe incremental changes to the security of GSM networks lead to a whole "generation" of well trained hackers. I don't think MS is really looking to do that for the community.

  14. Some Background by warmcat · · Score: 5, Informative

    Disclaimer: I am numbnut.

    The 1.1 version of the Xbox is certainly designed to be Palladium Lite. The concept is that no code is executed unless it matches a one way hash signature. The only exception is the boot ROM (512 bytes) which lives in the nVidia-designed MCPX chip; this is used to validate the next code to execute, which validates the next code to execute and so on.

    Unfortunately for MS (and perhaps nVidia), they chose a hashing algorithm which already had a known flaw. The hash, which works on QWORDS (64-bit quantities) is completely insensitive to b31 and b63 of a QWORD both being inverted.

    Doubly unfortunately for MS, the VERY FIRST DWORD of the hashed region is the entry point, and contains a long relative jump. The effect of flipping b31 and b63 on this QWORD is to retarget the jump to RAM.

    Triply unfortunately for MS, they have a small interpreter built into their ROM code, whose instruction set is capabel to to IO amd memory r/w before the bootrom is validated and executed. It was trivial to add some memory writes to the interpreted code stream to prep the memory targetted by the modified jump with a jump back into the flash.

    The end result is perversion of the hashed region in a way invisible to the hashing algorithm, and execution flow jumping to arbitrary code in the flash.

    I urge anyone interested in both the technical detail and the larger issues raised by this to read the threads on http://www.xboxhacker.net as this is a much larger issue than simply another Xbox crack.

    1. Re:Some Background by Ektanoor · · Score: 5, Interesting

      These reminds me of one program supposedly protected by a well known hardware key. The thing was roughly this:

      IF (there is key on parallel port) AND (The key is working) {FORGET THE ... KEY AND RUN PROGRAM}

      A few NOPS and some correction on jump point and the program was running without the key. For an Assembler old timer, it took nearly 15 seconds to Veni Vidi Vici (Julius Cesar phrase - I came, I saw and I won).

      Considering that these hacks are slightly similar and that the hack I described is more than ten years old, then one can take an estimation on the level of security in XBox...

  15. Please can someone explain to me ... by Tim+Ward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... why anyone should want to run Linux on an Xbox? What will you be able to do with it that you can't do with Linux running on a proper computer?

    1. Re:Please can someone explain to me ... by Squarewav · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Two questions:

      1:Can the Linux XBOX even use the Nvidia??

      2:With the PS2 Linux can you compile stand alone PS2 games and apps that don't require loading linux first??

  16. Re:If they cant secure an Xbox. by vinyl1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Actually, the paddalium is what Bill Gates will shortly be applying to the bottoms of these naughty hackers.

  17. Reverse engineering NOT a given by m11533 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I would recommend you read up on the legal issue of reverse engineering because it is under attack and it is not at all obvious that it will survive. I believe the latest issue of ACM Communications has an excellent article on the topic. Recent US Government laws are very disconcerting.

  18. Re:Microsoft should give up by mbogosian · · Score: 3, Funny

    Microsoft would avoid the embarrassment by including a Linux CD with each Xbox.

    Yeah, but they'd call it "MS Unix" or "MS OpenSource" something. I had no idea Microsoft invented HTML until I saw the file type for .htm docs in Windows....

  19. Re:Question for you. by handsomepete · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Please show me the $199 PC that has a DVD drive, onboard NIC, decent video and sound that I can run into my TV and, while on, is pretty much noiseless that also plays Xbox games. Provide links, if possible, and I'll go buy one instead of the Xbox I was planning on buying (refurb on sale for $159.99 at Electronics Boutique!) today. If you could, please hurry as the sale ends this weekend.

    I'm not being entirely sarcastic (if there really is a place that sells comparable $200 PCs, I would buy one), but I am tired of this whole "you can get PCs for the price of an Xbox" argument. My motherboard cost almost that much by itself. My video card cost more than that. Just because I can get a crappy Microtel or whatever at Wal-Mart for $200 bucks doesn't mean it's just as good.

    Anyways, all of this hacking stuff is over my head, but I would assume that the challenge is kind of interesting and being part of the group that is a watchdog to the predecessor to Palladium must be at least part of the intrigue. But what do I know. *shrug*

  20. Re:food for thought by tuffy · · Score: 3, Interesting
    You know, it's vocal, endorsed and promoted projects like this that give the OSS and free software community a bad name. YOU might view it as tinkering or whatever but the general populace views it as "pissing in the pool" so to speak.

    Judging from the X-Box's market share (or lack thereof), the general populace cares about as much about the X-Box as they do about Linux (which isn't a whole lot).

    And even though the number of people using X-Boxes as cheap PCs is small, Microsoft certainly appreciates not having those consoles as unsold inventory (which would cost them even more).

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  21. What contract did I sign? by Inoshiro · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't recall the EB guys hounding me to sign some sort of contract when I bought my Xbox. In fact, I don't recall any sort of contract in the box with it that I signed.

    The closest thing I could find was the ABOUT XBOX in the dashboard, which talks about how the softvare on the Xbox is protected by copyright law. Since I have no intention of pirating the Xbox dashboard, I think I'm legal.

    Plus, once I own something, it's mine. As I've said before, I could rip off the top of my Xbox, put all my night soil in there, and grow flowers from the rich loam. Microsoft can't say anything to me about the use of it, because I own it.

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  22. Some damn idea by Ektanoor · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I know this is a little bit unscientific, and rather illusory but...

    Xbox is small, nitty and costs only $200. It possesses a 3D chip, a not so bad 733MHz processor, ethernet connection and an hard drive. Frankly it is not so bad for a cheap cluster... Sincerly, I have seen a few clusters for which the cluster units were a little worse than XBox...

    Maybe the chance for M$ to reach Top 500? Imagine, an horde of penguins helping up Redmond to reach the heights of computer industry...

    1. Re:Some damn idea by MyHair · · Score: 5, Funny

      Um, did he just say "imagine a beowulf cluster of these" (albeit with different wording) and get modded to +4 interesting?

  23. Re:food for thought by nagora · · Score: 3, Interesting
    You know, it's vocal, endorsed and promoted projects like this that give the OSS and free software community a bad name.

    If you mean by "bad name" that they stand for the right of people that BUY a product to use it without fear of being hounded by an lawbreaking organisation such as Microsoft, or that they aim to defend the written law of fair use from being destroyed by bribes and corruption at the highest levels of the judicial system then I'm all for being called "Mudd".

    Perhaps the OSS and free software community should consider a different approach to establishing their self-image and promoting their cause.

    Perhaps you should consider your position as a marketing droid's wet dream. Perhaps you should consider your role as an instrument of corporate interferance in everyday life. Perhaps you should consider smelling the coffee.

    It would appear that you have lost sight of what (not just) Microsoft are trying do here: they are trying to say "You paid us fair and square for our machine but we still own it and, in fact, we now own a little bit of you because we can tell you what (not) to do with our little box of tricks."

    As a great man once said "Fuck that".

    TWW

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  24. Re:We need to bring back Guilds.. by Windcatcher · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The fact that we're being called "consumers" instead of "customers" sadly illustrates the cynical attitude of many corporate types. "Shut up and buy our stuff, you nose-picking, beer-guzzling sheep!"

    To paraphrase someone else, most people, according to them, "are a bunch of pathetic hamsters who only know to press the pellet bar and chitter excitedly to one another about the size of the pellet they received."

    I'm a customer, Mr. Gates, and as far as I'm concerned, entropy will claim the universe before I pay one red cent for another of your products.

  25. News? by fire-eyes · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My feelings for MS are widely know, but for once I'm not trying to troll.

    Given the facts, how is this news?

    In my eyes, it isn't.

    What WOULD be news would be "secure xbox cracked after exhaustive 6 month effort by 3 teams of 1200 people".

    Agreed?

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  26. Re:Anyone care to tell me what the big deal is? by Nintendork · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This new revision had the security key changed. Microsoft had to scrap a lot of the older parts to make this change. The change had only been implemented in the plant that supplies Australia and it's already cracked. That's why it's news.

  27. ACM Communications by BlueboyX · · Score: 3, Informative

    It is in the latest issue. It says 'reverse engineering under siege,' It doesn't attempt to predict who will win the legal matters, but explains what the threat is and how it will cause extreme harm to the tech industry if reverse engineering is taken away. Most slashdotters probably know most of that, but it is an interesting read.

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  28. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  29. Xbox Security - The Movie by Cheese+Cracker · · Score: 4, Funny

    Subtitle: Cracked in 60 seconds.