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10Gbps Wireless Transfers

Erasei writes "NTT Science and Core Technology Laboratory Group has developed a wireless communications that is capable of transmitting data at speeds of up to 10Gbps. In order to achieve such high data transmission speeds, the system uses the as-yet-unused 120GHz frequency band. The actual bandwidth the system uses is 17GHz, and the method of modulation employed is amplitude shift keying."

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  1. FP by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 1, Interesting

    So is this faster than current wired tech, or am I lagging behind?

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    1. Re:FP by mikelcito · · Score: 1, Informative

      It may be faster than current wired tech for home and office use, but it is definetely slower than current fiber optic systems. These can carry between 200 and 300 channels each one at 10 Gbit/s or about 100 channels at 40 Gbit/s

      Mind that the system proposed by NTT is intented for point to point communication and not for LANs.

  2. Getting faster by molywi · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yesterday there was an article about 19megabits.. now its 10gbps.. Wow, we are getting faster everyday!

    1. Re:Getting faster by Guspaz · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's 19 megabit over cell phone. This is not over cell phone.

      Regards, Adam.

    2. Re:Getting faster by Guspaz · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Redundant? It was the fourth post, how the hell is it redundant?

    3. Re:Getting faster by cdrudge · · Score: 2

      Not to get too nit-pickey, but they are both wireless so I think the original comment still holds some merit.

    4. Re:Getting faster by ActiveSX · · Score: 5, Funny

      10 gbps/day increase. Kiss our asses, Moore.

    5. Re:Getting faster by Guspaz · · Score: 1

      Not really, consumer wireless technology is way past 19mbit, as can bee seen especially by 802.11a. Current cell phones aren't nearly as fast. They're two different things.

      So saying "They're both wireless" is like comparing 100mbit ethernet to 10gbit fibre. Apples and oranges.

    6. Re:Getting faster by dgmartin98 · · Score: 1

      Strictly speaking, here are the differences:

      Yesterday's article was about a mobile network. That is, at least one of the devices has the possibility of moving, which introduces fading. Fading is a serious impairment to the signal reception. Also, that mobile network has the possibility of multiple access interference (other users), another serious impairment to received signal to noise ratio.

      Today's article (this one) is about two fixed wireless devices, separated by maybe a couple of feet (see the picture in the article). No fading is involved and no interference from other users is apparent.

      Dave

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    7. Re:Getting faster by dgmartin98 · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah, and yesterday's article was not about just cell phones. 3G networks allow mobile terminals like your laptop, PDA, wristwatch phone, Star Trek communicator, whatever...

      Dave

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  3. THIS JUST IN! by CoffeeJedi · · Score: 5, Funny

    A large number of birds seem to be falling out of the sky fully cooked near the NTT Science and Core Technology Laboratory Group headquarters near the experimental wireless data towers. More on this strange story as it develops.

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    1. Re:THIS JUST IN! by Hadlock · · Score: 5, Funny

      actually, there's a space junk tracking facility somewhere in the pan handle of texas, at least, that's the radar sending station..... you'll see a flock of geese go flying past the mile long radar array and all of a sudden the whole flying V will start spiraling downwards till they nearly hit the ground, then suddenly fly upwards again, and spiral back down again until one of them finally spirals out of the radar's effective field, at which point the rest of the geese (or whatever) see one goose flying normally and follow after him. very strange.

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    2. Re:THIS JUST IN! by SecGreen · · Score: 1

      You've got to get some video of that.....

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    3. Re:THIS JUST IN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      me too ! me too !
      come on, record it !

    4. Re:THIS JUST IN! by Bighund · · Score: 1

      Have you ever noticed that one side of the "V" that geese fly in is always longer than the other side? The space junk tracking facility that Hadlock mentioned finally figured out why this is.

      There's more geese in it. :)

  4. range? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    whats the signal range?

  5. What range? by WittyName · · Score: 3, Informative

    Looks like about 2 feet. And it would seem to be highly directional.

    Not sure what this would be usefull for..

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    1. Re:What range? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      perfect if your nodes are 12 feet apart and you only have a 10 foot cable.

    2. Re:What range? by Guspaz · · Score: 1

      I know nothing about how signals degrade over distance, but I'd assume that this technology could be used to send 100mbit at much greater distances.

      And what's to stop them from using an omnidirectional antenna?

      Regards, Adam.

    3. Re:What range? by Red+Herring · · Score: 4, Informative

      Did you read the article???

      "In the laboratory, a 10m range for the system has been confirmed, but NTT is expecting to try and extend the range to 100m." ..12 second...7 seconds....2 seconds... Submit!

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    4. Re:What range? by WittyName · · Score: 5, Interesting

      120Ghz? I can not think of an op-amp that works anywhere near the freq. Not to mention a waveguide to get your output to the antenna.

      As for omnidirectional, that would lower your effective point to point power further.

      At these freq's it could only be useful for point-to-point comms.

      I wonder why they did not just leave it all optical.

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    5. Re:What range? by LittleBigScript · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, this is perfect for high-speed data communications that need to be transfered from one desk to the one sitting across from it.

      I wonder how we could do that...oh! I know!

      High speed data communications in previously unused (and unregulated) spectrum. Anyway, how do you regulate light.

      I know, you may be wondering, won't this have serious side effects for people.

      Don't worry we'll test it on engineers and programmers.

    6. Re:What range? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Read the article. It says 10 metres confirmed in the lab with 100 metres expected.

    7. Re:What range? by swb · · Score: 3, Funny

      It'll be useful for trading movies with your 3cm optical disks on your cellphone.

    8. Re:What range? by DjMd · · Score: 5, Funny

      Actually I'm hoping to transmit from the desk to the object sitting at the desk...

      My current device uses the 560nm-800nm electromagentic spectrum. And while it can send a large volume of data quickly, my receiving unit processes the data, but most it is lost in storage. If only the process wasn't so lossy!

      Can anyone recommend any upgrades? I am still using the orginal neural network that came with this model...

      (too subtle?)

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    9. Re:What range? by LittleBigScript · · Score: 1

      Obviously you're looking for some sort of cyborg impliment to get this model up to Borg(tm) compatable benchmarks.

      If you give me a grant of, say, around 50-60 billion dollars(adjustable to inflation) annually over the next, say 70 years I guanantee will build you a working model. Note this is not an actual, legally binding guarantee.

    10. Re:What range? by DjMd · · Score: 1

      Ok! Just get started and I will pass the bill along to congress, and I'm sure it will be approved in no time.

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    11. Re:What range? by spaceyhackerlady · · Score: 4, Informative
      High speed data communications in previously unused (and unregulated) spectrum. Anyway, how do you regulate light.

      Actually, 120 GHz is a fully regulated part of the radio spectrum. The Powers That Be regulate it (and assign users) up to 300 GHz. There is increasing interest in this part of the spectrum, partly because the lower frequencies are getting crowded in some parts of the world, and because atmosphereic attenuation (which is high at these frequencies) makes frequency reuse a lot easier. The military are interested too, since that same attenuation makes it hard for unfriendlies to listen in on tacitcal communications. Unless they're right in the middle of the battle, in which case they have other things to worry about...

      Anything beyond 300 GHz is terra incognita - electronic techniques become impractical, and optical techniques don't work well until you go lots higher in frequency. You can buy infrared data links that will shoot data across town, and they are not regulated (as radios) in any way. They require laser certification only.

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    12. Re:What range? by mesocyclone · · Score: 3, Informative

      Specifically... as the frequency goes up, the amount of energy captured by an antenna of a given size goes down by the square of the wavelength. The directivity goes up by a complex relationship with the size of the antenna.

      Thus at very high frequencies you have to have exponentially more power to transmit the same distance, or you have to have an equivalently more directional antenna.

      This fact is one of the reasons that spectrum is so valuable. The higher the frequency, the more costly and less practical it is to use it for non-stationary applications. In addition, as you get to higher frequencies you run into more problems with attenuation due to atmosphere, rain, walls, earth, etc. In addition to that, transmitters are significantly less power efficient at higher frequencies.

      Add all that up and you have several exponentials retarding advances into higher frequencies.

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    13. Re:What range? by dgmartin98 · · Score: 1

      They're not trying for a mobile network, here. It's a fixed-wireless application. Building-to-building, and all that stuff.

      Therefore, you don't want omnidirectional.

      Dave

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    14. Re:What range? by jovlinger · · Score: 1

      yeah, it's only 1.5 orders of prefix magnitude away from visible light. red light is about 450 THz.

      I think this explains why it is kinda directional, if I remember my phys101 correctly.

    15. Re:What range? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been using the same neural network for decades, and though it gets pretty fragmented sometimes, I suggest you don't mess with it.

      I do find that I can speed up NN processes with Java, especially right after booting up. I've also improved the resolution of my data receiver with a package call Bifocal (currently using version 2).

      If you have the money, I find that Secretary apps sort files, remember birthdays, and even do your Java processes routinely. Recently, Secretary apps are marketed as "AdminAssistant" or "ExecutiveAssistant", so you have to be careful what you ask for.

    16. Re:What range? by J1a2o · · Score: 1

      100 m perhaps.. but how will that thing pass through walls?

  6. Any encryption challenges at that speed? by gregwbrooks · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Pardon my ignorance, but are there additional challenges on real-time encryption when wireless gets that fast?

    I'm not thinking so much of a peer-to-peer or client/server setup where there's a networking handshake, but more along the lines of a broadcast data stream meant for everyone (or maybe just a few certain someones) to pick up.

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    1. Re:Any encryption challenges at that speed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      IPsec. It's just part of the data layer, thus is pretty much independent of the transmission layer (at least in terms of "media" (what's the right word for wireless? medialess media? air?)). As a plus, it works better than WEP anyway.

    2. Re:Any encryption challenges at that speed? by Abcd1234 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, if you're planning on doing real-time encryption of that much data, odds are very good you're planning to use a hardware encryption widget of some kind. For example, according to this article, Xilinx has developed an FPGA that implements DES at 10 Gb/s. 'course, I'd imaging there are ASICs out there with even better performance (I only performed a cursory search).

    3. Re:Any encryption challenges at that speed? by bagsc1 · · Score: 1

      The media is 120GHz broadcast. TV and radio are media also, and they travel through air.

    4. Re:Any encryption challenges at that speed? by patbob · · Score: 1

      Since the signal is optically processed until the very last instant when it is converted to electrical for transmission, is there perhaps an optical encryption method that could be applied?

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    5. Re:Any encryption challenges at that speed? by XNormal · · Score: 2

      Encryption at these speeds with custom hardware is not too expensive.

      I don't think anyone is going to be broadcasting data on the 120GHz band, though. At these frequencies radio is strictly line-of-sight. Encryption and key management is relatively simple in a point-to-point application.

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  7. it will probably be slashdotted, not a major site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    NTT Develops 10Gbps Wireless System

    October 18, 2002 (TOKYO) -- NTT Science and Core Technology Laboratory Group has developed a wireless communications system using the 120GHz band.

    The system, which is capable of transmitting data at speeds of up to 10Gbps, was displayed at the "NTT R&D Forum 2002" event held Oct. 11 in Atsugi.

    The new system is four times as fast as the 2.5Gbps wireless system NTT put on show at the same event in 2001. This is the first time the laboratory experimented with a 10Gbps wireless system (photo). There are many potential uses for such a high-speed wireless technology, such as for 10Gbps wireless Ethernet links or for radio links between different buildings where a high volume of data has to be sent to and fro. NTT plans to announce the new system at the "Asia-Pacific Microwave Conference" (APMC) to be held in Kyoto in November.

    In order to achieve such high data transmission speeds, the system uses the as-yet-unused 120GHz frequency band. The actual bandwidth the system uses is 17GHz, and the method of modulation employed is amplitude shift keying (ASK), the simplest method of amplitude modulation for digital signals. According to an NTT source, by modifying the modulation method, the throughput rate will be improved.

    NTT also used optical communications technology to make the 120GHz system possible. A 120GHz optical pulse signal is generated, and then undergoes amplitude modulation. After modulation, the signal is picked up by a special photodiode capable of responding with the high-speed signal. The output from the photodiode is then transmitted as a wireless signal. The special photodiode used was developed with NTT's own technology, and can handle optical inputs of up to 300GHz.

    The main difference between last year's system and the new one is that the receiver frequency detection circuitry has been redesigned, meaning that the receiver can detect signals over a wider bandwidth, and thus the system can operate at faster speeds. The new detection circuit can receive signals from an 8.5GHz band at maximum. Because the system employs two detection circuits working in tandem, the finished system realizes more than a 17GHz band.

    At "NTT R&D Forum 2002," the system was shown transmitting non-compressed HDTV-quality (1.5Gbps) video data. In order to extend the range of the transmission, a 20cm-diameter lens was used to focus the beam. In the laboratory, a 10m range for the system has been confirmed, but NTT is expecting to try and extend the range to 100m.

  8. OK... keep us posted by Gruneun · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In order to extend the range of the transmission, a 20cm-diameter lens was used to focus the beam. In the laboratory, a 10m range for the system has been confirmed, but NTT is expecting to try and extend the range to 100m

    From a scientific standpoint, this is somewhat interesting. I don't see it being news, however, until they seriosuly decrease the size of the transmitters and/or increase the range. The transmitters look to be about the size of a shoebox, which is great for building-to-building, but let us know when they actually bump up the range to say... building-to-building distances.

    1. Re:OK... keep us posted by mekkab · · Score: 2

      For such a high speed, in the forseeable future you only need it for building to building MAN backbone.

      and from the article:
      "In the laboratory, a 10m range for the system has been confirmed, but NTT is expecting to try and extend the range to 100m."

      Bamn- there's your MAN infrastructure.

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  9. Fast Wireless by FeatherBoa · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...is called "fibre optic"; hundred terabits and look ma - no wires!

  10. wave propagation similar to infrared by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Radio waves at 120GHZ travel like light. The signal wont go through walls at all.

    1. Re:wave propagation similar to infrared by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      let alone work in the rain, does this have a large cost advantage over free space optics?

    2. Re:wave propagation similar to infrared by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Radio waves at 120GHZ travel like light.

      uhh, Radio wave, ARE light, its no wonder they travel like light!

    3. Re:wave propagation similar to infrared by FuzzyDaddy · · Score: 5, Informative
      Actually, 120 GHz will penetrate walls, to some extent.

      Millimeter wave imaging can operate in this frequency, because there's an atmospheric window (read: longer range) around there, and because most non-conducting "solid" object appear translucent at that wavelength.

      So we would expect some penetration through walls. Especially the cheap drywall they use where I work

      Rain will reduce the range/bandwidth, but it should go through dust, smoke, L.A. fog, etc. pretty well.

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  11. Here, take this by Maradine · · Score: 5, Funny

    So, basically, what we're saying is, by the time we get to 1Tb/s, we're all going to have to be close enough that I might as well just hand you a floppy?

    And is that a run-on? Sheesh. Critics.

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    1. Re:Here, take this by Jedi+Alec · · Score: 2, Funny

      At 1Tb/s, you'd better start shipping me trains full of DVD-R's ;)

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    2. Re:Here, take this by chrestomanci · · Score: 1

      Instead of handing around floppies, why not use Infrared or viable light beams instead.

      • Laser diodes are cheap.
      • It is easy to line up viable light beams.
      • The available bandwidth is huge.
      • There are no radio spectrum licensing issues.
      • No one will try to ban it because 'light beams might give them cancer'.
      • The range is about the same.
  12. 10 Gigs a second, eh? by LordYUK · · Score: 3, Funny

    Imagine the possibilities... we could slashdot hundreds more sights hundreds times faster!

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  13. Did some similar research... by PhysicsScholar · · Score: 1, Troll

    I did some undergraduate research in this area when I was back at Trinity College.

    One of my favorite areas of study in this filed was the derivation of optimum receiver principles (including intersymbol interferences and equalization). You really can't appreciate a cellular phone and its chat/texting abilities until you understand just how hard it is to ensure lossless cellular communication between two carriers.

    The modulation and coding for fading wireless channels, as well as spread spectrum communication analysis is rather tedius in my opinion, but overall it didn't taint my feeling that wireless is where the future is going and that what I was studying had some actual real-world application to it.

    All too often academia is just going thru the motions without delving into the real trials/tribulations/concerns of modern-day corporate research.

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    1. Re:Did some similar research... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, this guy posts often about physics/technology apps. Some of his posts sound logical, but on closer examination, you can sometimes smell the bullshit, or the unnecessarily big ego.

      In this particular case, the "optimum receiver principles (including intersymbol interferences and equalization)" phrase is technically ok (I've studied this area too.)

      But the next sentence has a phrase that shows a lack of understanding about RF communications, "lossless cellular communication between two carriers". Specifically, cell phones don't communicate between two carrier frequencies. The cell phone communicates with the base station on one carrier frequency. And depending on the system, the base station may communicate with the cell phone on a different carrier frequency. Of course in a scheme like FDMA, there may be a different frequency pair for each mobile.

    2. Re:Did some similar research... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure, (he could just be trolling) but I assumed he meant that the "carriers" he was referring to were cellular carriers; Vodafone, AT&T, etc.

      In that case, the entire passage makes sense, although I would suspect that he still has no idea what he is talking about. (I haven't studied this area, but I have studied many others, and something just doesn't smell right...)

  14. range, penetration and cost? by bigpat · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "In the laboratory, a 10m range for the system has been confirmed, but NTT is expecting to try and extend the range to 100m."

    10 meters would limit its usefulness, but 100 meters would make this very useful. Hopefully, this has a useful range.

    Could someone answer the question about how easily this frequency would pass through common substances, like walls?

    Also, there was no mention of weather they would seek to license their technology to make this widely available or just make this a very expensive specialized niche product.

    1. Re:range, penetration and cost? by Pow · · Score: 2, Interesting

      At 120GHz? There's no way radiowaves will pass thru walls at freq this high?
      Well maybe very very thin walls :)

    2. Re:range, penetration and cost? by winse · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If they can hit a certain price point this would be extremely usefull for temporary (or even permanent) backbone solutions....forget digging up the road to lay fiber. This would be an exciting technology if mass produced at the right price.

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    3. Re:range, penetration and cost? by Comen · · Score: 0

      (or even permanent) ?

      Um what good is a internet connection that goes out when it rains hard? snows or heavy fog?
      especialy for backbone use? maybe for a temp connection or something.
      But I would hate to pay good money for a connection that only worked on the Sunny days I want to be outside.

    4. Re:range, penetration and cost? by Brandon30X · · Score: 1

      Well I dont know what the permativity of a wall is, but the permitivity of dry soil is 2.656E-11
      and conductivity of dry soil is 10^-5 Seimens per meter. That gives a complex permetivity of ec = (2.656E-11 - j(10^-5/120E9)) which is (2.213E-11 - j8.333E-17). ok, so the loss is the real part of (j*120E9*sqrt(1.256E-6*ec)) where ec is the complex permitivity. That gives a loss of .001191 Nepers/meter.
      In other words, the electric field is reduced by only 0.01035 db/meter. You would have to go almost more than 280 meters before the signal is cut is cut in half. thats not very opaque! Well, in dry soil at least. Increasing conductivity with water or metal has a much greater effect on the signal than dry walls or air do.
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  15. Line of Sight? by LittleBigScript · · Score: 1

    Doesn't such a high frequency restrict this to line-of-sight communications only?

    That is the frequency the aliens use. But I confuse them with aluminum foil!

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  16. WLAN by as400as2 · · Score: 0

    Finally! I have been waiting for this for a long time. I will provide bandwidth to the whole village! Muhahahah! They will all be mine! Mine!

  17. Not for the office by Pedrito · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This isn't office wireless. This is a very line-of-sight system that would be used, probably, between buildings, if they get it go that far, I would imagine.

    You'd never see anything like this in a home or office, as it couldn't penetrate a sheet of paper, let alone a wall of any type. I suppose it could penetrate if you put enough power into it, but then it would need enough power to melt through the wall before the communication could begin.

    1. Re:Not for the office by Zelet · · Score: 3, Funny

      That is okay... just hook up the microwave drill and you are on your way.

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  18. Yea! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Eventually it'll be faster to keep all your data on a SAN than to actually have a drive cabled to your box.

  19. Mad, mad props to the RF guys on this one by InterruptDescriptorT · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm no EE, but I studied enough analog electronics design to know that creating RF circuits at that kind of frequency is no easy feat.

    Open up an 802.11 card for instance--these work at about 1/60th of that frequency--and look at the traces for an idea. It's not just what components are connected together--it's the layout of the traces that define most of the circuit. Inductors are little squiggles, a resistor is the thinning of a trace, etc., all of which is highly dependent on frequency.

    In other words, these guys are pretty slick and you just have to bow to them.

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    1. Re:Mad, mad props to the RF guys on this one by mikelcito · · Score: 0

      That frequency cannot be achieved using electronic oscillators. To generate frequencies higher than a few GHz you use optical systems. A photodiode is used to beat two optical frequencies generated by lasers and thus obtain the intermodulation product that is needed. It is actually more complicated but that is the idea.

      These systems may be easily more than $50000. A laser alone is about $15000. You can imagine this is not for home use.

      I read the article mentioned in the original post and they talk about 2.5 Gbit/s and 10 Gbit/s which are standard speeds for telecommunication system trunking, I suppose this is the use it is intended for.

  20. Doesn't anyone read the article before posting?!? by rindeee · · Score: 2, Informative

    It is OPTICAL not RF. For Pete's sake, just use a friggin laser over open air. It's cheap, higher bandwidth and lets you do cool tricks using a couple of well used chalk board erasers. One use that leaps right to the front of MY mind is one of those nifty wireless video gadgets for your living room. "For only $750,000.00 you can beam S-Video quality signals from your DVD player to your big screen (up to 20 feet) WITHOUT WIRES!!!"

  21. Distance by I_am_Rambi · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In the laboratory, a 10m range for the system has been confirmed, but NTT is expecting to try and extend the range to 100m.

    Has anyone looked at the prototype they have in the picture? The transmitter and receiver are on the same table. Sure, I can understand 10gbps per sec over a few feet. They don't even know how this new technology will stand up in normal conditions. There is no way currently this will be used in mainstream. I don't know of anyone that is willing to sit within 10m of the transmitter to receive there wireless connection. I know this will be improved, but the distance will have to grow by leaps and bounds.

    Yea, trasmitting 10gbps is nice, but currently what use is it if you can't go within a few feet of the transmitter?

    1. Re:Distance by NegativeK · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yea, trasmitting 10gbps is nice, but currently what use is it if you can't go within a few feet of the transmitter?

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    2. Re:Distance by PseudoThink · · Score: 1

      Maybe this could be used to remove the wires from a home theater setup? To communicate between devices within a computer? A wireless connection between portable devices and a computer? All this stuff has been mentioned before on ./ ...

    3. Re:Distance by bravehamster · · Score: 4, Funny
      Sure, I can understand 10gbps per sec


      Wow, how'd they get the transmission rate to accelerate like that? ;)

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  22. why just now? by Hadlock · · Score: 0

    if 120GHz band has been avalible to the public, why did we ever bother mucking about in the 2.4GHz range, when we could have had 100megabit wireless (easily) @ the 120GHz range? not to mention (i'm guessing) a hella lot more range, and let's go ahead and put 500mw-900mw (i think the legal limit is 1w?) sending capability.... this just makes 801.11b look like child's play.... or am i missing somthing here?

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    1. Re:why just now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes.

      All of it.

      ;)

    2. Re:why just now? by BeBoxer · · Score: 5, Informative

      not to mention (i'm guessing) a hella lot more range,

      You guessed wrong. The range goes down as the frequency goes up. The higher the frequency, the more the radiation behaves like light, which is really just terahertz radio. As you get higher and higher frequencies, walls and such become more and more opaque to the signals. Until eventually they won't travel thru the walls at all, just like light.

      If you want long range, you need lower frequencies. If you want to send a signal across the ocean, you need KHz radio waves (short wave radio). If you want to send a signal around the state you need AM radio at ~1MHz. If you want to send your signal around a city you can use FM at ~100MHz. By the time you get up to 2.4GHz you can only send your signal across a few rooms. Yes, I know I'm simplifying the differences in transmission power. But a short wave ham can reach across the world with less power than an AM station uses to cover a state, and the AM station uses less power still than the FM station which only covers a city or so.

      Now, point to point is a whole different story. If you have direct line of sight you can send extremely high frequencies across significant distances. But the curvature of the Earth prevents you from sending stuff too far. Not to mention buildings and other obstructions.

    3. Re:why just now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      exactly, for some reason fire depts love low frequency radios. it makes no sense, they can hear each other across the county, but not across the building.

      "because its always been done that way"

      this was a very real problem in both WTC events. the first time they knew they needed to fix it, but the fire depts didnt want to.

      they are operating down in the 40's i believe, police operate in the 150's generally.

  23. Think of it as a laser by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    It wont penetrate anything solid. It will do slightly better in fog than lasers, but not a hell of a lot ... in short, not terribly usefull.

  24. Obligatory Ronja link by BillX · · Score: 2, Informative

    "NTT also used optical communications technology to make the 120GHz system possible. ...After modulation, the signal is picked up by a special photodiode capable of responding with the high-speed signal. ...In order to extend the range of the transmission, a 20cm-diameter lens was used to focus the beam."

    Also known as Fast Ronja. Cool as hell though.

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  25. Speed is good, but by essiescreet · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't understand why people don't focus more on security and making the networks non-hackable (or at least reducing the chance) instead of speed. It's great that the thing will go so fast, but if no IT departments will use it because of security issues, it will sell about as good as freezers in the Antarctic.

    We develop wireless applications, and we'd sell probably twice as many if the hardware was secure, but sales would not go up at all if the speed of the networks was faster.

    1. Re:Speed is good, but by bizitch · · Score: 1

      Um - you can go ahead and try to sniff that microwave traffic. How do you like your brain? Medium or Well-Done....

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    2. Re:Speed is good, but by heby · · Score: 2, Informative

      these are two completely different issues - security is normally implemented on top of a high speed link (e.g. encryption) or on a level below (protecting cables physically from access etc.). the beauty of a layered system is that the different layers can be developed separately without interfering with other layers.

    3. Re:Speed is good, but by essiescreet · · Score: 1

      What I am saying is more a comment on the stories you see on slashdot. I guess that the nerds are much like rednecks in that sense:

      "Wooohooo, Lookit how faist it goes!"

      While brushing over the things like how a bank would never put in some of the wireless stuff today because you can sit in your car in the parking lot and recieve some of the network traffic (Though not microwave).

    4. Re:Speed is good, but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Efficient security cannot be achieved as a "layer", eg how about using key material for spread spectrum?

  26. UWB - A lesser known wireless method by Dr.Luke · · Score: 1

    Ultra Wide Band technology that uses broad spectrum pulses rather than the traditional carrier frequency approach can potentially be even faster. See here

    1. Re:UWB - A lesser known wireless method by Brandon30X · · Score: 1

      17 GHz bandwidth is not "wide enough" ?

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  27. Streaming "open source" video by dubiousmike · · Score: 2

    Now I can use my IPAQ as a wireless live video switcher.

  28. send me that file.... by 3ryon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There are many potential uses for such a high-speed wireless technology, such as for 10Gbps wireless Ethernet links or for radio links between different buildings where a high volume of data has to be sent to and fro.

    Yeah, like 1.5 terabytes a day!

  29. Wasn't this already posted today? by Atom+Tan · · Score: 1

    Although for some reason this article forgot to mention the
    drilling through glass part.

  30. they should be making it longer range by dcstimm · · Score: 1

    they should be making it longer range, I cant wait until I can go 2 miles from my house and connect to my home network.

  31. Are you always this stupid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dunno about you, but for me 120 GHz falls slightly outside the visible spectrum ... it is microwave-RF.

  32. Re:Doesn't anyone read the article before posting? by camelrider · · Score: 1

    Don't you read the article?++

    The optical signal is modulated, then transmitted on 150Ghz-band RF signal.

  33. What's Pikachu have to do with this? by stratjakt · · Score: 4, Funny

    There he is in the photo, between the two transmitter thingies.

    Does his thunderbolt attack provide the jiggawatts of power needed?

    Can we hit 100Gbps if he evolves into Raichu?

    Or, most importantly, will this technology help me catch 'em all?

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  34. It's Gbit/s, not Gbps -- And it's a big problem! by SysKoll · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Journalists are fond of using dumbed-down abreviations such as Gbps or other acronyms. But I encourage technical writers to use the correct term, which is Gbit/s. Just as Mbit/s, Kbit/s.

    There is something weird with computer science. People in this discipline badly need a common linguo because the field is evolving so fast. And yet, most CS practitionners couldn't be bothered to use the generally accepted vocabulary or abbreviations to describe their domain's problems. They invent their own, or incorrectly reuse existing jargon swiped from other disciplines.

    Even worse, each branch of CS reuses general vague terms and overloads them with a different meaning. What's a "server"? What's a "page"? Depends who's talking.

    As a result, CS is full of islands of disconnected knowledge and of specialists that cannot communicate with each other. Ever tried to have an OO programmer and a database admin talk to each other?

    Mathematicians don't speak each other's linguo. But they carefully avoid using overlapping terms to define different things. That's what we should aim to do.

    CS will keep being a cottage industry and a craftman discipline akin to voodoo, with cancelled project when wizardry fails, as long as all CS won't agree to speak a common language. Or at least a language where precision removes the overlapping meaning.

    Granted, a precise vocabulary will not cure all the ills of CS. It not a sufficient condition for clear communication. But it's one of the necessary conditions.

    So do your part. Write Gbit/s, not GBPS or other atrocities.

    -- SysKoll
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  35. Re:Doesn't anyone read the article before posting? by johnny0101 · · Score: 1

    It is OPTICAL not RF.
    There is no difference between 'optical' and 'rf'
    An electromagnetic wave is an electromagnetic wave.
    There are just different frequencies

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  36. Re:it will probably be slashdotted, not a major si by mirko · · Score: 4, Funny

    This would actually be quite funny if this site wer slashdotted as we are currentlydiscussing about its breakthrough in network technologies :-)

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  37. Propagation Loss? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I shudder to think what the propagation loss would be at this high a frequency - so basically you can use it to communicate (ie Transmit data) to another person/device a few feet away - why not just use a cable??

    1. Re:Propagation Loss? by Echnin · · Score: 1

      Well, the article mentions transmitting information between buildings. Someone might need to transmit data between the 54th floor of one building, to the 49th floor of an adjacent building. Having a cable pulled there wouldn't be that great, but they could just stick these things in the windows.

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  38. Frequency reliability by FrostedWheat · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I remember reading up on satellite signals some time ago, and how it said as the signals are such a high frequency (11-12Ghz) that they begin to show some of the properties of light. Most importantly that they cannot pass through as many objects. (Or something similar to that, I don't know much about the physics).

    My question is, how much would a heavy rain/hail/snow shower affect a long range link at these high frequencies?

    1. Re:Frequency reliability by heby · · Score: 1

      this happens at much lower frequencies already - just look at the spec sheet of your microwave oven: it operates at 2500MHz (or 2.5GHz). this frequency is absorbed by water molecules which is why your food heats up when you put it into the microwave oven. a radio link in the neighbourhood of this frequency might work in a very dry environment but fog or rain would render it completely useless. the trick is finding a frequency that is not in resonance with any of the vibrational/rotational modes of any of the gases that make up the atmosphere.

  39. again, new tech but when will it be available? by chamenos · · Score: 4, Insightful

    i've already mentioned this before and i don't wish to sound like a trolling wet-blanket, but when is this going to be widely available and adopted? slashdot is chockful of articles of new and emerging technologies that promise ever-increasing leaps and bounds in all these high-tech gadgets that all of us love (which is why we're here on slashdot!). most of these gadgets or other new developments in science and technology only see the light of exhibition or convetion halls and after that, either lousy manging, marketing or just a bad business model kills the product in its infant stages.

    the article mentioned that this new wireless system uses a yet un-used 120GHz frequency. i personally feel that this can -both- be a disadvantage and advantage to its entry into the mainstream market. reason being, due to the 120GHz frequency being unused, widespread adoption might be made easier without any regulations but then again, that same lack of regulations would make it hard to regulate and control, and it might be open to abuses by users with malicious intent. worst still, all our beloved governments or telecommunication companies (for some countries, the above two are one and the same for all intents and purposes) will seize the opportunity to reap a handsome profit and end up killing the potential this product might have had in the market.

    another factor, and perhaps the -most- important factor to consider is cost. the system may be cheap to built and maybe it didn't cost that much to develop, but we all know capitalism isn't about selling products at a price that indicates its real worth, capabalities, and cost of manufacture or R&D. rather, market demand or greedy corporate figures play an important part, along with sleazy marketing methods that target the ill-informed but rich people, who buy into meaningless numbers generated by the afore-mentioned marketing folks. the success or failure depends on how well the balance, between reaping the most profits and at the same time allowing growth, expansion and demand of the product to propagate is upheld by those corporate capitalist (and usually greedy) folks.

    lastly, but not as importantly as the above factor, is whether the four times increase in speed is really needed, or is it on par with a 2.0GHz pentium 4, in that both only have impressive numbers to show off, which represent little of any real-world increase or -need- for performance for most mainstream users. but then again, i've just made a moot point haven't i? the sad reality is that the actual technology or the need for it isn't what sells. its how well its marketed (read: exaggerated and made pretty with big numbers) that really counts, ain't it?

    if anyone feels like modding me down, go right ahead. i just had to get that off my mind. i just can't help being a little more and more pessimistic each time a promise of some new-fangled gadget makes headlines on slashdot, only to make headlines a year or two later when it flops over on its belly.

    1. Re:again, new tech but when will it be available? by wheatking · · Score: 1
      ... the future, if obvious, would have ocurred today. like anything else, the multiple trajectories of the right technology and large enough market must intersect at the right time to yield something useful/useable. meanwhile, many clueful technologies will die because they lacked one or the above. of hundred highlighted [/.] future tech.gadgets, maybe 1 will make it (commercially). why isn't that good enough?

      now the 120GHz gizmo wont transmit very far (unless you have wireless laser-like (maser!) beams that go pt-pt) but that could result in low/no interference for others and a 10GigEthernet all to myself and my gadgets within 10 feet.

      on a related note, TeraHz (light) carriers are being used to transmit 10Gbps x many wavelengths (colors) today (see Lightpointe, Zyoptics,...) but are finding limited use

      -dharmic whore

  40. Re:It's Gbit/s, not Gbps -- And it's a big problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    "But they carefully avoid using overlapping terms to define different things. "

    It should be kbit/s not Kbit/s. Kilo is abbreviated 'k' to avoid confusion with 'K' for Kelvin.

    I encourage you to use the correct term.

    Cheers mate.

  41. So why is IRDA so slow? by BeBoxer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's what I want to know. IR is way up in the THz range. You outta be able to modulate a least a Gbps onto it easily. Sure, it wouldn't go very far but so what. Is it just the difficulty in making emitters and detecters which are fast enough? That can't really be that hard. A gige optical SX GBIC module can be had for under $100. Hm. That makes me want to tear a couple apart and see if I can get a link running across a few feet of free space.

    1. Re:So why is IRDA so slow? by CyberKnet · · Score: 4, Informative

      There shouldn't be a problem making high speed transmitters or receivers fast enough for speeds higher than the current rate of transmission between IRDA devices.

      The problem is twofold.

      On one side, there is large demand for some things to remain backards compatible with legacy devices like VCRs and Stereos, which is much easier to do when your standard rate of transmission is lower.

      However, with that said, I believe the real "problem" with IRDA lies in on the error detection and correction side of things. The same is true of TCP/IP. It could be significantly faster (ala UDP) if we did not want guarenteed delivery.

      IRDA is significantly slower than things like microwave PTP because they leave room in the modulation timing for not quite perfectly aligned transmissions. Whilst motor skills in the human hand allow for the precision neccessary to enact a successful transmission, more often than not there will be either vertical or latteral movement in the outer extremities of the device (usually the end with the transmitting diode on it) which would cause transmissions with faster modulation to fail... as it is, the millisecond sync loss is (usually) able to be recovered from my simply resending the data sent since the last acknowledgement packet.

      In short, yes, you could do it, but you would have to hold those things *REALLY* steady, maybe to the point of having to set them on a solid surface whenever you wanted them to communicate... since the manufacturers are catering to the general unwashed masses, they create the device to be idiot proof ala very slow transmission speeds and large error windows.

      Hope this helps.

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    2. Re:So why is IRDA so slow? by bn557 · · Score: 1

      the actual problem with IR for an application like this is the blackbody radiation at 300K(room temperature) is smack dab in the IR range. This is why Night Vision Goggles work. They see the IR

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  42. too slow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What we need is about 19 Mbps on 3G network, with power consumption low enough for cel phone type applications. Too bad no one is doing that.

  43. Can the guys in Africa use it? by Digital+Soldier · · Score: 3, Informative

    Remember earlier in the week when /.ers were hammering the story about the guys in Africa who were using HF to send email using packet radio? Every frequency range has its up and down sides. Heck, I think the Navy uses (used?) ULF (Ultra Low Frequency) to communicate with submarines. Only problem is that at those frequencies, a one bandwidth length antenna is a few miles long....

    1. Re:Can the guys in Africa use it? by bagsc1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      But on the plus side, a ULF transmitter in the Great Lakes can talk to a ship in New Zealand

    2. Re:Can the guys in Africa use it? by Digital+Soldier · · Score: 1

      Thanks. I forgot to mention that!

    3. Re:Can the guys in Africa use it? by mesocyclone · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually a dipole (half wavelength) antenna at 10 kHz (one of the frequencies they use) is 3000 kilometers!

      But there is no rule that says antennas have to be any large fraction of a wavelength. A magnetic or electical antenna can be any size and have the same capture area as a dipole. This is because antennae do not have to be resonant to work - and a non-resonant antenna can be just as efficient as a resonant one, if you have a high efficiency circuit to tune out the reactance which results from the lack of resonance. This is one of the things an "antenna tuner" - familiar to ham radio operators does (the other is to transform the real portion of the impedance to a standard 50 ohms). However, it is hard to make efficient very tiny antennas. This is why these ELF systems have to use such high power.

      HOWEVER, on a submarine, the resonant wavelength of a trailing wire antenna is *much* lower, because the speed of propagation in the waveguide formed by the antenna, insulation and salt water is much lower than the speed of light. Thus these antennas need only be a few hundred or thousand meters long to be reasonably efficient.

      As an aside, my father invented this antenna in his PhD thesis about 50 years ago.

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    4. Re:Can the guys in Africa use it? by mla_anderson · · Score: 1

      3*10^8/10^4 != 3*10^6

      It would be 30,000m or 30km.

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    5. Re:Can the guys in Africa use it? by mesocyclone · · Score: 2

      oops!

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    6. Re:Can the guys in Africa use it? by dgmartin98 · · Score: 1

      Almost....

      A half-wavelength would be half of that... 15 km.

      Dave

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  44. Re:It's Gbit/s, not Gbps -- And it's a big problem by 4of12 · · Score: 2

    I always like the people who were kind enough to be precise, where

    B (byte, octet) = 8 * b (bit)
    so that Gbps and GBps are different.

    And while we're on the subject, of course, where

    GB = about 7 % more than 10**9
    where it's even more helpful to put a "2" subscript on the G to indicate 2**30 instead of 10**9.

    It's usually too much to hope for from most news sources. Usually only academic papers care enough to be precise with their nomenclature.

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  45. Re:It's Gbit/s, not Gbps -- And it's a big problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This issue has already been solved:
    kb/s = kilobit per second
    kB/s = kiloByte per second
    Mb/s
    MB/s
    Gb/s
    GB/s

    See a trend that is easy to understand?

  46. Refracting radio waves through a lens? by patbob · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It sounds like they are optically processing the signal and then converting it to electrical using a special photodiode. Later through, they talk about needing a lens to focus the signal. I'm aware that some radio frequencies can be refracted by matter, but if, as others has said, this frequency range would be stopped by most matter, then what could they be making the lens out of? Or are they pulling a switcheroo and using somethig other than the 120GHz band to demo the technology?

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    1. Re:Refracting radio waves through a lens? by mindstrm · · Score: 1

      What is your definition of lens? Visible light is nothing special... it's just the light we can see. Different materials are transaprent to diferent wavelengths, just as glass is transparent to visible light. By the same token, a lens can be made to focus just about any wavelength.

      120Ghz is a lot more like visible light than your usual radio..

      120Ghz is way up there... just about at the high end of what is generally considered the radio spectrum (then you get into infrared and such).

  47. latency and speed issues. by papasui · · Score: 3

    I love wireless technology, it's great. But what I want to see is wireless that I can use while riding with my wife on the freeway at 80mph, and with latency thats good enough to game on. Obviously the bandwidth is there for live video streaming, but the latency with my 802.11b network + encryption is still a bit too high.

  48. No, I saw the freq. by WittyName · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And applied some common physics. This is just a lab stunt.

    Back to my original point, I see no way for this to be useful.. This will never leave the lab until you get it down to a few chips!

    The 17GHz bandwidth of the signal is quite impressive, though.

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  49. radio waves - a little OT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is it correct to assume that the more radio waves we use (use up?) the more waves are bouncing around the solar system... the better the chance to contact ET life? i say: cool!

  50. Big deal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Please reserve the word "wireless" for radial covererage. I was hoping this was the newest 802.11* advance, instead it's just plain vanilla point-to-point(line of sight) data transfer.

    This is completely boring, and useless to us home users. I can get 10Gbps with a $40 helium-neon laser.

  51. For goodness sakes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Read the article. Yeah, it's not commercially viable. Yeah, it can't be used for much in the way of practical applications. And yeah, the picture of two boxes siting on a table doesn't really impress anybody.

    But! Use your imagination here! Think of the posibilities - we're talking about a fast data transfer rate over short distances. Yeah 10m for now and with perhaps 100m in the future (building to building?) and what then? 1000m. Progress takes time.

    And yes lasers can be used with high bandwidth (although you'll be lucky to make a photodiode with that good a bandwidth (~8.6GHz) - the only way I know of doing this is to use a broad resonant photodiode and this needs RF modulation and demodulation to make a useful signal - might be interesting to find out more about the "special" photodetector they developed) but higher frequency should be less susceptable to atmospheric noise and detection noise. Pro's and con's - might not be useful now but give it a couple of years and then we'll see.

    1. Re:For goodness sakes! by Digital+Soldier · · Score: 1

      So for practical purposes, we might reach a distance of ~25 miles (approximate LOS max under optimal conditions)?

  52. OT: Re: THIS JUST IN! by CyberKnet · · Score: 1

    You have got to get some video footage of that and post it.

    Simply outrageous.

    Email me if you ever do.

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    1. Re:OT: Re: THIS JUST IN! by Hadlock · · Score: 1

      if i ever go through that area again, i'll be sure to. it's truly bizzare. so far the EPA hasn't tried to shut them down...yet.

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  53. something old in here by Raiford · · Score: 3
    ... the method of modulation employed is amplitude shift keying.

    The article being low on content no explanation for ASK other than its simplicity. Isn't this method very susceptible to interference and noise ? Could this performance be achieved with MSK or QPSK ?

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    1. Re:something old in here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's the short distance factor that allows for ASK. Yes it is simple as you point out but very easy to detect.

  54. heh by AugstWest · · Score: 2

    the system uses the as-yet-unused 120GHz frequency band. The actual bandwidth the system uses is 17GHz, and the method of modulation employed is amplitude shift keying.

    Its land is mostly mountainous, and its chief export is beans.

  55. Is 120 GHz even regulated? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As far as I know, 120 GHz is the highest frequency regulated in the U.K.

    Does that mean that an unlicensed 200 GHz transmitter would be legal?

  56. Film @ 11 by Cinematique · · Score: 1

    October 18th, 2002
    Silicon Valley, CA (AP)

    This morning, Acme Semiconductor (NASDAQ: ACME) announced the unveiling of their new 15Ghz processors, dubbed JackHammer. Company officials displayed a hands-off demo of Quake 3, which reported a sustained frame rate of over 234,545 frames per second, an astonishing feat. A top-of-the-line 2.6Ghz Intel Pentium 4 produces numbers in the mid hundreds, depending on the established screen resolution.

    Company officials told reporters that the Internet is faster on computers based upon the JackHammer. Photoshop filters take dramatically less time to render as well, they added.

    Acme says it plans on shipping the processor mid to late 2005.

    Stock Ticker - All prices delayed 20 minutes

    Acme Semiconductor (ACME) || 14 1/4 || +5 7/8


  57. Gosh by jeti · · Score: 2

    At that speed, I could use up my server bandwidth in 8 seconds.

  58. How's the view from that Ivory tower? by djrogers · · Score: 2

    Sheesh, elitist much? Your misguided opinion on this subject have been proven wrong more times than I care to demonstrate, but let me try anyway... I remember 'back in the day' being able to buy NICs that encrypted ethernet traffic. Never actually saw one, amongst the thousands of NICs I installed, purchased, or ran across, but they were there.

    Nobody refused to buy an HP/UX box, or a Sun E2k because their NICs were'nt 'secure', and nobody ripped out all of their 10Mb Ethernet infrasructure for the cause of security either.

    What caused organizations to pull out all of their old NICs though? Speed. It will always be speed. What kind of world do you live in where you think that 2x as many wireless nodes would be sold if they were 'more secure'? I sell them for a living, and nobody I work with is worried about security. I'd love it if they were so I could sell our IPSEC solution to them as well, but...

    Sometimes I'm amazed at how out of touch with the real world us geek types can get...

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    1. Re:How's the view from that Ivory tower? by essiescreet · · Score: 1

      Hm, well, I think you're missing an important point. With an old NIC, you had to plug into the network with a machine to get access, with a new (insecure) wireless card, you can be across the street from the building and see network traffic.

      This is a big difference that you choose to ignore. Don't tell me that I'm in an ivory tower, then proceed to give a full-of-shit reply that completely ignores the practical details.

  59. Lame by Grape+Shasta · · Score: 2

    "NTT... has developed a wireless communications that..."

    Society has also developed a grammaticals that communicate helps. Try it, you should.

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  60. utilize more spectrum by rhombic · · Score: 1

    Well, one improvement would be to utilize more of the available spectrum. Like the 400nm-550nm band containing new colors called "blue" and "green" ;>. Congrats on being able to see into the near-IR, tho. Can you see through clothes like the old sony camcorders could? Schweet.

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    1. Re:utilize more spectrum by DjMd · · Score: 1

      So it isn't true.

      On the internet people do know when you are a dog!
      Rarf! ^H^H^H^H^H Damn!

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    2. Re:utilize more spectrum by dgmartin98 · · Score: 1

      Hilarious !!

      both the response and the parent post!

      Too bad I commented earlier in this article, or I would have modded you both up!

      Dave

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  61. Re:Doesn't anyone read the article before posting? by Muad'Dave · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yes, we do. Do you? It uses optical means to generate the 120 GHz RF inside each unit, NOT BETWEEN THE BOXES.

    Obligatory nit: Optical is RF. Just really high in frequency (THz).

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  62. +3 Funny by Glonoinha · · Score: 1

    Ok I just sneezed ice tea onto my keyboard. God I wish I had some mod points.

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  63. FCC Can't Touch Me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    @ 12000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0GHz.

  64. 1.5 Gigs per second? Average vs max? by phorm · · Score: 2

    non-compressed HDTV-quality (1.5Gbps)

    Is this right? Did I see Gigabit per second? I assume that it's actually 1.5Mbps?

    Regardless, am I the only one who gets scared when a company says "max" or "up to." How about a average/nominal rating, so that we can see what most users get on a normal day, as opposed to every-second-sunday-when-the-moon-is-full. On a lot of devices, max rating is crap, as it rarely indicates the transfer speed achieved in most cases.

    1. Re:1.5 Gigs per second? Average vs max? by TheSync · · Score: 2

      Yes, uncompressed HD (HDSDI) is 1.485 Gbps. It is either progressive scan 60 fps, 1280x720 or interlaced 30 fps, 1920x1080, both at 20 bits per sample.

      What you receive on HD television sets is this signal compressed using MPEG-2 down to 19.34 Mbps. And yes, in scenes with lots of independently moving things, there are visible artifacts.

      Reed-Solomon and Trellis coding are added to provide some forward error correction. This increases the transmission bandwidth to 32.38 Mbps.

      In the US, the 32.38 Mbps signal is transmitted using 8VSB (vestigial sideband) modulation, 3 bits per symbol at a rate of 10.76 Msps, Nyquist filtered to take up 5.38 MHz, which fits into a 6 MHz television channel.

  65. Clarification on the 1.5Gbps by phorm · · Score: 1

    Just in note to the previous, 1.5Gigs per second of data seems a lot for a TV-type signal. Can we actually see anything resembling this coming in to our TV.

    1. Re:Clarification on the 1.5Gbps by AGTiny · · Score: 1

      Uncompressed HDTV is about 1.5 Gbps, it's compressed with MPEG-2 to 19.4 Mbps which is what your digital TV receiver picks up. Although for a lot of obvious reasons most places don't bother with the uncompressed data at all and use the 19.4 MPEG2 data for all editing, storage, etc.

  66. 120GHz unused? by jnik · · Score: 3, Informative

    I couldn't find anything on what exactly is the centre frequency for this, but around 120GHz is certainly allocated and in use--119.98-120.02 to ham use and 101-120 GHz to radio astronomy (search for intentional extraterrestrial emission). Perhaps they mean "previously unused for wireless computer communication"?

  67. Moderators on crack yet again.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Please, please, please, slam this karma-whore. Do you people not recognize mumbo-jumbo bullshit when you see a phrase like "optimum receiver principles (including intersymbol interferences and equalization)". A mix of platitudes and false technical statements == oodles of karma, apparently.


    Posting anonymously because last time I pointed this guy out, *I* got modded down.

  68. AOL's new slogan: "You've got cancer!" by Diesel+Dave · · Score: 2, Funny

    120GHz? Not anywhere near me, thank you. 2 and 5 GHz worry me enough as it is.

  69. ook ook ook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    They claim to use the simplest modulation scheme, that not so true: On-Off keying is the simplest (OOK modulation) it is actualy so simple that it can be regarded as either FM or AM. It is both.
    Now, if they do provide 10Gbps using 17GHz, the they are getting the juice out of their bandwidth for this rather crude modulation scheme (1.7 ratio, they could get to 1.2 with stg more clever).

  70. Re:Doesn't anyone read the article before posting? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    other nit: Optical is by definition not RF. They are both EMR, but the 'R' band of the spectrum is sub-Optical. That's the point of the terms. They are a contrastive pair.

  71. Imagine... by cachorro · · Score: 1
    Not sure what this would be usefull for..

    How cool would it be to use this to replace IDE/SCSI cabling?

  72. It's true by slick3 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Many birds can "feel" radar pulses, and their typical response is to fold their wings and fall. One effect of this is the fact that, if there are birds in the vicinity of an airport, pilots are encouraged to turn on their aircraft's radar to avoid birdstrikes on takeoff.

  73. Isn't Less More? by mmol_6453 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Don't you generally want to send more data over less bandwidth?

    Failing the "more data" point, I'd like to see a lot less bandwidth used, just to accomodate the artificial "crowding" of the spectrum. At this point, 10Gbps isn't very useful yet.

    I mean, look, people! You're talking about 1.7 GHz/bit. To put that in comparison, think of extreme environments. If a deep-space probe developer only had a 17Hz signal, would you want to get only 1 bit per second, instead of the theoretically possible 8 bits per second? (IIRC, the theoretical limit for data transfer on a specific RF wavelength is freq/2. Any more, and you can't tell signal from noise without something as redundant as a UPS address stamp.)

    I know this sounds like a "640k is all you'll need"-type-argument, but why not use a smaller bandwidth, and allow for multiple independant channels? If you need additional data transfer, you could use channel bonding.

    This'll especially help wireless providers, who have to relay their signal from tower to tower without hitting the tower-after-the-next with a poorer signal. (Signals will travel beyond the horizon, but not very reliably.) Currently, they use polarization of their signal.

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    1. Re:Isn't Less More? by afidel · · Score: 2

      No that's 1.7Hz/bit 17Ghz/10Gbps which is not too bad considering the high frequencies and current high frequency tech. Also you can pack a lot more then 2 bits of info per wavelength, look at the P4 bus it's quad pumped aka 4 bits per wave.

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    2. Re:Isn't Less More? by rcw-home · · Score: 2
      IIRC, the theoretical limit for data transfer on a specific RF wavelength is freq/2.

      False. It's actually dependant on bandwidth and signal-to-noise ratio. See Shannon's Law.

  74. Re:It's Gbit/s, not Gbps -- And it's a big problem by zazas_mmmm · · Score: 1

    People in this discipline badly need a common linguo

    Last I checked "linguo" is only a word in Esperanto. You're suggesting this be the Lingua Franca?

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  75. OT:Abusing the moderation system... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, this guy has been using a "system" for some time now. This is a new account but he follows a similar modus operandi while juggling various accounts (cf. PhysicsGenius and Professor%20Collins, to name a few). Once he gets santioned for the troll he is, he starts a new account to build up some karma. Positive karma accounts lie in wait so he can moderate up other troll accounts. This is the source of Insightful and Interesting mods. Of course, the Funny mods can be anyone; you have to admit some of the technobabble is pretty hilarious.

    If you really want to fight this behavior, do your metamoderation with an eye for the "trolls modding trolls" abuse.

    1. Re:OT:Abusing the moderation system... by leviramsey · · Score: 1
      Actually, this guy has been using a "system" for some time now. This is a new account but he follows a similar modus operandi while juggling various accounts (cf. PhysicsGenius and Professor%20Collins, to name a few). Once he gets santioned for the troll he is, he starts a new account to build up some karma. Positive karma accounts lie in wait so he can moderate up other troll accounts. This is the source of Insightful and Interesting mods. Of course, the Funny mods can be anyone; you have to admit some of the technobabble is pretty hilarious.
      If you really want to fight this behavior, do your metamoderation with an eye for the "trolls modding trolls" abuse.

      Here's a project for you, Mr. AC: s/troll/jew/

      Does that change your view of the bigoted words you write?

  76. Re:It's Gbit/s, not Gbps -- And it's a big problem by mindstrm · · Score: 1

    When dealing with data transmission, we speak in terms of bits per second, and G=1,000,000,000

    Terms lik GBps and whatnot are 'made up' terms used by the computer world to try to sound smart.
    As soon as someone talks about anyhting other than bits per second, with standard metric prefixes (with standard metric meanings), it becomes ambiguous.

    B meaning byte and b meaning bit are a made up convention that some people adhere to, but not an engineering standard, I don't believe.

    And since when is it NOT Gbps? bps has been a standard data communications term for a LONG time.

  77. Did you read it? by mindstrm · · Score: 1

    120Ghz is not optical.

    This thing uses lasers internally go generate the 120Ghz wave.

  78. He never said "electromagnetic wave" .. he said RF by mindstrm · · Score: 1

    Optical & RF specify two regions of the EM spectrum.

    When someone says RF that means it's between 3khz and 300Ghz.

    We do not consider gamma rays to be RF. Nor do we consider visible light to be RF. Nor do we consider the FM radio in your car to be an 'optical receiver'

  79. Hope their internet connection is that fast by SlimFastForYou · · Score: 1

    Will they be able to resist the slashdotting???

    Nah! ;)

  80. effect on human tissue by MenAtWork · · Score: 1

    any idea what will be the effect of radio waves at 120GHz on human tissue and for that matters on other materials. From the concern with 2.4 GHz communication which seems pretty close to what microwave uses to heat water molecules, I would think there is no problem to human tissue at 120GHz but how does one know ?? any emphirical formulae relating frequency to material it can heat ??

  81. Re:It's Gbit/s, not Gbps -- And it's a big problem by Sinical · · Score: 1

    Do we write mi/h? No. It's 50Mph or 100kph, or whathaveyou.

    So in the real world, it's ?bps, with whatever prefix. 115.2kbps, 10Mbps, 10Gbps. Deal.

  82. A HIGHER FREQUENCY CARRIER WAVE????!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Damn! Didn't see that one coming!

  83. FUCK YOU, ERIK KROUT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go to hell, Erik Krout.

  84. Finally! by tigress · · Score: 1

    The paperless office will finally become a reality. Not because of more efficient methods of storing scribbles and notes, but because of the hazards it presents to the propagation of wireless transmissions.

    Bleh.

  85. Re:Doesn't anyone read the article before posting? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did I miss the part where RF stopped being

    "Radio Frequency"

    ??? Optical frequencies are orders of magnitude away from being Radio frequencies.

    There are many differences between Optical frequencies and Radio frequencies.

    * Optical frequencies cause more shadows. (Radio shadows do exist, but only on infrequent occasions.)

    * Optical frequency waves are more directional. Radio frequencies diffract more easily. ... etc.

  86. Last Post! by alpg · · Score: 1

    To understand this important story, you have to understand how the telephone
    company works. Your telephone is connected to a local computer, which is in
    turn connected to a regional computer, which is in turn connected to a
    loudspeaker the size of a garbage truck on the lawn of Edna A. Bargewater of
    Lawrence, Kan.

    Whenever you talk on the phone, your local computer listens in. If it
    suspects you're going to discuss an intimate topic, it notifies the computer
    above it, which listens in and decides whether to alert the one above it,
    until finally, if you really humiliate yourself, maybe break down in tears
    and tell your closest friend about a sordid incident from your past
    involving a seedy motel, a neighbor's spouse, an entire religious order, a
    garden hose and six quarts of tapioca pudding, the top computer feeds your
    conversation into Edna's loudspeaker, and she and her friends come out on
    the porch to listen and drink gin and laugh themselves silly.
    -- Dave Barry, "Won't It Be Just Great Owning Our Own Phones?"

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