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Lucky Green vs. Palladium

CodeTrap writes "Wired has an interesting story "Can a Hacker Outfox Microsoft" on a fellow named Lucky Green that is attempting to force the issue surrounding MS's Palladium Gambit using a very creative method involving patents. If his patents are granted, MS will be unable to use Palladium to enforce software licensing. If MS challenges his patent, then we all know thier true intentions. Very clever indeed."

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  1. Follow the money... by Bonker · · Score: 3, Funny

    Why would Microsoft every want to challenge the patents when they have enough money to buy this guy's soul outright?

    If a potential patent challenge does ever get to court, who do you think is going to win? MS's $40bln dollar lawyers who have honed their skills playing delay games vs. the DOJ's anti trust suit or this guy and whatever pro-bono legal defense he can drum up?

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    1. Re:Follow the money... by Tenebrious1 · · Score: 5, Funny

      He should exclusively license it to Larry Ellison...

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    2. Re:Follow the money... by mluton · · Score: 4, Funny

      This assumes that MS cares about what is legal and what isn't. Most likely they'll just ignore this guy and do whatever the hell they want to do anyway.

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  2. Money talks by Qrlx · · Score: 4, Funny

    Doesn't the fact that the guy's name is Lucky Green sort of tip you off that he's playing Patent Lottery?

    Microsoft will make him An Offer He Can't Refuse, and they will buy his patent (if they even need to.)

    1. Re:Money talks by nebenfun · · Score: 5, Funny

      he's going to need a name like
      "Lucky 4-leaf Clover Horseshoe Green"
      in order to defeat Microsoft.
      poor, poor bastard
      nbfn

  3. Reputation? by GypC · · Score: 5, Funny

    "He thinks that a challenge by Microsoft to his patents is unlikely: It would discredit Biddle and damage the company's reputation for truthfulness..."

    Hmmm... I didn't realize there was one to be damaged.

    1. Re:Reputation? by bbh · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, they've always been known for their truth in advertising... oh wait, nevermind....

      bbh

  4. Yeah right.. by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


    Bill G. Hey 'Lucky', can I license your patented process?
    Lucky Pound sand Gates, I 0wn j00!
    Bill G. Here's 100 million dollars.
    Lucky I'm your b1tch.

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    1. Re:Yeah right.. by grub · · Score: 5, Funny

      for 100 million dollars, i'd sell out :(

      I wouldn't sell out, even if you tempted me with the tastiest sub in the world and wash it down with the best damn beer in the world then handed me the keys to the nice car you delivered it all in.

      on second thought...

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    2. Re:Yeah right.. by operagost · · Score: 4, Funny

      What if the Subway sub came with LETTUCE?

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  5. Buy him out by goldspider · · Score: 4, Funny

    As seen on The Simpsons , all Bill Gates has to do is "buy him out".

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  6. Anonymous Whoring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
    Remember kids, it's not whoring if you're doing it anonymously!
    Yes it is.

    If you were logged in, you would get Slashdot karma points.

    Since you are not logged in, you get real life universe karma points instead of Slashdot karma points, and these are even more valuable.

    So not only are you still a whore, you are a particularly successful/promiscuous/dripping one.

    1. Re:Anonymous Whoring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      "Real Life Universe"?

      Isn't that some kind CounterStrike Mod? And how does /. give you points in that game anyways?

  7. Maybe its just me.... by LordYUK · · Score: 5, Funny

    But "lucky green" sounds like a cleaning agent and "palladium" sounds like some moldly crap growing on my sink... so "lucky green" vs "palladium" sounds like some commerical where a frustrated house wife is tired of scrubbing, so she sprays on the cleaner and voila, its brand spanking new...

    then again, maybe its just me...

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  8. Don't worry! by PenguinLord · · Score: 2, Funny

    I've filed for a patent on using a software monopoly to force hardware vendors to implement a hardware based authenication scheme, in order to prevent free open source software from running on on said hardware without my permission. Thus if M$ tries to use Palladium to screw Linux, i've got them by the balls.

  9. Not gonna work by Dynedain · · Score: 3, Funny

    Well, since we all know MS monitors /.:

    MS now knows this guy's intent, and probably is already getting the ball rolling on how to thwart it. Most likely, they are already drafting a letter to the patent office on why this is an invalid patent (using whatever legalise they can come up with).

    So, thanks /. for screwing over this plan.

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  10. Speaking of buying governments... by Corvaith · · Score: 5, Funny

    That makes me wonder. Why hasn't MS gotten around to buying themselves a small country yet? (Or, possibly, just buying an island and delcaring sovereignity, which might make them one of the first to do that and become actually recognized, as far as I know...) You'd think it'd be easier for them. They could just make up their own laws. (Open Source is illegal! Everyone must upgrade every product they own as soon as the next one comes out! )

    1. Re:Speaking of buying governments... by WGR · · Score: 3, Funny

      They already have bought the United States (see election of George W. Bush and the dropping of the anti-trust case). So why hould they buy anything smaller?

  11. Using patents to stop other Microsoft problems by TyZone · · Score: 5, Funny
    Lucky Green is on to something! I could apply for a patent on, say, techniques for using overwhelming dominance of the software marketplace to enforce monopolistic practices, and then force Microsoft to stop ...

    Nope. Wouldn't work. Microsoft can demonstrate prior art.

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  12. Soft Island Resorts... by DamienMcKenna · · Score: 3, Funny

    LOL! Buy their own island, and force its two inhabitants to upgrade to XP Second Edition because, um, (flips Excuse-Of-The-Day card).. they live on the East side and not the West side - if they had lived on the west side they would have gotten free upgrades for life. :)

  13. Re:Nothing to see here by Jhan · · Score: 3, Funny
    Hell, many people in Afghanistan use Windows XP. If MS was to put anti-piracy measures, those people would be forced to switch unless they like paying a whole years salary just to buy Windows.

    Switch?

    I used to have a Windows machine. I would try to get the latest nuclear modeling programs to run, but they were like "duh".

    Then I got a Macintosh, and the modelling programs I got where just like "yeah!"

    I'm only sad I didn't switch earlier. I'm Omar Sadii, and I'm a nuclear weapons specialist.

    Of course, if you can't afford to pirate Windows, you sure as hell can't afford to pirate MacOS (or buy the hardware).

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  14. Re:5. abuse patent system by verloren · · Score: 4, Funny
    Of course, there is the "fight fire with fire" course of logic

    Well, I guess we could try patenting that, but I'm pretty sure people will stick with using water or foam. And I don't think MS will care either way.

  15. Timing doesn't really work by SiliconEntity · · Score: 4, Funny

    Lucky has a nice idea, but I don't think the timing is really going to work. Here's the problem.

    He wants to know if Microsoft is going to use Palladium for copy protection. We'd all like to know that. Well, of course, we're going to find out sooner or later, at least by the time they release Palladium, maybe around 2005. And chances are we'll find out sooner than that, because Microsoft will release specs and APIs to the developer community in order to have applications ready when the technology is released. So maybe we'll find out about 2004.

    Lucky wants to speed up this process, so he files a patent hoping that Microsoft will either challenge it, or it will turn out that they have a patent of their own. But it's likely to take a couple of years for his patent to go through. So he's not going to find out until around 2004 anyway.

    The timing doesn't really work. Waiting to see if Microsoft contests the patent won't give information for a couple of years. And by that time, chances are Microsoft will have revealed enough information about Palladium that we'll know the answer anyway.

    The one thing that isn't going to happen, I guarantee, is that Microsoft will say "Oh no! Our secret plan to use Palladium for copy protection is ruined due to Lucky Green! Curses, foiled again!" If Microsoft does plan to use Palladium like this, they'll have the patent protection in place well in advance.

  16. Re:i think by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "it's been proven time and time again that a hacker can outfox Microsoft. Look at all the copies of windows and office and other MS products out there that have product activation. There were hacks and cracks for that technology out before the software's release date."

    Heh yeah, script kiddies are executing DoS attacks with patents instead of packets.

  17. Simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
    You have to describe how you do it not only that you do it. For example you can't patent a levetating car if you don't know exactly how you are going to do it.

    "2.13.8.4: As with the levitating car (patent #540911245), the technique exploits a natural phenomenon known as "magic".

  18. Statue by sineltor · · Score: 2, Funny

    Where do we put a statue for this guy? ;-)

    We make an ASCII-art image and spam global IRC networks with it, leaving the image in the logfiles of millions of chatters worldwide; such that when all his base are belong to m$ and only his legend remains people will be able to look at their logfiles and remember the great....

    Oh, hang on. Their logfiles won't be digitally signed, so in a few years they'll be unreadable.
    sorry, forget that...

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  19. IP Spoofing by stephenisu · · Score: 1, Funny

    The latetest and greatest hacker tool, IP spoofing. Not in the Internet protocols, but Intelectual Property spoofing..

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  20. Bwahahahah.... by wiresquire · · Score: 2, Funny
    Doesn't matter if the patent is granted - the patentee will get nowhere suing MS, and this way round the burden of proof is on the patentee proving MS used the patented technique.

    But the discovery would be fun!!!

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