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Expose on Insider Loans
Ctimes2 writes "Everyone's been grousing a lot lately about high priced CEO's and compensation packages, in no small part due to the 'Enron incident'. Business2.0 has a lengthy but enjoyable feature about how corporate loans became 'compensation packages', forgivable, sometimes tax free the and norm for corporations. And Slashdot's favorite whipping boy Microsoft, while not leading the pack, certainly isn't the poster child for trustworthy finance. More importantly (or rather, to our eternal annoyance), the article provides some much needed information trolls can add to their 'CEO's are bad!' rants: "Insider lending added thrust to the long surge in executive pay that has pushed the average major-company CEO's compensation from 45 times that of the average worker in the early 1970s to about 500 times worker pay today.""
The "Thief-in-chief" today asked congress to cut by 27% the amount of money allocated to fight corporate fraud -- yet more evidence that this administration's main goals are a) ensuring that the rich texas oil barons get richer while the middle class sinks below the poverty line, b) the good old boy system remains firmly entrenched, and c) Saddam Hussein must die for humiliating George H.W. Bush.
A new company, feeling it was time for a shake-up, hires a new CEO. This new boss is determined to rid he company of all slackers. On a tour of the facilities, the CEO notices a guy leaning on a wall. The room is full of workers and he thinks this is his chance to show everyone he means business!
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The CEO, walks up the guy and asks - "and how much money do you make a week?"
Undaunted, the young fellow looks at him and replies, "I make $200.00 a week. Why?"
The CEO then hands the guy $200 in cash and screams - "here's a week's pay, now GET OUT and don't come back!" Feeling pretty good about his first firing, the CEO looks around the room and asks - "does anyone want to tell me what that slacker did here?"
With a sheepish grin, one of the other workers mutters - "That was the Pizza delivery guy".
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hehe - have a laugh folks, people take this shiat way too seriously. The firm foundation theory is now in full swing!
"the average major-company CEO's compensation from 45 times that of the average worker in the early 1970s to about 500 times worker pay today"
But they are the main figureheads responsible for the astounding progress of our economy- they increase productivity, inspire workers, and set a shining example of moral clarity for all.
Oh wait...
The PBS series "Frontline" did a show called "Bigger Than Enron" that has an excellent website to go along with the show. It contains interviews with many of the key players here, including former SEC Chairman Arthur Levitt, current chairman Arthur Pitt, and others.
It's acutally more robust than the B2.0 article, and goes into some detail about how politicians and businesspeople push for the SEC to have less power than it needs. At one point Levitt describes how the heads of different congressioinal committees were threating to pull funding entirely from the SEC if Levitt didn't quit pushing for accounting reforms, the exact reforms that turned out to be so necessary. This was in April of 2000, just before the all the shit started to hit the fan.
Coming on in conjunction with today's announcement by the Bush Administration that they don't want to give the SEC too much money, it's certainly not too much of a stretch to see a pattern develop.
In July, shortly before the measure was adopted, a Senate committee led by Ernest F. Hollings, Democrat of South Carolina, passed a $750.5 million appropriations measure for the commission...
Uh-oh. Isn't he one of the Slashdot Bad Guys (tm)? And if it's him against Bush and his administration, other Slashdot Bad Guys (tm)...
I don't know which side to take! It's like Dracula vs. the Wolfman!
No, wait, it's like a corrupt, money-driven Dracula vs. an embarassingly incompetent, bald-faced lying Wolfman! This one's going to break my brain!
...and everything to do with unethical business practices.
Scan through that list on the first page of the article. You'll notice names like Enron, Dynegy, Tyco, WorldCom, and Adelphia. Executives are getting these loans, securing them with stock options, and when the options tank the companies have no choice but to write them off. Instead of profits going towards incrasing the skillset of their workforce, or dividends, or any other number causes that would actually benefit the company as a whole, this money is just being written off.
And these aren't small sums, either. We're talking about billions of dollars.
I wonder if you even read the article. If anything, it was somewhat favorable to Microsoft. They have had some executives who are no longer with the company but, through these insider loans, have been able to walk away with millions of dollars.
After seeing what i've seen out there, I don't think it's fair that someone on an executive level can justify shutting down entire sattelite offices of their companies just so they can get a new house.
Fuck you, I hope you get herpes from the whores you bought with the company AMEX card for your "Business trip" We all know the house is because you're so dumb you let your wife see the AMEX reciepts and you had to appease her.Rot in hell bitch!
--toq
Seriously, what exactly does the CEO do anyway that makes him worth so much?
I'll bite.
I'm one. Of a considerably smaller ship, but one nontheless (I provide broadband to about eight counties in a "fly over country" state and run a regional network for voice, IP and private line).
I created my company. Worked my ass off for several years living in a crappy part of town in a small house. Leveraged everything. Risked everything. Signed on the line for every loan, pledged my house, farm and income for years to come to make it happen. Worked for 12 months with no fscking paycheck (actually, you get to pay to play in this club... attorneys, accountants, routers, systems, offices all cost bucks. Guess where it comes from?)
While my geek friends were sneaking out at 4:30 on Friday to go drink and hit the hockey games, I was working till midnight and both weekend days. Vacation? 1998 was the last time I saw free time. Fund the company? Build routers? Climb towers? Carry out the trash? Whatever it took.
Meanwhile, my competition (incumbant/monopoly phone companies in small towns) was run by Junior (second or third generation or more of family-run operations). While Junior made a cushy income, drove his flashy car, golfed at the country club and enjoyed that nice $5 million company home in Vail, I froze my ass off on grain elevators and windmills at 4AM, making small town customers happy.
So now I'm taking Junior's business. Bringing broadband to his town. Making the people happy. Junior's been horrified, learning that my annoying, trivial little company is now taking his core business. He's yesterday. Obsolete. To Junior, I'm a barbarian, but to the community I'm a saint. Even Junior's senator hangs around my office for photo ops.
So why shouldn't I be paid for what I did? You want progress? Don't expect it from Junior. If you want it from me, it comes on my terms. If I get greedy (like the dot-com assholes who lost were in it only for the $10 million homes - learn about these losers and you'll see they're nothing but upper class daddy's boys anyways. They didn't earn it), then I'll join Junior and let some efficient young fsck replace me.
So, do you really want to eliminate my incentive? Sure hope you like Junior...
*scoove*
That's certainly a valid answer. You started with nothing and built up a great business, and you're entitled to whatever you can get out of it.
What I meant was, these companies that hire someone to come in and run the place - not create it, not stay up til 3 in the morning to keep it running, just make the decisions and collect stock options, like Junior - what do they do?
I'd be happy to hear that they're worth every penny of the money; I'm honestly curious.
BTW, somebody mod the parent +1 interesting..
Twenties Retirement
SEC's budget last year: $438 million
Budget under new law: $776 million
Budget after Bush cut: $568 million
So my question is, what does the SEC need so much money for?
$30 million / 100 new employees = $300,000 per new employee.
$438 million / 3,100 employees = $141,000 per employee.
$102 million / 3,100 employees = $33,000 raise per employee
$108 million / 3,100 employees = $35,000 per employee for computers and 'financing' to restore the agency after losing its New York offices.
Where is all of the SEC's money going?
It's not reported nearly enough that Bush Jr. (Jar Jar Bush) got his breaks through insider loans. The second article is worth reading through.
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http://www.american-reporter.com/1954/112.html
Another important provision included in the bill makes it illegal for corporate executives to receive loans from the company coffers. The President has acknowledged he received a loan from Harken in the late 1980s.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0712-06.h
In recent days, questions have resurfaced about the way Bush sold $848,000 worth of shares in Harken Energy Corp. just before the stock price slumped, and about Bush's delay in filing the required insider-trading report. The Harken deal helped Bush pay off the loan on his $606,000 investment in the Texas Rangers baseball team, for which he walked away with $14.9 million. In his defense, Bush has repeatedly noted that the Securities and Exchange Commission investigated possible insider trading but took no action against him. The investigation occurred during his father's administration. Bush's critics have sometimes joked - as they did of his father - that he was ''born on third base and thought he hit a triple.'' In fact, the full context of Bush's business dealings provides a somewhat different metaphor: This is the story of a man who struck out numerous times before being bailed out by big hitters who often were family members, friends, or supporters of his father.
__ Someday, but not this morning, I'll finally learn to use the preview button.
then quote your post:
then, I'll respond:
The High-level execs who were the recipients of these corporate "gifts" ARE Junior! They didn't create the company, hell, they didn't even create much in the way of shareholder wealth. In the tech sector, it was the dot-com investor feeding frenzy that created any wealth that was realized.
You, OTOH are an entrepreneur. That is a very different species from these "boardroom stars," and I would not see your incentive reduced one iota.
Now, answer the original question
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So, do you really want to eliminate my incentive? Sure hope you like Junior...
No one is arguing that a CEO shouldn't make MORE money than other workers at a company. The question is why they are being given absurdly high compensation packages compared to every other country in the world.
It's insiderism, it's a sleazy money grab; they know it's wrong, why else would boards of directors try to hide these compensation packages from their shareholders? See the Jack Welch of GE's compensation scandal for only the latest such example.
You worked your ass off. You took risks, you got rewarded. But you can bet Jack Welch didn't climb any poles or take out the trash. Unless the trash was in Tahiti and he took the company jet. Most CEOs of large companies get a big payday whether or not their companies do well. Tying compensation to stock prices was supposed to fix that; instead they figured out how to fix their own stock prices until they could cash out.
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It's unfortunate that it's no longer legal, due to a bill passed into law last July: no more insider loans.
The reason it's unfotunate is that making unsecured loans, and later forgiving them was one of the ways you could avoid getting taxed twice on the same income. It was also one of the few ways an ordinary human whose last name was not "Heart" or "Rockafeller" or "Hilton" could afford a home in California.
I know people who killed themselves after the market crash in 2000, because their tax bill for their "Alternative minimum tax" exceeded $4M on stock whose value was far, far less than that (one of them was a Netscape employee, who exercised at the market high in February of 2000, and then was screwed, when the stock didn't go back up after falling later that year before April 15th of 2001,
when his tax bill came due.
These days, this is closed by a mechanism called "early exercise", where your company gives you a loan to buy the stock options at the time of grant, and then payment is due at the point you sell the stock, or you can surrender the stock in lieu of payment. This avoids the capital gains tax burden (in the form of state and federal AMT) in the case of a loss, by eliminating the appreciated value between the time of grant and the time of exercise.
Now this is illegal; so if you accept stock options and do an early exercise, and the company goes belly up (like 9 in 10 startups do)... well, the paper turns into a debt instrument, and they come after you for the value at the time of the exercise.
It's really assinine to tax deferred compensation in the form of stock or loans, and it's really assinine to tax-collect people to death over it: but now, this is the only option, for ISO grants to employees.
You may think "Good, we'll stop those Enron bastards!"; but the people you are really screwing over are line employees with ISO grants, who are generally taking a below market wage in exchange for a stake, and startups. The "Enron bastards" will just come up with a different approach to the problem, which is that we have a capital gains tax in the first place.
-- Terry
Look dude, i truly do find that admirable. However, i think the two of you are going to extremes.
Yes, in some distinctive ways American Business is like feudalism (i read a title i can't recall with the same theme, but talking about the 70's), with legal privelege of the few (see the music business and Duke Valenti of the RIAA). This is simply a natural consequence of market forces that tolerated the intense consolidation of American business from the early 80's through present. If Americans really didn't like lower prices for more goods, it wouldn't have worked. It did however set the stage for today's catastrophes by consolodating immense power in a proportional few.
On the other hand. The everyday investor earned more than ever before to buy goods that grew cheaper each year. The whole country went along on the drunken orgy (see above comment), and it approved so long as tommorrow morning, and the hangover (now) never came. Still, people who have faith that the USA will not become Argentina and default on our debt (which it did do in the early days) and make those savings bonds of yours worth less than enron stock (still highly unlikely today).
There is however one important idea that you, my patient, steady, long-term investing friend of mine, did not grasp.
You may have your million dollars in forty years, but it will be worth the same as 100,000 today. Meanwhile, these people of corporate privelege (like the M$ guy, or Bernie Ebbers $400 million!), who get away with it are rich with UnEarned income.
Some of my hosting clients see what I do as unearned, because i'm not sending out their html pages by hand. Meanwhile, i invest massive amounts of time improving daily. These CEOs who have on average 5.5 million dollars today and leave take the cake for the sum total of a couple of years of coasting on reputation.
In conclusion. If Feudalism is the extreme right and your anti-anti-everything rant is the left. Our country is dangerously far to the right. You may dispute this assesment, but historically, American politics today are closer to fascism than they have ever been (driven by George W). Our Senate passed a war resolution quickly to get to a far more important election. It is truly disturbing.
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"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste." - Rahm Emanuel
The problem that has been developing, and has been more or less identified as a problem for the past 3 to 5 years, is that a publicly traded company no longer manufactures and sells products, but manufactures press releases and sells stock. The important capital equipment is no longer machines, but, as has been shown by Nike and most other multi-national corporations, savvy marketing departments.
This means that if your product is stock, then as long as the stock remains relatively stable with respect to the overall market your product is doing well. To help keep you primary product, your stock, stable it is useful to have stable sales of some sort of ancillary product that your marketing department can then use to promote your primary product, stock. Most dot coms had wonderful marketing but no real sales, so, eventually, the stock became worthless or was never bought at all. Enron had sales, but when investigated, proved to be fraudulent, which wasn't a problem in itself, but nobody wants to deal with a dishonest agent. M$ has sales, cash reserves, and an excellent marketing department, so it makes lots of money. This does, not, however mean that it is fundamentally different from Enron or a dot com.
The thing to remember is that Enron set up a complex financial structure based on it's stock. True, there were many people robbing the company of millions of dollars, and there was gross accounting fraud, but the thing that brought the company down was the stock. If the stock price had not fallen and triggered certain payment which then waterfalled into audits and investigations, it may have been years before we would have known how corrupt the organization, and on reflection, the industry was.
And the same is true of M$. Stock is a profit center. M$ pays in stock options instead of cash, thus saving not only the cash but also fabricating a profit by not reporting the cost of disbursing the stock option. Also, M$ saves a lot of money in taxes by deducting the stock options from it's revenue. M$ strikes deals with traders and directs M$ employees to use those brokers to trade options. The brokers make a lot of money not only on the trades but also on the loans. There was an article a year or two ago detailing the complex stock transactions, and questioned whether M$ would be profitable without using stock as a profit center. As long the stock remains high, we expect M$ to be a successful company.
So no, the fact that M$ is making money means very little. If it is padding it books with past and future profits to meet analyst expectations, if it is using stock as a profit center, if is neglecting it's customers to meet short term investor expectation, then it has all the same problems as any other doomed company, and, if it cannot handle the web of deceit, will fall.
"She's a scientist and a lesbian. She's not going to let it slide." Orphan Black
Joined IBM as CEO in 1993 and left in March 02. When he joined, the common perception was that IBM was a dinosaur overdue for extinction. Sure it had world class engineers and a huge patent portfolio and masses of installed fortune 500 customers, but mainframes were on the way out. The bottom line was that IBM weren't making products that people wanted to buy at the right price, and it was costing a lot to make them.
now fast forward to 2002. IBM is profitable and leading the way once more. Gerstner essentially turned the company around, and in doing so generated billions of dollars for his shareholders. So despite the fact that I can't justify the need to earn tens or hundreds of millions of dollars each year, from the shareholder perspective he was worth every cent.
"The new wave is not value-added; it's garbage-subtracted" - Esther Dyson, Dec 1994
This is why the free market always fixes problems-- it took care of Enron, Global Crossing and Tyco rather fast, and exerted its maximum penalty- death, on the companies.
While congress is a bunch of jack asses that do more harm than good and never get anything done that actually helps people.
What about the "penalities" on those who caused those companies to die? Right now, I don't see anyone in immediate jeopardy of a long sentence in a "pound-me-in-the-ass" prison. Just a few token arrests of higher-ups. The "free market" requires some level of government regulation to insure that buyers of goods can be confident that they will receive what the seller has advertised. If the government doesn't do its best to keep fraud out of the marketplace, then the market itself will fall apart. This disillusion is part of the reason behind this most recent stock market crash, as well as others in the past.
Companies who, in an effort to keep their stock price high, fraudulently report profits as they're burning cash like crazy deserve to die. CEOs and others who develop and execute schemes to defraud shareholders to receive pay in excess of what they would have received if they were telling the truth need to be punished severely. I believe the government needs to do all three of the following things to such crooks: (1) seize all assets from those involved in the fraud and from those, including family members, involved in covering up the fraud (like the ImClone guy who couldn't sell his own stock, so he asked his daughter to sell hers), (2) send them to prison for many years (if those involved knew that they were likely to destroy the company beforehand, then they deserve a life sentence), and (3) after the long sentence prevent them from ever working again in any capacity at a publicly traded company.
People are really underestimating the damage that the managements of Enron and Tyco, among others, has done to the United States. It's probably going to take the country the better part of a decade to recover from this decline. And if history is any guide, the ones that inflicted the damage are going to get off lightly. A year in prison, a $1 million fine, and a promise not to do it again would be my over/under line on punishments on those like Ken Lay's. And after the ordeal, he'll still have most of his 9-figure fortune that he obtained largely through fraud.
If I go into a bank, hold it up, and walk out with $100K, I would be looking at a 10+ -year sentence, and no one would be dramatically hurt, either physically or financially. A couple of people who attempted to defraud Michael Jordan out of a few hundred grand are facing up to 25 years in jail for an action that would have not ruined the superstar's livelihood, let alone that of thousands. In neither case would the perpetrators expect to keep their illegally-obtained goodies.
If this type of fraud or extortion is grounds for a sentence of 10 years or more, then why isn't executive fraud held to the same standards when formulating a punishment. The MAXIMUM sentence in the new law passed by Congress for executive fraud is 10 years. Those at companies who have already collapsed will be subject to a maximum sentence of FIVE YEARS, because the actions in question took place before the enactment of the new law. And as far as a I know, there's no requirement that the sentencing judge of a guilty party include forfeiture of assets in the sentence. Does anyone else see something unjust in this picture?
Whether the U.S. government is overstepping its bounds and stomping all over its citizens rights is a debate for another thread. But I do believe that the government has been derelict in one of its few duties in a "free market" economy: keeping people honest. Would you really want to take part in a completely unregulated market? Ironically, the only such markets that I know to exist have been those that are outlawed by governments, such as the market for cocaine and heroin in the U.S. In markets such as these, fraud and violence is just as likely to gain someone additional market share as a supplier who produces a superior product. Would you call such a market truly free?
"He worked hard, he deserved it," is a BS argument, unless you think that everyone else who works hard deserves to be paid equally.
Note that I'm not arguing for equal pay (though I often think that might be better than the current situation). Some people do deserve to be paid more than others, but not thousands of times more.