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Airborne Mouse
edpin writes "CNN is reporting this new mouse that works without a surface. You hold the device in your hand and tilt it to where on screen you want it to go. It uses a similar technique to "rock and scroll" developed by Compaq (now HP) a while ago."
This is, in fact, no relation to Mighty Mouse.
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If it flies it's a bat, not a mouse.
Imagine what a lanparty would look like with a buncha guys throwing their hands up in the air to avoid being railed...
This isn't a good way to get out of that geek stereotype....
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This isn't anything new - for about the last year or so, we've had a mouse just like that for presentations here at my university - in fact, I think we've got one in each of electronic classrooms for instructors to use. And it doubles as a laser pointer!
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this has very limited applications. I think it will be difficult to play games with this, since I use the keyboard also. Then there is the issue of whether I want to hold my hand up in the air when using my mouse in the first place. That has to hurt after a few minutes.
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Installation involved popping the receiver into a USB port and giving the mouse a nine-hour charge in the supplied charging pod.
The review doesn't say how long the charge lasts but I certainly hope it lasts a while if you have to charge it for 9 hours.
I wonder if it's anything like this device. Seriously though - a pointing device that works without a surface? Possibly that old thumbpad wireless mouse (which was also used primarily (AFAICR) for powerpoint presentations? Possibly a trackball?
It's been done before
its been around for what.. two years now? and its at least 5 times smaller.
I think the guys at Gyration produced mice that weren't bound to the mouse pad eons ago (6+ years... I remember thinking about getting one, but they were *honkin'* expensive).
So what's different, other than being another mouse by the same company?
Didn't Gyration Inc develop something like this about 5 or 6 years ago?
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But is this really any more accurate than, say, a joystick? The advantage of a mouse is that mouse movements by your hand map directly to your screen. With practice you can just move it and get very close to the desired point. A joystick like device lets you control the rate of change of pointer position, not the position directly itself. While useful for some things, for aiming my railgun or getting work done this gadget is junk.
We've been using the Gyromouse Pro from these guys for a while now. It works great and the recharging base is a plus. The only difference I can see from what we use and the new one is that the new one is optical when you use it on the desk, whereas the gyro pro still uses old ball technology.
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This device seems like it would have very limited uses. When I am using my computer for work and play I normally don't have my left hand dedicated to my mouse (like right now, I am typing with it). It is nice to just lay my hand right on top of the mouse and be ready to go. With this I would actually have to pick it up and that would take just a second longer, but it would be enough to irritate I think. Any application where you use your hand exculsivly for your mouse (or 90% of the time atleast) might be a use for this, but then there is a question of control. Do I get fine precision with this new airborne mouse? I have to think I wouldn't...but I don't honestly know.
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Just produce it in Germany, and we've got the best of both worlds.
"hands free" operation. For instance in some warehouse implementations I've done we mounted laptop computers on fork lift equipment. First it was a pain to get the "big burly hands" to use nipples on the machine and tailed mice still had to have a place to play on. There are hand activitated computers but these cost 3X times as much as a normal PC/laptop.
Whould it not also work for presentations?
What I want is my screen focus to shift based upon eye movement. Well maybe most of the time. I don't want the wife and kid to be assilmilated!
There was a very similar device for the Atari 800. I have forgotten the exact name, but it relied on mercury (again, IIRC) switches and doubled as a joystick for playing games. It took some getting used to, but it pretty neat.
I'd hardly call this revolutionary.
On a side note, I've sold a few items *very close* to this to presentation researchers. Wireless hand-held mice that allow the professors to give power point slide shows while still being able to walk around and point at other things.
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Add force-feedback to it and I see it as a huge hit within the porn industry....
A boxing game with one of these in each hand?
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...is a gyro mouse like this, but one that attaches to your hand.
The problem I have with this mouse is, you have to constantly pick it up and put it down when you need to use it. Granted, we have to take a hand off the keyboard to operate our current meeses, but sliding a mouse a quarter-inch across the table is somewhat less involved than picking one up, re-orienting it with the screen (after all, once you've picked it up, the cursor has moved), pointing and clicking at what you want, and finally putting it down again.
Why not a small device, mounted to the top of your wrist? When you want to point, hit a hotkey that activates the mouse, raise your hand slightly from the keyboard, point-click, hotkey, back to work. The mouse in this article seems more suited to presentations than personal computing.
If this idea gets patented in the future, can I use my slashdot post as 'prior art'?
Giving a slideshow with the mouse, and "talking with your hands" yields a deletion of your presentation...
Geeks begin to have buff right arms from holding their mouse hand up all day...
Grandmothers can no longer accurately point-and-click because of their shaking hands...
Rhythmic up and down hand motions becoming the next gesture-command to surf to persiankitty.com...
We had an earlier version of this (Gyro Mouse, same company I think).
I never really liked it. Control is not so good. I think the only place I would want one of these is for giving a presentation in a lecture hall where you need more functionality than "next slide/last slide."
We were using it in a small conference room, everyone seated around a table. Eventually we switched to a cordless trackball. Much better, in my opinion. I also use a cordless trackball when I use the computer and the TV together. (It sits on the armrest of the sofa.)
There was a 3d-input device like this out sometime ago, but it never caught on. From memory, it was simply called "the bat", but this could be a general term much the same as "mouse."
I haven't been able to find any links on google, but a gyroscope-driven bat was definately out several years ago, as I remember considering it as a cool tool for playing descent or quake games (had they come up with proper support for it). It it catches on now, it might indeed be a cool tool for 3d-gamers and developers alike.
But when you lift it, the usual red optical glow disappears and the gyroscopes take over when you depress a big button on the underside.
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Ok, let me get this straight - you need to hold down a button on the bottom of the mouse/controller/whatever to move the pointer? That's a bit counter-intuitive, doncha think? What kind of wrist/hand strain is that going to create? How about complicated tasks (I realize this is an impractical example, but how about Diablo II?)
I haven't tried it so I don't know how well the thing works, but it seems like too much of a bother.
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That would look really cool, but imagine the carpal tunnel syndrome your shoulders/elbows would develop :)
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Several years ago, Till Harbaum added a tilt sensor to his Palm Pilot. Then he wrote Mulg, which is kinda like Marble Madness; if you have the sensor, you can play by tilting the Palm to roll the marble around.
This is STILL the all-time best Palm HW hack I've ever seen.
Is it just me or does no one else recognize that as the handle of a lightsaber? :)
This can take Jedi Knight II to a whole new level if the game supported it.
How long before we start seeing something like this incorporated into some of the home versions of Dance Dance Revolution....
Man, I saw a story on this exact mouse on the local news over a week ago (Wash. DC NBC Channel 4)... is slashdot now lagging behind local news reports in technology information? That would be really scary!
The linked product seems more like a handheld trackpoint and really a mouse. My two cents.
Unfortunately (and this sounds obvious, but comes as a surprise when using it), your wrist lacks the precision that your fingers have. Circle points of reference is easy, but clicking on links is difficult.
I could see where if you were doing a presentation and you wanted some mobility to walk around this would make a lot of sense. As for the office or home office I would think prolonged use while not moving around or standing would cause more fatique then a good old logitechs mouseman... Though on a side note, if you were going to seup a CAVE system, this would be exactly the mouse I'd want.
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Next : a mouse, shaped like a dime, that you have to press against the wall with your nose?
Exactly my point to : if we consider the mouse as a complement to the keyboard as an input, then they'd have to develop an airborne Keyboard to make this practical...
It's also true that the way they shaped the mouse (on the photo) doesn't make it look it is made to walk around while working.
So, now, one will have to invent a specific usage for this...
I can imagine some Mad Quakers fighting with this but they will then risk to hurt each others while quickly balancing their mouses to frag the other before being fragged...
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Better would be to start re-thinking some things more fundamentally. As you suggest, there are new degrees of freedom that could be used to enhance the interface for 3D control. The idea of 'gestures' could be very useful too, but you have to maintain compatibility both with people's familiarity with using mice, and the system and application support for mice.
I think it would be cooler if one of these could be strapped to your hand or wrist so you could still type on the keyboard without putting it down, and also access pointer functions more or less seemlessly. This needs some real hard core UI research and experimentation.
Well from the article it looks like they are trying to target those who are not trying to hurt there wrist, but in the add itself they say it responds to movment of the wrist, arm or Anything! Other then the arm and wrist what is there? I will move my body just to move the cursor? This is pure bull, you will move your wrist. Now, what hurts the wrist? Why moving it! What makes them think that holding this will help in anyway? The sad thing is that they are going to sucker in some people who are trying to help their hands. As much as it stinks trackballs are just about the only mouse that I (and many of my friends) have found to work for hurt wrists because they don't move the wrist, but only the thumb.
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I've had a "flying mouse for over 4 years now. Made by Handykey and built into their twiddler device.
you simply press the mousing button and gesture to move the mouse.
and in fact I remember back in 1993-1994 many MANY people using nintendo powergloves as mice for windows 3.11 and Logitech had a wireless "airmouse offering back in the mid 90's.
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A few weeks ago, the laptop I gave to my parents packed up (well the win98 installation gave up)... and my Dad; the definate 'luddite' who doesn't like stuff he doesn't understand, had gotten used to the laptop mousepad.
I caught him trying to use another workstation I had set up, and he was stood there moving the mouse through the air, then followed by shaking it violently (while cursing under his breath that is wasn't working) and then he found the ball at the bottom of the mouse actually moved, and started using his finger to move the ball (and cursor) around... I nearly sh*t myself from laughing. So I guess an airboune mouse might have come in handy.
I've since sorted them another workstation up, and decided a mouse might not have survived.. so I got a thumb-trackball mouse from Logitech, which is great, especially considering you don't need half the room needed for a mouse mat and movement room.
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I had a GyroPoint for about a year, and finally tossed it because it was always a little bit dysfunctional due to battery voltage issues, then finally refused to hold a charge even with new NiCads. I got the impression it was a common fault in their products.
I was buying Gyromice back in 1996. Half the campus here has them. Why on earth does this get a story?
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but once you position the mouse, wouldn't the pointer move once you set the mouse down to type?? Having a mouse rest on a desk lets you leave the pointer where its at..if focus is strictly under the mouse, it would get pretty aggrivating...
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might cause problems for those on a 36 hour run.... however I suppose much of that could be avoided by using the keyboard... wait, now I'm offtopic.
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I have been duly corrected. And I just had a German test this morning. In my own defense, we're covering home furnishings right now, not bats and/or computer peripherals. ;)
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But I believe Slashdot has covered 1-2 different hacks using these mice as the core. (Or if /. hasn't covered it, it was linked to from discussion - Anyone remember the article on the AI machine road rally contest from somewhere in California to Vegas? There was a link to an open-source helicopter autopilot project that used the electronics from these mice as an attitude sensor.)
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We can finally use a true-to-life controller for all those Jedi games now.
I was amazed when my father was in the hospital, on a resparator and unable to talk, that they had no implementation of a device like this! Does anyone know of an application that uses a wireless mouse to help someone on a resparater. These are people who often find themselves in a hospital bed, with a tube down their throat, unable to talk, and often with their hands tied to the beds. (I was told this is because of all the drugs the patient has often results in halutinations).
I am not much for tinkering, but I would guess that you could set something like this up pretty easy.
If you know of such a device, please reply. I now have a cousin who fell down a flight of stairs over the weekend, and is on a resparator.
Mark
The earlier version could work on a wire or wireless (wireless operation ate batteries, though) and was a beauty for clicking because you did it with your thumb, rather than index finger. The thumb is stronger and with it's shorter radius and good dexterity can click much more effectively without fatigue than a finger.
They also had the presentation mouse, which we put in a lecture theater about the same time.
This is merely Gyration receiving some nice press from largely ignorate media.
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My son had a hissy fit the other day and threw my cordless mouse across the room. The kid damn near took out one godawful ugly lamp. My wife would have grounded him for a month if he had broke the lamp.
I on the otherhand would have given him 20 bucks and a high-five.
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The mouse does take some getting used to if you're going to use it without a surface. Instead of using it like a normal mouse, it's designed to be held and pointed like a flashlight. Wherever the "flashlight" would shine on the screen, that's where the mouse goes. I must admit, this isn't really practical for most uses outside of things like presentations and such. The best part about these mice isn't the gyroscope feature, it's the wireless range. The model I purchaced is supposed to have a 25ft range, but in practice the real range is closer to 35ft. There's also a 50ft model that's significantly more expensive. These things are great for home theatre PCs. It's really difficult to find an RF wireless mouse and keyboard with a range greater than 6ft.
Funny this should come up; I was just reading RFC 1 this morning (read it; it's cool), and they mentioned the Lincoln Wand. "What's that?!", I asks myself; so I looked it up. 1966, guys.
I think this may set a new record for Slashdot missing the boat.
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And with a desktop mouse you're still taking your hand off the keyboard, onto the mouse, off the mouse, and repositioning over the keyboard. The typical use of separate input devices is your bugbear, not the mouse and whether it is hand held or deskbound. Some study revealed GUI designs which lack keyboard shortcuts and require mouse movement are far less efficient. It serves game designers well to remember this. Imagine grabbing a joystick, then leaping to the keyboard, then back to the joystick again. Same problem.
hen there is the issue of whether I want to hold my hand up in the air when using my mouse in the first place. That has to hurt after a few minutes.
Movement can be adjusted for very small arcs to very large arcs. When I had a Gyromouse I could rest my hand on the desk and just lightly move it around, or rest in on my thigh if I wasn't needing keyboard. It was far more relaxing, easier to use and responsive, when I had a Gyromouse (and I'm going to buy another one soon) than any desktop mouse or touchpad.
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This is just another gyromouse story, isnt it?
I've got ya beat. I've had flying mice since I started playing Doom. ...of course the flights weren't all that long and they usually shattered upon impact.
Now that I think about it, I'd have to admit I've had a few flying keyboards too...
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my CS professor loves to use powerpoint presentations as lectures almost as much as he likes to walk around (presumably to keep us awake...?)
he recently purchased one of these mice and initially we were all impressed -- waving his arms through the air with pp slides flying by behind him; it was like magic. pure, hardcore geeky magic.
until the batteries died. then things got frustrating: the cursor, *when* it responded, skittered around the screen like a coked up mosquito, slides would click by at random. I presume he tired of banging the confounded thing against the wall (with no effect) since he eventually retired the bugger.
now we're back in the tech stone-age: actually CLICKING the mouse. oh, the humanity.
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Comon, who here won't admit to sending at least a few of the poor bastards airborne to their ultimate demise during a night of Half-Life deathmatch?
There's a Mercedes gap too. I want one and can't afford one, but it's not government's job to do anything about it.
1. Get a extension cord for your mouse 2. relax on sofa 3. Grap the mouse sidways with middle finger on bottom of the mouse resing on ball, with your thumb (and index if desired) over buttons. 4. Move ball with middle finger, and bush button with thumb. Voila! man go back to the basics!
I imagine there's more than one geek here who's using, or has tried to use, a PC as the core of their entertainment system. DVD player is good, but the CD jukebox is better. TV output isn't ideal on any PC (unless you have a newer LCD television), but dropping the resolution can help that.
The biggest problem is input, though. You don't need a keyboard unless you're entering new data, and a wireless keyboard can help with that. But a wireless mouse still requires a pad, and a trackball needs a flat surface on which to rest.
IR remote controls for PCs do exist, but they're slightly limited in what they can and can't control. Something like this wireless mouse, OTOH, can be used to control an entertainment PC just like a television remote, and could make it much easier for someone to make build a PC into a home entertainment system.
I for one would love to see someone like Sony use this to market a PC specifically for this purpose -- CD/DVD player (and burner, for an upgrade), MP3/WMA/OGG audio/video jukebox preinstalled, and a TV/video in/out card to make it all happen, together with a flat stereo-component-sized case and a wireless flying mouse and keyboard. 25" flat LCD television costs extra. Could be the next big thing.
My cousin had a really kick ass TV/Stereo Surround Sound system before everyone else did. His Sony TV used a gyroscopic mouse that was shaped like an egg. It did the exact same thing on his TV. Worked as a remote....and this was 6 years ago.
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moving your hand from the keyboard to the mouse is annoying enough. Who wants to move, pick up, use, put down, and move back? Aside from specialty apps, this is DOA.
Produced in the 80's, a joystick which was freestanding, see picture.
looks like an electric shaver to me. ;)
Where do I set it down to type?
Look for the new 'mouse holster' on thinkgeek.com soon.
TK
The Gyromouse is gyro based in the air, but put it on the desk and it reverts to being an optical mouse. It needs no external sensors to detect position and it also has, in the pro version, a 30M range... It is actually a very slick pointing device , and it feels really solid in your hand.
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This is nearly as good as my Thrustmaster Firestorm Wireless gamepad... except that the Firestorm has an extra four axes and nine buttons (or nineteen with shift-button mapping). Probably cheaper too, and I can't see myself playing GTA3 with just a mouse. ;-)
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