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It's Not a Police Box, It's a Tardis

xA40D writes "The BBC is reporting that they've won the battle with the Metropolitan Police over the trademark police box, more commonly known as a Tardis: 'arbitrator Shaun Sherlock remarked that even if the police had built up any reputation, it would have only been in the area of policing and law enforcement and would not have extended into the goods and services which the BBC had applied to use it for.'"

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  1. Of course, you know that's TARDIS by penginkun · · Score: 5, Informative

    All caps, right? Time And Relative Dimensions in Space, yeah? OK. As you were.

    1. Re:Of course, you know that's TARDIS by spakka · · Score: 5, Funny

      And it's TARDISES not TARDII

    2. Re:Of course, you know that's TARDIS by 1u3hr · · Score: 4, Informative
      Oxford English Dictionary:
      acronym A word formed from the initial letters or parts of other words; loosely an abbreviation composed of initial letters.

      initialism A group of initial letters used as an abbreviation, esp. one in which each letter is pronounced separately.

      So, "loosely", an initialism is an acronym. (Not that I'd ever heard of an initialism before today.) But if one makes the distinction, I don't think that an acronym is an initialism either. Better to say both are abbreviations.

      But anyway, "Tardis" is strictly an acronym, so it should be written thusly. Unfortunately, the BBC chooses otherwise.

    3. Re:Of course, you know that's TARDIS by FurryFeet · · Score: 5, Funny

      But anyway, "Tardis" is strictly an acronym, so it should be written thusly. Unfortunately, the BBC chooses otherwise.

      You, of course, mean the Bbc, right?

    4. Re:Of course, you know that's TARDIS by mary_will_grow · · Score: 4, Funny

      Actually its GNU/TARDIS

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  2. Goods and Services? by acehole · · Score: 5, Funny

    You mean the BBC are planning to use the policebox for timetravel tips?

    The timelords would not be happy about that.

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  3. No shit, Sherlock. by Trongy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Next stop will be ionian columns.
    (The Master's tardis default appearance)

  4. I wish... by gr0ngb0t · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... that my room was a tardis. not so much for interstellar travel and everything that the good doctor used to do (although that would be cool), but just so I can fit all my shit in there easily.

    dont know how much my cat would like K-9 though...

    1. Re:I wish... by spakka · · Score: 5, Funny
      I can fit all my shit in there easily

      You're thinking of the TURDIS

  5. Heh by SexyKellyOsbourne · · Score: 5, Funny

    I peed in one of those Tardis boxes when I went to the UK, as I seriously thought it was a public urinal (I was very drunk) :D

    But anyways, it's not like the police were going to win against the BBC's high-priced lawyers -- and now that this lawsuit's over, the police (read: taxpayers) also have to pay the BBC's mega legal fees, too, even if the rest of it is just 850 pounds.

    If I were a UK taxpayer, I'd be quite angry at them for it.

    1. Re:Heh by Kwikymart · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The one thing that bugs me about this is that why does a government organization that does not take part in any trade, own the trademark on something?

      Maybe if they developed profiling software or an efficient billyclub or something (even then, that is more of a patent area), but I really think the police should be the last people getting a trademark. If I lived in the UK, yes, I would be uber-pissed at such idiocy. I hate the attitude of cops in general. Damn cops!

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    2. Re:Heh by sql*kitten · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But anyways, it's not like the police were going to win against the BBC's high-priced lawyers -- and now that this lawsuit's over, the police (read: taxpayers) also have to pay the BBC's mega legal fees, too, even if the rest of it is just 850 pounds.

      You're right - one taxpayer-funded entity is suing another taxpayer-funded entity, over something that was developed with the taxpayer's money and therefore rightfully belongs in the public domain. They only people who are coming out of this ahead are the lawyers. What a coincidence that the present Prime Minister, his wife, and most of their friends, colleagues and supporters are all lawyers. Shakespeare had the right idea centuries ago.

  6. Sheesh... by darkov · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You'd think the coppers would have something better to do than having trade mark wrangles with the BBC over something they stopped using nearly 50 years ago. Sounds a bit opportunistic - were they trying to raise some cash for the police social club?

  7. Erm... Huh? by pla · · Score: 5, Funny

    WTF? Hey, I totally support police finding "alternative" methods of funding (as opposed to milking the taxpayers, or confiscating anything they lay their eyes on thanks to the WO(s)D, ala a witchfinder general), but really...

    With all that we have going on in the world, these folks have nothing better to do than bicker over who owns a damned box? Oh, sorry, the *IMAGE* of the box. My bad. That makes it so much more serious.

    1. Re:Erm... Huh? by The+Only+Druid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Just a note - you've got to love a reference in this post to _Good Omens_. On a related note (so that this post isn't viewed as a troll or whatever), I think its important that what the courts basically said here is that if you're not using a trademark for a commercial use, its not really yours. In a meaningful way, they may have just made it possible for people to use any non-commercial trademark in a way that doesn't infringe on the original use.

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    2. Re:Erm... Huh? by nounderscores · · Score: 5, Funny

      Cool! Now I can have my intrepid alien protagonist travel the galaxy in a space ship disguised as a box of Microsoft XP disks. The logic being that it can hide the space ship in computer stores and remain undetected because nobody ever picks it up to buy it.

  8. Dr. Who could have stopped this.. by devross · · Score: 4, Funny

    If he were just a bit more clever, there never would have been a dispute. Nobody would have ever known there was a such thing as a "TARDIS" if the Doctor wasn't materializing and dematerializing all over London in broad daylight like that.

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  9. If the BBC had lost... by roalt · · Score: 5, Funny
    If the BBC lost this case, they could always send Dr. Who back in time to trademark the police box before the 1960-ties...

    Another question is... which Dr. Who?

    1. Re:If the BBC had lost... by spectecjr · · Score: 5, Funny

      If the BBC lost this case, they could always send Dr. Who back in time to trademark the police box before the 1960-ties...
      Another question is... which Dr. Who?


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    2. Re:If the BBC had lost... by Phexro · · Score: 5, Funny

      [nerd mode]
      It's The Doctor, not Dr. Who. Dr. Who is the show; The Doctor is the main character.
      [/nerd mode]


      [uber who nerd mode]
      "Doctor Who" is the show, not "Dr. Who." Besides, you're both wrong. The credits listed The Doctor as "Dr. Who" until it's seventh season, when they listed it as "Doctor Who." The Doctor was never credited as "The Doctor," though it did flip-flip between "Dr. Who" and "Doctor Who" a few times.
      [/uber who nerd mode]

  10. Etymology of Tardis by jukal · · Score: 4, Informative

    tar -c myself && dis locate work->home.

  11. Has to be said... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    'arbitrator Shaun Sherlock remarked that even if the police had built up any reputation, it would have only been in the area of policing and law enforcement and would not have extended into the goods and services which the BBC had applied to use it for.'

    In response to which the BBC commented, "No shit, Sherlock."

  12. Re:What's the point? by istartedi · · Score: 4, Funny

    The point is that when the government sues itself, it begins a process that theoretical physio-economists have postulated will result in the following phases: 1. A massive increase in the consumption of money, in this case pounds. 2. Due to the increased consumption, the government expands. 3. After burning through a considerable ammount of money as determined by the famouse Shrodinger-Herzfeld equation, it begins to collapse in on itself. 4. The collapse accelerates, during which a number of curious phenomenon are predicted such as the emission of Higg-bosons, PI denominated Euros, and pfennig-marks. 5. Finally, the government collapses into a Police Box, err... Tardis, from which an infinite supply of pounds eminates which curiously enough neither overinflates the economy nor vaporizes the world into a burst of X-rays. Unfortunately, it causes everybody to lose their teeth at an early age but most of the scientists studying the matter don't see this as a great problem, and they are eager to continue their research.

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  13. Clearly... by Jedi+Paramedic · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...the metropolitan police are running out of places to hide the bodies and simply need to figure out the "dimensionally transcendental" nature of the TARDIS in order to have more room.

    In light of this, I wonder why the people with the patent on the tire-pressure-checker have never gone after the BBC for infringing on their design for the sonic screwdriver!

    The real culprit here is the broken Chameleon Circuit. It was under warranty, but alas - the last time he was near an authorized OEM service station, the good Doctor had to leave Gallifrey in haste before someone tried to go and make him Lord President again...

    And remember - the REAL Matrix doesn't involve a kid whose only line is "there is no spoon."

    Dr. Who rocks. Only he could go back to the beginning of time and jettison 1/3 of the TARDIS (which is asserted in many previous episodes to be infinite) to escape from the gravitational pull that would become the Big Bang. Silly Zero Room.

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  14. Use of everyday item as trademark,. by N+Monkey · · Score: 4, Funny

    In a meaningful way, they may have just made it possible for people to use any non-commercial trademark in a way that doesn't infringe on the original use.

    I don't think this is anything particularly new. The Beatles' Apple record company used to use a picture of a real apple on the labels, which I assume they considered to be a trademark.

    I don't think the farmer tried to sue them for it. ;-)

  15. Re:What's the point? by vidarh · · Score: 5, Informative
    They're NOT both government departments. The BBC is a Corporation under Royal Charter. It may seem like a subtle difference, but it means that the BBC for the most part is run like any other company with the exception that it's board is appointed by the Crown, and it's main form of revenue is the license fee.

    Particularly under the Royal Charter BBC has an agreement that guarantee them editorial independence, which means that if they use the Tardis in a way that the Metropolitan Police doesn't like they don't have any recourse through government channels - they can choose to try to negotitate with the BBC, or they can sue. Presumably it's a situation like that the Met doesn't like.

  16. 850 Pounds? by NeuroManson · · Score: 5, Funny

    Awright, now they have the budget to bring back Dr. Who for another season! More tinfoil and oatmeal skinned aliens than ever before!

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  17. History of the British Police Box by fantomas · · Score: 5, Informative

    This looks like a good introduction to the history of the British Police Box...


    "The TARDIS style boxes were the most expensive and the cost for building a box in 1931 was 55pounds 16 shillings and 7pence, with another 3 pounds for number plate, coat hook, lino , stool, a fire extinguisher and bracket, as well as a brush and duster to keep the mini police station tidy!"


    Happy reading. Me, I'm 36 and grew up in England. Never saw a 'real' police box til I was a teenager. Vaguely knew that Dr. Who was travelling round in something that old-fashioned policemen used to use when my dad was a boy (or the Age of the Dinosaurs or similar) but never saw one until I was wandering round London as a teenager and found a few grubby disused and flyposted ones. Luckily these days councils have cottoned on to the fact that they are actually design classics, charming and tourists love them (as well as us who grew up as kids watching the Doctor take on tin foil and vacuum cleaner-part aliens), and they've been restoring a few rather than flattening them all.

  18. Re:What did a "police box" do ? by Foniks · · Score: 4, Informative

    They were used as a temporary holding cell for aprehended criminals and were made from anything from wood to cement. The front panel did house a phone that could be used by the public or the police to call for help/backup. In fact the original TARDIS was going to be an abandoned police box found in the country - but when the props guys rocked up it had been lifted, so they had to make a new one. Which lasted from 1963 till 1975ish when it fell apart on Tom Baker and Elizabeth Sladens head.

  19. To purchase a Police Box by Foniks · · Score: 5, Informative

    Incidently, "This Planet Earth" used to make a full size replica TARDIS that you could purchase online. It came in a wood version and later a fibreglass version - but it has since been discontinued (only recently too). But you can still buy replica Daleks, Cybermen, K9's etc. Very high quality, i.e. as good if not better than the TV originals. In fact the Daleks have been used for Doctor Who promo gigs I believe. Check them out at http://www.thisplanetearth.co.uk It looks like they are thinking of releasing the 1996 movie version of the TARDIS soon..

  20. Re:TARDIS spotted in the wild by sanqui · · Score: 4, Funny

    That's funny, I was in the area just recently, and I swear it's not there now...

    Unless...!

  21. The BBC is so cheep. by ayjay29 · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is how the BBC got the TARDIS idea:

    Director: We'r doing a space time travel "Star Trek" type thing. We need a flash spaceship, with lots of flashing lights lights and things.

    Props man: This is the BBC, be realistic.

    Director: OK, well we need a cheap model spaceship with thin wires that we can blue-screen with and do some cheesy fly-by shots.

    Props man: This is the BBC, be realistic.

    Director: Well we need something, what have you got?

    Props man: I've got this old phone box from "Dixon of Dock Green", needs a lick of paint but...

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  22. Re:Dr Who movies? Big charges. by krugdm · · Score: 5, Funny

    But the Metropolitan Police lost its appeal and has been ordered to pay £850, plus legal costs.

    Hmm. That should be just about enough cash for the BBC to pay for the special effects to film another episode...

  23. Big Deal! by foistboinder · · Score: 5, Funny
    The Tardis has been Dr Who's preferred mode of travel for transporting him through time zones since 1963.

    So? I do that all the time in my car.