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Opera Releases Stable FreeBSD Browser

1nsane0ne writes "The Register is reporting that Opera has released a production FreeBSD version. It appears to have fixed some of the problems that I found in a few hours of playing around with the betas and will be interesting to test a bit more."

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  1. My Obligation by jonnyfish · · Score: 3, Funny

    It is my duty as a random Slashdot idiot to ask the following:

    isn't BSD dead?

    1. Re:My Obligation by bayankaran · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yes, an Opera to accompany the dead is nice.

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    2. Re:My Obligation by pfish · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's still very much alive...

      It may not be perfered by many, but it's still heavy in development, and prefered by many ISPs.

    3. Re:My Obligation by Dannon · · Score: 5, Funny

      Since they've got Opera now, it'll be a little while longer. At least until the fat lady sings.

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    4. Re:My Obligation by dacarr · · Score: 5, Funny

      Opera has an OS/2 version. You figure it out.

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    5. Re:My Obligation by jo42 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Mebbe its time you installed HeadExtractionDevice.rpm on yer leenooks box - as in extract head from rectum... :-p

    6. Re:My Obligation by OzJimbob · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Too true. My boss at the ISP I sysadmin at started insisting 6 months ago that we use FreeBSD on every machine instead of Linux. And I recently switched my own web server over to FreeBSD and haven't looked back. While Linux is making in-roads on the desktop with distros like Lycoris, FreeBSD is where it's at if you want a plain, powerful unix server environment. But then, now that software like Opera is available, FreeBSD is becoming more usable on the desktop as well!

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    7. Re:My Obligation by BrookHarty · · Score: 4, Informative

      I wasnt happy with 4.6 FreeBSD, but when 4.7 came out, KDE3 compiled. Xfree drivers that worked for my video card. Koffice compiled without problem. Everything worked for KDE/Gnome.

      The biggest problem I had with FreeBSD was ports didnt compile, but 4.7 most ports I tried compiled out of the box. Only grip I have is, its still using gcc 2.95, while 3.2 is out. But I hear 5.0 is completely GCC3.3 based.

    8. Re:My Obligation by reg · · Score: 4, Informative

      Have you tried installing a second compiler for ports... gcc 3.2.1 (which is in current) wont buy you anything with the base system, other than 15% slower compile times. But you can install the gcc32 port, and then use 'make CC=gcc32 CXX=g++32' to build ports such as KDE or Gnome which might benefit from the newer compiler. You might also want to insure that you use the correct -march setting for your machine also, because gcc 3.2.1 will generate worse code than 2.95 if you just leave it to the default arch (vanilla 386).

      Regards,
      -Jeremy

    9. Re:My Obligation by salimma · · Score: 2

      A requiem would be more appropriate. May I recommend Mozart or Duruflé ?

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    10. Re:My Obligation by BrookHarty · · Score: 2

      Exactly, even if you install gcc3.2.x you cant compile the kernel yet with it. I tried just to see if it would work, it didnt. (Yup, the port description warning is correct)

      When the base system is gcc3.x based, it should have show an improved speed. On my gentoo linux desktop with AMD optimizations compiled in, you notice the speed increase.

      I'll prob snag a copy of 5.0 development later and play with it, I already have to grab the cvs version of Xfree for ATI Radeon 9700 support.

  2. Good to hear by Helmholtz+Coil · · Score: 5, Informative

    Very good to hear. I love my FreeBSD desktop dearly, and one of the last ties I had to enabling Linux compatibility was a release version of Opera. So far I have yet to find a better combination of

    • low-profile,
    • high speed, and
    • functionality
    in a single browser. Most of the other browsers I've come across were of the "choose any one of the above" variety. I've found niche uses for all of them, but Opera was the best choice on a old P75 for me.
    1. Re:Good to hear by Theom · · Score: 2, Informative

      Phoenix?

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    2. Re:Good to hear by phoenix_rizzen · · Score: 5, Informative

      It *IS* available in the ports tree. Has been for several weeks. /usr/ports/www/opera It's currently at 6.10 B1, though. Expect an update shortly to 6.10.

  3. Re:Jesus christ - front page and nine replies so f by NanoGator · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Who would think that a dead browser... "

    Define dead. Percentage-wise, IE is the only browsezr that's alive.

    Somehow they've found money to keep developing new versions of Opera, so I wouldn't be so quick to call it 'dead'.

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  4. Re:Jesus christ - front page and nine replies so f by unicron · · Score: 3, Funny

    Maybe it's a Halloween/Zombie thing.

    Dad, You killed the zombie Flanders! He was a zombie?

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  5. The real news by schussat · · Score: 5, Informative
    The real news here isn't simply that the BSD version of Opera 6.1 has been released, but that 6.1 is now available generally for Linux -- both i*86 and PowerPC platforms. This is a really significant development, and it means that, as of right now, the Linux version of Opera is now at a higher release number than for Windows (which is at 6.05 right now). The Opera folks are really moving on Linux development.

    -schussat

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  6. Nice by rppp01 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I am glad to see Opera available to yet another platform. Perhaps Opera is trying to become the netscape of Unix-land.

    Opera is a lot faster than Mozilla, and I think it is a prime browser. I've been using it off and on for almost 2 years (I knew a guy who was from Norway, and was huge on this browser even back then).

    This is awesome. Way to go Opera. Congrats FreeBSD.

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    1. Re:Nice by evilviper · · Score: 2
      I am glad to see Opera available to yet another platform. Perhaps Opera is trying to become the netscape of Unix-land.

      You completely lost me there. If 'Opera is trying to become the netscape of Unix-land', then that makes Netscape what???

      Perhaps you meant Opera is trying to take Netscape's spot by porting to all the Unix platforms?
      Perhaps you meant Opera is tring to be the Internet Explorer for Unix?
      Perhaps you meant Opera is trying to make their browser as unstable and feature-bare as Netscape 4 an Unix?

      I just don't follow.
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    2. Re:Nice by Shanep · · Score: 2

      Perhaps you meant Opera is trying to make their browser as unstable and feature-bare as Netscape 4 an Unix?

      The instability of Netscape is just truely astounding. I still remember getting lots of "bus errors" when trying to run Netscape under Red Hat 5.0 and thinking that I was doing something wrong. ; )

      Netscape 7 under Wintel seems a lot better, but I can't help but wonder why they would bother any more. I'm running it out of morbid curiosity, just wanting to see if they've upgraded the speed and stability from the Netscape 6 (molasses) release. Maybe they're trying to be a minority of minorities. I can't see any niche left that they could fit into, even if they could fix all the old problems.

      Choose an arch and choose an OS and you can always be sure that Netscape will crash on it, right when you actually are about to do something at a stage that you think you should be cut-and-pasting, just in case.

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    3. Re:Nice by evilviper · · Score: 2

      Yes, Netscape 4 was unstable.
      Yes Netscape 6 was stripped of the best Mozilla features.

      Still, the performance & stability in the latest versions of Mozilla is quite impressive.

      As for niches, Netscape lost out because it was slow and unstable. Now that Moz has all the features known to mankind, it just might make a killing once again. The fact that it is open source (not under the GPL) means that anyone can use it, extend it, and modify it.

      I would dare say that Netscape/Moz has a very good chance to take back the desktop, as this time it's Microsoft that has been sitting around while the competiton catches up.

      Even if you don't believe that Moz has a chance against Internet Explorer, it's still the best Open Source browser, and I would argue that once the performance improves a litte more, it would be the best browser, anywhere, period.

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    4. Re:Nice by Shanep · · Score: 2

      Even if you don't believe that Moz has a chance against Internet Explorer

      I quite like Moz and really hope that it continues to get better. My mind is certainly open. Netscape 7 and the new Mozilla's are looking good.

      I would actually like to see Mozilla kick arse, especially against IE. I just learned to really hate Netscape and when 6 came out it was like the last straw.

      I'm sure the open source community will keep making Moz great. It's just that when I think of Netscape, all I can think of is the slow buggy Netscape of times before open source was able to improve it.

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  7. I'm amazed Opera did that by bogie · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Feel free to chalk this up as a "BSD is dead post", but considering how few people use linux as a desktop, there must be 10 times less BSD desktop users. Really I'm not trying to troll, but there are just not nearly as many bsd desktop users as there are linux ones.

    That said I'm surprised Opera would port for that small a user base, especially considering its a payware browser. I guess the same could have been said for Beos which never had a large user base.

    Anyway good for Opera. Its too bad the other 99.999% of Desktop ISV's out there ignore any linux or nix, that isn't OSX. I keep waiting money in hand, but year after year they never come, Sigh.

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    1. Re:I'm amazed Opera did that by talks_to_birds · · Score: 3, Funny
      Interesting concept:

      "..there must be 10 times less BSD desktop users.."

      "Ten times less.."

      Is that times a negative ten?

      Or maybe "one-tenth"?

      hmm.. a real puzzle.

      t_t_b

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    2. Re:I'm amazed Opera did that by phoenix_rizzen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Obviously, there were enough users willing to complain and request a native version to make development of a native version worthwhile.

    3. Re:I'm amazed Opera did that by Jace+of+Fuse! · · Score: 5, Insightful

      there must be 10 times less BSD desktop users

      Your probably right, but you know what? I'm glad developers don't always pay attention to things like that, because if they did Windows would be the only OS with any support what-so-ever. I'd dare say 95% of all desktop machines run Windows, if not more. So by your logic, supporting Linux or Mac OSX is a waste of time.

      I happen to personally really like FreeBSD.

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    4. Re:I'm amazed Opera did that by bogie · · Score: 2

      "I'm glad developers don't always pay attention to things like that"

      Me too, Like I said its cool that they did.

      "So by your logic, supporting Linux or Mac OSX is a waste of time."

      Exactly. That's why linux gets no desktop support and Mac gets significantly less than windows does.

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    5. Re:I'm amazed Opera did that by bogie · · Score: 2

      Maybe, but the fact remains that hasn't worked with Adobe or Intuit or any of the other desktop software publishers so I don't know how "obvious" it really was.

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    6. Re:I'm amazed Opera did that by bogie · · Score: 2

      Obviously I don't think supporting linux is a waste of time, but obviously the desktop software companies do.

      Fact is linux is still ignored by all the big dekstop developers. Sure we get the odd game once in a blue moon but overall commercial companies have passed on linux. That doesn't mean I don't think Redhat 8 with OpenOffice kicks ass, but it doesn't change the fact we are still being ignored.

      I'm not the one who needs convincing.

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    7. Re:I'm amazed Opera did that by RazzleDazzle · · Score: 3, Informative
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  8. Re:Jesus christ - front page and nine replies so f by kgasso · · Score: 2, Funny

    Your average Slashdot poster is a zombie 365.25 days a year anyway. :)

    Mmmmmmmmmarf, BRAINS!

  9. Opera's appearance by rsax · · Score: 2, Informative
    I've tried Opera on Windows 2000 Pro, FreeBSD 4.6 and NetBSD 1.6 .. when I used it on *BSD, only the linux version was available and it had a really 'chunky' appearance which didn't match the rest of the KDE environment (the default one or the themes I tried). I know they have 2 versions of the browser available : a statically linked QT one and a dynamically linked one. I've tried both but no luck. Other than that it's a great, fast browser which I'd definetly like to purchase.

    That being said, as each day passes it's going to be harder and harder to pry Mozilla from my cold dead hands, especially with such great add-on software.

    1. Re:Opera's appearance by 13Echo · · Score: 2

      The newest versions of Opera for Linux are really good about working with QT 3. I have mine set up and skinned with Mosfet's Liquid just fine. In the past though, that wasn't the case. They used to use QT 2, but about a month ago they switched. There were some problems at first with black boxes on certain windows when you would apply QT skins, but that seems to be fine now. Also, linking to libqt-mt would also couse a few incompatibilties, but that may have been corrected.

      They are trying to keep the binaries as small as possible, and that is tougher for them to do on Linux, due to the subtle differences between some of the distributions. At least, that is the impression that I got from the programmers.

  10. It's a shame by RatBastard · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's a shame that the IE VS Netscape war has made it almost impossible for most companies to make a living selling good browsers (or even email clients). I have no problem paying a reasonable amount of money for a quality product.

    You don't want to pay for it? Fine. Use the advert version. Or don't use it at all.

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  11. Re:Jesus christ - front page and nine replies so f by NanoGator · · Score: 2

    "...for that matter you could take freebsd itself... " ...please! *bad-dum-CHING!*

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  12. Browsers, Java, etc. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Having Opera come out with a native browser for FreeBSD is a good thing but what is really needed is decent Java support.

    Yahoo's reason for choosing PHP over Java/J2EE, is simply due to poor Java (especially threads) support in FreeBSD.

    I am not using FreeBSD because Java support totally sucks compared to Linux, Mac OS X and Windows.

  13. This Tells Me... by istartedi · · Score: 2

    ...that BSD is... no, no, it doesn't tell me that. It tells me that Opera must be very portable, since they wouldn't have invested too much effort on the *BSD desktop market. Really, I'm surprised that this required much effort at all since the BSDs run X and most of the major X-based desktops anyway. I mean, I can see how you'd have trouble porting from Windows to *NIX, but once you've ported to one *NIX, the rest shouldn't be that difficult unless you've shot yourself in the foot, which the Opera developers plainly haven't.

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  14. A real Review by evilviper · · Score: 3, Informative

    Since this is severly lacking, I thought I'd let you know how Opera actually works (you know, instead of just saying how happy/unhappy I am, that it exists).

    I liked one think about the pre-release beta version... I didn't see any banner ads. It was likely accepting my Linux registration, despite not being the linux version.

    The release (6.1) does not accept a Linux registration key, and you have to register all over again... Understandable, but still irritating.

    That said, this is far better than the initial beta, or the Linux version under emulation. Just plain and simply, it is far more stable... I have yet to have it crash on me. Athough I've only been using it for a few hours, this is a very very good sign.

    Additionally, I was previously unable to paste text from a webpage in Opera into AbiWord, and a couple other apps. That has now gone away, and the clipboard is working (mostly) as it should.

    <RANT>
    That's step one. Now all they have to do is *completely* redesign the interface and I'll be a happy Opera user. Since that's probably not in the cards, I'll continue to use Opera as little as possible.
    </RANT>

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  15. Re:web browser for freebsd? by Shanep · · Score: 2

    a web browser for freebsd is like playing quake on my stereo. freebsd, just like every other non-Mac, non-Windows OS, belongs on a server that nobody ever logs in to.

    As far as I can remember, Quake was designed and built on NeXT machines, BTW.

    The minds behind the production of the current Mac OS are the types that would run something like FreeBSD as a desktop. It's those types that create. The types who share your attitude are the types that take whatever is given to them, are not creative and try to appear like they matter when all they're really good at is shooting shit in Quake.

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  16. Re:Jesus christ - front page and nine replies so f by Shanep · · Score: 2

    Your average Slashdot poster is a zombie 365.25 days a year anyway. :)

    I can see, not just by your 5 digit user id or your accurate depiction of the average /. user, that you've been around /. for a while. Taking into consideration leap "years" shows that you're one not to get caught out by /. loosers who rip to shreds any post that has too little information to convey the posters opinion absolutely completely. These /. loosers most often ram your own opinion down your throat as if it is thiers and nobody elses, as if you deserve it for not being quite verbose enough. They have a need to add and blow out of proportion the smallest and most irrelevant amount of information as if it is what matters most, in a pursuit to show everyone how much better they are than the original poster.

    I stand ready, poised for such a reply.

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  17. Re:Presto - Where'd It Go? by 13Echo · · Score: 3, Informative

    It is looking like there will be a bit of a delay for the Linux and BSD versions of Presto, until some time after the Windows release. That is probably why they are trying to get 6.1 as stable as possible- to gear up for 7.0.

    Actually, I don't expect Presto to arrive on Linux until December or January, at the earliest.

  18. Re:why do this? by KjetilK · · Score: 3

    I think it is as simple as there being many free software geeks at Opera, some like Linux, some like FreeBSD, and one of the FreeBSD geeks figured that Opera is easily portable, so it was just a matter for somebody to sit down and do a all-nighter to get it done. So, the answer to that question is probably: Just because we could.

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