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Namibia Says "No Thanks" To Microsoft Donation With Strings

The Register posted an update about Namibia's SchoolNet, Microsoft "donations", and what looks like Namibia final decision. Apparently, MS's "donated" contributions would have been so small (and would have required such a large investment in OS licenses), that SchoolNet Namibia found it wasn't even worth bothering with. A very interesting article.

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  1. Typical MS by ChaoticLimbs · · Score: 5, Funny

    Microsoft will never give away valuable items. That's why they are giving away Windows.

    1. Re:Typical MS by Darth+Coder · · Score: 5, Informative

      Did you actually read the article?

      MS was giving them $2000 worth of copies of Office, but they would have been required to spend $9000 in order to buy Windows to use it!

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    2. Re:Typical MS by ictatha · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I guessing you also had to pay tuition... How much was that?

      Don't get me wrong... I'm sure you probably paid much less for that software than you would've otherwise... But I highly doubt that your total cost was only $25. Universities pay a lot for those Microsoft campus agreements, and the money they pay for it with comes from somewhere, either your tuition/fees, or your tax dollars. (unless a rich Alumni/'Partner'/etc. donated the money, then you may be off the hook, and getting a deal)

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  2. Open letter to MS from SchoolNet by bpd1069 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Here is the letter itself...

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  3. In other news .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    In other news, linux gives nothing to Nambia.

  4. Maybe this is why by John+Jorsett · · Score: 5, Funny

    Perhaps Microsoft got wind of the hundreds of millions in locked-up foreign exchange that I'm helping a Mr. Jomo Kenwatta get out of the country (for a modest few mill thrown my way for my trouble, of course.) If the Namibians have that kind of dough lying around, they shouldn't be grousing about a few bucks for licenses.

  5. In other words.. by SourKAT · · Score: 5, Funny

    Namibia: I need a vehicle I could drive from home to work. Micorosft: I'll give you free floormats but you have to buy 6 cars.

  6. Oxymoron Count by MacAndrew · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now, in addition to "jumbo shrimp," "military intelligence," and other legends, we have "Microsoft charity."

    What is it with these guys? Are they crazy like a fox, arrogant, or just dumb? Is Microsoft really that worried about market share in impoverished Africa, and is it this inept at promoting itself?

    Well, three cheers for Linux, which doesn't even have a promotional budget.

    1. Re:Oxymoron Count by MonMotha · · Score: 5, Funny

      Didn't you forget Microsoft Works? That has got to be the biggest oxymoron of all time.

    2. Re:Oxymoron Count by ender81b · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Is Microsoft really that worried about market share in impoverished Africa, and is it this inept at promoting itself?

      You know that cracks me up. I mean Africa has a mean Per-Capita-GNP of about $2000, a AIDS infection rate reaching 30% in some countries, massive amounts of foreign debt, corrupt governments, and the list goes on-and-on. And yet microsoft is paranoid about market share. You think they would realize that it is *really* hard to get a business/non-profit organization/individual to pay 600-1200$ for the latest Microsoft Products when they can get near-equivalents for *free*. As in free. As in don't have to sacrifice the equivalent of 1 years worth of pay to buy some MS products which might be marginally better than the equivalent *Free* products. The only hope they have is giving them free software since, in all likelihood, if the organization really wants said copies of MS software they will just pirate the darn things anyways. And, hey, wouldn't you if you made 1500$ a year? Note: Don't advocate piracy or stealing, just trying to point out how inept MS strategy is.

      To: Microsoft
      From: Africa

      Subject: Quotes

      After reviewing your offering of $15,000 to connect and equip 20 computers with software - from our grand total IT budget of about 50$ - we have decided to go with the competitions offer of *FREE*. That way instead of buying your over-priced software we can actually do some good like teaching rudimentry tech skills, feeding the poor kids we teach, and maybe attracting some tech jobs to improve the future of our grandchildren. We would like to assure you that your quote was appreciated and look forward to possibly doing business with you in the future.

      Kthnxbye.

    3. Re:Oxymoron Count by imroy · · Score: 5, Informative

      Silly me, I thought I read that they're using diskless Linux Terminals. I must have read a different article to you.

  7. Never has there been a more perfect application by ChaoticLimbs · · Score: 5, Funny

    for Codeweavers' WINE and crossover office. Take the stuff from M$ amd use office in Linux or BSD.

  8. Nice! by Psx29 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I hope this generates a PR Nightmare for microsoft and maybe other countries will follow. Especially with quotes like this:

    Judging from this example it would appear that the obscenely rich Beast intends to use non-profit organizations in desperately poor countries to subsidize its promotional ambitions and its sales strategy.

  9. The perfect slashdot story by distributed.karma · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is preaching to the choir, and instantly earns the +5, Anti-M$ moderation. The word is Slashturbation. What good is this article on these geek media? Someone get this on mainstream news, puhleeze.

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    1. Re:The perfect slashdot story by megaduck · · Score: 5, Funny

      Slashturbation. Cool. I've got a new "Word of the Day".

      While this article is definitely "Slashturbation", it's not worthless. A lot of us have been saying that Free Software will gain traction in the third world because anything else is unaffordable. This provides practical evidence of that theory, and is relevant to those of us that care about IT in developing nations or pricing models in general.

      Of course, it also gives us anti-M$ cheerleaders a warm fuzzy feeling too.

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  10. Re:In my ideal world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    I'm tempted to move to Africa to unionize their computer professionals.


    And what will the three of you do after you unionize?

  11. Cost of publicity by digitalhermit · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This article mentioned something on the order of 20 *refurbished* PCs to 5 schools (100 used PCs + 5 new servers). Given that PC prices are so relatively low (I've recently put together an Athlon XP1800+ based PC for under $400) It's amazing that a billion dollar corporation is so insanely profit driven that they can't even do something out of *good will*. It must become a profit opportunity. I don't know what level of PCs these are, but the local computer show often has Pentium 233MMX machines, AMD K62/500s and similar for under $100 for the complete machine (memory, disk, cdr).

    This is precisely the reason I don't use M$ products. I started using Linux for purely practical reasons, but now it's almost equally philosophical.

    1. Re:Cost of publicity by McCart42 · · Score: 5, Informative
      It's amazing that a billion dollar corporation is so insanely profit driven that they can't even do something out of *good will*. It must become a profit opportunity.

      While I know there is a separation between the actions of Microsoft and the actions of Bill Gates, Bill Gates himself has done plenty of things purely out of good will. His charity donations are interesting to me, in that he donates to causes like disease research -- rather than following the tradition of many philanthropists of yesteryear, donating mostly to public works which are subsequently named after them (I'm sure he does this too, but I believe the main focus is on international health). Note that I'm not saying there's anything wrong or selfish about that--I'd rather study in the Kelvin Smith Library than study in my dorm room, but the selflessness Gates has shown with his riches is one thing I do admire (granted, it doesn't make up for Windows ME, but nobody's perfect). Here's a pretty good cache of stories about his charitable donations.
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  12. I received a similar offer recently... by Zen+Programmer · · Score: 5, Funny

    Microsoft recently offered to give me a free Xbox. My first response was "Sweet!" But I knew there had to be catch, so I asked the MS Rep what strings were attached. "None whatsoever," he replied, "all you have to do is pay for it."

  13. Re:More bullshit from the Register & Slashdot by Sancho · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The donation was for a usability aspect. The school couldn't afford what they were asking for. Rather than donate the OS, Microsoft chose to donate the office suite, meaning the school would have to buy the OS anyway. Yes, Microsoft didn't have to donate anything, but the fact that they were offering smething fundamentally useless to the school (they couldn't afford to run the software) shows something.

  14. Psssst! by dieMSdie · · Score: 5, Funny

    Pssst! Hey, kid... c'mere!
    Here, kid... have some of this...

    No, I can't afford an MS habit.

    Awww, c'mon kid, the first hits free!

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  15. Good thing to do.... by jsimon12 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You know what would be a good thing to do, it would be to get the Slashdot community together and help get these people some laptops, without continued community support these guys might fall to Microsoft in the end or just fall period. Open Source is about everyone giving a little, so it would only take everyone who reads this article donating a quarter or a piece of hardware. Anyone with me on this?

  16. Sounds like a good place to deploy Solo computers by martintt · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This sounds like a good market for the

    Solo computer

    a neat ARM powered machine that used 8.5 watts all in (including monitor) and can be solar powered.
    Instead of 500ish watts for a standard desktop.

    No I don't work for ARM I just like their kit.

    It looks like the ultimate silent pc - no noise even in the power generation.
    Although RISC_OS isn't open source it is pretty solid and isn't part of the Evil Empire.

  17. Re:More bullshit from the Register & Slashdot by sulli · · Score: 5, Funny

    It says you give porn to charity?

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  18. Re:In my ideal world by rueba · · Score: 5, Informative

    Funny, ha ha.

    Being from Tanzania, I can assure you there are more than a few computer professionals in Africa. Believe it or not, most offices actually have PCs and many have internet access, hence "computer guys" are required to maintain them.

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  19. Re:What a dumbshit article by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I agree.

    Greatly disliking Microsoft is one thing, but posting blatant propaganda that looks like it was written by a 12 year old on a 'news' site is not helping anything. The best they can do is make the entire anti-Microsoft cause look like it's run by a bunch of snivelling brats addicted to counterstrike.

    This is an actual line from the article: "Now imagine the disappointment of learning that accepting the 'gift' would entail outlays of money in the range of fifteen times the value of the M$ Trojan horse."

    Slashdot editors: In the interest of maintaining the integrity of the slashdot community (if there's any left...) please don't post propaganda as 'news.' It erodes the value of the community. It makes us no better than Microsoft and in the end. It is counterproductive. The Register should be spanked badly for this.

  20. Re:Namibia's government == GENOCIDAL RACISTS by ceejayoz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    communist thieves who could care less about open source

    First off, "communist thieves" is an oxymoron, and communists would likely strongly support open source.

    A more accurate assessment of the Namibian government would be "thugs giving land and money to their cronies and starving the rest".

  21. Re:Beggars with attitude! by mindstrm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not just about that.
    Microsoft wants it's foot in the door by donating Office. These people are working on a small budget, and absolutely cannot afford the infrastructure needed to even USE that software. It's hardly a "gift".

    Given the amounts of money MS rolls out, if MS wanted a foot in the door in Nambibia, they could easily afford to network & outfit the entire country's school system.. THEN they would surely listen.
    Maybe.

  22. Re:What a dumbshit article by douglas+jeffries · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Register should be spanked badly for this.

    Is it so bad that The Register makes their takes on stories so obvious, and makes fun of things they believe are amazingly stupid? That's what I've always liked about them; they don't pretend not to have a viewpoint, and it's quite obvious what their views are. It's really easy to read past that, and it's often funny even when I don't agree with them.

    Seems to me The Register wouldn't be who they are without ripping on people once in a while (every day), so I'd say you should choose to read them or not, and not worry about things like that.

  23. Re:Bill G is the world's biggest philanthropist by Blondie-Wan · · Score: 5, Insightful
    It doesn't change the fact that the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation does an enormous amount of good in Africa and the rest of the world. Look it up if you don't believe me.

    Bill Gates is the biggest philanthropist in the history of the world, and while critics can talk about soft donations of things like software licenses, in reality he does a lot of stuff like vaccinations and grants to develop basic infrastructure in the developing world.



    Of course, it's also known that many of Bill's & Microsoft's "charitable" donations are in fact calculated exercises to buy good PR. It's certainly true that it does in fact do some good, but as yet, all indications are they've never done anything they didn't perceive to be in their own interests, and that includes the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and all its "good works."

  24. All joking aside by dcavanaugh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When struggling countries like Namibia are motivated to avoid Microsoft, the same motivations are coming soon to a computer near you.

    We all know it is possible to use Linux as an alternative to Microsoft. Most of us are accustomed to tolerating the Microsoft OS in order to get the functionality of their office apps. As time goes by, Linux has narrowed the gap to the point where the most cost-conscious users (schools and government) are ready to jump ship. The next wave will be home users, then small business, ultimately big business.

    Ironically, conquering the piracy problem is what got the ball rolling. If Microsoft turned a blind eye toward piracy in certain key markets, they could have prevented Linux from establishing market share. Sure, they need to collect money from those who have money, but they also need to give away product to anyone who can't or won't pay. If you can't get the customer's money, you have to at least stop them from using the competitor's product.

    Microsoft talks a good game about dealing with Linux as a competitor, but look at their actions. Higher prices, "software assurance", increasingly obnoxious EULA's, all the things they might be expected to do if there was no competition. The handwriting is on the wall -- time for Bill to cash in his chips and retire.

  25. Re:Namibia's government == GENOCIDAL RACISTS by rueba · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The article you posted does not support your assertion.

    What is being proposed is forcible redistribution of land from white farmers to black farmers with compensation being paid to the white farmers.

    Granted, this may or may not be a bad idea, but it hardly amounts to "ethnic cleansing" and "genocide."

    Neither does it amount to communism, as in that system all the land would be owned collectively. They are proposing to settle individual families onto this land. Hence: not communism.

    Lastly, you are trying to ignore the historical context of how this land was obtained. Do you really expect the native black farmers to ignore how all the fertile land was monopolized by Europeans at the beginning of the last century?
    I'd say they are being a lot nicer than the Germans were when they were taking the land.

    Your post is inflammatory and just plain wrong.

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  26. Re:Beggars with attitude! by Mnemia · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Except that this donation doesn't cost Microsoft a penny more than the trivial cost of media. Schools in Namibia could never afford to buy Microsoft software anyway so it's not like Microsoft is losing anything by giving them this "gift". Even if Microsoft gave them a complete suite of Windows-equipped software including the OS for every one of those computers Microsoft would still come out ahead because of the gains in PR and goodwill for the company, and the exposure of all those kids to Microsoft's brand and products. So everyone would win because MS is getting good publicity and exposure by doing something that doesn't cost them anything but greatly benefits the public of Namibia. That's what corporate philantropy should be like.

    But, Microsoft wanted more. They wanted to turn this into a sales opportunity as well and grab a chance to lock even some of the world's poorest into their exploitative upgrade cycles. Make no mistake, if these people had taken this deal, all that money would be pure profit for MS.

    So, really, MS has no interest in making actual donations - they really just want to milk everyone while making it look like they are making a meaningful contribution. This "gift" was nothing more than a sleazy sales tactic and I'm glad that Nambia isn't "buying" into it.

  27. Microsoft was being foolish here. by mfterman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Assuming the best case scenario where the school system asked for a donation and Microsoft offered a $2000 discount on what would be a $11,000 package, whoever was in charge of drafting that deal should have known that the offer was going to be refused. A nation that poor can't afford usual Microsoft prices.

    In short, Microsoft made a very dumb decision making that sort of offer. As someone else said, it's like giving a homeless person asking for a meal a fifty cent coupon off a five dollar meal. Yes, you owe the homeless person absolutely nothing but making that sort of offer is verging on an insult, and at the very least is showing incredible stupidity.

    If Microsoft had to give $2000 in free software, why not make it a smaller number of Office/Window packages? Instead of offering just Office or just Windows offer a smaller combination of both. Of course that still skips support costs and so likely would have been tossed out but hey...

    In any case, it's not hard to see why Linux is becoming increasingly popular in third world nations. In those places you practically expect Microsoft to start promoting piracy of its software just to keep Linux from becoming more entrenched.