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Most Powerful Computer in Canada - for a Day

Posted by timothy on from the fleeting-fame dept.

An anonymous reader writes "On Nov. 4, 18 Canadian universities and will create the most powerful computer in Canada for a day to solve an important computational chemistry question in one day -- a task that would normally take six years to complete." Here is more information on the temporary supercomputer available at the project's home page and at UofG's News.

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  1. Westley Crusher by CatWrangler · · Score: 3, Funny
    On Nov. 4, 18 Canadian universities and will create the most powerful computer in Canada for a day.

    There goes Will Wheaton, showing off again. That bastard. I thought Picard got rid of that young twerp once and for all.

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  2. hmmmm by AvitarX · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sounds like they want to play DoomIII (http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/11/03/15202 40&mode=nested&tid=127) alpha witha good frame rate.

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  3. Dup by HRbnjR · · Score: 3, Informative

    This story is a Duplicate

    1. Re:Dup by NotAnotherReboot · · Score: 4, Funny

      quick, everyone go to the original article and post the highly moderated posts as your own in this one!

  4. Beer Cooled Supercomputer by Myriad · · Score: 5, Funny
    On Nov. 4, 18 Canadian universities and will create the most powerful computer in Canada for a day to solve an important computational chemistry question in one day

    Coincidentally, on Nov 4, Canadian Universities will create the world's first beer-cooled supercomputer, "Drunk Blue".

    When asked why beer, the researchers involved explained that it was both plentiful and "what else would you use Blue for?".

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  5. The first test has commenced... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Can it survive with the Slashdot effect?

  6. hey wait a sec! by MoceanWorker · · Score: 5, Funny

    imagine a beowulf clu... err.. wait.. dammit..

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    1. Re:hey wait a sec! by Guppy06 · · Score: 5, Funny

      "imagine a beowulf clu... err.. wait.. dammit.."

      Damn, someone beat me to it. I guess I'll just have to go with:

      All your computers are belong to Canada.

      But that's just so last year...

  7. ChemEx(TM) by MacAndrew · · Score: 5, Funny

    For when you absolutely, positively need that chemistry problem solved by the next day.

  8. As this will asked anyway, from the FAQ by jukal · · Score: 5, Informative
    "Why didn't they just make a client program for distributed computing so the entire country/world could help out?" (From a Slashdot posting.)

    First, we had to keep CISS-1 simple enough for us to manage. Second, the computational chemistry application has significant resource requirements (e.g., large memory, significant disk space, etc.). Third, we are not interested in "cycle stealing" for CISS-1; the machines that we use will be dedicated to the task at hand. The rest of the FAQ is here.

    *** and now to the commercials, for the final time, here is an analysis of the Slashdot effect.

    1. Re:As this will asked anyway, from the FAQ by jukal · · Score: 3, Informative
      Because of the complexity of the molecules, the energy needs to be calculated at many thousand points. Each point may require several hours of computing time on a modern workstation. In computational terms, this is an ideal parallel problem which can be distributed onto as many processors as points needed and is therefore ideally suited for the CISS Experiment

      Yes, security (and data/result integrity) is probably one of the main reasons why they want it to be run in a trusted enviroment. Otherwise it seems that this would be a good case for a massively distributed solution (although apparently the application required big amounts of memory, and maybe bandwidth). But the dataintegrity in non-trusted network probably makes it impossible. I don't know if anyone has come up with a good solution to overcome the dataintegrity problems - other than performing occasional checks (running the same task on multiple machines) to find the forged results. In a non-trusted environment, you might soon find a big percent of the cpu cycles used just for dataintegrity checks.

    2. Re:As this will asked anyway, from the FAQ by jukal · · Score: 5, Informative
      SETI currently does integrity checks by having the same unit calculated several times then taking the most common result..

      Yes, and imagine the case of the distributed crypto-crack efforts such as those run by distributed.net and by us too for the rc5-56 challenge (the cyberian.org effort). Imagine, that someone fakes the results for just the keyspace, which contained the correct key - and that this forged result passes the controls. Now, as result the progress counter might reach 100% and you still did not find the correct key. The only solution would be to calculate the whole keyspace again. I mean, even if you check the integrity - calculate same task for 10 times for example - still, it is possible that the forge gets through. Ofcourse, there is a number of counter actions to make the forging harder but still, I think the key problem is still unanswered. Or, if someone has some good fresh pointers about this subject, please post them here :)

  9. In Other News... by Quaoar · · Score: 5, Funny

    Canada is clustering all of their fishing ships to create the most powerful Canadian navy yet.

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    1. Re:In Other News... by ergo98 · · Score: 5, Informative

      While it's fun to joke about Canada, it should be noted that when it's actually needed (i.e. not against a bunch of two bit little shithole nations, or just to continue to push a military-export policy) Canada quickly becomes a military powerhouse.

      "The Canadian Navy began the Second World War with half a dozen vessels and ended up policing nearly half of the Atlantic against U-boat attack. More than 120 Canadian warships participated in the Normandy landings, during which 15,000 Canadian Soldiers went ashore on D-Day alone. Canada finished the War with the World's 3rd largest Navy and the fourth largest Air Force. The world thanked Canada with the same sublime indifference as it had in previous times.......In film, Hollywood abandoned the notion of a separate Canadian identity"

    2. Re:In Other News... by ergo98 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      With all due respect, and I'm a Canadian and I have served in our nation's armed forces, I think this is past tense. The logic of keeping piles of generals handy to suddenly recruit and train a whack of soldiers is kind of broken, given the nature of modern conflicts.

      Not sure if I agree with that. Real conflict still generally build up over time. Even for the Iraq situation the US took quite a few months (a year?) to build up its forces surrounding Iraq before it began the offensive.

      The constant criticism of the Canadian military, and calls for multi-billion dollar budget increases, might have some of its roots in the arms industry- An industry that wants to make us believe that we need loads of high tech equipment to sit rotting in warehouses, ready for multi-billion dollar upgrades 5 years down the road. Military equipment comes at a cost to social programs, healthcare, etc, or alternately higher taxes. Our individual soldiers are paid quite well (I was surprized when a friend recently joined to see the pay rates), have fantastic personal equipment and good bases.

      While we hear constant cries about the "dangerous new world", the reality is that the classic militarism of yesteryear is a bygone thing: The US has nominated itself, and achieved by default, global policeman. Though this role is costly to her, it was a self-pursued role, and comes with a healthy bonus of being able to promote and pursue her own self-interests. Of course, simpleton morons like Pat Buchanan would try to cast such a role not as a self-serving role, but as a role which we should all send a cheque in the mail.

      I *wish* we could actually help out some of the places that really need help right now. But we can't even keep a thousand guys in Afghanistan for a year, let alone buy those guys some appropriate camouflage fatigues in a timely fashion. And don't get me started on the Sea King or its replacements....

      I think the camouflage issue was more of a political red herring: There isn't an armed forces on the planet, except perhaps the US, that has camo for every possible battlefield situation. The Afghan conflict came up just as a prior batch was destroyed and the new batch was on order. It happens. Personally I think, given the nature of the military, that some of the elite teams showed true military gumption and they quite literally made their own, creating some of the best camo possible. The Sea King is indeed an unfortunate reality, but again compared with the acquisition of a fleet of modern subs, missile frigates, and cormorant helicopters, it's amazing how much attention the Sea King garners. Again, take a close look at the $ vested interests who are looking at lining up at the trough.

      We are a relatively small country, and the simple reality is that our military will always pale aside the US', just as the military of every other NATO countries does. I'm perfectly fine with that. We went into Afghanistan with troops that were perfect for the non-conventional modern warfare (i.e. snipers), did a great job, and got out after the situation had pretty much settled. Actually the causative factor for us leaving Afghanistan was probably the death of 4 soldiers by friendly fire: Given that the conflict was pretty much resolved, such a needless loss couldn't be repeated.

  10. For One Day? by Anenga · · Score: 5, Funny
    Most Powerful Computer in Canada - for a Day
    Oh, give them more credit than that. It takes more than one day for "the fastest computer" to be obsolete. Maybe a month, or two.
  11. Re:"Most powerful computer in Canada" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ah yes, good old-fashioned Canada bashing. It seems to be the American national sport these days doesn't it? Ever heard of Steven Cook (the guy who originated the concept of NP-completeness, FYI)? He's at the university of Toronto. Or how about Jack Edmonds (you've probably never heard of the Edmonds-Karp algorithm either). He's at University of Waterloo. I could go on, but why waste my breath. Granted, Canadians are waaay too smug about not being American, but fools like you give them a reason to be.

  12. UNB Represent! :) by Space+Coyote · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... Actually this means I'll have to wait an extra day to work on my project for my distributed / parallel computing course. So this experiment also gets to help me procrastinate :)

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  13. CANADA! by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 5, Funny

    First the alarming lead in Zamboni technology, now this!!

  14. Re:Computing in Canada by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 4, Funny

    The government of canada has some very powerfull supercomputers used for weather.

    I don't think it takes a supercomputer to predict the weather in Canada .

  15. IT'S RUNNING NOW!! by spoonist · · Score: 4, Funny

    The site appears to be solidly withstanding a thorough and complete slashdotting!! The only rational explanation is that the most powerful computer in Canadia is running their web site right now! As they say in French-Canadian, c'est incredible.

  16. Ah, the memories by morcheeba · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hmph. I remember back in January of '98 when I had the most powerful computer in Canada! Just me, my laptop, some cold soup from a can, and some candles...

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  17. Re:Computing in Canada by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yeah, yeah. This is only funny to those who don't live in Canada, of course.

    That would be.... let's see .... 99.5% of the world's population?

  18. Wait just a gosh-darn minute here by ottffssent · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If it's going to solve in a day what would otherwise take 6 years, it has to be almost 2200 times as powerful as their baseline. With 18 universities cooperating, that's about 120 times the baseline provided by each uni. From the article: "The University [one of the 18] will have 108 computer processors helping work on the problem." So, their baseline is a slow single-processor machine - who thinks that's anywhere near a fair comparison? Wow, we built a cluster! And it's lots faster than a single-processor machine! Never would have guessed!

    So they've got 2000 processors working on this problem. Probably about as much horsepower as 1000 recent CPUs, or 250 U of rackspace. About 7 racks full of 1U systems with 4 Athlons in 'em. A million dollars would easily cover that, and if you stick it in northern Canada, you get cold clean air for free so the ongoing costs would be much less as well.

    What I'm getting at is that I'm not real impressed, either with the article or with the project. If they spent more than 3 weeks organizing this, it would have been faster to just have one uni run the simulation in-house.

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  19. Fantasy and Reality.. by hackwrench · · Score: 3, Funny

    Wil Wheaton is an actor. Wesley Crusher is a fictional character...
    In other news, Canada, its ego buoyed by its success in the computing arena, declares war on the rest of the world, citing the rest of the worlds "blatant inferiority".

  20. ...a thought... by SubtleNuance · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Someone should write a General Distributed Comuptation client (ala seti@home or TivoCrack) screensaver and make a 'pseudo-cluster' out of all the Computers Lab/Office PeeCees...

    A group of some kind could be created to provide access / approval of proposed usages etc etc and it would create a new massive-computation resource... of some kind... just a thought.

  21. Re:"Most powerful computer in Canada" by RestiffBard · · Score: 3, Insightful

    hey, no canada bashing here.

    mad props to Canada. all the time.

    we kid because we love.

    I mean really Canada is just about the only place on Earth an American can visit without fear of being blown up, kidnapped, or er.. blown up.

    lived in Canada for a month. best people on Earth. talk funny though. and you folks do say "eh" alot. don't deny it. you do. I heard "eh" roughly 40 times in one 10 minute conversation.

    it just sounds funny. love you anyway.

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