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Jedi Archives In Dublin Library?
bill_gates_jnr writes "When Attack of the clones came out many Dubliners thought that the Jedi Archives looked similar to a landmark in Dublin, the Long Room in Trinity College Dublin. The library administrator of TCD, Robin Adams has story written a letter to Lucasfilms suggesting the company should acknowledge a debt to the original architect Thomas Burgh. " I was in the Long Room a few years ago - it's a gorgeous room. But while we're acknowledge debts, perhaps Lucas can also acknowledge a more significant debt.
The Long Room in Trinity College Dublin. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.
Hemos, what other debt are you speaking of? I looked at the article you linked to, but couldn't find anything about Lucas.
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I agree with the observation, but to Lucas' credit (grr, I hate crediting Lucas with anything) he has, indeed, stated his debt to Kurosawa many times.
"This is not the library you are looking for. Move along."
Everyone will start to cheer when you put on your sailin' shoes.
I've felt a great disturbance in the force...
Like a million hits on a web server that cried out in pain and was suddenly silenced.
For bibliophiles, this room is right up there with the old reading room at the British Museum or the Library of Congress' reading room.
the major advances in civilization are processes which all but wreck the societies in which they occur - A.N. White
A few more photos that aren't slashdotted. [yet]
Talk about the quitessential library. I bet it's the most photographed library in Ireland.
it's not going to stop until you wise up, no it's not going to stop. so just give up.
From March 13, 2002. Has some (currently) not /.ed pics too.
Another story (three or four links deep from the above links) here, and the Google cache here.
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good job slashdotting the picture of the Long Room! Ireland's getting SLAMMED !!
Now that Ireland has no more net access, perhaps they could do something different, such as go for drinks or have a large fight at a soccer game.
Trolling is a art,
After all, the AT&T logo looks like the DeathStar...
The descendants of Edison because of similarities between the saber and the common light bulb, the Ford corporation for Lucas' use of the flying car, and Ziggy Marley for George's obvious portrayal of his dad Bob.
I'll form my OWN solar system! With blackjack! And hookers!
I believe everything I do, say, write or output in any other form is a combination what I have noticed around me before. So, should I, in the end of this comment post the list of everything that has given me input and therefore affected the content of this comment, including the numerous typing errors :) Some individuals might be able to output a higher percentage of unique content - but atleast in my case 99.999% is combinations of previous observations. To begin with, I would like to give credit to my father, mother and the midwife who helped me get outa there. Or maybe, the credits list should start earlier, maybe I should give credit to the authors of the music pieces which I heard while in the womb. I don't intend to troll, but I would like to argue that about nothing is unique.
the hardcore fans are all geeks!
Anything you say will be held against you.
Furthermore, what kind of credit is expected? Few sets, digital or physical, are created ab novo. Need there be an attribution for every filmed space that was inspired by another? Should this be limited to notable public buildings or to parks too? Should I hound the film major who set a scene in what looks remarkably like my old apartment's living room in which he once got drunk?
Did Lucas Film "rip off" that library? Who knows. Certainly enough other library rooms look like it, need they all get plaques? Indeed I used to live down the street from a former fire station in Boston that was notable for having its hose-drying tower built like a Venetian campanile. When that was built it started a trend of lots of other fire stations being built soon thereafter looking similar - should all of them put up plaques attributing their inspiration?
Extending "Trade Dress" to spaces - Feh.
I don't read ACs: If a post isn't worth so much as a nom de plume to its author then I wont bother either.
-dB
"It if was easy to do, we'd find someone cheaper than you to do it."
*waves hand thru air*
We did not clone the Dublin Libraries for the movie, and no we do not have overdue late charges on "Scottish Clans and Tartans".
--"The perfect example of the man of action is the suicide." - William Carlos Williams
quoting from the "begind the scenes" section of the star wars databank on the jedi archives:
The stately architecture and vaulted ceilings of the Jedi Archives Room were inspired by a variety of real-world libraries, including the Vatican and those found in old English estates. A bare minimum of the set was constructed -- only Kenobi's immediate work area and several busts were constructed. The majority of the scenery -- the rows and rows of holobooks and high ceilings -- were realized as miniatures.
so if any inspiration came from dublin, it wasn't in full...
Both of them stole from Mimas, one of Saturn's moons!
Image.
Throw a Dangerfield to save the princess? No respect at all. No respect I tell ya.
Yes, if I duplicate your stuff almost exactly and hurt your business, then copyright should kick in. However:
- Set designers need to build sets based on existing architecture.
- Cartoonists should be able to draw an eyeball even if they saw other green eyeballs in the 60's. [back on that discussion, Blizzard could say both groups stole it from their Warcraft 2 'Eye of Kilrog']
- Musicians should be able to use any set of notes, not worrying that a particular set of 4 notes will get them in copyright issues.
- Any other creative art (programming, artistry, city planning, construction, &c.) requires the use of elements that are used elsewhere, or that may have been discovered by someone else for the same purpose.
Or in summary: All great works are based upon the works that came before, and while credit is always appropriate, unless there is some actual harm done in the use, there should never be talks of lawsuits or licensing or copyright violations.Frob.
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"Then why does GL need to give them credit?"
They don't need to. This wouldn't have come up if a.) SW II wasn't a huge movie and b.) GL didn't have 3 cubic acres of money.
I'm pretty sure the credits in Independence Day didn't include the architect of the White House.
Ep 6 was filmed in the jungles of Guatemala - when the government found it out, they were quite upset, and tried to get them to credit the location (the jungle forests are quite beautiful, too), so now they have ironclad restrictions on filming in Guatemala.
Inconceivable!
Go ahead, mod me down. That alone will be far more interesting than this wee SlashBit.
"A microprocessor... is a terrible thing to waste." --
GeneralEmergency
Lawrence Lessig, in his keynote presentation made on July 24, 2002 at oscon, repeatedly made the four point argument:
He made this argument while arguing against lengthy copyright terms, but I think the first point applies here: any creative work, such as Star Wars, builds upon the library of existing human work. It's nearly pointless to try to credit every single contributor to that existing compendium of knowledge. I guess it's a judgement call of when you should give credit, but this one feels ok to leave out, to me. (And the actual library will be a trivia factoid for years to come, this way.)
The reason I personally disliked that scene in Episode 2 is that it took place in a physical library at all, instead of being a four second web search. Kenobi doesn't Yahoo, apparently.
You have to ask the question though... Were the makers of Star Wars II even aware of this room? I wasn't, I also don't remember it from the film. But I can say that if I was going to have some grand library it would have looked like this one. It's what a lot of libraries look like and just the typical image of a grand library. The same goes for many other things. Just because you see a similarity in something doesn't mean there is, or that it copied it from something else. There are only so many original ideas in the world, everything else is a modification of an original idea. We go through life and bit things up from everywhere. If your the writer of something there is no way you could know if something you think of was truely something new to you or draw some some moment in your life. No one can remeber how every idea in their mind got there. The makers of Star wars very well could have just invisioned a library and this is what they got. Then someone around the world makes a connection and thinks they are making a rip off. There are so many things in the world. No one is aware of everything. Two people thinking of the same thing at the same time in the world happens all the time. Look at patent disputs. If enough people watched this film and tried to find similarities they would be able to say the makers ripped off the whole world. This goes for music , writtings, machines everything. There are only so many ways people are going to do things. and the good way have all probly been done. People make what people like so you get similarities, people arn't trying to rip people off or even aware of it. It just happens.
Now if the producers said "yeah we got the idea from the long room" then there probably should be credit givin.
people need to stop thinking everyone is just ripping other people off. It happens, you can't expect everyone to be aware of everything out there. your going to get copies.
"IV, V and VI are NOT nearly as good from a visual point of view as I, II and very likely III are. Not even close."
Whoah I strongly disagree. With 4, 5, and 6, you knew what was going on. You knew who the good guys were and who the bad guys were. You knew who to feel sorrow for when the fell.
4, 5, and 6 may have had primitive effects, but the story telling was much better. In Episode II, people had no idea who the good guys were and who the bad guys were. It was clearer in Episode I, but they failed to make the audience emote. Nobody cared about the Gungans. Nobody cared about the Naboo pilots. Nobody was made to feel like they should care who wins.
The effects in the recent movies may be ahead technologically, but the lack of good storytelling with those effects ruined the movie's ability to make good use of those shots. Sorry, the VFX was better in the 4, 5, and 6 simply because the audience reacted to them.
Quick Victoria Building in Sydney.
The Cleveland Arcade
Etc. I'm sure there are many more, but this is not in any way a unique architectural style that was used.
What?
If you hated the love scenes as much as I did, go check out the IMAX version of AOTC. This isn't just a 35mm print on an IMAX screen, they've digitally whizz-banged it up to cover all 7(8) stories!
Cut were several love scenes, most of Jar-Jar's dialog, and Jimmy Smits' entire role, save for a cameo at the very end of the movie. It's almost like Lucas did a Phantom Edit all by his lonesome, although we really know it was to fit into IMAX's scheduling.
Endless arguments over trivial contradictions in books written by ignorant savages to explain thunder in the dark.