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Report from the ACM DRM Workshop

Anonymous Coward writes "There's open skepticism from researchers about the ability of DRM to solve Hollywood's copy protection problems. Read Edward Felten's review here... Papers from the workshop are available online as well."

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  1. That is NOT the text by SeanTobin · · Score: 5, Informative

    The text from the article says:

    Proposals for systems involving mandatory watermark detection in rendering devices try to impact the effectiveness of [file sharing systems].... In addition to severe commercial and social problems, these schemes suffer from several technical deficiencies, which, in the presence of an effective [file sharing system], lead to their complete collapse. We conclude that such schemes are doomed to failure.

    Note, the article actually says that the watermarking is doomed to failure... not p2p. I've got no idea where on earth you got that text, but its not correct.

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  2. Re:Watermarking by Camulus · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is a good reason to support Congressman Boucher and the Digital Choice and Freedom Act of 2002. They are trying to actually get fair rights usage on the law books, not just as court case precidents (esp. since the DMCA stripped a lot of our rights away and this takes some back). It is not slated to appear this congressional session. However, it never hurts to start calling your Reps and asking them to sponsor the bill.

    Info on the bill

    /end paranoid sounding political rant

  3. Just in case anyone else has problems with this by A+Cheese+Danish · · Score: 1, Informative

    The article about CD-Audio watermarking (which is a very good read) is in GhostScript format.

    Just in case you don't have the ability to read it, you can get the viewer program by following the instructions here and here.

    This might be redundant, but I didn't have it on my Windows machine, and the article was really worth the trouble to find it. Figured I'd save others the headache...unless I'm the only one here who didn't have it.

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  4. The intention of DRM by Superfreaker · · Score: 5, Informative

    I am developing a DRM solution for a major record label. I am a loving slashdot poster and feel the same as all of you. But the client wanted it and I had to oblige or not get the contratc.

    I had to implement Windows DRM on Windows Audio files. The Windows DRM server is a mess. With no support, incomplete and documentation that flat out LIES. They LIE repeatedly through the documentation, or they simply make statements in one instance that directly conflict with others. FYI, the windows development community is outstanding. There are tons of free apps and sample code. This is the first time I've ever had to rely soley on MS for support as there is no community for DRM. It was a horrible experience.

    With all of that aside, I did get it built. The record companies know how well DRM works, especially on .wma files. I had the same opinions of the recording industry as many of you. Like "they are dumb, they should be doing..." What you (and I) don't realize, is that they have access to much more information than we do. They DO know everything. They DO have their reasons for their implementation.s They have thought it out.

    They don't care if DRM only partially works. That is all it needs to do. With the low costs of distribution, they can model the risk/reward, profit/loss easily. Volume is the key in the recording industry.

    Many people WILL buy the albums/songs regardless if the technology can be circumvented. ANY technology on any platform has their open flaws, this is just another. As we all do, they play the %'s.

    My $.02, it may not mean much, but I have seen it all in a new light.

  5. Re:The problem with DRM: unimaginative Hollywood. by eddy · · Score: 2, Informative

    why aren't they trying to build a new special-purpose media device with the decryption method in hardware and the case sealed?

    You mean like the Micro Music Clip Players? :-)

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  6. The most important thing... by pridkett · · Score: 3, Informative

    that I got out of the papers so far, is that if I want to rip copy protected audio CDs, I'll get a plextor drive and use CD Paranoia (see this paper for more information).

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  7. Re:'Bout time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Of course, recordings of performances of those works are protected by copyright even though the original manuscript score and direct copies thereof are in the public domain. A new printing with modern notation or annotation would constitute a work worthy of copyright, though. Works in the public domain have no GPL on them :-)

  8. Digital Video Outputs.... by siskbc · · Score: 3, Informative

    ...will kill any attempt for DRM. DRM stops being effective at the component output level. But at the point where it has to pass a digital signal, DRM loses. So my computer won't let me access the section of memory with the "movie," fine. I'll just use two computers. One has a "movie" I can't touch, but ultimately I can get my hands on the digital video feed from my vid card and the digital sound feed from my sound card. How hard is it to then have a second computer, with the sound feed going into the "line in" and the digital video feed going into a video capture card? Then just splice the sound and video together. And since the pirating scene depends on really a few groups, soon after release on DVD a big MPEG will go up, DRM or no, in near-DVD quality. So I don't know who they're fooling.

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    1. Re:Digital Video Outputs.... by fandelem · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm sorry, but do you think Microsoft and other big DRM investing companies haven't thought about this? Get real.

      Just one of many links can be found here: http://www6.tomshardware.com/mobile/02q2/020419/ju keboxIII-08.html which explains Creative Labs (a huge Sound Card maker) starting to incorporate DRM into their products.

      Sure, you can use your old sound cards. Until they expire. By that time, all sound cards will have DRM in them. If you find a manufacturer that doesn't put DRM in, it will be illegal. So it goes.

      Trust me, they have thought about a bunch of angles on this. Even all video cards are going to support DRM eventually.

      Though my roommate (the capitalist) begs to differ, proclaiming that in a capitalist society, someone will find a way to sell non-DRM products.. but if nothing else works with them.. how effective will they really be?

      cheers,

      k.

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  9. Re:hmmm by kungfuBreaks · · Score: 2, Informative

    Sure, maybe you won't make another LOTR, but you might make Pi, which was one of the best sci-fi movies of the 90s IMO. There are some really good independently produced movies out there, many of which are anything but 'clunky-but-adorable'.

  10. Re:Watermarking by ealar+dlanvuli · · Score: 3, Informative

    I would recomend sending a professinaly writen *snail mail* about this bill. I have always found I get personal letters when I do so.

    Make sure you play the "partyline" and "supporting my views" somewhere in your letter. It also doesn't hurt to explain how copyright works (my old congresscriter actually didn't really have a firm grasp if I am to judge by his first reply to a mailing) and why it is important to protect the public domain or abolish copyright.

    Partline arguments:
    R=increased goverment rights given at the expense of the citizens inherent right to copy in an effort to protect a buisness model.
    D=increased corperate control given at the expense of the consumer in an effort to save a failing buisness model.

    It also helps not to use the words "failing buisness model" if you don't have the qualifications to make that statment. Just be honest and clear (at most 4 paragraphs, a strong thesis and a clear closing)

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