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University of Twente NOC Fire Arson

Lars writes "A 26-year old man from Hengelo has admitted to deliberately setting fire to the Network Operations Centre of University of Twente, last Wednesday. The fire gutted two wings of the building and devastated one of the fastest networks in Europe. The arsonist is an employee of the University, which must come as quite a shock to those involved. The University released a short statement to the press. It mentions that the total damage caused is roughly 40-50 million euros (about the same in dollars) and that the guy was caught last Friday, when he tried to set fire to one of the faculty buildings."

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  1. Umm... by GeckoFood · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Wouldn't going on strike have been a little more effective than burning down the office?

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    1. Re:Umm... by El+Pollo+Loco · · Score: 5, Funny

      Not really. His boss probably stole his stapler.

    2. Re:Umm... by Mr+Guy · · Score: 3, Funny

      I sure hope that doesn't spread to the US.

      Think of the money insurances companies would lose on permanent disability in San Fran ALONE.

  2. Punishment by Mr+Guy · · Score: 4, Funny

    The Stake, obviously.

    I guess those Euro's don't go for that sort of thing though, do they?

  3. wow.. by 3.5+stripes · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now that's a dedicated luddite.

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  4. In English by sql*kitten · · Score: 5, Informative

    The arsonist is an employee of the University, which must come as quite a shock to those involved. The University released a short statement to the press

    English text here.

  5. I guess.... by Fapestniegd · · Score: 3, Funny

    They should have let him keep his red Swingline Stapler...

    1. Re:I guess.... by McFly69 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Here is a link to the movie you are refering to.

      Somethign tells me this guy who burnt the place down, will not go to the tropics to meet woman. Instead he is going to prison and meet Bubba; the A$$ Plow.

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    2. Re:I guess.... by Traa · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This happened in The Netherlands. He will be judged by a single judge, no jury. Having full access to lawyers who are not capable of making any money out of this beyond their reasonable salary. He will maybe even go to prison (not that likely though). Single person in a room. 4 Nice painted walls, a door with a friendly window. TV in the room. Possibly a window for a decent view of the outside world. 3 Good meals a day. Sports facilities and libraries. Guards without guns. Lots of therapeutic little jobs....so he doesn't f&^%#ng hate society when he gets out next month!

      My name is Dam Backer. I am from The Netherlands and I switched to the US 6 years ago.

      (all of the above might not be perfectly accurate, but it schetches an idea of the philosophy of the Dutch punishment system)

    3. Re:I guess.... by Aapje · · Score: 5, Informative

      I wanted to point out that more complex trials are handled by three judges instead of one (I'm not sure about the exact rules on that matter). The punishment will probably depend a lot on his past criminal record, motivation & current regret/willingness to be treated. In the best case it might be low (community service). It has been proven that (more) jail-time will increase the chance of someone becoming a repeat offender, so we try to reduce jail-time in favor of more educational approaches (and reduce the load on our jails + save money).

      I also want to point out that judges aren't elected, so they aren't forced to punish harder to appease the people* that believe the "Crime is increasing"-mantra that the media like to perpetrate (and have for hundreds of years. They complained about it during roman times and ever since.).

      *True democracy is the average man deciding who is smart enough to govern them. It's not the average man making decisions on complex matters which they cannot (be expected to) understand in detail. The people should choose the goals and judge the elected men and women on the results they achieve. Politicians should be allowed to try and achieve these goals with a coherent set of decisions. That's why I don't like these micro-management elections or referenda for that matter. </rant> Sorry, had to get that off my chest.

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  6. Security.debian.org / Disaster recovery by ccoder · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A few non - european services were affected as well - namely ALL security updates for Debain (the primary mirror anyhow) were offline for a while.

    Brings up a good point in disaster recovery: How many organizations have machines at various places that they can't recover from a total loss?

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  7. For those none too fluent in dutch: by Mac+Degger · · Score: 5, Informative

    The article basically says: he dun-it and he's an employee. What it doesn't say is why he dun-it, though.

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  8. How's he gonna repay it? by Joshuah · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I mean, he's 26. He now owes the university and several companies 40-50 Million Euros (dollars). Its just arson so thats what 3-5 years. To me, thats way to easy to get off. Even if he makes $50k after taxes, it will take him 800 years to pay off 40million. Thats just messed up.

    So, this guy gets out when he is 30yrs old, can find a job and move on with his life looking for more buildings to burn down. isnt there something wrong with that?

    1. Re:How's he gonna repay it? by krray · · Score: 5, Funny

      I wonder if we could get him a job over at that place in Redmond?

    2. Re:How's he gonna repay it? by Zathrus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So, this guy gets out when he is 30yrs old, can find a job and move on with his life looking for more buildings to burn down. isnt there something wrong with that?

      Well, presumably he'd be required to disclose his conviction to potential employers. I sure wouldn't hire him at that point - if he's a disgruntled employee then I don't want to hire him and possibly piss him off. If he's a fire bug then I just don't want him around, period. He could not report that he was convicted, but unless he gets an entirely new identity a routine background check will show the conviction. This is why more and more companies are doing background checks now.

      As far as paying back the damages, it's the insurance company that's going to have to suck up the cost of replacement. Yeah, I know - it means everyone who uses that insurerer will have to pay higher premiums for some time. But they're the ones that would have to sue for damages. And they very well may. But getting repaid is obviously not going to happen.

      The idea of debtor's prison is long gone, and for a good reason. The idea was that if you caused material harm then you could be thrown in jail until you repaid the harm. But it's rather difficult to earn money when imprisoned, which leads to a rather vicious circle. Debtors prison was often used to perpetually incarcerate political or business opponents. Let's not even think about bringing it back.

    3. Re:How's he gonna repay it? by SealBeater · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I sure wouldn't hire him at that point

      Whatever happened to having "paid one's debt to society"? Assuming that he
      does in fact, go to jail and serves time, when does the deeds of one's past no
      longer impact who you may be in the future?

      SealBeater

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    4. Re:How's he gonna repay it? by pubjames · · Score: 3, Troll

      So, this guy gets out when he is 30yrs old, can find a job and move on with his life looking for more buildings to burn down. isnt there something wrong with that?

      You're right! 40 million Euros is too much for him to ever pay back! Let's kill him! Yeah! I'll start the chant! Kill him! Kill him! Kill him! Come on everyone, join in! Kill him! Kill him! Kill him! Those Euro weenies will probably just say he's mentally unstable or something, and give him a few years in jail and a nice psychologist to talk to. Losers! Kill him! Kill him!...

  9. Obligatory Simpsons Quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ralph: "That's where I saw the Leprechaun. He tells me to burn things!"

    Leprachaun: "You've done grand, laddie! Now ya know what ya have ta do! Burn the house down! Burn 'em all!"

  10. Hhhmmm by solostring · · Score: 4, Funny

    They obviously didn't have enough firewalls.

    (Sorry... couldnt resist)

  11. Good for him by PhysicsGenius · · Score: 4, Funny

    Information wants to be set on fire.

  12. In English by octover · · Score: 5, Informative
    the press release in English


    Press release Twente Police 25 November 2002


    Confession concerning fire UT


    The 26-year-old man from Hengelo detained on Friday afternoon has confessed that he also started a fire on the grounds of the University of Twente on Wednesday morning 20 November 2002. In this fire two wings of one of the buildings on the grounds were completely destroyed and damages caused of between 40 and 50 million euro.
    The 26-year old was detained Friday afternoon after witnesses had observed the start of a small fire in another building. On the directions of these witnesses the 26-year old could then be detained.


    On the how and why of the arson on the 20th no further announcements can be made at this moment. The suspect will be undergo further questioning on this.
    We can announce that the 26-year old is an employee of the University of Twente. The University staff has been informed of his confession by now.
    He will be brought before the magistrate in Almelo today.

  13. Re:What matters more? by BusterB · · Score: 3, Informative

    I believe that a lot of imporant free software sites were hosted by this university. Hence, its relevance here.

  14. DOS attack by borft · · Score: 5, Informative

    Stupid idiots.... the whole infrastructure was burnt down, and we're trying to rebuild it as quickly as possible. Meanwhile, www.utwente.nl is used as a central point of information towards students and employees. Which n00b put the link on slashdot, _AGAIN_? Thanks for ruining our just revived webserver, thanks for nothing!

    1. Re:DOS attack by Christianfreak · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Oh that would be great. We complain on /. that companies sue over deep linking but now you want to sue Slashdot because they linked to someone who has a page on the public internet. The parent post is a troll, if they don't want to have people coming to their website then they should block access to it.

  15. gotta love online translators by greechneb · · Score: 4, Funny

    (25-11 1345) Plead guilty within prickly UT Politiepersbericht Plead guilty within prickly UT ( university Twente ) Enschede: The vrijdagmiddag jl. aangehouden jr. spouse out of Fishing rod , has zondagavond well-known who he too the prickly has institution in the field of the University Twente worn woensdagmorgen 20 November jl. Towards this prickly went two wings with one with the buildings worn the shunting yard wholly ruin and went one pity raise with between the 40 and 50 million European currency. The jr. wax vrijdagmiddag aangehouden after through give evidence wax seen who towards one other edifice worn the Universiteitsterrein one young prickly wax sping up. Worn pointer with this give evidence might the jr. subsequently turn aangehouden. Via the the and why with the incendiarism worn the 20e November jl , may worn this one moment not one draw near information turn given. The suspect will about this yet nearer turn hearing. Well-being pitcher turn medegedeeld who the jr. one cooperator is with the University Twente. The personnel worn the University Twente is yet worn the altitude brought with one's plead guilty. Today is being he pre-gummed towards the master - superintendant within Almelo.

    Can anybody make more sense of this more than the original?

  16. No love for the NOC this month by mcneight · · Score: 5, Funny

    First a massive fire, now a thorough slashdotting. What's next, Mecha-Striesand?

  17. Others were affected too by Klerck · · Score: 4, Interesting

    According to the mIRC home page, their message boards and mailing lists were destroyed in the fire as well. It appears to have affected a large number of people.

  18. I (almost) hate to say it... by TheConfusedOne · · Score: 4, Funny

    It turns out it wasn't arson, but merely a misunderstanding.

    They asked him to install the new "firewall"...

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    1. Re:I (almost) hate to say it... by Stevis · · Score: 3, Funny

      "I told him to install a firewall!"
      "I heard, 'Make a big fire ball!'"

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  19. Translation of the Statement by StefMeister · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here's a summary of the statement in English (from Dutch):
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    A 26-year old man from Hengelo admitted sunday evening that he started a fire on wednesday 20th of November that incinerated 2 wings of the University of Twente building.

    He was arrested after witnesses saw him at another small fire on campus.

    Police can make no statements about why and how he did it. However the police confirms that he works at the University.
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  20. Silly man - now he'll go from by SweenyTod · · Score: 3, Funny

    an o to a O.

    o - arse before jail
    O - arse after jail.

    :)

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  21. Is a happy employee ... by burgburgburg · · Score: 5, Funny

    gruntled?

  22. The Real Enemy... by airrage · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In talking with a Disaster Recovery, quote EXPERT unquote, he said a little fact that quite surprised me: 62% of all technology disasters are premeditated by disgruntled employees, honest administrative mistakes, or lack of change control procedures. We build our moats around the castle, but we never think to install smoke alarms in the kitchen!?!?

    If I don't post again before Thanksgiving, Happy Turkey day ya'll.

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    1. Re:The Real Enemy... by mseeger · · Score: 4, Funny
      Hi,

      it's a well know fact, that the worst enemy of all (high) availability resides on OSI layer 8. I think 62% is a pretty low number, the reality is higher. In all cases where the unlucky bastards manages to cover his tracks, technology will take the blame. Other than the people involved it doesn't argue about it.

      Yours, Martin

  23. University is also to blame by photonic · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You guy's are really considerate: fire destroys network, they do all their best to get it somewhat back to work and then you slashdot it back into oblivion.

    Though the arsonist takes a huge part of the blame, i think the university also made some faults. Why put your servers in a building that burns that well? If you have so much expensive equipment, you should consider everything, including arson! A few days ago they were happy that no asbestos was released because it was removed shortly ago. But isn't asbestos a fire retarder??

    Anyhow this fire is a huge problem for the university. When i was studying there 2 years ago, their biggest trouble was the financing of new buildings. They were supposed to build a new combined building for Physics, Electronics and Chemistry. When the drawings were almost finished they had to scap the whole thing. Right now several buildings are way beyond their lifetime and could technically be shut down to regulations any moment. Most buildings are already extended with temporary containers (Portacabins). And now this..... If they were a company this would certainly be their bankruptcy.

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    1. Re:University is also to blame by BorgDrone · · Score: 4, Informative

      Why put your servers in a building that burns that well?

      They were already planning a new NOC, which should have become operational in a couple of months.

    2. Re:University is also to blame by bartjan · · Score: 4, Informative

      You guy's are really considerate: fire destroys network, they do all their best to get it somewhat back to work and then you slashdot it back into oblivion.

      Don't worry about that. The temporary www.utwente.nl website is hosted at a temporary site just across the street (but it sits at the same subnet as some of our own servers, never had a /. effect that nearby....)

      Though the arsonist takes a huge part of the blame, i think the university also made some faults. Why put your servers in a building that burns that well? If you have so much expensive equipment, you should consider everything, including arson! A few days ago they were happy that no asbestos was released because it was removed shortly ago. But isn't asbestos a fire retarder??

      I think it's partly because of historical reasons. The building was built in 1974 and even back then it was already called the TW/RC building because it came with a computer room.

      I believe the University is assured against fire, but I'm afraid that these researchers who lost years of their research in the flames have no other option that to do it all again :(

    3. Re:University is also to blame by photonic · · Score: 3, Funny
      I believe the University is assured against fire

      I hope you mean insured against fire (=verzekerd tegen) instead of assured of fire (=verzekerd van)

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    4. Re:University is also to blame by Sabalon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yup...that is the reason I like working at the university I work at - the infinite funds to spend to do everything 100% right!!!

  24. But what kind of prison? by Codex+The+Sloth · · Score: 3, Funny

    Instead he is going to prison and meet Bubba; the A$$ Plow.

    Federal "pound me in the ass" prison!

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  25. New punishment for destorying NOCs... by stienman · · Score: 4, Funny

    Let's develop a manual, GUI router software.

    The PC has 2 or more network cards, and one program on the system. The only interface is a mouse.

    The delinquent sees as many windows on the screen as there are NICs in the computer. They manually route packets by identifying a packet header in hex in the window, and dragging that packet from the window it's coming from to the window it should be routed to.

    They would be checked by an automatic router in operation in the background, and would be given further punishment if they route packets incorrectly.

    Their sentence term would simply be to route as many packets as were lost due to their actions.

    -Adam

  26. Re:Scotty pages still up by Rukapul · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually those servers are located in the Computer Science building, which means that they would also be gone if the arrested man succeded on Friday when he also tried to set the Computer Science buildin in fire! Just the fact that somebody (my co-worker) saw this man close to a small fire in the stairway of the Computer science building on Friday, caused that man to be arrested and the Computer Science building including its servers not to burn down to ashes too.

  27. Re:Prison rape is no joke by McFly69 · · Score: 4, Funny

    PS God loves you and longs for relationship with you.

    I do not think that using that signature was a good idea. People might get the wrong idea about Prisons, rape and God.

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  28. Re:Stony Brook Hired an Arsonist by Bob+McCown · · Score: 3, Funny

    Well, everything is just fine till the lightbulb breaks while wiping....

  29. Probably sectionable... by dackroyd · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Hmm, I wonder if he'll actually be brought to trial or will get judged to be a nutter and sent to a mental hospital.

    When I was at primary school in Colchester(UK) there was a spate of school fires in my area which the police believed to be arson. They got extremely excited when they realised that the headmaster(principal) of my school had visited each of the schools just before the fires. Obviously they questioned him quite closely but then couldn't find any evidence against him, so they started secret surveillance on his movements.

    A couple of days into the surveillance, my school got burnt down completely and what the police saw was another teacher torching the school. Apparently this guy had flipped and he was trying to assasinate the headmaster by burning down any buildings that he visited. Not really the most efficient way of taking someone out, but that's madness for you.

    I'm pretty sure he was judged to be clinically insane and sent away pretty much permanently....

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  30. Re:Quite frankly, NO by DroppedPacket · · Score: 3, Insightful
    What he did (IMO) is wrong

    Let's see, setting a fire and causing millions of dollars/euros in damage is wrong IN YOUR OPINIONWhy on Earth did you need to add the IMO here? Do you think that for some people this is an OK thing to do? Try to get the testicular fortitude to actually say some things are bad or even (God forbid) WRONG!

    The wishy-washy, "Well in my opinion arson is kind of wrong, but I can see how some people feel good about it," thinking is dangerous. It leads to the ascension of those who don't believe in any right and wrong, such as the RIAA.

    (Man, the things that set me off some days...)

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