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Bricklin on Tablet PCs

t482 writes "Dan Bricklin gives his first impressions of the Tablet PC. 'The most important thing to know about the Tablet PC, as far as I'm concerned so far, is that Microsoft did a great job...of naming it.' and then goes on to give a fascinating history of pen computing."

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  1. The biggest problem... by dconder · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem with tablet PCs right now is the battery life. The whole advantage of a tablet PC is it lets you use it on the go, but if you have to plug in every two hours to recharge the batteries, that defeats the purpose.

    I think there are some applications for tablet PCs now, hospitals, etc., but in order for them to reach mainstream-acceptance, they need to tackle the power/battery issue.
    1. Re:The biggest problem... by NetJunkie · · Score: 5, Informative

      I've tested a couple of these for the office. With "extended" batteries most of them can run 8 hours. Not bad at all. Just put it in standby when walking around and you should be good to go all day.

  2. Re:Question... by Banjonardo · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Me.

    Students, people attending any form of lectures, people who want to check their e-mail on the couch, people who want to cruise the web on a coffee shop (so basically the same people who want laptops).

    It's also really, really spiffy. Or maybe I'm just gullible...

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  3. Re:Question... by TheAncientHacker · · Score: 5, Informative

    Anybody who takes notes in meetings, anybody who needs to use a computer without a counter to put it down on. I know I'm seriously in lust.

  4. The REAL first tablet PC by sl+inferis · · Score: 5, Funny

    Tablet PC isn't a new idea is it? Didn't Moses have the first tablet PC? The only application it ran was TenCommandments(R)

    1. Re:The REAL first tablet PC by Tim+Browse · · Score: 5, Funny
      What really happened...

      "How did it go, Moses?"
      "Well...I've got him down to ten, but adultery's still in there."

      Tim

  5. The screens are the right size... by dagg · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That's why the media loves them. And that's why I think I would love it. I don't like my PDA because the screen is too small. I don't like to surf the net on my phone because the screen is too small. I want something that is about the size of a piece of paper. Microsoft did not invent it... but they will get the word out (the bastards).

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  6. Re:Ok so Bill did a good job of naming it... by TheAncientHacker · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually, the list of Microsoft trademarks at http://www.microsoft.com/trademarks/docs/mstmark.r tf does NOT list Tablet. Guess we all didn't know the answer to that one but were just making assumptions with no basis.

  7. Functionality over Internals. by Trusty+Penfold · · Score: 5, Interesting


    My new tablet computer (I got it 2 weeks ago) is so perfect it made me forget it is running XP and I simply haven't had time to try and get Linux running on it.

    It suits my way of working so well that I can't think how I managed before. I don't do my main development on it, I still prefer typing to writing for that. But it allows me to do my email and do lots of design (both development and UI usability) while commuting to work on the train each day [yeah, I know I'll be criticised for being conned into working during personal time, but I'm not stupid - my productivity is higher so I go home early!].

    Back to the internals ... I'm sure when I upgrade, I will try and hack linux onto this thing [perhaps by then there will be video drivers!] but until then I don't want to break it.

  8. Come again? by 10Ghz · · Score: 5, Funny
    A pen-based desktop system that was part of the personal computer world came from Wang in 1988. Called Wang Freestyle...


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  9. Re:Question... by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Where exactly is the market demand for these?"

    Me^3.

    - I'm an artist. I use a tablet to draw with right now. The ability to draw right on the screen would totally rock. Right now Wacom sells LCD tablets that plug into your VGA port, but they're in the $3,500 range.

    - I attend lots of meetings and drag a laptop around with me. I'd prefer a TabletPC so I can jot sketches along with notes. Right now I use paper and a scanner to do this, I'd like to skip the paper step.

    - I wouldn't mind having a Tablet PC around the house. The tablet form factor is much easier to tote around than the 'laptop-that-doesn't-really-sit-well-on-your-lap' approach.

    I don't know if I represent a 'whole big market' or not, but I can tell you that office-life would be easier with them. I'm certain these will start appearing in my office within the next 12 months.

  10. Re:Question... by puto · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hospitals, medical offices.

    Any records that docs might need instead of putting the chart on the door, each doc gets his own and you can send it his patient list, their chart, all the details, ASAP. No need for records to send up the chart. No need for stationary PC.

    A Doc could have all his info point and click.

    Puto

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  11. Take off the 'I hate Microsoft' goggles... by danielrm26 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I actually wasted (I mean 'took') the time to go to a TabletPC launch in Atlanta, and it wasn't half bad. The product concept is in the beginning stages, everyone knows that - even Microsoft. And to those who think they tried to totally steal the idea from the work of others, you need to get a clue. The Microsoft presentation included a fairly detailed history (basically a respectful look back) at the previous products in the genre. They didn't in any way act as if they came up with the idea. Hell, they even gave some props to the Apple product. :)

    Basically, don't be so quick to jump on the 'let's bash MS' bandwagon; it's a bit tired. There are actually some very cool things going on with the TabletPC - it's just that the price and the batterly life are too prohibitive to be taken seriously with this generation (for me and most people I have talked to anyway...).

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  12. Re:Question... by kh0ng · · Score: 5, Insightful
    There was a roadshow of the tablet on our university some days ago. They said the Tablet-PC would open "new markets", since people who usually avoid using computers because of the mouse (Have you ever tried to teach it to you mother? :-) now have a more "natural" way of interfacing with it - the pen. It's also more practical for carrying around than a laptop, since you can use hold it e.g. in your left arm and use the right hand to interface with it.

    They said one of the design goals was that it should be able to do everything that a normal pen-and-pad method can do. That includes the use-with-one-hand from above, but also hot-plugging (so you can always take it out of the docking station and run away...). Some of them can be used as a laptop as well, simply by turning the display around.

    They were pretty nice, and remindet me of the Pads they use in startreck. There are, however, still some useability-problems. The resolution of the EM-Sampler that checks for the pen is not very good at the edges, resulting in a "shaking" mouse cursor when holding the pen still. Another one is the right mouse button - the ones I held in my hands thought you want to press the right button if you didn't move the pen for some time. This resulted in context-menus that popped up when writing slow. Anotherone is the problem of your hand that overlapps some part of the screen when using the pen. Its annoying if menues keep opening right under your hand, so you have to move it away again to see whats on the screen.

    The text recognition was nice, but they mentioned a error-rate of 10-15%, so it's not really very useful, especially when writing fast. My opinion is that it's nice, but still needs some time to get "mature" and really useable.

  13. Re:Question... by Zeinfeld · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Where exactly is the market demand for these?

    If they work really well, huge. If they only sorta work, almost none.

    It is exactly the sort of situation where Microsoft has been able to clean up by making a previously obscure technology mainstream.

    Case in point was powerpoint. I used electronic slides back in the early days when you printed them out onto acetate one a $9000 printer. After Microsoft bundled Powerpoint into Office manufacturers started to make decent LCD projector displays (not the tatty things you stuck on to of an overhead projector).

    The idea of tablet PC is not new, but until now nobody has been able to make it mainstream.

    I strongly suspect that the problems of tablet resolution will be quickly sorted out. They may also be the catalyst for higher resolution displays - resolution as in dots per inch, not dots per screen. There are very few screens with 100dpi resolution, to make handwriting look good you need about 200dpi minimum.

    I suspect that the killer app for these PCs is to have something you can surf the web on while watching tv. After that, taking notes in a meeting.

    I have also seen them used in a presentation, they are pretty impressive used this way, you can draw on the slides to direct attention to one part or another.

    It should not take that much to get Linux up on one of the devices, but making the result work well is likely to be a lot of work.

    Another issue that is somewhat odd is that there does not appear to be an IBM tablet PC yet. Somewhat odd when you consider that IBM has been plugging this idea as assiduously as Gates.

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  14. A few datasheets ... by MarcQ · · Score: 5, Informative
    ... in case you are as ignorant as I was about available Tablet PCs.
  15. Re:Dirty Fingers... by AzrealAO · · Score: 5, Informative

    The LCD's on TabletPC's are all covered with tempered glass. So you're not pressing down on the LCD Matrix at all. The Pen's are EMR Pens, like a Wacom Tablet, and the act of pressing down on the glass causes the stylus tip to press up into the pen itself. As for fingerprints, of course that's an issue. The Acer came with a nice microfibre, lint free cloth to wipe the screen with, and to be honest, it doesn't really get that bad.

  16. Re:Question... by EvanED · · Score: 5, Insightful

    >>What student would buy this instead of a PowerBook G4?

    Maybe because it's a tablet PC. I'm not sure about you, but I couldn't type notes. I need to write them. Which means that the G4's out.

    >>the tablet PC is $2,000 more than anybody would ever pay for it.

    Of course, I could have said the same thing about ENIAC: it was $450,000 more than anyone would pay. And I'd be wrong. Because there were people (the gov't) who built it. There are people who will buy the tablet PC because there's nothing else like it on the market, at least that I'm aware of. And the people who can afford it will spur development of more models that won't be expensive.

  17. Re:It's called paper. by EvanED · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If I have five notebooks full of notes, can I pull up an application that will search through them in a minute or two to find a particular fact that you want?

  18. Wha!? A *Tablet* PC? by mtec · · Score: 5, Funny


    There's no way I could swallow one of those!

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  19. Re:Question... by brunes69 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why the hell couldn't you type notes? Even a very crappy touch typist (like 50-60 WPM) can type much faster than you can write or print. Typing for an hour is also alot easier on your hand than writing with a pen for an hour.

  20. Re:Question... by EvanED · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If you saw my notes you'd see. I draw arrows to related stuff, to reorganize, etc.; draw pictures and stuff like mathematical symbols (let's see you type an integral or parital derivative faster than I can write one) and the like.

  21. Re:Question... by DuSTman31 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The thing about prices is that they change.

    The primary market for these things seems to be for people who need to be able to record scribbles in a lecture or meeting. This is probably not a concept that needs huge amounts of computing power. People's buying decision will probably me made not on computing power, but mainly on price.

    The main consequence of this is that the prices of the most popular models will go down with competition, not up with increased specs.

    I agree it's not the sort of thing one would choose as a main machine, but as a second device for specific tasks, and that £2000 may be a bit much for a machine for this role, but the price they'll be in two years time probably won't be.