that still doesn't address the point that people feel it is ok to download and share these songs as "payback" to the RIAA.
also, it is my understanding that if someone takes me to court for something i'm "innocent" of, and they lose it is entirely possible for me to get my lawyer fees "reimbursed" or counter-sue for the loss of money.
i'm not disputing the fact that the money involved is appropriate. what i'm saying is that NONE OF THESE PEOPLE ARE INNOCENT.
except for the relative handful of people in this world, most of the posting here is done by peeps who have read the (usually biased) news articles and joined the mob against the RIAA. thats fine, you are entitled to however ignorant you may or may not be.
the thing that bothers me most is that a lot of people here seem to think that this justifies downloading music they didn't pay for. understand something here. this is not a service established by those who hold rights to the music. it is not OK!!!
take your stand, hate the RIAA, but have some common sense.
one last point... maybe the RIAA is "bullying" people into settling, but i haven't seen a case go to court yet and that says a lot. innocent people don't like to settle, and i don't believe that the only people being sued are those that live in public housing.
get a clue. like it or not, they are right.
"Contracts that restrict resale aren't allowed for mass-marketed goods like books you buy in a store. The Supreme Court said so a long time ago. It's always been assumed the same applies to CDs."
but the supreme court hasn't ruled on this issue specifically so, and with all the news this is generating it isn't out of bounds to think that they will have to. also these aren't material CDs. i'm thinking that the laws are simply going to have to change for digital content.
has anyone read it? you know, its the one you agree to when you first decide to shop the itunes store.
personally i have not, but i wonder if this is "handled" by the contract you agree to. you go in knowing about the ownership and trasferring it to other computers, etc. since you know and agree to this, isn't this argument silly?
all the comments are people saying that you can do this with cds, books, etc but you dont have an agreement like this so i dont think you can apply the same logic.
"Lamo hacked into the website of The New York Times in February 2002 and took the Social Security numbers of several people. He then added his name to the list of contributors to The New York Times and notified the paper of what he'd done."
kind of like this....
middle-aged man #1 (Lamo) - "hey, i screwed your 16 year old daughter. i took her virginity, but i have to tell you she wasn't very good."
Lamo expected this... middle-aged man #2 (NYT) - "oh hey thanks! i'll get her some literature and make sure she's up to speed!"
But instead he got punched in the face and sent (pending) to jail.
do you really think he had the "good" in mind? "i'll just take a few socials cuz thats harmless." what a putz.
because piracy is a huge huge deal in foreign countries more so than the US, where they have better grasp of the law. i also have to believe that it is easier for them to make claims against the law here in the US vs other countries.
and if you believe that people are only sharing a few songs you are sorely mistaken. walk through a college dorm sometime. hear that music? not from a cd. ever.
so you have problems getting important stuff done in time alotted. no health problems. college student. i've got it!
quit crying! use this thing called willpower. its kind of like a diet. it wont work unless you dedicate yourself to it. same thing. make yourself do it. quit cheating. and dont bore people with your lack of willpower.
yes there are lots of non geeks who play video games. but all the people who i know who are "gamers" do spend their days in dimly lit rooms, not showering, and eating crap all day.
the non geeks play gran turismo for an hour or so while chilling with a few friends on a lazy day. don't deny the existance of geeky gamers. they created the stereotype because of the truth.
because!!! if you remember in t2, towards the end, arnys arm gets torn off by some machine and left behind. of course they dont go into this in t3, but fact is he left something behind and no one thought about it.
please. have you even seen the movie? you and everyone like you jump to these conclusions. he gets beamed back from time and yes, she arrived nude. but she is crouched down and her hair covers her breasts. the only "nudity" you see is her naked butt.
on the other hand, arny arrives in much the same way (as he did in the first 2) and gets much more ogling from characters in the film. thats all for nudity.
do you believe that one has the "right" to download music via whatever means (filesharing, etc.) regardless of whether or not said person owns the music?
i get the feeling that 90% of the posts on slashdot are using the excuse of "bad record companies" to justify the downloading of music.
i personally know that file sharing is wrong (whether i do it is my own business), but i hate the justification of "screw the record execs!"
>Murder is a ridiculous comparison. Murder requires >premeditation, physical contact, and a clear knowledge of >the implications of one's acts. Hardly on a par with >listening to a couple of bootlegged MP3s, friend.
this may be too easy. bootlegging music requires premeditation, physically acquiring the music, and at this stage of the game, everyone knows it is illegal.
fact is, murder and bootlegging are clearly analogous based on what you have said.
and by the way, there are several "degrees" of murder and these 3 criterions you state are what differentiate them.
am i the only one that thinks it is odd that all the recent apple news is ripped right off the typical mac rumor sites?
i didnt know slashdot was breaking in to the apple rumor market. i mean i know there are a fair number of rumors in other sections of slashdot too, but lets face it, anyone interested in mac rumors went to those mac rumor sites long before they were posted here.
ok, maybe i'm being silly but the "beauty" of portage is that you compile it from source. it seems to me that with the limited number of varying mac processors out there that it would be a much better deal if the mac portage would just install a binary that was precompiled for your particular processor.
for you apple folk who dont know this, it can take hours upon hours to compile certain packages from source. now this is usually only larger things like kde and gnome, but there are a number of larger ones as well that suck to compile. but to date, thats what portage sells to people. "compile it from source!" "its better that way!"
anyway, gentoo is cool and all, but its very much becoming the overwhelming cult distro of the linux world. i hope mac users know what they are getting into with this one.
i've got os x running on a g3/400 and i'll admit its not snappy, but it doesnt lag to the point of frustration either. it works and it doesnt seem to be a pain to me.
i just had to get my 2 cents out there because EVERYONE says you need an g6/5000 to run aqua smoothly. i dont agree.
a laptop computer. it sucks to spend hour upon hour looking at your dorm wall when writing paper, programs, or whatever. trust me on this. get a laptop.
for gaming get a console. your friends dont want to huddle around your computer screen anyway and lets face it. you wont make loads of friends sitting in front of a computer anyway.
for notes go with pen/pencil and paper. if you honestly think someone wants to hear you pecking away on a keyboard during class you are sorely mistaken. only on those rare instances where laptops are invites should you use them.
a palm/pocketpc is useless unless you are a club nut. i know people like this who have so many meetings that they need something like that to keep them organized. but at the same time, a roomy personal calendar will work too.
oh, and please turn off or mute your damn cell phones when you go to class! i plan on getting my phd someday and if your cell phone goes off in my class you can be damned sure its going to hurt!
ahh yes, the philisophical retort. there are of course, flaws with every argument so here are the ones i see here....
to "research" the effects of a technology that is not even beyond a persons imagination makes very little sense.
odds are good, that AI as a being will not be around so long as we are still using the same technology for hardware. the processing speed and memory capacity of a brain is well beyond the physical limits of the current tech. and to attempt to compare the "methods" used by our brains to any simulation (emulation?) on a computer is ridiculous.
for teh next 20 years, we'll work on making a computer "understand" text. then maybe one that can see. you may want to check out how long they'be been working on getting a robot just to drive a car and how far they've gotten. but after all that is done, there still comes the issue of a robot that is an actual entity.
good luck. your childrens' children will be long dead before that comes around.
you should know better than to ask a bunch of software people if their industry is dead. especially this group! slashdotters are notoriously nose-in-the-air about what they do and what they like.
clue in man! you never as the king if he's doing a good job if you want the real answer.
it may just be me, but it seems that this was thrown in intentionally by a code monkey, probably for error checking. so chill out. or better yet, make sites that take advantage of it!
i dont know about you, but i get pretty pissed at those sites that require certain browsers, plugins, etc. this is your chance to make the windows world use something *better* (mozilla, phoenix, etc).
web developers unite!
at first i thought, hey this is kinda neat. but then it hit me. i currently do a large chunk of my computing in an environment that is mostly made up of thin-clients. basically everything is then run off the servers. well all is fine except when there are a lot of people trying to run mozilla or something else resource hungry. thats when the server slows to a crawl and any computationally intensive project sucks at life.
my point: the organizations that run this better have damn good servers.
i must say i find it interesting that the only debated point from my statement is on the use of the term theft.
i think people should also be able to make copies of music they own. but i wouldnt say its a right we have. just because its currently available doesnt mean we are entitled to it. the record industry is free to do as they choose with this one.
i have always had this beef too. i just installed mandrake 9.1 a couple days ago and it solved that problem. i took my laptop to work and it found the printers installed on the windows network we have. i was pumped. just a few clicks here and there and it worked first time out.
i plan on trying suse though. i've always liked it better. mandrake has always been "cartoony" in appearance.
it amazes me all the people who claim to buy the cd so they can rip the songs for their mp3 players and such. while i dont doubt this happens, these people are in the minority and i think its high time people quit bitching because the recording industries are trying to prevent theft.
it may not be perfect, but they are trying. and all the comments about needing to make a backup copy? you dont get to make a backup copy of your car when you buy it. this is no different. sometimes you can. most times you cant. get over it.
90% of the comments here seem to be missing the point. i think the main idea here is to punish people for what is essentially theft. oh yeah, spout your riaa crap about how they are evil blah blah blah. thats not the point. fact is you are still stealing regardless of how you feel about you are stealing from.
my personal opinion of the matter is that everyone is upset with this idea because they are teh targets now. not everyone. but most.
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that still doesn't address the point that people feel it is ok to download and share these songs as "payback" to the RIAA.
also, it is my understanding that if someone takes me to court for something i'm "innocent" of, and they lose it is entirely possible for me to get my lawyer fees "reimbursed" or counter-sue for the loss of money.
i'm not disputing the fact that the money involved is appropriate. what i'm saying is that NONE OF THESE PEOPLE ARE INNOCENT.
except for the relative handful of people in this world, most of the posting here is done by peeps who have read the (usually biased) news articles and joined the mob against the RIAA. thats fine, you are entitled to however ignorant you may or may not be. the thing that bothers me most is that a lot of people here seem to think that this justifies downloading music they didn't pay for. understand something here. this is not a service established by those who hold rights to the music. it is not OK!!! take your stand, hate the RIAA, but have some common sense. one last point... maybe the RIAA is "bullying" people into settling, but i haven't seen a case go to court yet and that says a lot. innocent people don't like to settle, and i don't believe that the only people being sued are those that live in public housing. get a clue. like it or not, they are right.
"Contracts that restrict resale aren't allowed for mass-marketed goods like books you buy in a store. The Supreme Court said so a long time ago. It's always been assumed the same applies to CDs."
but the supreme court hasn't ruled on this issue specifically so, and with all the news this is generating it isn't out of bounds to think that they will have to. also these aren't material CDs. i'm thinking that the laws are simply going to have to change for digital content.
has anyone read it? you know, its the one you agree to when you first decide to shop the itunes store.
personally i have not, but i wonder if this is "handled" by the contract you agree to. you go in knowing about the ownership and trasferring it to other computers, etc. since you know and agree to this, isn't this argument silly?
all the comments are people saying that you can do this with cds, books, etc but you dont have an agreement like this so i dont think you can apply the same logic.
just my 2 cents
from the techtv site...
"Lamo hacked into the website of The New York Times in February 2002 and took the Social Security numbers of several people. He then added his name to the list of contributors to The New York Times and notified the paper of what he'd done."
kind of like this....
middle-aged man #1 (Lamo) - "hey, i screwed your 16 year old daughter. i took her virginity, but i have to tell you she wasn't very good."
Lamo expected this...
middle-aged man #2 (NYT) - "oh hey thanks! i'll get her some literature and make sure she's up to speed!"
But instead he got punched in the face and sent (pending) to jail.
do you really think he had the "good" in mind? "i'll just take a few socials cuz thats harmless." what a putz.
because piracy is a huge huge deal in foreign countries more so than the US, where they have better grasp of the law. i also have to believe that it is easier for them to make claims against the law here in the US vs other countries.
and if you believe that people are only sharing a few songs you are sorely mistaken. walk through a college dorm sometime. hear that music? not from a cd. ever.
so you have problems getting important stuff done in time alotted. no health problems. college student. i've got it!
quit crying! use this thing called willpower. its kind of like a diet. it wont work unless you dedicate yourself to it. same thing. make yourself do it. quit cheating. and dont bore people with your lack of willpower.
bullcaca!
yes there are lots of non geeks who play video games. but all the people who i know who are "gamers" do spend their days in dimly lit rooms, not showering, and eating crap all day.
the non geeks play gran turismo for an hour or so while chilling with a few friends on a lazy day. don't deny the existance of geeky gamers. they created the stereotype because of the truth.
because!!! if you remember in t2, towards the end, arnys arm gets torn off by some machine and left behind. of course they dont go into this in t3, but fact is he left something behind and no one thought about it.
please. have you even seen the movie? you and everyone like you jump to these conclusions. he gets beamed back from time and yes, she arrived nude. but she is crouched down and her hair covers her breasts. the only "nudity" you see is her naked butt.
on the other hand, arny arrives in much the same way (as he did in the first 2) and gets much more ogling from characters in the film. thats all for nudity.
grow up.
thanks, but i have a question for you now.
do you believe that one has the "right" to download music via whatever means (filesharing, etc.) regardless of whether or not said person owns the music?
i get the feeling that 90% of the posts on slashdot are using the excuse of "bad record companies" to justify the downloading of music.
i personally know that file sharing is wrong (whether i do it is my own business), but i hate the justification of "screw the record execs!"
>Murder is a ridiculous comparison. Murder requires
>premeditation, physical contact, and a clear knowledge of
>the implications of one's acts. Hardly on a par with
>listening to a couple of bootlegged MP3s, friend.
this may be too easy. bootlegging music requires premeditation, physically acquiring the music, and at this stage of the game, everyone knows it is illegal.
fact is, murder and bootlegging are clearly analogous based on what you have said.
and by the way, there are several "degrees" of murder and these 3 criterions you state are what differentiate them.
am i the only one that thinks it is odd that all the recent apple news is ripped right off the typical mac rumor sites?
i didnt know slashdot was breaking in to the apple rumor market. i mean i know there are a fair number of rumors in other sections of slashdot too, but lets face it, anyone interested in mac rumors went to those mac rumor sites long before they were posted here.
go team!
ok, maybe i'm being silly but the "beauty" of portage is that you compile it from source. it seems to me that with the limited number of varying mac processors out there that it would be a much better deal if the mac portage would just install a binary that was precompiled for your particular processor. for you apple folk who dont know this, it can take hours upon hours to compile certain packages from source. now this is usually only larger things like kde and gnome, but there are a number of larger ones as well that suck to compile. but to date, thats what portage sells to people. "compile it from source!" "its better that way!" anyway, gentoo is cool and all, but its very much becoming the overwhelming cult distro of the linux world. i hope mac users know what they are getting into with this one.
actually, iPortage is a gui version. portage in its "normal" form is very much command line.
rubbish!
i've got os x running on a g3/400 and i'll admit its not snappy, but it doesnt lag to the point of frustration either. it works and it doesnt seem to be a pain to me.
i just had to get my 2 cents out there because EVERYONE says you need an g6/5000 to run aqua smoothly. i dont agree.
a laptop computer. it sucks to spend hour upon hour looking at your dorm wall when writing paper, programs, or whatever. trust me on this. get a laptop.
for gaming get a console. your friends dont want to huddle around your computer screen anyway and lets face it. you wont make loads of friends sitting in front of a computer anyway.
for notes go with pen/pencil and paper. if you honestly think someone wants to hear you pecking away on a keyboard during class you are sorely mistaken. only on those rare instances where laptops are invites should you use them.
a palm/pocketpc is useless unless you are a club nut. i know people like this who have so many meetings that they need something like that to keep them organized. but at the same time, a roomy personal calendar will work too.
oh, and please turn off or mute your damn cell phones when you go to class! i plan on getting my phd someday and if your cell phone goes off in my class you can be damned sure its going to hurt!
ahh yes, the philisophical retort. there are of course, flaws with every argument so here are the ones i see here....
to "research" the effects of a technology that is not even beyond a persons imagination makes very little sense.
odds are good, that AI as a being will not be around so long as we are still using the same technology for hardware. the processing speed and memory capacity of a brain is well beyond the physical limits of the current tech. and to attempt to compare the "methods" used by our brains to any simulation (emulation?) on a computer is ridiculous.
for teh next 20 years, we'll work on making a computer "understand" text. then maybe one that can see. you may want to check out how long they'be been working on getting a robot just to drive a car and how far they've gotten. but after all that is done, there still comes the issue of a robot that is an actual entity.
good luck. your childrens' children will be long dead before that comes around.
you should know better than to ask a bunch of software people if their industry is dead. especially this group! slashdotters are notoriously nose-in-the-air about what they do and what they like.
clue in man! you never as the king if he's doing a good job if you want the real answer.
it may just be me, but it seems that this was thrown in intentionally by a code monkey, probably for error checking. so chill out. or better yet, make sites that take advantage of it! i dont know about you, but i get pretty pissed at those sites that require certain browsers, plugins, etc. this is your chance to make the windows world use something *better* (mozilla, phoenix, etc). web developers unite!
at first i thought, hey this is kinda neat. but then it hit me. i currently do a large chunk of my computing in an environment that is mostly made up of thin-clients. basically everything is then run off the servers. well all is fine except when there are a lot of people trying to run mozilla or something else resource hungry. thats when the server slows to a crawl and any computationally intensive project sucks at life. my point: the organizations that run this better have damn good servers.
i must say i find it interesting that the only debated point from my statement is on the use of the term theft. i think people should also be able to make copies of music they own. but i wouldnt say its a right we have. just because its currently available doesnt mean we are entitled to it. the record industry is free to do as they choose with this one.
i have always had this beef too. i just installed mandrake 9.1 a couple days ago and it solved that problem. i took my laptop to work and it found the printers installed on the windows network we have. i was pumped. just a few clicks here and there and it worked first time out.
i plan on trying suse though. i've always liked it better. mandrake has always been "cartoony" in appearance.
it amazes me all the people who claim to buy the cd so they can rip the songs for their mp3 players and such. while i dont doubt this happens, these people are in the minority and i think its high time people quit bitching because the recording industries are trying to prevent theft. it may not be perfect, but they are trying. and all the comments about needing to make a backup copy? you dont get to make a backup copy of your car when you buy it. this is no different. sometimes you can. most times you cant. get over it.
90% of the comments here seem to be missing the point. i think the main idea here is to punish people for what is essentially theft. oh yeah, spout your riaa crap about how they are evil blah blah blah. thats not the point. fact is you are still stealing regardless of how you feel about you are stealing from.
my personal opinion of the matter is that everyone is upset with this idea because they are teh targets now. not everyone. but most.