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1.0GHz P3 In A CD-ROM Drive Bay

Migraine Man writes "Similar to the PPC-based Briq, the folks at Stealth Computer have introduced an Intel-based PC that's built into a 5.25" CD-ROM-sized enclosure. It's got a 1.0GHz P3, 256M RAM, 20G HD, 10/100 eth, CD-ROM, USB, FireWire, video, and sound. At USD 995, it's reasonably priced too. You could put three of 'em on a 1U rackmount shelf, or stuff several into a mid-tower and build your own desktop cluster. A summary datasheet is here. Very cool."

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  1. couldn't you do a via eden for $? by draziw · · Score: 5, Informative

    Something like a VIA EPIA EM 6000, for way way less $. (eg: under half the cost). And you would have a system that is Mini-ITX Form Factor, Micro ATX Chassis Compliant. - Not a custom hard to fix type system.

  2. Servers by MattCohn.com · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I totaly agree, I think those are very cool. Especialy for servers. Imagine having a stack of 10 dedicated servers you were leasing out in a neat little stack. Only question is... upgradeability? Are these going to be disposable computers, or will one be able to replace parts inside? (CPU/RAM/HD...)

    1. Re:Servers by Golias · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you were worried about keeping up with hardware advancement via upgradability, you would not be buying a 1 GHz P-III computer right now, woudja?

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  3. Heat dissipation? by JessLeah · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What happens if you shove four of these in four consecutive (vertically) 5.25" drive bays? Would they overheat? That might limit the usefulness if you had to space them out... you'd have to buy twice as big a case as physically needed. Maybe if you alternated... P3, coolerunit, P3, coolerunit, P3.... ;)

    1. Re:Heat dissipation? by Hadlock · · Score: 3, Interesting

      yeah in theroy you could underclock a 2.4 ghz to maybe 1.4 ghz or so, at which point you could probably passively cool it. intel still makes p3's though, for applications such as this, and as a result the 1ghz p3's of today run alot cooer than they did a year ago.

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  4. Wait.... by dirkdidit · · Score: 5, Funny

    So techincally I could put these in the open 5 1/4" bays in my desktop? And have a self contained beowulf cluster? And enough heat to make the sun seem insignificant? w00t Where do I sign up???

  5. Opportunity for Humor... by Quaoar · · Score: 5, Funny

    Someone needs to buy the biggest computer case they can find...fill it with half a dozen fans, neon lights, a see-through panel, colored wiring... ...and then just slap one of these bad boys in the 5.25" bay. Hilarious!

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    1. Re:Opportunity for Humor... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'd go for the "hamster powered" look - windowed case with hamster & wheel inside, plus all the neon etc, and maybe hook the hamster wheel to a front panel RRM display to let you know how fast it's going!

    2. Re:Opportunity for Humor... by Phroggy · · Score: 5, Funny

      Get some cardboard, and cut out a piece in the shape of a standard ATX motherboard. Draw some chips on it. Cut out some cardboard PCI cards; attach them with duct or masking tape. Tape the whole thing inside the case. Draw tiny parallel lines on a long strip of paper; make it resemble an IDE ribbon. Get some string, run it around between things. And definitely, the transparent side panel is a must.

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  6. What niche by 1984 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This isn't a troll, but what exactly is the niche? For not a lot more size, but less money, you could have a shoebox PC like a Shuttle SS40. For not a lot more space you could buy a laptop of the same performance, and have screen and keyboard. And you still have to plug all the wires in the back and (by the looks of it) provide top and rear venting, so you can't just pack 'em in a rack like crazy.

    So, serious question: what's the niche? They're cool, yes, but beyond that?

    1. Re:What niche by ChronosX · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Your arguments are sound. The folks at Stealth Computers Corporation appear to agree with you. They aren't going after those markets.

      The webpage the Little PC's outlines some targeted markets:
      Applications:
      Digital Signs & New Media Applications
      Kiosks & Public Access Displays
      Information Appliance
      Embedded Systems
      Process Control & Factory Automation
      Mobile Applications, trains planes & autos
      Ideal for any space constrained application

      If you're making a digital sign or a wall mounted kiosk in a mall, you could literally screw this little beast to the back of the unit (or inside) and no one would ever know it's there.

      The size does make all the difference in the world when you want the computer out of sight/out of mind and space is a luxury you don't have.

      It doesn't appear this device was ever meant for home use or a replacement for blade servers.
  7. Why the CD ROM? by melonman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wouldn't it be about 3 times smaller if it didn't have the CD ROM? Then you could plug in a USB one when you need it, or share one CD between half a dozen units, or whatever.

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    1. Re:Why the CD ROM? by Alethes · · Score: 3, Interesting

      According to the datasheet, the "Slim CD-ROM/DVD-ROM, CD-RW" is optional. I don't know if that means you have to pick one of those, however.

  8. This isn't too new of an idea =) by nekdut · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Cappucino TX-3 has had similar or even better specs for quite a while now, and its pretty similar in size:

    -Intel 815 motherboard
    -1.2 Ghz Intel Pentium III processor
    -512MB 144-pin PC133 RAM
    -30 GB internal hard drive
    -Your choice of 24x CD-ROM, 8x DVD-ROM, or 8x/8x/24x/8x DVD/CD-RW combo drive
    -Built-in 10/100 base-T ethernet (RJ45)
    -Internal 56K V.90 modem
    -Four USB ports (USB 1.1)
    -Two FireWire ports (IEEE 1394)
    -No operating system installed.
    -All standard I/O ports built-in
    -Dimensions: 6" x 5.75" x 2.25"
    -Manufacturer Warranty: 1 year

    Also, CappucinoPC have the Mocha P4 machine which is slightly bigger and has specs rivaling current fully loaded computers.

    Check out these links:

    Cappucino TX-3 at Thinkgeek
    Mocha P4 at Cappucinopc.com
    A review of what appears to be the Mocha at Tomshardware

    1. Re:This isn't too new of an idea =) by zaqattack911 · · Score: 3, Funny

      They better watch it with the coffee analogys or Sun might sue :)

  9. Slashvertisment? by I+Am+The+Owl · · Score: 5, Funny

    All you're missing are links to this product as seen on ThinkGeek.

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  10. Re:reasonably priced? by ThogScully · · Score: 5, Funny
    You can put a 286 inside a wristwatch, it doesn't make it worth 5000 USD.

    Imagine a Bluetooth beowulf cluster of these watches from the combined people walking around Times Square at any given moment.
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  11. One for my car, please by whterbt · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This would be a great thing to install in your dashboard. You could have a self-contained computer that works as a GPS moving map (connect the GPS antenna to the USB port), CD/DVD player, MP3 player, game system, wireless internet, and so forth. You'd just need to pick up an LCD screen to go with it.

    Not that I'm advocating people typing email messages or playing UT while driving -- they're distracted enough as it is. But this would be great for the passengers, especially on road trips!

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    1. Re:One for my car, please by ThogScully · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I agree - my car is definitely a place I'd see a great deal of usage from a computer. Certainly, there are going to be stupid people who can't drive well enough to begin with browsing the web while driving if this becomes popular, but you can never avoid stupid people doing the stupidest things.

      While browsing the web while driving may be a bad idea, the multimedia possibilities for this are great.
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    2. Re:One for my car, please by merlin_jim · · Score: 3, Interesting

      When the Eden first came out, that's EXACTLY what I did.

      EPIA 800 MHz. 5.6" LCD screen (TV resolution, but who cares?) 4GB IBM Travelstar. DVD Drive. GPS. MP3. Wireless/Wired network. 7" acrylic cube case. Built in mouse, infrared remote, flexible/indestructible keyboard.

      Then I drove to Peoria Illinois on July 17, and back on July 22. Anyone else who was in Peoria that weekend give me a shout cause I got MCL. It's about a 16 hour drive for me. The passengers loved it, I loved it. Never bored.

      The only thing I've used it for since is to show some friends some music videos I downloaded off the net at concerts.

      Now, I don't consider it exactly wasted because the computer itself is portable, and very convenient as a portable DVD player as well as computing device. And the LCD is mostly portable. One bolt and it's out of the car. And I've got a tripod I can screw it onto, and a 12V power supply. Since I do digital mixing live for parties, it's been a great help. No more dragging around a huge monitor everywhere.

      Point being, it hasn't been used in my car except on a roadtrip. The week after I built it when I was still all excited about it. There are two primary issues:

      1. It's not permanently wired. It takes some work to wire it in. And I don't always have the time to wire it in when I bring it out from my house or a gig or a friend's house or whatever. I plan on fixing that with a cradle. I only use about 20 wires when it's in the car (mouse+keyboard+gps = 5-wire USB port, video = 2-wire RCA, audio out = 3-wire stereo headphone jack, infrared = 9-wire RS232, power = 2-wire DC), and I'm basically just gonna hook all those up to a centronics connector and that should solve that problem.

      2. Usability. It's not incredibly useable. First off, it's not instant on which is a problem. I can mostly fix that, but not all the way. The user input isn't unified. You use a combination of mouse and IR remote commands to control everything. The main problem there is I have a few different pieces of software. Hopefully Windows Media Player 9 will get slightly better support for DVD and I can use that. Then all I gotta do is get a better remote. My IR software is learning, so it works with any remote. I just gotta get one with all the buttons I need. Easier said than done, and if you're a computer or remote control manufacturer and you want my advice, feel free to contact me with regard to this. The short is I'm gonna ditch the Windows Explorer interface and use Windows Media Player as the primary interface to interact with the computer, and wire that up to be controlled in toto by a remote control.

      So, if you're planning on building a car computer make sure that those two issues are covered. BTW, a keyboard on the dash doesn't work so don't even think about it. My only other advice is install a seperate lighter socket for it if you're gonna power it off that and not permanently wire it in. Whether you wire it in or not, put in a relay. You want that power off when the car is off. Even in standby mode (computer Instant-Off, LCD in standby) it sucks down a battery in a couple hours without the alternator on. Hard drives are cheap. Car batteries/electrical systems are not. Plus, your car will run without a hard drive. It won't run without a battery.

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  12. barebones version by narada · · Score: 5, Informative

    You can get the barebones version of this computer from caseoutlet (http://www.caseoutlet.com/NWPc/Sumi/Sumi.html) for significantly less (about $330 to be specific). it you put a via c3, which can be passively cooled, you have a ultra small, super silent puter. of course, you'd probably be better off getting one of the new via epia m mother boards and putting it in a custom case; it end up being about the same size, cost less, and offer more (usb 2.0, tv out, etc).

  13. Re:reasonably priced? by beckett · · Score: 5, Interesting

    miniaturization does carry a price, and people do pay more for small computers. This article illustrates the differences between the market that asks for speed, compared to the market that asks for good design.

    this computer is not powerful at all, but how much power would someone need for office chores? this is perfect for the office environment. good for anything that can't have a large bulky computer case lying around.

    I think it's laudable that mfgs. build different designs, especially smaller designs. i think that computers would be way more useful if they were designed for the purpose in mind, rather than simply cramming a hot running processor into the cheapest, ugliest box and calling it a "gaming machine". once people start thinking of computers like appliances rather than "OMG 3ghz box!" then we'll see a dramatic change in the way people use computers.

    Gradually, we'll see people become less concerned about raw speed and more at making computers actually fit your lifestyle, rather than the other way around.

  14. Perfect HTPC! by essell · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When I saw the pictures of this tiny little unit, I thought one thing: HTPC (That's Home Theater PC).

    It would be especially nice to fit these units with a DVD-Rom to make a compact home-brew DVD/PVR/Photo/Video Jukebox. Especially considering your video input options for the PVR portion: DV/Firewire, USB capture device... whatever.

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  15. Re:power source? by Migraineman · · Score: 3, Informative

    The power input is a barrel jack, and you'd need an adapter if you wanted to put it inside a regular PC chassis. It's clearly not really intended for this application. They also spec the power requirement at 12V*5A=60W. That's not a ton of power, but you'd only be able to put two in a typical PC without overcurrenting the 12V rail. On the other hand, it'll run off the accessory plug in your car without blowing the fuse (or needing a pesky inverter.)

  16. Re:hmmmm by Trusty+Penfold · · Score: 3, Informative

    1414 C

  17. TV inn/out? by PsychoKiller · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This doesn't have TV out, which would be nice for making a PVR box. Are there any USB TV in/out adapters (supported in Linux, natch) that could be used with this thing?

  18. Re:Huh? by Catbeller · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's the slim slot running along the top of the faceplate, methinks.

    This is truly cool. Car use? You can pop it out when you park and put it in your backpack. Take it home, network it to your main box and load up them MP3s and Divx files.

    It wouldn't take much to hook up a teensy LCD screen to this. Fold out a mini keyboard from the bottom of the unit, flip up the screen from the top, and you have a nano PC.

  19. Nice but.. by grub · · Score: 5, Insightful


    As nice as these small units are, I'd like to see some wee machines built that stick in dual processors and a couple of 10/100/1000 NICs. No fancy 3D video, no firewire. Just beef to cluster together.

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  20. Re:In the COP car? by turtleshadow · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Ahem, apparently the company already has an idea of where these ought to go.
    "Stealth Computer Corporation is an ISO9001 Canadian owned and operated company with its headquarters in Woodbridge Ontario. Stealth continually develops innovative products designed to meet the exact needs of their clients. For over a decade Stealth products have been used in industrial, commercial, scientific, Government and military applications. Stealth enjoys an impressive customer list of Fortune 500's, Governments and Military's worldwide."
    Coming soon, to a law enforcment vehicle near you, the onboard highpower neato small computer which will make the time pass quickly as Officers of the Peace run your license plates, determine your horoscope sign and find out who was your Den Mother in cubscouts.

    Really nice tech; if mixed with GPS and GIS and a few other things you could have realtime tracking of where all the squad cars are located.
  21. Re:USD 995 by ari_j · · Score: 3, Funny

    How about the following:

    US Dollars --> $
    Canadian Dollars --> 2/3$
    Australian Dollars --> 1/$

  22. Re:Additional Network Ports by grub · · Score: 3, Informative

    Hm, that's interesting but as a node in a mosix or beowulf cluster one doesn't need audio, firewire, usb or 3d video (I'd go another step and say "drop all onboard video and use a console port") Once all that extra real estate is freed up, another CPU might fit in well without all the costs associated with the extraneous crud I mention above.
    Not that I don't think firewire etc is nice, I do, but on a cluster its just more circuits to potentially fail.

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  23. Re:Humour imparied.... by coryboehne · · Score: 5, Funny

    So, let me guess, this is made by a company in

    SOVIET RUSSIA

    In Soviet Russia the computer goes into the CD-ROM....