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Andy Grove Says End Of Moore's Law At Hand

Jack William Bell writes "Intel chief Andy Grove says Moore's Law has reached its limit. Pointing to current leaks in modern chips, he says -- "Current is becoming a major factor and a limiter on how complex we can build chips," said Grove. He said the company' engineers "just can't get rid of" power leakage. -- But, of course, this only applies to semiconductor chips, there is no guarantee that some other technology will not take over and continue the march of smaller, cheaper and faster processors. I remember people saying stuff like this years ago before MOSFET." Update: 12/11 22:01 GMT by T : Correction: the text above originally mangled Andy Grove's name as "Andy Moore."

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  1. I remember... by 216pi · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...hearing this news the first time in 1989 and I read it the second time in 1994.

    So. we'll see. I wonder if it now starts applying to graphic cards.

    1. Re:I remember... by Dave2+Wickham · · Score: 4, Funny

      Don't worry; you'll hear it again on slashdot a few more times in the next couple of days.

      *ducks*

  2. 15% ! by nogoodmonkey · · Score: 5, Funny

    The industry is used to power leakage rates of up to fifteen per cent, but chips constructed of increasing numbers of transistors can suffer power leakage of up to 40 per cent said Grove.

    No wonder my laptop only gets about a hour of runtime on its battery. :-)

  3. Great! by Lagged2Death · · Score: 5, Funny

    So, this means that anything that possibly can go wrong no longer will! Hey, I'm all for that!

    What? Moore's Law? Oh. Nevermind.

  4. sure sure... by jfroot · · Score: 4, Funny

    As the submitter eluded to; this has been said so many times before that I simply don't believe it. I remember reading the same thing about 100Mhz being the fastest we could build. Technology will find away as long as people are willing to buy it. And people will be willing to buy it because we all need to run Quake 4, 5, 6 etc.

    1. Re:sure sure... by Sdrawcab · · Score: 2, Funny

      Actually, its more like a self-fulfilling prophecy.

  5. Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now I can just buy a really fast computer and know that I'll never need to upgrade again!

  6. Newton? by pa3gvr · · Score: 5, Funny

    As long as Newton's law stays in effect I am not to worried.

    BTW do most of the users really need fast machines? I can do all my work without any problems on my 333Mhz PII

    CU :-) Sjaak

    1. Re:Newton? by stratjakt · · Score: 3, Funny

      >> BTW do most of the users really need fast machines?

      Yes. Better, faster, cheaper.

      >> can do all my work without any problems on my 333Mhz PII

      And you could probably ride a horse to work, too. So what?

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  7. Shucks... by swordboy · · Score: 5, Funny

    I was waiting for the commemorative Pentium XT running at 4.77GHz.

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  8. On a related note ... by vasqzr · · Score: 3, Funny


    Intel stock goes down like 50% ...

  9. DAMN IT! by Nevermore-Spoon · · Score: 2, Funny

    I wanted to live to see 1 atom wide transistors

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  10. Re:So, back to Don Knuth's Books? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Perhaps we could write code to optimize code, then run that code through the code optimizer?

  11. Re:Moore's Law by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 4, Funny

    Oooh, so Mother Nature needs a favor?! Well maybe she should have thought of that when she was besetting us with droughts and floods and poison monkeys! Nature started the fight for survival, and now she wants to quit because she's losing. Well I say, "Hard cheese."

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  12. Moore's Law Applies to Stories Like This by MattW · · Score: 4, Funny

    The number of stories posted on Slashdot about the end of Moore's Law will double every 18 months.

  13. Re:Andy Moore? by p3d0 · · Score: 3, Funny

    You obviously weren't invited to their wedding.

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  14. Re:Great! -Murphy by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 3, Funny

    I think Silverman's Paradox applies here...

    "If Murphy's Law can go wrong, it will."

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  15. Re:"The End" by tigertigr · · Score: 5, Funny

    I predict that, henceforth, these "The End of Moore's Law" articles will double in number every 18 months or so. Eventually all the posts we see on Slashdot will be about The End of Moore's Law. Furthermore, I propose we call this new law Les's Law.

  16. Breaking the law, breaking the law... by Zildy · · Score: 4, Funny

    A law is a law...and it's time corporations were held responsible.

    I expect the Feds to start handing out stiff penalties to processor manufacturers who fail to meet the law's demands.

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  17. Re:Hmm.... by ez76 · · Score: 5, Funny
    well, a super-conductor will not be in my computer for a long time since high temp ones operate at 32k
    You underestimate the resolve of overclockers' cooling solutions.
  18. Re:Hmm.... by E_elven · · Score: 2, Funny

    Er. 32k probably referred to kelvins (hint: it's pretty cold). So the solution is to use a lot of MS software and hope the machine heats up to a boiling point :)

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  19. Re:Moors Law by stratjakt · · Score: 2, Funny

    >> I thought the Moors law had something to do with invading Spain, and then sticking around until they got kicked out in 1492...

    Nope, sorry. That was the MOOPs

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  20. Re:Yes... -- was Re:Andy Moore? by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 5, Funny


    Well, don't worry. I'm sure one of the crack Slashdot editors will just go in and fix... oh yeah.

  21. This has to be a classic quote by GroundBounce · · Score: 3, Funny

    The power is largely dissipated as heat. [emphasis added]

    Duh! Funny, I have never seen any (properly connected) microprocessor chip generating much in the way of light , sound, or X-rays. I suppose a teensy weensy amount might go off as RF emissions, but not from the DC leakage current.

  22. Re:Andy Moore? by bobdotorg · · Score: 3, Funny

    Shouldn't that be Andy Grove and Gordon Moore?


    No No No No No! It's Gordon Moore's dorky brother
    Andy Moore

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  23. Re:Yes... -- was Re:Andy Moore? by falzer · · Score: 3, Funny

    Well, the keys ARE pretty close togethor.

  24. Easy Answer by Genady · · Score: 3, Funny

    Just enclose the processor in a static warp field and adjust the speed of light in your new proto-universe. Sheesh, come on people.

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  25. Re:Yes... -- was Re:Andy Moore? by foxtrot · · Score: 3, Funny

    Well, don't worry. I'm sure one of the crack Slashdot editors will just go in and fix... oh yeah.

    Usually when folks say "crack", they mean "elite", not as a description of what they must be smoking...